Date: 6/25/2001 8:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 17290
what state/town was that in...i dont know if it was local in my state or national but i think i heard of that story...  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 5484
she is definetly insane,i noticed they all had bible names too,it was a tragedy,i think she lost it somewhere along the line...  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 23991
okay..that woman was suffering from from post partum psychosis. basically, what that's like *because i suffer from clinical psychosis*, is it's like ur head is in a box. at first that box is empty, but then it starts filling up with all these horrible fears and everything that's ever hurt you in anyway. you can't make it go away, but you'll do anything to try. i'm not excusing what she did, but i'm just saying i know what that box is like..i live my life in it.  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 16376
I know, children are supposed to be miracles...so why would there own parents kill them? it doesn't make since to me either. If someone has depression they should try and get help..not kill their kids  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
ESPGirl, I think it was in Houston. Smile2Death, thanks for the information but I'm assuming that there is medications out there to control it, right? If this was the case with her, what do you think her fear was? That her 6 month old baby was going to kill her so she had to drown it???  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
I honestly don't know what would compele anyone to do such an act. I think that she had to of had something else going on there, not just the post pardom depression...*Shakes head* wish I could answer that I really do, but I have no idea as to why anyone would want to take one of their children out of the world, other than the fact that something is definately wrong in their head.  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 3395
I agree with Smile2Death, I am not excusing the fact that she murdered her children but, as a psychology minor, what the woman suffered probably couldn't be helped by anyone...it caused her to have a bout of temporary insanity and she lost it. It is total uncontrollable fear, 24/7.  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 5301
...she must have just been too stressed and completely snapped. My kids are constantly trying out new ploys to get Mom and Dad tearing their hair out. Perhaps this woman had no opportunity to recover her sanity. I'm not aware of all the facts.  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
Hawk, they had just changed her medication on Monday, she kiled her children on Tuesday. I know someone that took the same med. that she was prescibed on Monday. The first day my friend took it, she had to be rushed to her doctors, during which she tried to jump out of the car on the freeway and then climbed on all the furniture in the drs. office making very strange grunting noises. She went absolutely out of her mind. I personally think that the change in meds had a LOT to do with this woman losing her mind. I am in no way condoning what she did, but I think the her doctors failed her miserably in this case. And yes, it was in Houston, about 20 minutes from where I live, in a very affluent neighborhood.  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 17560
When I heard the story, I couldn't understand it either and still don't...kids are such innocent little people and I just couldn't imagine doing something like that to my kids...she had to be nuts in the head...  |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
Holly, help me out here, please. Explain this "fear" to me that makes someone kill their kids. I just don't understand that. How would killing you kids pacify your fear? |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 28946
I agree with you! Last year a woman deliberately drove on the wrong side of the highway,found her target,accelerated and killed her 4 babies and 2 more chilren and their father in the other car. She tried to use post partum depression but it didn't work as her baby was a year old! She got 145 years in prison but they are appealing it. Everyone talks about how these killer mothers were perfect. Remember the mom in Carolina that drowned her babies in the car? If that is an example of a perfect mother, thank God I ain't!!!  |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
Didn't know that, MoonPriestess, thanks. It's just so awful about those kids that it almost pisses me off. |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 32789
i agree with you. i have lived through absolute hell and my babies were right there wrapped in my arms. but i must wonder about the drugs. i have never used the drugs that physicians prescribed for me so i am wondering what kind of effect these drugs, espscially in the combination she was taking would have on one. we must also think DEPRESSION! i have been so depressed that i was to the point of dying. NOT suicide...actual DYING. so i do wonder about the severity of the depression and the combined drugs. meru |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 10315
she was defenantly crazy...but from what i heard her "fear" was that she was a horrible mother..she told the police she thought her kids would be better off dead...soo sad...she was chasing the older ones around the house..:-( i wanna cry thinking about it :-(  |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
If she thought she was that horrible she should have killed herself. Not that it would be right, but one down is better than a bunch of innocent kids. |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 23991
i don't know what she feared, and i'm not excusing it, but when you're that freaked out, you'll do anything. i've done stupid things, and when you're that full of fear, you lose rationality, and will do ANYTHING.. |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 32789
hey, let us all justr hug our own kids and be glad that we are not suffering from the same craziness she did! let us not judge a woman we do not know at all. meru |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
I absolutely agree Hawk about it pissing you off, it does me too!! And I am afraid that she should die. But its sad, in a way, because we know so much medically and this happens anyway. *sigh* I think when she comes out of her psychosis, she will kill herself if she gets the opportunity. But otherwise, i am sure she will get the death penalty, this is Texas after all. LOL...... |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 8224
Hawk, I am also having trouble understanding the "why" of it all - I can't shake the picture of her husband on TV crying and seeing the devastation in his eyes. This entire situation just keeps going over my head even thought I'm familiar with people who have suffered such deep depression - I just thank God I never had to go through with what others have. Not much consolation I know, but like you, I can't even begin to fathom the act - each time I think or hear of those children, I have to turn off the news while fighting back tears - I guess we'll never really understand - I know I won't. Thanks for letting me vent - it helps.  |
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Date: 6/25/2001 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 37652
No one can Understand why? Maybe we should should try to get past what she did and figure out why! Maybe we can prevent the next news headline. |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 28767
People like that should be locked up, and never released. Man it just sad. some people in this world. *shakes head.  |
Date: 6/25/2001 8:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 8374
i don't know what was wrong with that woman. she is totally insane. killing your own kids is wrong! I know she was insane and that she had a bunch of probs in her life but her killing her own kids will not get rid of the most problems in her life! Yes i agree with you that kids can be a pain in the butt but still it's cool looking at them smiling at ya and I would die if I never saw that smile smiling at you ever again :( People are just so cruel these days :( she deserves to be locked up for life...  |
Date: 6/25/2001 9:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Many cases of parents killing their children has been where there was a divorce and one of the parents did it as a revenge against the other. It is beyond any comprehension; and always makes me wonder why they don't give them up. Like that Susan Smith person who drown her two precious boys. Why didn't she just call her ex-husband and say to him that she just don't want them anymore?
I think it takes a cold, selfish, evil hearted person to take the life of an innocent child. NO, I don't believe that fruitcake in Texas had post partum. She was just a stupid (expletive deleted)!
I hope she gets life in prison, where inmates don't really like child killers or abusers!
The Thinker  |
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Date: 6/25/2001 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
Thinker, did you see this woman as they lead her out of her home? She was NOT all there from the looks of her. And as I said, they had JUST changed her meds the day before she killed them and I have 1st hand experience with someone taking the same med and it made them lose their mind!! I think she deserves to die but I also think more could have been done to prevent this happening, the drs. knew what the signs were and chose to ignore them. |
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Date: 6/25/2001 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Sure, there is often bizaare behaviors or muddled, cloudy/fuzzy thinking, mood swings, etc., on some medications, but killing 5 children!!?? My younger sister had a very bad bout with post partum, in that she became obsessed with the idea that everyone was out to harm her baby, and wouldn't let even her closest friends hold or come near the baby. She was so weird for a very long time. I used to see her snap at anyone who even moved her child's toys from where she placed them, or if they ever said no to the child. This went on until the child was almost 2 years old. I am sure that they will do a thorough medical and mental evaluation/analysis on this ditzy woman in Texas, before sentencing her. The Thinker |
Date: 6/25/2001 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 21249
I too am having a hard time excepting that a mother could kill her five children, it is almost beyond comprehension,have you noticed lately that this is happening more and more? Mother's killing their children? She had and gave birth to all of them, so at one time was a maternal loving mother, I think she completely lost her mind, I to am not condoning it, but you would have to be right out of your mind and I mean totally out of it to do such a thing, I feel for those poor children so much, why didn't the hubby get her some help? He knew she was batteling depression, he should have taken no chance's and taken the children to relative's until she had proper care  |
Date: 6/25/2001 9:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 18376
The last time I made a comment on this subject my comment was deleted,even though I was only speaking the truth (right 28328?)Guess the truth hurts sometime!  |
Date: 6/25/2001 9:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I think its awful. I agree that her doctors should have paid more attention to what was going on with her. Her family should have and her husband. I dont know how anyone can do that to their children. My uncle by marriage shot and killed his own son. His excuse????? He was aiming at the other one, he didnt mean to kill mike!! So does this mean had he hit bill my other cousin, that he would have meant it?????? No, hes not in jail, I cant believe that his wife and kids all swear that it was an accident so he didnt go to jail. Go figure. The son he shot and killed was the father of seven kids.  |
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Date: 6/25/2001 9:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
18376, I'm assuming your comment was deleted off another post, because I do not delete my comments. |
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Date: 6/25/2001 9:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
18376, But I guess I should delete yours, because it is irrelevent to my post. |
Date: 6/25/2001 10:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 1334
Well here goes my opinion, and this comes only from seeing the comments here and what I have heard from people that watch the news (I do not because I choose not to listen to the everyday violence) if this woman was so crazy and was on Med like is being said. Why did she have her children? Why was childrens services not contacted to watch this situation? am not saying that any parent that has to take meds like an Anti-Depresent should not have their children with them, but when you are as messed up as people say this woman was somebody should step in and take the children away. If her Meds were not working why would any person in their right mind think those babies were safe in her care? I hope she gets what she deserves. Until the day she is put to death she should have to look at pictures of her once happy children. while listeng to her court procedings on tape. People thought she was crazy before hah. ...  |
Date: 6/25/2001 10:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 37584
i don't know how anyone can do it either  |
Date: 6/25/2001 10:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Now there is supposedly a source who says she may be pregnant, according to ABC, her lawyers say tests will be back later this week.How much worse can this get? I personally see her as a monster, I have no compassion for her and nothing will change my feelings. Those babies suffered a very painful death, and I can only say may she remember their eyes looking at her while she killed each one. Looking at the pictures of those innocent little faces has been heartbreaking.  |
Date: 6/25/2001 10:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 22440
Good point(Hawk)I still don't understand how anyone can kill their own kids let alone any kids! I can't understand the husbands attitude of standing by her and saying she is a good person! ....................Aussie  |
Date: 6/25/2001 11:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 21673
obviously she is not sane if she could do that. I even have compassion for her, as her hell has just begun. Her family backed her. Not sure of the dynamics there but its what a family should do. She needs help more than ever now. All those poor sweet souls. Even a child would not understand that their own mother could do that to them. I wish people could be healed of such sickness so the children do not suffer as much.  |
Date: 6/26/2001 7:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
I understand exactly what you are saying, my husband is also in the military and while I don't have 5 children, two by yourself can still be a handful. He is leaving for Korea on July 23 for a year. My 3 year old suffers seizures and is very much a daddys girl, its going to be a long year, she is still to young to understand why daddy has left her. I think the whole depression thing is a reason, not an excuse. I've heard her husband blamed (and by all accounts he was an involved father who came home to his family every night), homeschooling blamed, mental illness blamed, the drugs she was taking blamed, everyone but the real culprit, the mother herself. Do we excuse a serial killer who has a personality disorder and was abused himself as a child? No we don't, it is a reason for the killing, but not a good enough one to let him off the hook for killing upteen woman. This woman chose to have 5 children, she chose to homeschool them, she chose to kill them. How heartrending to think the last face those children saw was the face of there beloved mother holding them down and killing them. Its almost to horrible to think about...Kelly  |
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Date: 6/26/2001 12:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
ShadowGhost, if she is pregnant I certainly hope that she is not able to keep the baby. I do not think her husband should have any rights to the baby either, because he left the children with her knowing she was not right in the head. If she wants to push this depression thing than he would have known she was that depressed. The baby should be given to a family member that is in their right mind. |
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Date: 6/26/2001 12:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 277
If I was her husband I would be thinking that the woman is so lucky she's in jail, because I sure as hell wouldn't want her anywhere around me. |
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Date: 6/26/2001 3:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I agree with you Hawk, she is NUTS. |
Date: 6/27/2001 9:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
I believe that sometimes demons are attracted to the negative and depressed vibes of the depressed. They take advantage of this terrible weakness in order to wreak their horrible destruction.  |
Date: 7/1/2001 10:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 9130
Okay, i haven't read any of the other comments here, so i may be sounding like a broken record when I say this: I think that the woman is a cold blooded killer. (mass murderer) She took five lives, and is now trying to say that it was due to post pardum depression? Yeah right! I mean she may be nuts, but i do not think that she should use depression as an excuse.  |
