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Date: 7/31/2001 10:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 39026
The debate for the videogames was by author 9130 if anyone was interested in seeing it. It starts off EVIL VIDEO GAMES. |
Date: 7/31/2001 10:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 22188
I think that discipline is very necessary (sp?)...but the way in which it is dealt doesn't always have to be physical punishment. I think the punishment should fit the crime...for instance, if a teenager is picking on a younger sibling..then he or she should provide free babysitting for a neighbor or relative. Grounding works too :) There has to be some type of consequence for wrong behavior, but I'm glad that schools can no longer paddle a student for anything and everything. That's out of hand. ~CaseyGirlie  |
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Date: 7/31/2001 11:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 39026
How can you say that it was getting out of hand when you look at schools today? |
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Date: 8/1/2001 12:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 41296
I am a teacher and I still paddle. I also spank my children. (oh no I've said that dirty word "spank") Some children NEED A LITTLE PHYSICAL DISCOMFORT TO REMEMBER THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG. I love my children more than life itself, and for that reason, I will spank them when they need it. My children don't throw tantrums in stores because they learned a lesson early, if they throw a tantrum in a store, they will get spanked in a store. I do not yell. My philosophy is spank, don't yell. I'm sorry, all children are not going to learn a lesson by sitting in time-out. Children are not born with an innate sense to do right. It is my job as a parent to make sure my children get a firm understanding of right and wrong. And if more parents felt this way, I wouldn't have to spank their kids at school. |
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Date: 8/1/2001 12:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 42058
my mother dosen't spank me any more but when she did I learned my lesson I would still do the wrong sometimes but some kids have never even been put on punishment and THATS wrong thats why most kids act so darn stupid these days they don't know any better I fought someone just so they would learn that they needed some...HOME TRAINING and I know this much they don't act like they ain't got HOME TRAINING no more and I'm only 13 and I mean I faught them because of something they did to me and then they hit me first too it's not right to fight but at least they learned something. and The schools is where they need it most these kids I'n st.louis are horrible!!!or maybe they are just at my school I don't know but even suspending them don't work they are just getting dumber because they are never at school any ways but I don't say litteraly spank them no you shouldn't do that because some teachers get out of hand principles maybe but there is no need for spanking at school send a note home or something a permission slip MAY WE SPANK YOUR CHILD...LOL just kidding Pbaby_113 |
Date: 8/1/2001 4:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 40089
Remember' spare the ROD and SPOIL the child !!  |
Date: 8/1/2001 4:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 23796
There is a Difference between Discipline and Punishment. I do not feel Punishment is Needed in the school system or HOme. Discipline is always needed, but not in a Physical Form. There are other ways to get a child to listen...Natural consiquences...etc. IF I EVER caught someone Paddling my Child at school or anywhere, They'd have one Heck of an Angry mother & a Lawsuit. Alot of children have other Problesm that have nothing to do wiht the PARENT. Sometimes there are certain disabilities that mask as Spoiled/Druptive/Bad Child. My children Just happen to have these Disabilites. Personally, I feel People Use Physcial Punishment when they are angry & Feel they are out of Options. If they take the time for a Time out to Cool Their OWN emotions..then they could see that there are other ways of correcting the situation without Physical means.  |
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Date: 8/1/2001 4:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 23796
There are some things that you just can't "Paddle" into a child. They have to learn by natural consiquenses and Consistancy. |
Date: 8/1/2001 6:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 33925
Well said Shadow *applauds* I believe that children do need dicipline, but I also say not physical dicipline..There ARE other ways..Take the time to learn them..its not that hard really...take some parenting classes..look online at some parenting sites...There is a whole world out there that are NOT spanking their children and have found affective forms of dicipline without spanking. And 41296 Im glad that you are not a teacher in my area...if a teacher EVER and I mean EVER put a hand, or paddle to my child's body, there would be some serious consequences for that teacher!! I do not spank my children and noone else is going to either! They have no right...teacher's need to realise that a teaching certificate is not a licence to physically or mentally abuse other people's children....xoxo  |
Date: 8/1/2001 6:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 38256
41296 I can't belive you can even admit to such an atrocity! If any teacher came near me with a paddle I'd have their butt in court so fast..... Physical dicipline is NOT necessary I was never spanked nor was my brother. He's 12 and I'm 15 and we are both honor students so don't tell me that spanking is the only way to teach kids right and wrong. I hope someone catches you and you learn that you can't teach right and wrong by hitting especailly someone else's child! NO one will ever hit my kids (when I have them). ~E-cutie86  |
Date: 8/1/2001 6:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 36459
This topic has been hot the last few days out here. I have never (yet) hit my kids, I haven't needed to. I would never want a teacher or other adult to administer physical punishment to my child, but if I felt it were necessary, I would do it. I don't believe that it is the school systems job to raise my child, rather it is my responsibility. If I recieved a call from a teacher or principal, they would be assured that the problem would be dealt with post haste by me. I also do believe in natural consequences, but the example of a kid who picks on others to be allowed to babysit really doesn't fit. How do you ensure that the kid won't pick on the babysat child? Sometimes, as 41296 pointed out, a little physical discomfort will help the child remember what they did wrong. I think that hitting a child needs to be done once the parent is no longer angry. Also, this could lead to abuse, such as excessive force or hitting too many times. Parental discipline needs to be tempered by love to be most effective ~ Chooselife  |
Date: 8/1/2001 8:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 31145
I dont know, personally I'm for discipline, because it makes the child think that they can get away with anything.  |
Date: 8/1/2001 9:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 19220
I spank my children but it is my job to discipline my children, no one elses. In school, they should call the parents and if something needs to be done at the school, then use detention or ISS.  |
Date: 8/1/2001 11:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 34361
I agree with Icequeen. I also don't understand when they send the child home for punisment? Like the child's gonna go "Maaaan, and I really wanted to be at school!" (Sticks out tongue to the side and looks cross eyed!)That'll teach em!  |
Date: 8/1/2001 2:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 12600
I am with 41296 and ChooseLife. I know that it is my responsibility to raise my child and to do that to the best of my ability. I have absolutely NO PROBLEM, with a teacher paddling my child, as long as I am contacted and my husband or myself can be present. I feel that a majority of the reason why we have so many problems with teens and kids nowadays is because of the lack of discipline in their lives. I also know, after having two totally different children, one method doesn't always work for all kids. And I find it unbelievable that so many have attacked this teacher. I FEEL that people who have such a problem with spanking are those who have never seen it exercised in a "normal" fashion. These people have most likely experienced abuse and now categorize any and all physical discipline as an act of abuse. That my friend, is just as dysfunctional as thinking that just because a person drinks a little alcohol then they are an alcoholic...because the only time you've seen the act of drinking alcohol exercized was when it was being abused. Personally, I rarely spank my kids but I do spank them. I feel like if more people showed their children that there are REAL consequences to poor choices then we wouldn't have so many kids killing kids, or killing their parents, or stealing, or etc. and thinking they are above punishment for crimes. It is almost as though these kids are oblivious to the fact that there ARE in fact consequences to bad behaviour. Gee, I wonder whoever gave them that impression??? I tell you what, my mother used to scream and yell at me...and I would MUCH rather have someone spank me appropriately than to have to listen to someone scream at me and degrade me. Just my 2 cents. ~peace~  |
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Date: 8/1/2001 5:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 41296
The problem with all the anti-teacher-paddling, is this...I teach at a school where paddling is permitted. We also have detention, missing out on break, etc. Well, at the beginning of the year, I always ask the parents if they want me to paddle their child. If they say no, I don't. And most of the time I put those same kids in detention after school, those same parents that said they don't want their children picked up, don't show up to get their child and our principal has to take them home, or they call me before school is out to go ahead and paddle them because no one can come get them. And the children who I've noticed in my years of teaching that misbehave, are the ones who do not get spanked at home. (and I'm not talking about the ones who have specific emotional problems). I do not know where most of the anti-spankers live or how they grew up, but when I was growing up, my mother would get a hickory and whip me with it. I am glad she did. I was pretty bad. Time-out was something I would have laughed at. I feel more civil spanking than I feel about a child missing his/her snack. I'm so comfortable with spanking because I have two daughters at home, and a lot of the teachers bring their students to me to paddle. And my children's teachers have my permission to paddle them too. Although they have yet to need one at school. And I have encountered a whole lot of parents who don't believe their child could ever act that way, and don't believe me when I tell them their child says dirty words. They sure aren't going to do anything at home. The most ill-behaved children are the ones whose parents use alternate discipline techniques. That's my experience. And I don't run around my house with a switch just waiting for my children to do something wrong. And I don't spank for every little thing. But there are certain lines that my children know not to cross. Those are lying, any bad language, smart-talking, or talking back, and not doing something when I tell them to do it. |
Date: 8/2/2001 9:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 17513
Without discipline how is the child supposed to grow up to be respectful, responsible, reliable, hard working and honest individual. Parents are our teachers in our lives ( I mean, the good parents/not the abusive kind). Babies are born innocent and they learn from their immediate surroundings. If as a parent you are irresponsible, dishonest, unreliable, lazy, how is your child going to learn to be mature and responsible as an adult?  |
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Date: 8/2/2001 9:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 17513
When I see kids swearing, hitting other kids, lying, shoplifting, unreliable, irresponsible, you've to realize they didn't learn these behaviors from nowhere. It starts at home. |
Date: 8/2/2001 12:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 31783
I'm with Author 41296 (The teacher) on this one. Most of the people I know who use alternate forms of punishment only have spoiled rotton brats. Lady Luck and others, that doesn't mean your children are like that. It just means the ones I know personally are. My children are no angels, don't get me wrong. They have their times when they act up. Their teacher has my absolute permission to spank them (although, so far, she has not needed to). If my children were to know their teacher couldn't she would loose authority in their eyes. That's just what needs to happen (note the sarcasim).  |
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Date: 8/2/2001 12:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 31783
Oh, one more thing. I got paddled a couple of times in school. The emabarrassment of it was a greater punishment than the temporary discomfort. I never thought twice about being suspended. Actually, I enjoyed that. |
Date: 8/2/2001 12:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 11091
41296, where do you teach? Discipline is teaching right and wrong, morals, values, results and consequences. Punishment is not dicipline. Punishment is a reaction to bad behavoir. Physical punishment, ie spanking, should only be done by a calm parent for extreme behavoir problems and the reasoning should be explained and understood by the child. Anyone paddled or spanked my son they would see me in court and never teach or work with children again. Just because someone is a child does not give anyone the right to spank or hit them. Parents teach violence and bullying through spanking children. Why is it ok for the parent to hit, but not the child?  |
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Date: 8/2/2001 5:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 41296
That last comment just shows you what is wrong with the children today. When I was little, I got many paddlings in school. And when I got home my mother whipped me again. My mother didn't run up to the school threatening a dumb lawsuit nor did she ever run up to the principal and put the teacher down. When parents do this, it just shows what a true LACK OF PARENTING we've got in this country right now. And don't you tell me spanking is not discipline. It works, and it works good. It somehow really makes a child remember what they shouldn't do. I have a neice who never has been spanked. She is a spoiled brat whom I really don't like to be around to be honest. My mother always stayed on the side of my teachers. Sometimes I didn't agree with that, but looking back I know it was best. And parents, when you come up to the school to make a scene, you're not hurting anyone but your child. And that kind of hurt is MUCH more than a tap on the behind. |
Date: 8/3/2001 1:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
I would allow it. If you look back to the times when my parents went to school they didn't have the problems they have in school now. You didn't dare look cross eyed at a teacher or she slapped your eye balls to the back of your head. Very few cut up in and class if they did it only took them a few smacks to get the point that it was not going to be tolerated. My father got it at school once, and only once and he got his butt whooped again when he got home. He never did it again, as did most of the kids. I agree with Trinity that suspension in school does nothing, neither does detention or in school suspension. They are just time-outs that serve no purpose. It would be an interesting thing to see if they somehow tested the theory of which would work better. I would like to see them take two different schools with kids coming from the same kind of backgrounds. One school with spanking as their method of disclipline and another with the current detention and suspension system. It would be interesting to see how many repeat offenders would come from each school. I would be willing to put my money on the school that uses spanking to come out with more behaved kids than not. I did not come from a house where we got spanked often. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I got spanked in my whole life. I tell you what though I talked back to my mother something awful when I was a teenager and I know if she had knocked a couple teeth down my throat it would have never happened. Instead I was sent to my room or whatever.  |
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Date: 8/3/2001 3:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 38256
Birdfeeder it seems that we are alone in the position against spanking. It's sad isn't it that these people condone the violent behavior of adults toward children but then blame the school shooting on the lack of such. And just because it's has always been done in the past doesn't mean it's right look at slavery and the oppression of women. E-cutie86 |
