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Inspired... part 4, more post-Mosaica

  Author:  17525  Category:(Debate) Created:(6/23/2001 7:57:00 PM)
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Moses is reputed to have written the Five Books in the chronological order of the inspired events, and of course, he must have written them before he died, which was months before the Israelites entered the promised land. The events of the forty years in the wilderness are supposed to have been written in the wilderness where they occurred. Yet in Numbers xv,32 it is recorded: "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that had gathered sticks on the sabbath day"; and he was brought to Moses, and "they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done with him. And Yawveh said to Moses, the man shall surely be put to death" (xv,33-36). Apparently the writer was not in the wilderness when this was written, or he would never have added that phrase to it, as everything that occurred at all was 'in the wilderness'. Ironically though, the "Law" had already (it is alleged) been declared at Sinai, "whosoever doeth any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death" (Ex. xxxi,15) so this narative is just another 'mistake of Moses'.

Joseph tells the Pharoah: "I was stolen away out of the land of the Hebrews" (Gen. xl, 15) There was no "land of the Hebrews" in the days of Joseph, nor of Moses, nor until some years later when the Hebrews more or less possessed the land of Canaan or the 'promised land' under Joshua after the death of Moses.

In Genesis xvi is the account of the capture of Lot, nephew of Abram, in a battle; Abram took a posse of 318 of his armed retainers and went to his rescue and "pursued as far as Dan" (xvi,14) Now Dan clearly did not exist in those times, nor in the time of Moses. This name of one of the tribes of Israel, descended from Abraham through his grandson Jacob, was given to the town (then called Laish) of the promised land which was captured by the tribe of Dan during the conquest (Judges xviii, 27-29) some seven hundred years after Abraham and long after the death of Moses.

In Deuteronomy iii, Moses is supposed to tell of a war which he had with the giant Og, king of Bashan, whom he conquered and killed. It is related (iii,11) that Og had an iron bedstead 16 1/2 feel long and 7 1/3 feet wide, and for proof of the whole story it says: "Is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon?"-- preserved as a relic unto those days. But Moses never saw or heard of Rabbath and he could not have known what was in its local museum, for the town was first captured and entered by the Hebrews under David (2 Sam. xii,26) some five hundred years after Moses died.

At this point, it becomes clear that the Five Books attributed to Moses were not written by him, were not written during his lifetime and in fact were likely written many centuries after the supposed events which they convey. All by a number of unknown authors who had not the slightest interest in factual history nor of credibility in the literary sense. While a man named Moses may have lived at one time in the distant past, we are still at a loss to know who wrote the Books which this most famous of men is attributed authorship.

More on the Five Books and less of Moses next. Peace,

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Date: 6/24/2001 9:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 37354    Most Biblical scholars consider The Pentateuch(the 1st five books of the Bible) to have 4 major sources; the Yahwist, Elohist, Priestly, and Deuteronomic sources. These books were compiled centuries after the death of Moses. The authors were not concerned with historical accurracy.But no one really knows where, when or who these sources came from. The proposition that the Bible is historically true as well as spiritually is a recent invention by American Protestants in the 18th Century. A very small percentage of Christians would find anything to disagree with concerning this post. Hugo
Date: 6/24/2001 9:24:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 17525    Hey Hugo. Quite my point. The "J" "E"and "P" sources are as individual as our hands. They have theor own characteristics and style. The Bible has much truth combined with some history, but usally not in conjunction with one another. I just hope more people begin to think about what it is their being taught. I'm sure some might view me as evil for posting this. I don't find the exposure of fact to be evil tho. Thanks for the reply. Peace,  
Date: 6/25/2001 12:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 11240    In my exposure to the Bible, I don't feel I was ever given the impression that it was written contemporaneously with the events being depicted. I had always thought that these were stories that were orally handed down for many years prior to being put to paper or paprys or stone or what have you. So I am understanding, now, after reading this portion of your series, that your intention here is not to discount the Bible per se, but rather the biblical scholars' account of the Bible. Yes? No? Maybe? God Bless.  
Date: 6/25/2001 8:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 37354    Since the post is consistent with the opinions of most Biblical scholars, that cannot be the reason, Deb. The next time u talk to God ask him. Hugo
Date: 6/25/2001 9:53:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 17525    Yes Deb, and thanks for the reply. My point here is to show the pious fraud of keeping the mind in ignorance. Many of these accounts were quite obviously 'written into' by later priestly individuals. In it's compilation and editing or re-writing, no concern for literary accuracy was taken. That the Bible is infallible and verily and completely true was the maxim for many hundreds of years. Howeverm nthing could be further from the truth. It contains much wisdom, yes, but, if it is to be believed as writ, then the intelligent mind would have some serious inconsistencies to address. There are hundreds of these. This is only an example of the first Five Books which are 'attributed' to Moses. Thanks again Deb. Peace,  
Date: 6/26/2001 1:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 37354    If you really want some to think you are evil try posting "The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus" by Hayyim ben Yehoshua. Just do a search under the title, do not remember the address. Hugo
Date: 6/27/2001 10:19:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 17525    Ohhhh Hugo my friend, you have no idea the things I've read. ;-) the non-historicity theory, the post crucifixion literature, the travels in foreign lands, the Edgar Cayce writings, the Apocrypha, the Gnostic Gospels, the Diaglott. If people think reading is 'evil' that's their cross to bear, not mine. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Once we stop growing, we start dying. Thanks for the note. Peace,  

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