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Date: 4/28/2001 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 13886
No, i still think Kids should be held responsibly. Love,  |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 27611
thumb no i dont think so im 12 and im a good student im in 7th grade and have not had a detention all year i know dumb and stupid screwed up kids and i know their parents and most of them are jerks but there are some that are perfectly fine parents so i dont think that was fair punish the kid instead. sportsfan  |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 27623
No, however I do feel that in some instances, parents are somewhat responsible for how their children act. I don't think that you should have to spend time in jail for something as silly as your child skipping school. I mean, i'm not saying it's ok to skip school, but there are worse things going on out there that need more attention than skipping school. Love, Curious79  |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
No, that's rediculous! I could see the possibility if a parent allowed their child to skip school or even encouraged them to, but the defense in any other case is that of not knowing it was going on...once your kid leaves for school, you have the right to assume he is going to school, unless there are indications otherwise. As a lawyer, I would be interested in knowing the law you were convicted under, as well as what jurisdiction you live in.<glock>  |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
depends on what the kid is doing while they skip school.....  |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
I don't see how putting the parents in jail helps the kid. Maybe the parents should be fined, but no way should they go to jail over it...Dark Phoenix  |
| Date: 4/28/2001 5:04:00 PM (Tyler): very VERY harsh, no WAY should that have happened - its not you that did the crime - Why not put all the police in jail whenever they let someone break the law? |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 25627
Hi there Glock! You being a lawyer just may be the answer to my prayers! I was convicted and fined for "Thwarting compulsory attendance" and my son's charge was "Failure to attend school" All together the fines totalled 875.00 and due to my inability to pay within the 30 days alloted I was arrested and put in jail until my family came up with the money. I was not bondable. My paperwork has the words Capius Onium (or something like that) and because of that the entire balance had to be paid before I was released. I live in San Antonio Tx. I sure would like your insight into all of this. Love and peace.....Thumb  |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 25627
Dewdrop...my son skipped one class a total of 28 times. He couldn't stand his agriculture class because of the blood involved in cutting the animals ears. They wouldn't let him out of the class...so he decided not to go. I do not in any way support his choice, but I had no way of knowing this was going on until the school contacted me. His attendance has been 100% since I found out about it. Love ya....Thumb |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
well I meant like not what the class is doing when they skip school I meant what the kid is doing when their busy skipping school....like (Just an example mind you) going out and robbing a store or harrassing a old lady, to just going to the mall and buying a new outfit.... |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 32806
No. I hopped school but my parents were not to blame they did not know for quite a while. Even if the parents know and encourage it I don't agree that it should be a prisonable offence. Prison should be for people who are violent or likely to hurt someone else. If you are poor the system seems very eager to put you in prison for it.Not having lots of money is not a crime. I think it is terrible that happened.  Sagi10  |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
First of all, how did you "thwart" compulsory attendance. The onus is on the law to prove that you took an active role in this. Just the fact that your kid didn't go to school lies the fault with him, and no one else. Your defense, like I said, is not knowing that he/she didn't attend school. And of course, if you had known of this, you would have made sure that the kid attended school, realizing that "attendance" is "cumpulsory", right? It must be proven also that you had intent in your mind (mens rea) to "thwart". Now, to thwart something, you must take a very active role: if the kid wanted to go to school, and you told him/her there was no way they were going, you would be actively thwarting their attempt to go to school. However, ensure that the law carries no deeming provision, such as "Parents whose children do not attend school shall be deemed to have thwarted their cumpulsory attendance"--with a deeming provision, the law tells you that you are guilty if a circumstance occurs (the end result, i.e., the child not attending school), whether you knew it was going on or not. As to "Capius Onium", I have never heard the term, but it could be something like 'order to pay in full' or something. I'll look around to see what it means; please double-check the spelling for me. As to what you should do next, because of the rationale in the foregoing, I would appeal. That'll be $200, please...LOL...<glock> |
| Date: 4/28/2001 5:27:00 PM From Authorid: 15046 I feel that the kids are the ones who should be punished. There are times when the parents do not have time to drop their kids off at school. They trust their kids to go to school on their own. |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:27:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 25627
Glock...rofl...200.00?? You can't draw blood from a turnip sweetie!! Honestly though, thanks so much for your advice. I will look into the details of the law and read all the small print to see if in fact they had the right to take the action they chose. Thanks again! Love and peace.....Thumb |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 25627
I guess you can all tell how I feel about the subject..lol I was just wondering if someone might have a different view than my own so that I might be able to better understand the situation. Thanks all!! Love and peace....Thumb |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
Well, you could look at the small print, but your best bet is to look up the law you were charged under...it must have a section number or be part of a code or act...and since I know you likely don't have a Texas Criminal Code on hand, you likely can find it online...<glock> |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 9713
It depends how old the kid is. If its someone young, and the parent knows, then yes they should be held responsible. If the kid is old enough to make his own decisions, then the child should go to juvi or something for a day.  |
| Date: 4/28/2001 5:32:00 PM From Authorid: 26717 HECK NO! If your kids do something wrong, then they should be punished, not you! Why don't they have truant officers like they used to? We don't teach our children anything if we don't make them responsible for their own actions! CORA |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 16612
I don't think parents should have to serve jailtime for their kids being truant.Some kids are out of control, and the parents can't really do much about it.The kids are the ones who need to recieve the consequence.  |
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Date: 4/28/2001 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 32789
absolutely not!! these are the kinds of things i wish everyone would get p.o.'d about! what are we doing? allowing complete strangers to run our lives for us. how far is it gonna go before people see this for what it really is? other men are not our lords and masters. wake up before it is too late. i really feel for you for having to go through a thing like this. there is something wrong with public schools look around everyone! meru |
Date: 4/28/2001 5:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Abosolutly not!! By sending the parent to jail for the childs crime, the law is almost giving the kids free rain to do as they please...Why should they worry about the consequences? Mom or Dad will do the time for them....I read your first post about being in jail, and I told you then I felt for you..and I still do..I hope your son is feeling totally guilty right now...you poor dear....xoxo Ladyluck  |
Date: 4/28/2001 6:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 30747
If that were the case, with the kids I've got, I probubly won't see day light until the year 2012. *smiles* Maybe in extreme cases I could see the parents being held responsible. Like if the child was repeatedly skipping classes and the parents were adviced to do something about it. But I also think the school system should take some responsibility once the child enters school grounds. A parent can't be in two places at one time nor can we follow our children around all day. Aunt Be  |
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Date: 4/28/2001 6:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
Well, actually, I'm sure if you look at the law, the school is responsible for the children once they are on the schoolgrounds, and this even extends to other areas off the schoolgrounds, such as on school buses, or on field trips. Now, just FORCE THEM to take the responsibility all the time, not just when they feel like it. As far as I know, in most jurisdiction, the teacher stands in locus parenti to the children in the class (locus parenti=in place of the parents)...<glock> |
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Date: 4/28/2001 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 27912
No, because school is where the kids are to learn to be responsible for themselves. ~Savannah~  |
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Date: 4/28/2001 6:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 25627
Okay...I just spent some time online looking up all the Texas law codes...and I think I have an EXCELLENT case for an appeal. My hubby is now thinking we may own the city of San Antonio...rofl...Glock, I can't thank you enough for your legal advice and point in the right direction. To everyone else...THANKS!! I was thinking that I was the only one who felt that adamently about what was going on because I was the one in the mess. You all have mentally empowered me to pursue some sort of retaliation for how I was treated. Hugs and kisses to you all.....Thumb |
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Date: 4/28/2001 6:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
Glad to hear it, Thumb! Now go for it!<glock> |
Date: 4/28/2001 6:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 4255
I think so the kid should be punished and the parent for not watching them even if you arent ever home you need to talk to your kid and make sure they can make the right decisions and skipping is not one of them  |
Date: 4/28/2001 7:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 8717
I was enraged when i first heard about this new law. There are some kids that you just can't control. Not only that but the govt. wants us to be responsible for our kids but not allow us to do it in a way we see fit. This law should be taken off the books.  |
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Date: 4/28/2001 7:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
Maybe Thumb will be responsible for doing so when she sues The Great Sovereign State of Texas...<glock> |
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Date: 4/28/2001 8:05:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 25627
Hey...I'm gonna try! You know this type of thing will continue and other mothers will have to go through what I did unless someone stands up and puts there foot down. (I can do that, size 10, big feet! lol) Seriously, I can't just wipe the dust from my feet and be thankful it's over,that would be unfair to all those who face this situation after me. I might not get the conviction overturned...but I WILL get the ball rolling so that this ludicrous practice will cease. Love and peace all....Thumb |
| Date: 4/28/2001 9:04:00 PM From Authorid: 32789 hey thumb, i like your style! thanks for caring enough for the rest of us to act. meru |
Date: 4/28/2001 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 34625
Holy crap, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard... since when is skipping school even a crime, not to mention something worth going to jail for, not to mention making the parents go to jail for them... that's just really really.... screwed up o.o  |
Date: 4/29/2001 8:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
everyone's a criminal today! Didn't you know that? Just ask the cops!  |
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Date: 4/29/2001 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
"...Just as every cop is a criminal/And all the sinners saints/(the fundamentalists will have me toasted if I finish this lyric, sorry)..."<glock> |
Date: 4/30/2001 11:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 34476
I do not think that making the parent go to jail because of something their child did is right at all. That's like grounding your child for something that your wife did. The person who needs punished would be the child, not the parent. --Paranoid--  |
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Date: 4/30/2001 4:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Lol @ Glock. I love that song |
Date: 5/14/2001 9:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 10534
NO! Parents shouldn't serve jail time for that. If anyone, it should be the kid.  |
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