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Can pedophiles be cured?

  Author:  41706  Category:(Debate) Created:(8/18/2001 1:50:00 PM)
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This was a questions asked by a judge to a physcologist during the trial of a serial pedophile in Massachusetts. The "doctor" told the judge that yes, the pedophile can be rehabilitated. The judge asked how, and the "doctor" couldn't answer the judge, because he didn't know. Most pedophiles when released into the community after their sentence has been served tend to commit the crime all over again.

Now I ask you, Can pedophiles be cured? Or should they get life in prison?

>Bearclaw<

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Date: 8/18/2001 1:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    SHOW ME ONE ... just one case of a phedophile being cured... ONE ... in jail forever in my opinion... THERE IS NO CURE >.. to release them is to play "russian roulette" with our children!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 1:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    and might I add... I find it DISGUSTING that our society releases them at all. . . . GRRRR nasty subject!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 16069    Im not a pedofile, I couldnt tell you  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 17417    Well BearClaw,I have 24 Grandchildren...I think that might answer your question...I cannot even imagine what I would do if this happened to one of them...In RI some ARE released BUT there is a law here that annouces to the people where this person is moving, that he has been convicted of this Hideous crime...A Modern Day SCARLETT Letter if you will...If I had my druthers I would want them to stay in prison I do not know of ANYONE being rehibilitated but rather going on to murder these young victums for fear they would go back to jail if convicted again...Even in Prison these people are looked down upon...I Remain In Spirit,  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 19901    Listen...I'm quite serious. If someone ever molests my child. I will cure him for good. StormBringer  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Storm ... till it happens you really don't know... because the greater good is to be there for your children no?? you in prison for taking justice yourself isn't gonna accomplish the greater good... I say lock em up FOREVER.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    Yes they can be cured, Pedophilia is a sin, like other sins, it will send you to hell, BUT like other sins there is a way to get victory over it, Jesus Christ is the only one who can change lives and or cure anything including Pedophiles. Jesus died on the Cross for all sins, includes Murder, Rape, Pedophiles, Drug dealers etc. That has been paid for on the cross, by faith you need to recieve Jesus Christ as lord and savior, that will take you to heaven, but regardless of sin, if you don't have Christ as your savior, you will end up in Hell, all sins are equal in the site of God, now I am a sinner, without me trusting in Christ as savior I am no different from any of these murderers. The Bible says that any sinner can be cured (1 Corithians 6-12) But if you do not trust Christ as your savior, you are no better off than the pedophiles. If someone in Prison has trusted Christ as savior, he or she must still finish his/her sentence even if it is life or death row.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    I have seen news accounts and talk shows where the pedofile themselves say NO!!!! They ALL have said that WHEN they get out, they KNOW they will do it again!!! THAT is all the answer I need to say do not EVER let them out again!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    36967 . . .LOOK at the issue and tell me there IS ONE CURED phedophile, you are looking at the soul after death ... LOOK AT THE HUMAN BEING doing such evil!!! tell me they can be cured... SHOW ME ONE!!!!!! ONE CURED JUST ONE!!! ON RECORD CURED... it is atrocious to put them back into society!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    To Author 36967, Although I agree with everything you say here, I think that it would be assuming way too much to think that when they get to prison for their "sins" of pedophilia, that they WILL do as you say!!! I would be so very wary of someone who said that, and would have to WATCH their actions for a very long time before saying "release" this person back into society... There are just WAY too many prisoners USING our beloved Jesus Christ's name to get what they WANT!!! And I think NO child is worth that risk... Thanks for allowing me MY say on this...  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Jungabel, you are so right!!! ALL the experts I have seen on this subject says they CANT be cured, and I believe them!!! I know of a couple of cases around here like that, and I think the families of these girls would definitely agree with you too   
Date: 8/18/2001 2:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 19901    Jungabel. That's a very good point, but I really don't think I could excercise that kind of restraint. I understand that pedophiles are sick, and what I suggested would serve as no deterent, even if every parent thought the same way. I honestly think this is how I would react, myself. StormBringer  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Gail thanks so much!! I tell ya this subject just gets me on my soap box..... there is NOT ONE case of a documented pedophile being "cured" not one... and knowing this, we still release them on our children.... beyond me it is... do we put SO little a value on our future, our children???  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Stormbringer, I sooooooo agree with you!!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    I did not say that Pedophiles can be cured, God said it, and I believe God. Ted Bundy was one example of a pedophile who got cured. He was in prisoin when he trusted in Christ as savior, he still must serve his sentence and that was death, but now he is in heaven. I saw his testimony on what Christ did for him as well as other inmates and prision gaurds as well as correction officers testified in the video that there was a change in his life, but unfortuately it was too late in a sense that he wasted his life. God did use him in prision, and he is in heaven. As well as Jeffery Dahmer is another one who is in heaven, he trusted in Christ as savior. Both Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer it was Christ alone who cured them. but even though they did become Christians, but those two still had to serve out their life sentence, or death like Bundy's cases. I am a Christian, and I know I will see both Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer in Heaven when I get there.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Storm.. I can SOOOO appreciate where you are coming from.. but in the end.. I believe a "stable soul" would always choose the greater good.... Which of course is the children.... Peace and I DO understand completely!!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    ummmm maybe you need to explore the deffinition of pedophile... vs... serial killer....  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 19901    Jungabel, I wish I had your peaceful personnna. You have a wiser spirit than I do. I admire that. Storm.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    BUTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! The point is, they did NOT release Ted Bundy from Prison to SEE if he was truly SAVED!!! They DO release these child molesters ONLY to get them BACK because they ARE NOT CURED!!! WE cannot take that chance with our children....  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    Anyone who says that pedophiles cannot be cured is calling God a liar, and God cannot lie. If God said they can be cured, then they can be cured, I would be willing to bet my life on what God has said in his word.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 19901    You know, I think it's even worse when a parent is involved. What a violation this child has to endure! To realize that the last vestige of security has been taken away from them. I knew a child this happened to (very close to my family) and I think about that every time I see her. Poor thing.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    You are sooooo missing the point here!!! It is not CAN GOD CURE A PEDOFILE, we ALL know that HE can... it is that they USE this as a defense and we cannot TRUST a convicted child molester to release them amongst our children!!!! How old are you and how many kids do YOU have Author 36967???  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Same here Stormbringer, that happened in my neighborhood too... You dont EVEN wanna know what my take was on that at the time!!! wasnt pretty,   
Date: 8/18/2001 2:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    36967... Lemmie get this straight.. you gonna have a convicted pedophile that did their time babysit your child???  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 4144    those sick pervs can't be cured. even when they get locked up and the other prisoners "get friendly" with them, they will still get out of prison and do it again. when it concerns trash like that, we should be able to castrate em.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    LOL @ MomaBug, I WANTED to say that too!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 19384    Hey Moma Bug. I agree with castration. But there are femal pedophiles, too. Not as many, I'll admit, but still, what do we do about them?  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Jungabel, I dont think he has any children... so I guess that would be NO to the babysitting...  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Hiya Yardy!!! Yes, there are female pedofiles, but the entire chemical make-up is so different, and I dont think the experts are out of the drawing room with that one, or at least I have never heard that addressed...  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    No, they cannot. Unless the charge was false, or the two people were a few years apart or in love, and being hassled by the age law, then no, they cannot.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 18516    I agree with moma bug..they need to be castrated..I should know..I had one after me. So my answer is NO they cannot be cured!!! Sick freaks!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:47:00 PM  From Authorid: 16061    I dont think they can and I dont think a lot want to be.  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    Hey 36967, I don't give a rats how much you believe in Jesus and worship him, you let me know how you feel when a convicted pedophile molests your little girl or little boy. You're one of those people that actually buy that excuse that religion has cured someone of their wrongdoings, that murder is excusable as long as they pray, and as long as they beg god for their forgiveness after they've just raped a six year old-for the fifth time. You just keep telling yourself that religion cures everything, keep hiding behind your idea that any sin can be forgiven by humanity and monsters really don't roam the street if they believe in god. Keep telling yourself that someone who finds endless joy and delight in murdering people is rehabilitated through religion. I'm sure as long as Dahmer said grace before he chowed on Charlie's arm that it was all okay with you, right? Keep telling yourself that...just keep telling yourself these things...  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Persophone!!! LOLOLOL I soooo wanted to say just about what you did... but till that author has a child affected by one of the INCUREABLE... then they have nothing to say on the matter that is worth much to me... and I must say this feels unusual to even me... I am usually quite able to handle "young souls"... but this is a SOCIAL OUTRAGE  
Date: 8/18/2001 2:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    I say execute the pedophiles, the world doesn't need sick freaks like that.   
Date: 8/18/2001 3:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    to answer the question on babysitting, according to the bible 2 corinthians 5:17, if anyone is in Christ he/she is a new creature, and new being, God threw out the old life and gave the indivisual a new life. But I agree that there are many who use the name of Christ to convince people and so they can repeat the crimes. Our church as well as many other churches, before anyone wants to work with Children, that person must go before the deacons, and be approved by the deacon board, there are several things the deacon board will look at,pedophilia is one of them. First we look at if they are born agian, if not then we don't let him work with the children at the church. We do look at the backgrounds of people who want to work with Children at the church. If the person is a pedophile, we look at if there has been a change in life, if so, then we trust that person to work with the children. But if that person is just using Christ to do what he wants, then we tell that person to get out of the church. I can tell if someone is truely a Christian, just because that person calls himself a Christian, does not automatically win my approval. If that person is truely saved, and the change has been in his or her life, then I would trust that person to be around my kids.  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    so 36967... .the question is.. if all the trusted MEN and women agreed that this person was judged to be of god now... You would allow this person unsupervised discretion of your child... LET me tell you from experience... THIS is an outrage.. and by the way may I sell you the brooklyn bridge... now I know that sounds terrible... but to put blind faith in the WORD OF A MAN that they are now of GOD... is to buy the bridge....  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    To answer the question on Female Pedophiles, yes they exist, and yes there are even girls that rape guys. Weather the sex offender is a guy or a girl, 90 percent of these people are into devil worship, and are either demon possessed or use witchcraft, every girl that is a rapist is a devil worshiper,(which would make sense since the girl is weeker than the guy, so she needs demons to help her). In mosto f these interviews, they started out with praticing slafia, megiojot, wicca, syrite, other forms of the so-called white witchcraft or good witchcraft, that is how it starts out, and then they get evil(well they were evil since they started the good witchcraft,really there is no such thing) So if anyone guy or girl is into witchcraft, then I would tell that person to keep away from my kids.(I am not married or a parent, but if I was I would tell them to stay away from children.) That is how most of the pedophiles become pedophiles, it is through devil-worship.  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    You know what drkptrs1975? You are the typical blind male. I would hate to be one of your children, in fact, I would hope to Goddess you don't have children and if you do I hope you do not befriend a pedophile, because have faith in your God and beleiving in God is one thing, but putting blind faith in man is pure ignorance and complete disregard for the safety of your own children.  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    OK as to author whatever you are.. you obviously know not for which you speak... sorry but.. if you live behind a wall of suspicion that everything that is different from what you believe is satan worship and whitch craft in a negative connotation ... then you are HIDING BEHIND YOUR RELIGOUS SHIELD> USE the brain God gave you.... if there are NO cases of cured pedophiles in the entire WORLD... you gonna leave them with your beloved??? PLEASE  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    I never said I puit faith in any man, because I don't. It is in God I put mt faith in.  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    God is not to protect you from evil... his is to give you the strength to put it in the proper place.... if you dont use the brain.. then your plight is for naught....  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 17081    EXECUTE THEM....Yeah anybody can be cured but Why should I even take the chance by having one in my neighborhood. I don't owe them the chance that they may or may not mess with my kids.  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 41744    what i think they sould do is build a communite for sex offenders to live in and let them do what ever they want to each other. i don't think they should be able to live in the "real" world. the place where i live let a pedophile move in and put him in an apartment right across from the park. it made alot of ppl mad. me encluded.
-WickedHatchetGirl
  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    Oh my GODDESS, you're one of those people who don't put faith in God, you put it in the church, and in un-proven statistics that religious deacons like to make up. Guess what? I'm Pagan and I am probably a heck of a lot more pure than a lot of Christian people that walk this earth, INCLUDING the pedophiles.  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Wicken Hatchet Girl...!!! They have been trying in Washington State to do that with a facility called McNeil Island... the problem is that the laws are not set up for indeffinite incarceration.... so keeping them in a separate place is an impossibility till the laws change and we do NOT release these animals on our children any longer!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Author with the sense to let your children be babysat by a pedophile.... Forgiveness is one thing... but trust in a man and not your God... is another... may I suggest that you re-think the pedophile as a re-habilitated being...as there are NO cases of such in the WORLD.... I agree forgiveness is DEVINE... and what GOD askes of loyal subjects... but to TRUST this... another issue?  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 30786    No they cannot be cured, they are twisted and will almost always do it again. What makes me mad is that they should be locked away forever instead of being let out and wait for them to take another victim so it can be "proven" that they need to go back.  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Breezy I agree except that it is not ALMOST always.... it is ALWAYS... there is NOT ONE cure so to speak on record.... NONE ZERO ZILCH ZIP>>>... they admit to doing it again and WANTING to do it again.... so NO NO NO NO NO NO NO DO NOT let them out ever !!! thanks needed to vent that out!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:33:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 41706    If pedophiles can't be cured, why do we release them back into society and endanger innocent children? >Bearclaw<  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Bearclaw isnt that the question of the DAY... GOOD post because people need to be made aware that they are EVERYWHERE ... and they are everywhere cuz we do let them out... is an absolute autrocity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Aithor 36967, SIGN your name to your posts!
YOU haven't a freaking CLUE what you are talking about!! I mean that sincerely. You do not know how many many prisoners, pedophiles included, who ONLY......"SUDDENLY......get religion, get "saved".......AFTER getting nailed/caught and sent to prison. You are a scream, a total riot, sweetcheeks, when you make such a statement that TED BUNDY was "rehabilitated"!!! LMAO! Where on earth do you get such a DELUSIONAL idea!?? He was a CON ARTIST from day one, and even his own mother testified to that. He tried every ploy in the book to garner sympathy so why should he leave out a good ole "I've been saved" PLOY!???
I think that I have a whole lot more experience with the subject of pedophilia, me dear, and I can state with authority, that in the vast majority of cases: IT CANNOT BE CURED. You people who say "just believe in Jesus because he'll cure everything" make me ill when it comes to stuff like this! Sick! These monsters will say ANYTHING to weasel out of their punishment....ANYTHING!
Got it!??
  
Date: 8/18/2001 3:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Thinker... LOL you and I are of a mind here .. may not be often... but on this ... this particular author of "God's forgiveness and a man made new... " well we are on the same page... if they are NOT cured and no one EVER has been... why do we allow them into society to mess with your potential genius and mine??? Our CHILDREN... we are playing with their security... because we forgive a crime that has no forgiveness.....  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    "Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer is in heaven"......WHAT A TOTAL CROCK! I'll tell you what, they both are in HELL right this minute sitting right along side of my pedophile father! OK! Oh, yeah, honey, and he CLAIMED to be "saved" and all the while this evil monster was molesting all three of his daughters, sooooooooo many people were fooled, and THOUGHT he was such a fine christian! He was a church goer, and carried around a Bible (which he would lay aside long enough to molest one of us girls) and let lotsa peeps saying how "Charlie is in heaven now" when he died. Yeah, right! Get away from ME with all that NONESENSE talkin', sweetie! YOU are barking up the wrong tree!  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Excuse me, but I'm on a roll here. I can tell you so many cases I have worked with, where the sexual assault survivor's pedophile abuser was a pillar of the community, and a "born again" "supposedly "christian". Several were ministers in the church, and highly looked up too. One young teenager was in terror of her father, because he repeatedly told her that if she told, he would see to it that she "suddenly dissapeared" and that he would just say she ran off with a boyfriend. Now, this man is the pastor of a Baptist church in my home state. IF you want to message me, give me your e-mail address, I can give you a whole lot more examples. Religion and churches are the BEST places for these pedophiles to hide behind, and don't even get me started on the thousands of Catholic priests who were nailed for molesting kids! On top of all that, just imagine the millions WHO WERE NEVER CAUGHT or prosecuted! It boggles the mind.  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Don't forget.. they seem also to go toward the Boyscouts as council or leaders, and Youth Groups as Jr Pastors... to the High Schools the Elementary Schools and ANY other place children are in HUGE groups and/or able to be isolated....  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    You are so RIGHT, Jungebel. Pedophiles will seek out positions that will place them in close proximity of children. Often, when they are caught, an awful lot of people are so shocked, and many of the pedophiles supporters REFUSE to believe it. "Why, he was such a good christian"
*rolls eyes*
  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    Thinker I agree but for "Christian" alone... I betcha agree they would take on ANY form of belief to hide the fact that they do what they do.... The major and KEY point to them is Manipulation and Control and ANY POSITION that puts them with children is vulnerable. Tough stuff to talk about but a necessary evil of our society and it's rules.  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 13952    I have to agree with thinker on this one ...the only cure for a child molestor is death and their is no salvation for a child molestor, simple put you have to stop committing the gross sin to have forgiveness and
child molestors can not stop unless they are in jail or dead...personally I prefer the latter, but I leave that up to GOD.....knh...aka..jim
  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Parents don't KNOW *WHAT* to teach their children. A child molester can look like anyone, be anyone. They can be that sweet, innocent, attractive babysitter, or the jolly, sweet old "grandpa" next door. I was driving by a parking lot of large mall, early one sunday morning, when I saw a gute little, ponytailed blonde, girl riding around on her bicycle. Now, I am a tall, well dressed, attractive, and friendly woman. I struck up a conversation with the child. She was NOT AFRAID of me. When I ask her if I could take her home (her home) she got right in the car with me!! She told me where she lived, a few blocks away, and When I got there, I went up to the door, and her mom didn't seem the least bit alarmed that a stranger had picked up her child and brought her home. IF I were a pedophile, the child would not have made it home, and this stupid woman did not even seem to think of that or care. I left that home with such a SICK feeling to my stomach.
  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:53:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 41706    Church groups and other youth organizations are where these monsters tend to lurk. They also thrive on the internet, and hang out at librarys from what I hear. There is also an organization called NAMBLA. This is a truly sick organization, they want to pass a law lowering of the age of consent to 12 or 13 years old. How could our government even consider a bill like that? How can a group like that even be allowed to operate? This is a sick society we live in, and if anything deserves to be outlawed, it's this group. They're not religious, or political, they are sick and evil, and should be put out of business. >Bearclaw<  
Date: 8/18/2001 4:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 13952    thinker...I know how you feel my wife and I have managed apartments...up to 400 units and we have
ask parents to move because they would not keep
watch on their children...and I dont mean unrulely
children even though we have had that problem too.
I mean good kids that were allowed to run all over a 10 acre complex with no parental control...
it just scared us to much....knh..aka..jim
  
Date: 8/18/2001 5:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 34078    Maybe we need to teach our children better and it's okay to tell on someone instead of calling them tattle-tales.  
Date: 8/18/2001 5:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 34361    I think people miss the point. Just because someone claims to be saved by the blood of Jesus, doesn't mean they are. I've seen people cured of aids, cancer, homosexuality, drug addiction, suicidal thoughts and more...CURED! I know Everyone isn't cured, but technically, an appropiate answer to the question is "Yes". People CAN be cured of this. For NOTHING is too great for God. But I say "UNTIL" they're cured, LOCK EM UP!!!! They have brainwave tests that they can use to determine if someone is cured of this disorder. by visual effects in the cortex and the reaction in the brainwaves...  
Date: 8/18/2001 6:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    If Pedophiles, or people like Jeffery Dahmer or Ted Bundy cannot get into heaven, then you cannot get into heaven as well, since you are a sinner, that will send you to Hell. It is not because of what you do why people go to Hell, they go to Hell because they turn down the only way to heaven. In order to get to heaven, first you must admit that you are a sinner on way to hell. Then Believe that Jesus died on the cross and arose on the third day that only Jesus can save you. Then you must call on his name, or ask him to save you, come into your heart, or be your Lord and Savior. Then Jesus will come in your life and turn yourself around. That is how Jeffery Dahmer and Ted Bundy are in heaven. Now unless you guys trust in Christ as your savior, in God eyes, you are no different or better of a person than these sex offenders, and you will go to hell with them as well.  
Date: 8/18/2001 6:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    ^^^^^^Spoken like a true fanatic^^^^ Notice how he just ignores ALL of the previous information, and sticks to the "preachin'". People, Guys like this are reeeeeeal SCARY to me.  
Date: 8/18/2001 6:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    36967 Get out from behind your ignorant shield of christianity... Please!!! Before someone within your own fold is injured... GOD GAVE YOU A BRAIN TO THINK WITH>>> DO NOT BLINDLY follow .... and what of all the information you have ignored... why do you debate without fact... hmmmm  
Date: 8/18/2001 6:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    Everything I said is back up by the Word of God(Holy Bible), that is all the fact I need. No matter what people say or think they found, it will not change the fact that the Bible(God's Word) is true. If Pedophiles or other sinners cannot be cured, then I would be the first person to throw away my Bible.  
Date: 8/18/2001 6:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    In 90 percent of the time, All Pedophiles, or sex offenders have been involved with Devil Worship. Before I was a Christian I was involved in Devil Worship. I know what goes on. I never went far as to hurt a child in such a way, but I did come close. When I realize what I was involved in, I got out of the life style, it was Jesus Christ that cured me from Devil Worship. I am no longer a Devil Worshiper, and I praise God for that. It starts out as playing wirth a ouija board, or wicca, (for me it starts out with the game Dungeons and Dragons) that is how it starts out, with this so-called good witchcraft(which is really not good at all), it starts out innocent,then it exsolates to a evil, then you will be a madman. Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying that everyone who is into wicca, or playing with a ouija boards, or plays dungeons and dragons will be a pedophile. But through Devil Worship is how many of these people become pedophiles. I don't have any children or I am not married, but if a did, these Devil Worshipers will not be welcome around my children, I will make sure that I do everything in my power to keep them away from children.  
Date: 8/18/2001 6:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Again, Please, just SHUT UP about that which YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! Go "pray about it" or read some more scriptures, WHATEVER. You're DELUSIONAL, my boy, delusional.  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    I know what I am talking about. What standards do you base on that I don't know what I am talking about  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 38222    I doubt that pedophiles can be cured.Is this turning into another religious debate???***Jmann***
Date: 8/18/2001 7:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    Yo,
Blah blah WORD OF GOD! Thats all nice and all...but justice demands satisfaction RIGHT HERE...RIGHT NOW! Get ya head outa ya bible and take a look around ya. Hold ya bible up and see if that protects you from an assailant...or maybe your head is stuck in a bible because you DID take a look around and decided that looking at words was a better way to pass the time. HELL NO! Stay locked in ya little laa laa land...me..I say frag 'em and bag 'em. If this world is gonna go to Hell in a handbasket then ya might as well send these freaks there a little bit sooner. Peace,
  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    Yes, leave religion out of this, cause it has nothing to do with what this post is about, nor does it help any.  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    Yo AnomalyX,
Well said! Peace,
  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 37354    39697, I figured you were the type ignorant enough to have worshipped the Devil. Pedophiles can be cured, Bill Allison was cured on Nov. 7, 1997. Hugo
Date: 8/18/2001 7:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    I would never think of approaching a child these days, not for any reason! Even if they aren't educated to not talk to strangers, it isn't my place to test them on their knowledge or to tell them what to do. When a child approaches me, and many have, I simply tell them that they shouldn't talk to strangers and I continue on. Also, the only good child molester is a dead on, in my book. Free Girl  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    I meant one. FG  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    Yo 36967,
Yes...I know the Good Book says that everyone can be forgiven...judge not lest ye be judged...do not kill...no more than 2 teaspoons of sugar in a cup of coffee blah blah...okay, so I added the bit about the coffee. But heres a wild thought...why the heck do you think God gave us all freewill and the ability to act on it? Was it a test? Maybe. But maybe...just maybe...God was hoping we'd get off our hineys and take care of the mess thats around us. Why wait until they die before 'God takes care of it'...what about that 'God helps those who help themselves' thingy? Huh? Maybe its time to help God out a little and blow this scum infested world clean of maggots like pedophiles...maybe its time to put the bibles down and grow a pair, grab ya shotgun and start getting busy! Like I said...just a wild thought. Peace,
  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    I meant one. FG  
Date: 8/18/2001 7:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Freegirl, Your "compassion" is overwhelming, my dear "christian". My conscience simply would not let me just leave that little girl all alone in that parking lot! I tried to stress to that parent that she needs to pay closer attention and or teach the child, but she was indifferent, and didn't seem to care. YOU really are C.O.L.D.  
Date: 8/18/2001 9:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    Well...I'm late getting here, but I wanted to add my view on this. Pedophilia is not a disease...it is a condition, much like alcoholism is a condition. It cannot be cured only managed. There will always be the possibility of the person with this condition relapsing. I was reading about Pedophiles and this is something interesting I found...written by a professed pedophile. He states the following...Myth) "'Pedophilia is always treatable'...It is never treatable. One is who one is. I will always be a pedophile. I like adult women, and am even attracted to them sexually all the time-but I am really a pedophile at heart that likes little girls. I also prefer their company most of the time, if and wherever possible. To me, I become most aroused with young girls 8-12 years old. Sounds strange, I know, but this is the way I and many other pedophiles feel. It is simply me. I am a pedophile and I love little girls.....Myth) 'Pedophilia can be cured by castration'. Since pedophilia is more than sex, this is garbage. If you castrate me, I will still love little girls and want to be with them. This is another bogus line popular with uneducated persons who do not understand how deep-rooted pedophilia is. It is more than just sex-it is a state of mind! You cannot cure it with this or with drugs any more than you could cure heterosexuality by doing the same things to that group.".....Well, after reading this....I have to say I am even stronger in my conviction that, NO, pedophiles cannot be cured. Preying on innocent children is the lowest of all crimes....and I do believe that pedophiles should receive a life sentence. I cannot imagine my child having to go through this and carrying it with him all his life. So....for taking away the innocence of a child for his whole life....yes...the pedophile should get life in prison.  
Date: 8/18/2001 10:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    Are any of you pedophiles? Unless you are, you cannot say for certain whether or not they can be cured. I do not believe that every pedophile thinks alike, this disease is different for everybody, and, like all diseases, I believe that it is not impossible for someone to be cured. As for releasing them, you cannot lock someone up because of what urges they have, you have to lock them up if they act upon them. Even if pedophiles cannot be cured, they can learn to control it and not act upon their desires. And so, when you release a pedophile, you should ask yourself, not whether or not this person has been cured, but whether or not he will act upon his urges in the future.  
Date: 8/18/2001 11:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    All I can say is, " I totally agree with The Thinker, she is so right on, Jungabel and Lady Nix, they got right.  
Date: 8/19/2001 12:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 1225    Let us examine the question objectively. What causes a pedophile to act that way? People aren't just born with this illness. There must be a cause. It is common for adults who were frequently abused physically (ie hitting, beating, etc) to do the same to their children so let us assume that the cause of pedophilia is prettymuch the same. Logically the solution would be to remove that element from society altogether and after a generation passes it will be vanquished like polio and smallpox. But unlike physical abuse, the sexual attraction to children is also neurochemically based. So in part, it is an illness from birth. So when these two factors come together (genetic predisposition and abuse) we get a pedophile, somethimes. So how do we end the cycle? Unfortunatly here in the United States the law requires a preset sentence for a crime ie a certain amount of years. Life in prison is 76 years, one average human lifetime. Having been locked up myself (I was aquitted, though) I know what it is like behind bars. I would not wish 76 years on anybody no matter what they did. The use of the death penalty doesn't even exsist anymore in most countries and an increasing number of American States, and then only for capital murder and treason. There has been a method of prevention which, though I personally consider it cruel and unusual punishment, has succeeded: chemical or physical castration. Without the drive of testosterone, a pedophile feels no urge to offend. Unfortunately he also feels no sexual desire at all. I would recommend he methods of Shazina Heider,Ph.D Jeoffrey Marr, Ph.D, and Timothy Laskus, MA. They reccomend a battery of therapy sessions wherein the pedophile confronts his/her desires and explores them to find a reason for their perverted shape. And through that, a means to fix the problem. -*-Neptune-*-  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    36967, I cannot believe that you have the guts to DEFEND a child molester and STILL call yourself a Christian!!! I am a Christian, and I would NEVER defend a monster like that!!!!!! I will tell you this, my very own daughter, (the oldest one, not Amanda) is FOREVER scarred because of a MONSTER like that, and I come here to see YOU defending them in the name of Christ???? NO WAY!! Just do me a favor, do NOT preach to me about YOUR church, or YOUR God, because it is NOT one and the same as mine!!! Ted Bundy, and Jeffery Dahmer in Heaven??? HOW do YOU know that? Did your God tell you????? I think NOT!!! There is NO way for you to know anything of that nature, because God does not allow us to be privvy of a Heaven list!!!!! And you, with NO children!!! How in the world can you even THINK you have an argument in this??????? This post is about pedophiles, NOT YOUR RELIGION!!!! Get a grip, there is NO ONE here who agrees with you and we all have religious backgrounds to some degree, so please take your conceit, and pompous attitude AWAY from me, because you know NOT what you are talking about until you have to sit and hold your daughter for hours on end during the night because she is AFRAID to go to sleeep and dream about this!!! Or until you see your very own child shy AWAY from life and friends because they no longer feel worthy of it!!! OMG, give me a break!!!!!!! You definitely hit a nerve with me, and I do NOT like it!!! Dont you get it??? CHILDREN ARE MOLESTED FOREVER!!!!!!!! Their mindset is FOREVER!!!!! And YOU think it comes with a cure???? Go make yourself a "devil worshiping post"!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! The Thinker, Agent Smith, Jungabel, Lady Nyx, and all you others, thank you so much for your input, at least we all are on the same page, and NOT ON HIS!!! Bearclaw, I am so sorry to lose control here, but this is just TOO much for someone who has ACTUALLY LIVED this horror... Delete this comment if you want to, I will understand... Thanks...  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    Bearclaw, I wanted to pop back on here to apologize to YOU for getting rude on my last reply, but I just couldnt help it. I do think that anyone who has had NO experience like that should NOT provoke those of us who has, AND in the name of Christ too!!!! I repeat, if you want to, you can delete my last comment, I will understand, but to be honest with you, I hope he reads it before you do... Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to vent... Hugggggggs....  
Date: 8/19/2001 4:58:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    *Gives Gail big HUG* No, Gail's post is not one to be deleted. IT IS REAL. REAL....coming from the heart, and she is so RIGHT. The best testimony, is that which comes from someone who has WALKED through that valley, who fights and struggles on a daily basis, to overcome all the horrors left in the aftermath of sexual abuse. Gail, thank you. I've come across many people like this young man. I always hope that these people will pay attention and learn something from the words of survivors; someone who does KNOW these things. Anyway, dearheart, you got me all teary eyed on this sunday morning. Love and hugs,  
Date: 8/19/2001 7:01:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    author 19613.. that is the point.. THEY admit they are gonna do it again.... we still pump em back into society!!  
Date: 8/19/2001 9:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 38474    First off I apologize for this long reply, but I feel I must post it even though it is against my better judgement.

I have seen this type of crime portrayed in two ways by two types of people.

First incident involves my best friend and yes I still call her that even after the horror she commited. I will call her Anne, Anne was molested often. It started at age 3 and continued until she was 12 and would have continued long after that but the aunt that was abusing her died. Annes life was upside down, her aunt had used the common threats that most molesters do to keep her silenced about the abuse. At age 14, Anne did the unthinkable and actually touched a 4 year old girl sexually. The little girl told her father who in turn went to the police and reported it. She admitted what she had done to the police and then told them about her abuse she had suffered. Her parents were so hurt that she never told them what the aunt was doing, but she told them she didn't want her aunt to kill them so she kept her mouth shut. Anne was put into a diversion program, since she was a first time offender and had never been in trouble with law enforcement prior. She went through intensive counseling and was put on probation until she was 18. Since she was a juvenile at the time. Anne went to counseling for three years, until she was 18. At age 29 she has NEVER touched another child again and she says she does not have even the slightest urge to ever do so. She is still remorseful about the abuse to that poor little girl and she has told me there is not one day that goes by that she is not ashamed of her actions.

I personally do not think of her as a pedophile, I think of her as a confused 14 year old who made the biggest mistake of her life and thank god she was caught for it and had the chance to overcome the abuse she suffered as well as the abuse she did with intensive counseling. She did not overcome the horror in her life with God, she did it through hard work and a d@#4 good counselor. I just hope her victim also had the benefit of counseling.

Now the second incident, this is the type I CANNOT STAND, I am a cop and I have to answer a call when it is dispatched to me, I do not get to pick and choose what calls I will take and what I will not. I am to protect and serve all not just certain people BUT I HATE TAKING CHILD ABUSE CALLS, maybe it is because I am a mother and hate to see ANY child hurt.

I answered a call where I had to take a statement from two little brothers who had been molested by their 34 year old babysitter, and yes she was a female also. The little boys told me and my partner everything she had done too them, they were only 5 and 6. THIS WOMAN WAS @#$%^ SICK. It went way beyond just touching and that is all I will say on that. This was not the womans first offense, she has done this twice before to members of her own family. We pulled her record and it was confirmed. This womans own husband turned her in, he had come home early from work that day and caught her, he went to the parents first and told them what he had seen, he awaited our arrival with the children and he bawled the entire time we were there. This womand ruined many lives not just those little boys. She is still awaiting trial and she is facing charges of Gross Sexual Imposition, Rape, Sodomy and a few others I cannot recall at this time. I hope she is convicted and NEVER sees the outside of a jail cell again. She was not listed in our community as a sex offender because she had committed her other offenses prior to that becoming a law.

I think that if a person is caught young enough and has the right counseling, they can be reformed. Notice I did not say "cured". I said reformed. I believe this only will work with a first time offender and only if the person is really willing to commit to the intensive counseling it will take to understand why they did it to start with, as well as how not to do it in the future.

Repeat offenders cannot be reformed, they should go directly to jail for life, and never have the chance to hurt another child.

Who knows if Anne had not been caught when she was could she have ended up like the monster in the second story? I think so. Thank god that little girl had enought strength and trust in her father to tell on Anne so she got the help she needed before becoming a repeat offender.

One thing I learned from all this is YOU NEED TO HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR CHILD. Please listen to them and believe them. You just might be saving your child or another child from years of sexaul abuse............Racquie
  
Date: 8/19/2001 9:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 10722    I agree with the replies so far. I believe those that defend pedophiles are no worse then the pedophiles themselves.  
Date: 8/19/2001 9:11:00 AM  From Authorid: 38474    Sorry for the incorrectly spelled words on my last reply, I was kinda emotional when I was typing it..........Racquie  
Date: 8/19/2001 9:13:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 41706    Gail, you are forgiven. This is an emotional charged issue, and explosive outburst do happen. I don't blame you, it happens to all of us. >Bearclaw<  
Date: 8/19/2001 9:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    I know they can be cured, I cured a teenage pedophile, actually it was Christ that did it. Yes now I can trust him around children, frankly I can trust him more than many other people, and I can say I can even trust him more than many other Christians around children. For those who ask me what right do I have without Children to argue on this subject, the Word Of God does, Yes Religion, Jesus Christ has alot to do with this, if you take Jesus away, then you take away the power for these people to change.  
Date: 8/19/2001 9:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    I ment to refer to those who call themselves Christians, when I said I can trust him more around Children  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    36967 I sure would hate to be in your shoes when God asks WHY did you put children in HARMS way when you KNEW this guy was a pedophile!!! Oh, and it WASN'T without notice that you put YOURSELF first, BEFORE CHRIST, in your comment about curing a pedophile!!! Soooo laughable!!! Why dont you ADDRESS the issues of this post, and the comments made to YOU, instead of spouting all this religion??? Why cant you give an INTELLIGENT answer????? Dont worry, we ALL know why!!! No, you cannot possibly know what anyone feels in this, and there is NO way you can convice me that you are truly that deep into Christianity, because, let me tell you one thing here, you are not the only one who KNOWS the Bible, and KNOWS about Christ, and I KNOW that you are speaking about God, and telling us GOD'S opinions here, when all I have to do is get the Bible out and KNOW that YOU, being a mere human, CANNOT speak for our Glorious God!!! Like I said above, I really feel sorry for you on YOUR "judgement" day with our Lord, He wont be happy about what you have done to the feelings of the people here... TRUE Christians do NOT provoke people in pain...  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    ^^^Will that guy ever knock it off!^^^^  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    36967 again I say you need to look up the definition of a pedophile... and once you see that, then you cannot tell me YOU cured one or your God CURED one.... there is NOT a cure for this .... get it.... NONE..... God can forgive, god can heal hurt.... but NO pedophile can ever be CURED.  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    36967, I challenge YOU to go back and READ all the replies here addressed to YOU and give an INTELLIGENT answer to it without hiding behind God, or trying to give God's opinions, which we ALREADY know!!! Give YOUR opinion and YOURS only... or can you???????  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    Good Point GAIL!!... USE the intellegence given to make sure you know where to allow yourself and your children.... IS like the joke whereas in a flood the person let the boat go by three times declaring that GOD WILL SAVE ME... he dies... god says hey I sent you three boats!!!  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:13:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 41706    Hey Author 36967, how long will the cure last? What happens when the teenager grows up and loses faith or finds another orginization to join? Typical born again sales pitch. >Bearclaw<  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    Thanks Jungabel, my new friend!!! And to TheThinker, no he wont ever knock it off, I think he has a little bit of that sadist persona going... And to BEARCLAW!! Thank you for posting this, because it did allow me to vent, and although I feel as though i betrayed my daughter's confidence, this guy PROVOKED me into it, and I have since talked to her, and told her what I did, and she gave me a HUGE hug and said "Mom, if it helps just ONE person, then it is all worth it" <------ NOW THAT is being a TRUE Christian!!! BearClaw, I hope I didnt upset you and your post, but some of these things HAD to be said, ya know? Love and huggggggggggsss to almost ALL of you   
Date: 8/19/2001 10:16:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    depending on who did it.  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    LOLOLOL, he didnt, or couldnt take the challenge huh???? hehehe, didnt think so!!!  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    Awesome Gail... Good for her and good for you... you have obviously taught your daughter well.... Hugs to HER for allowing this to be heard and talked about and the pain of it SPARED to others hopefully.... 36967... Hugs to you too... cuz someday perhaps when the fog clears, you will have more knowledge available to draw from, due to this whole arguement!!  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:21:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    This case, Christ change the person, then will be forever. But in somecases or many cases, the man tries to do the changes, man cannot change, so they don't change the indivisual, just making the pervert think he/she change. In John 8:34-36, If anyone sins, become a slave to sin, but If the son sets you free, you will be free indeed." That is the words of Jesus himself.  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:26:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    Did you ever stop to think that the "free" you quoted may not mean literally what you think?  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:30:00 AM  From Authorid: 17417    **36967** You replied """I know they can be cured, "I" cured a teenage pedophile, actually it was Christ that did it."""If you believed in your Heart AS YOU SHOULD that GOD did it than why not Delete I CURED A TEENAGE PEDOPHILE,before you hit the submit button...Darling,I have been a Christian for as long as you have been born and I cannot believe that GOD hasn't given you Common Sense along with the Gift of Healing...I am a Grandmother of 24,as I said and I would NEVER repeat NEVER put my Children/Grandchildren/Greatgrandson in harms way like you are proposing...You are Tempting GOD ,Friend and that is not a place I envy...You can Believe with all your Heart and by Faith GOD will provide but to say YOU HEALED,I'm sorry,GOD Healed this teenager,then leave him with your OWN children is something you must experience before you so Blindly claim this as Fact...I will Keep this Offender in My Prayers Darling and I will keep You there as well..."There Are None So Blind As Those Who WILL NOT See"...God Bless,I Remain In Spirit,  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:32:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    Hmmmmmmmm, 36967, I just have ONE thing to say here, How do YOU know he is sincere? You arent God!!! And how do you know the multitudes of prisoners ARENT sincere, because, how did you put it... mmmmmmm... "the man tries to do the changes, man cannot change" (copy/pasted) Who are YOU to judge whether these people are changed or not when TOP experts around the country says a pedophile cannot be changed? I still say, give me an INTELLIGENT answer to ALL of my questions to YOU, and not use God as your shield here... You didnt answer the challenge, it is still posed for you...  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 10722    That guy's gone in over his head, and may drown in this post......  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:37:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 41706    Gail, I'm glad this post helped you and your daughter along the journey of recovery. The truth opens the door to the side of light. Pedophiles have to hide in the shadows. They prey on vulnerable children and use fear to keep the secret. They are more than willing to hide behind the teachings of Jesus, and say anything to get loose again. That's why most of them confess to their crimes, plead guilty and get a lighter sentence. Most of them are very remorseful afterwards. God loves you, >Bearclaw<  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    LOL @ Anomaly X !!!!!!! Leave it to you, hun, to make me LAUGH!!!!! thanks   
Date: 8/19/2001 10:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    Bearclaw!!! Awwwwwww, thanks so much for your loving words of support!!! I think, with your LAST comment here, that you are MORE right than any of us may EVER know... huggggggggggs.......  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    NOW!!!!!! Author 36967, where is your ANSWER to the challenge? I am waiting.......  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:51:00 AM  From Authorid: 10722    Hehe, no problem Gail. He's already drowned, with no one there to "save" him.   
Date: 8/19/2001 10:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    LOL AGAIN @ Anomaly!!! It appears so!! He isnt answering my challenge, and I DO know why, because he has NO experience with this and I, not only DO have experience, I have the years of counseling that I went to with my daughter!!! It would be HARD to trip me up over this, not impossible mind you, but hard... Hey, it feels so good to laugh, and I thank you AnomalyX for that!!!  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 10722    No problem, He just didn't take notice to the swim at own risk signs, maybe next time he will.   
Date: 8/19/2001 12:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Okay, Author 36967, I have waited *patiently* for a long time for you to take my challenge, and it is obvious you arent going to.... so to you, I say, have a nice day.... *goes off victorious* bye all   
Date: 8/19/2001 1:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    I have come to this sickening post (made so by ID 36967) again on request. Gail, you're comment was well merited. My own request, for any Admin who reads this post is that someone kill the account of 36967 on the grounds of sheer ignorance. Next this man will be posting on the evils of Wicca and how it is people who beleive in the Goddess that molest. Well, let me tell you, ignorance and mental illness knows no bounds. You, 36967, are still young, as our dear Linda said. YOU have not experienced enough in this life or world to preach to others, nor, as I have learned from those here, if you really are in your God's faith, you will NOT proselytize the evils of others. So...in my own thoughts, just scamper off and don't come back.  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Amen Persephone!!! Thanks I like your refreshing way of wording things ...  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Thinker, you could be charged with enticing a minor, by putting this child in your car, but I guess you can justify anything you do. Also, being a Christian doesn't make me "perfect". Free Girl  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Thinker, what you did was a crime. It is called, "enticing a minor". Just because you're a "nice lady", doesn't mean what you did was right. Free Girl  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Did you put her bike into your car? And are you in the habit of rescuing kids on their bikes who you feel have strayed too far from home? Thank God you don't live in my neighborhood. Free Girl  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Hey, guys, I really think Free Girl needs to get a CLUE , right along with the "I healed a pedophile" guy, don't ya think? Free Girl, DO YOU EVER ....THINK!!?? Ask yourself this: What if YOU came across a lost kid, out some where....wandering alone in a vunerable place? Would you do a good deed by trying to find out what the situation is, and or possibly returning the child, locating the parents, etc. OR would you just figure it is none of your business and just look the other way? And what if you later found out that child had been snatched and was killed? Would you then WISH you had done SOMETHING!?? Sheesh, girl, YOU are the one who makes no sense here.  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 15394    The Thinker... Free girl is just looking for a fight... and may I add, seeing with blinders on!  
Date: 8/19/2001 1:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    Well...this post really blew up while I was asleep. Good to see GAIL venting a little here...I fully support your words my friend. My sister and I have both had firsthand experience of the effects of being subjected to the sick actions of a pedophile...so as you can imagine I would hold no love nor forgiveness for one. Oh...they CAN be cured...THEY CAN! Theres this new injection you can use...its called lead...9mm lead...injected at high velocity just behind the right ear...that normally cures them quite well. It interests me that someone who calls themselves a Christian seemed to be far more interested in aiding a pedophile than the many hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of pedophilia victims. But...if it makes ya feel better *sarcastic smile* Peace,  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    Free Girl, quite true, The Thinker could be charged with all of those things. I think what she did, however, was more of an illustration for the mother of a dangerous scenario. I know that if I had a child and a strange woman, such as Thinker, showed up on my doorstep with my daughter/son, and said "Your child accepted a ride with me and I am a stranger, perhaps you need to teach them better." I would for one, wonder why this person gave my kid a ride, and two, be rather grateful for the fact that she wasn't harmful and now I know I need to teach my child that man or woman, people can be dangerous. The Thinker was not doing this to hurt anyone, moreso to get a point across to the parent and the child-something along those lines. That she works with these sorts of cases, too, I am sure is motivation for her to ensure the safety of children. What she did is no different than police on the other end of the computer tracking children down and then warning their parents that the child gives out too much information on the internet. Either way, I personally am grateful for those instances when safety is the interest. By the way, just because I am not Christian does not mean I am evil or a bad person, nor does it make me envision Christians as perfect. What does aggravate me is when people declare themselves "not perfect" even though they are Christians. Christian or not, no one person on this entire earth is perfect. And again, sorry, I don't beleive a convicted, adult pedophile can be reformed or rehabilitated.  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    If I might please add-I would like to point out that on this one posting, many of us who normally may disagree have united on one common cause. Perhaps this might be grounds to simply just see each other as the emotional human beings we are and not identify one another based upon our religions? Just a thought, and a *hug* to Linda and one to Gail and Thinker and Jungabel and Anom X , and Racquie....Oh no, I'm in that emotional mood!!! lol. Anyways...everyone, I'd rather not say how I know so much about pedophiles, but I'll tell how I DONT, I'm not one, and I've never been molested (at least I don't think...memories and actions have been contrary).  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Persephone, thanks. No, I'm not looking for a fight - just curious as to the circumstances surrounding Thinker's rescue. You never mentioned she was lost - how did you come to that conclusion. You said she only lived a few blocks away and you also said she was on a bike - obviously she got there on her own. As far as this being your line of work - Ah! Now I see your interest! You're the knight in shining armor, so to speak, out rescuing the damsels in distress, right? Or should I say, the children in distress? Of course, had you brought my child home, it goes without saying, you'd be in jail, because it would be no different if you were a male pedophile - what you did was a CRIME. Free Girl  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Sorry for the double take. FG  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 29806    Just to get something straight here. Pedophiles and Child Molesters are two different things. Child molesters are self explanitory. Pedophiles are more passive, and just like to fantasize about children and are too shy to try anything.(It's still sick though.) And another thing, sitting with our thumbs up our backsides waiting for "Jesus" to cure child molestors, rapists, murderers isn't gonna do anything. -ID-  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 29806    Since I don't trust in Christ as my savior, I'm no better then the pedophiles? That's intolerance and hatred right there. But. One way we could cure the pedophiles could be a la A Clockwork Orange, strap them down and force them to watch what they do until they feel sick everytime they THINK of it. Of course,they have to add that unnamed serum that they use in the movie into their bloodstream. -ID-  
Date: 8/19/2001 2:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Free Girl, Persephone got it right. WHY can't you?
The child told me where she lived. I never said SHE was lost. I was asking YOU in a hypothetical sense WHAT YOU would do in a situation. She was ALONE, in a large, secluded (no one around) area, and I approached her to try to find out WHY .....WHY...she was out there all alone!! I felt that that was dangerous for a child, alone and unsupervised. If THAT was a "crime", then I am very willing to take ANY consequences because the child's welfare is WORTH IT! Do you get it now!??
  
Date: 8/19/2001 3:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 3093    I believe that Pedophiles cannot be cured. it is a mental disorder which cannot be cured. It's like trying to turn someone who is gay straight after being gay for so many years. it's like telling a dog to stop being a dog. like telling a child to stop being a child.

Pedophiles are just like child molesters. they're both trying to feed they're own pleasures and get they're kicks off.

no... I believe anyone who would dare to try and make a child feel older when so young should be inprisoned. They should have they're own prison and they should be put off on some island somewhere where they can all eventually croak...

but as for your question, no, pedophiles, child molesters and others who are mentally disturbed should not be released.

one last thing, I believe it's more then 70% or 80% of all criminals released from jail return within 5 years for a similiar crime. It's not just edophiles, you just think it is because they're lower then murderes and rapists and everyother kind of criminal out there.
  
Date: 8/19/2001 5:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 38474    I believe Thinker acted in good faith when she returned the child to her home. She technically by the OHIO revised code DID NOT BREAK ANY LAW regarding enticement of a child.

This is O.R.C. section # 2905.05. It is on page # 31 under kidnapping and extortion.

It states that (A) no person, by any means, without priviliege to do so, shall knowingly solicit, coax, entice, or lure any child under the age of 14 into any vehicle whether or not the offender knows the age of the child,

(1)if the actor does not have implied or expressed permission of the parent, guardian, or other legal custodian in undertaking the activity, or
(2) if the actor is not a law enforcement officer, medic, firefighter or other person who regularly provides emergency services, and is not an employee or agent of, or a volunteer acting under the direction of any board of education, or the actor is any of such persons, but at the time, the actor under takes the activity, he is not acting within the scope of his lawful duties in that capacity.
(B)It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A) of this section that the actor undertook the activity in response to a bona fide emergency situation or that the actor undertook the activity in a reasonable belief that it was necessary to preserve the health, safety, or welfare ot the child.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of criminal child enticement, a misdemeanor of the first degree. Which is punishable by a term of 6 months and a maximum fine of $1,000.

Thinker acted in good faith to preserve the health, safety and welfare of the child, therefore she committed no crime and would not go to jail. What if she had not acted and the next person to see the child alone and unattended was a John Gacy wannabe? What would we be saying then? "Why didn't someone stop and help that little girl before that monster got her?" That is the quote so often used when nothing is done.

If anyone should be in jail it should be the parent on the charge of child neglect. If you are a parent you should actually know where your kids are and not let them out of your site outside, anyone can get abduct them and most of the time it is not a nice, caring, helpful citizen like Thinker that stops, it is a sick and twisted individual and you never know what becomes of the child until it is too late................Racquie
  
Date: 8/19/2001 5:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Racquie, You said it much better than I , but your last paragraph about WHY I did what I did, and the "What IF's", was what I was TRYING to ask Free Girl, But she just refuses to or can't see it. I will tell you that last year, a nightshift worker was going home when he spotted a little girl wandering the streets in just her pajama's. The streets were deserted. He pulled over and ask the little girl why , where, what, etc. but the little girl would only say "A-me-ya". Well, the guy didn't want to leave her there in the middle of the street for fear she might get run over, or possibly kidnapped. He put her in the car and drove right to the police station, and a few hours later the police department got a call from a woman who was frantic her daughter was missing, and described her daughter. When the woman found out her daughter was safe, and what happened, she had nothing but prasie for the guy who rescued her. There was a lovely story in the papers about the whole thing and what a "hero" the guy was. There was never ANY one saying what he did was a crime. The little girl had had "sleep walking" incidents before, but had never gotten out of the house like that. It was so scary. She was 4 years old.  
Date: 8/19/2001 6:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Thinker, some friendly advice. Before you go around rescuing children from some perceived danger in your mind, you'd better be careful. Some parents may not be so understanding, and jail could seem mild. Free Girl  
Date: 8/19/2001 6:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Free Girl, You are being a TOTAL jerk! *throws in the towel on this one^^^^^^^*  
Date: 8/19/2001 6:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Thinker, some friendly advice. I showed this post to several of my buds, and we all agree. Before you decide to "rescue" some kid on your idea of a perceived "danger", you'd better be careful. Some parents may not be as understanding as this little girl's was. Free Girl  
Date: 8/19/2001 6:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Whatzamatta, did I strike a nerve? Free Girl  
Date: 8/19/2001 6:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 16877    I am not adding to debate. I certainly don't think they deserve another chance of living, they're completly sick and nuts, just the thought of what they have done to those poor children, makes wanna me puke!! Yuck....  
Date: 8/19/2001 7:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 34078    I think TRINITY SEEKER said it well.  
Date: 8/19/2001 7:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 34361    Well thank you. I know this is such a touchy subject. And I've been in a few arguments before but I really hate to see you guys fighting like this. The bottom line is, NO child should ever be risked by allowing a pedophile to roam loose. PERIOD! Whether they can be cured or Not. Our Childrens, their childrens, and so on, Entire LIVES are at stake here. It's simply Not worth the risk. And my heart breaks for those of you that have personally been effected, or know someone who has been by such tragic events. I am so sorry for the pain you're going through. Please you all, let's not fight about this any longer...  
Date: 8/19/2001 8:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Agent Smith, I AGREE with you!!! Thanks for replying here, and showing some of these CLOSED minded individuals that we do have more support!!! TheThinker, YOU GO GIRL!!! If that had been MY child that you picked up, you would have gotten an healthy REWARD!!! I think a lot of parents are just too trusting in their hometown, they dont REALIZE what can happen, and you certainly showed that Mom that her child had NO business running the streets alone!!! I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT!!! Persephone, thank you for your support too!! I realize that I had gone over the edge on Author 36967 above and jut to KNOW that there are people here who support my ideas about these SICK monsters really makes ME feel better!!! There is a hugggggggggggggggg for each one of you, and Bearclaw too!!! I really DO feel better about this situation and I also feel better KNOWING my daughter thinks it is okay to try to help anyone deal with this issue. This post DID blow up, but from what "I" see it is the RADICAL Christians, you know, the ones who want to shove it down your throat at ANY expense!!! You know, the ones who HAVE to have you beon their side, REGARDLESS of the outcome, even with children!!! That makes me SICK!!! I am a Christian, and my faith in God is just as strong as anyone elses and I feel so INSULTED by the actions of those who INSULT people, ACCUSE people, and PROVOKE people, in the name of GOD!!!! I really feel sorry for them, for they are clueless *goes out shaking head*...  
Date: 8/19/2001 8:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Author 36967, and Free Girl, it is really sad when self proclaimed Christians come on to a serious post, and do nothing but wreak havoc and PROVOKE people's emotions, I am sad, and shocked!!! I am a Christian and I thank GOD that I am not like that!!! Free Girl, I looked back over this post and saw that you came on it, with your first reply with the provervial "loaded gun" aimed at The Thinker? How Christian is that??? I dont even know you, and I am shocked at that behavior!!! What we were talking about here was Pedophiles, and child molesters, NONE of us asked, nor none of us WANTED a sermon!!! I have a minister and my very own power of prayer for that... You came on here to insult and provoke, and for what reason, I do not know... but it is obvious. I do pray to MY God, that nothing EVER happens to any one of your kids, because if it does, you will sadly remember this post and how you insulted those of us who it DID happen to... That ONE comment you made (let me copy/paste it) ""From Authorid: 27678 Whatzamatta, did I strike a nerve? Free Girl"" was so childish and insulting that it made ME mad!!! SOOOOO sad THIS is!!!! ..... Jungabel!!!!!!!!!! My friend!!!! Thank you, Thank You, Thank YOU!!!!  
Date: 8/19/2001 8:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Jungabel, my friend and my supporter here, I thank you for your support both here and in Private message over this touchy subject, you really HELPED me a lot!!! And so did a few others, Anomaly X being one of them.... You guys are the BEST and do NOT deserve some of the comments here... I have just ONE more thing to say here... 36967 did NOT ever come back to accept my challenge, and you know why? Because he KNEW I was right and had NOTHING to defend HIS stance with... Hugggggggggsssssss to all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (you know who you are)...  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 31145    Although sexual exploitation of children is shocking, such badness is not surprising to careful Bible readers. Why so? Because we are now living in what the Bible calls the last days and, according to Gods Word, critical times hard to deal with are here. (2 Timothy 3:1-5, 13) So is it any wonder that morals have gone from bad to worse? However, the Bible points forward to the only solution to the worlds huge problems a total cleanup by Almighty God. Soon he will manifest his power and remove all those on earth who do not abide by his righteous principles and laws: The upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth. Proverbs 21, 22; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9. Those cut off will include all who make prostitutes of children and corrupt people who misuse children. Gods Word states: Neither fornicators . . . nor adulterers . . . . will inherit Gods kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6, 10) It adds that those who are disgusting in their filth . . . and fornicators will be consigned to the second death eternal destruction. Revelation 21. God will cleanse the earth and usher in a completely new and just system of things,new heavens and a new earth. (2 Peter 3:13) Then, in that new world of his making, corrupt, perverted people will never again take advantage of innocent ones. And never again will the innocent have to fear being victimized, for there will be no one making them tremble. Micah 4:4.  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 19220    I think they should just life in Prision. Well I just read all the replies and I think many people here have said it well. 36967..do the parents at your church know that YOUR CHURCH has OKed these "people" to be around THEIR children? Free Girl...wouldn't you feel horrible if the child you seen had been hurt when all you needed to do was ask her where her mother was? It just gets me, people bacially saying it's ok for these people to hurt children as long as they turn to God after....makes me ill!  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 31145    thinker, How can you possible say that those two men are in hell? Are you judging THEIR hearts? How dare you suggest that, when you dont have a clue as to what was going on in their heads, most of the killers have serious mental problems, can you really blame the person? Eph.:4:32:"become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving on another just as GOD also by christ FORGAVE YOU." Those men, and many others paid for the things they did intentionally/unintentionally, and just like the bible says "the wages of sin is death." And besides in Ezek.18:4:"The soul that is sinning --it itself will die." And everyone is sinful, are we not??  
Date: 8/19/2001 10:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 31145    oh I forgot to add the scripture to "The wages sin pays is death."-Rom.63 & in Rom.6:"He who has died has been ACQUITTED from his sin."  
Date: 8/20/2001 4:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    They are welcome in the church, but not to work with the children, unless it is evident that there is a change, must be evident without a doubt, in most cases there is doubt, so we do not let them work with children. But for those who do change and show evidence of it beyond any doubt, then would be a different situation. But in many cases the person is just using Christ's name to do whatever he pleases. There is a saying one doubt and it is out. Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is Oked to be around Children. We as strict fundementalist's do use our brians, and we also work under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.  
Date: 8/20/2001 6:34:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    46967 Your statement is in direct contradiction to your previous one... YOU said you would let your children be around them... now they are allowed in church with only the smartest and brightest of your group to judge when they changed enough... THE point is ... if you beleive they have changed .... then you are the ones being played, because there is NO CURE!!!  
Date: 8/20/2001 6:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    36967 that was!! LOL  
Date: 8/20/2001 7:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Kaki or Kari (however you spell it), IF I really gave you the answer that I want to, it would FOR SURE be deleted! I do swear, I think NONE of you bible thumpin', preachin', scripture quotin', high-toned, holier-than-thou "Christians" NONE OF YOU READ!! Anyone.........ANYONE of you, IF you would only come down off that high horse and USE YOUR BRAINS, instead of reading some words in a mythical book, written by man, in a time very unlike today, for very different reasons, and go around telling PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNOW.......that they don't know what they are talking abour!! No, you and that "I saved a pedophile" guy, and Free Girl, should just go right on over to the religious section and sing "Kum Bay Yah" or something and stick to what you all know and do best: Quote scriptures and talk about the "end times" and what "heaven" is gonna be like, ok? Leave these matters to those who HAVE EXPERIENCED it and KNOW what they are talking about, and....whose minds, hearts, concerns, are REALITY BASED. This is the REAL world. Not La-La Land. Now, I am done with this. Anyone else want to *TRY* to reason with the religious fanatics, have at it. Everyone else, you have been wonderful, very helpful, and I sense your pain, feel your thoughts, and always will stand up against child abuse and sexual predators/pedophilia. Anyone can message me anytime, for anything. Thank you all for sharing your personal stories. Heartfelt appreciation to you all.  
Date: 8/20/2001 8:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    How am I contradiction myself. As far as pedophiles are concerned, I agree that there are many that will use religion to say what they want. Those people should not even be around period. Such people I would not want to be around Children. Our church will not allow pedophiles to work with Children unless it is beyond any doubt they will not do it agian. One doubt and it is out. Unless they repent(and that is possible), pedophiles will end up in hell when they die. The reason why it is so difficult or in some cases impossible for a pedophile to change is that 90 percent of them are into devil worship. When you are into Devil Worship, you get hooked right into it, and it is impossible to get out. Many of these rituals in satan worship, require a form of pedophilia. So many surveys have been done. It started out as using a ouija board, or wicca, or dungeons and dragons, but it increase to such evil as pedophilia. For those of you who are Christians, tell me something, how can you get anymore into Satanism that to do such sick crimes against children, what could be more satanic than that. I know about Satan Worship, because I been there. The only way they could have a prayer to change is to convince then that they need to leave the satan worship. I do support life in prision for pedophiles, just like murder.  
Date: 8/20/2001 8:42:00 AM  From Authorid: 34476    Racquie has given the most reasonable reply I have read here (Date: 8/19/2001 9:06:00 AM From Authorid: 38474) It seems to me if Pedophilia is a CHOICE and not a disease, one COULD be rehabilitated at some point. Once past a certain point, tho, I would say these offenders will be beyond the point of rehabilitation. Whether one draws the line at a certain age, a certain amount of TIME, or a certain amount of convictions is something I do not have the wisdom to judge.  
Date: 8/20/2001 9:49:00 AM  From Authorid: 31145    Thinker, your comments about the "mythical book" tell me that you are unfamiliar with the bible. The bible is not only scientifically, medically, and prophetically accurate, its advice on family relations as well as life in general is the best advice availble. Your comments therefore are unfounded. best wishes ~kari~  
Date: 8/20/2001 12:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 12600    I really don't know if Pedophiles can be cured. But regardless of whether they can or not...I would never, I repeat **NEVER** let one of them near my children. I would really have to wonder about anybody who would. And being SAVED and being "CURED" of a serious illness are two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT issues. If I get "saved" and I have cancer, it doesn't automatically make me "cancer-less", does it? What kind of "logic" is that? At any rate, IMHO the "safest" place for these people, ever how "cured" they profess to be, is far far away from ANY children. ~peace~  
Date: 8/20/2001 12:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    Yo THINKER,
Thank you so much for 'breaking off some' on these religious fanatics who really appear devoid of a clue. Peace,
  
Date: 8/20/2001 1:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    Yo KARI/KAKI,
You state: "The bible is not only scientifically, medically, and prophetically accurate, its advice on family relations as well as life in general is the best advice availble. Your comments therefore are unfounded." WHAT? BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA! Sorry...but come on...isn't that what FAITH is for? Because there is SOOOOOO much in the bible that CANNOT be proven? You say 'scientifically proven'...please...prove to me scientifically how someone can walk on water, change water into wine, come back to life etc etc etc etc...YOU CAN'T can you? nope nope nope...so it seems it is YOU who has the 'unfounded comments'. *Reality calling...time to check back in* Peace,
  
Date: 8/20/2001 2:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    I think some people need to just stick to the subject and not change it by bringing the bible into it. It's not what this post was intended for.   
Date: 8/20/2001 3:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 38474    Thats what I was thinking Anomaly X, couldn't have said it any better myself, this post is not supposed to be about religion.............Racquie  
Date: 8/20/2001 10:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    """"I think NONE of you bible thumpin', preachin', scripture quotin', high-toned, holier-than-thou "Christians" NONE OF YOU READ!! Anyone.........ANYONE of you, IF you would only come down off that high horse and USE YOUR BRAINS, instead of reading some words in a mythical book, written by man, in a time very unlike today, for very different reasons, and go around telling PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNOW.......that they don't know what they are talking abour!!"""
Gail, Kari, and all you other Christians who blasted me for gettin' down on The Thinker - if you will read the above statement, and it is only one of many, many that she continuously makes about Christians in general, then you should understand why I have responded in the way I have on this post. The Thinker has told me repeatedly to shut my mouth and that I do not know what I am talking about. She also tells others these things on a continual basis. I realize that she is some type of counselor for people who have suffered abuses, but this does not give her the edge on the brains department and it certainly does not give her the right to continually and incessantly insult and degrade Christians as being ignorant and defective mentally, as a group, and personally, I just got sick of it. I realize that many Christians think it is just fine to turn the other cheek. She, herself, on her own post, claims that turning the other cheek makes one a "doormat". Well, I'm no doormat, and if standing up to her is wrong, then that is between God and me. If you guys think it is alright for her to continually blast Christians, just for being Christians, then you are the Christians who are tolerating all the evil going on in our nation and the world and you would do well to remember Proverbs 8:13 "The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate." I am one Christian who will follow the words of the Bible and I will not be humiliated by one who hates my God and His Word. The rest of you are welcomed to do as you will, but the Thinker is well aware of what is going on here and I feel the need to explain is no longer necessary. Also, if I ran across a child I felt was in danger, I would do one thing and that is TO CALL THE POLICE. It is their job, also, to protect children from pedophiles and in this day and age, it is dangerous, in my opinion, to intervene in the affairs of another family and in particular, if you do not have family of your own. Sorry, but I have a right to my opinion, and fortunately, I do not feel that the Thinker is ignorant and does not know what she is talking about by voicing her opinion, but she was asking for a little admonishment from me due to another post, and she got it. I apologize for any pain I caused any of the other repliers. Now, I'll go back to being my sweet self, and no, I will not stay in the religious section, cause nobody tells me where I belong. Free Girl
  
Date: 8/20/2001 10:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 31145    freegirl, I did not blast you, nor did I say anything to you. What goes on between you and the thinker is nobody elses business. So, i dont understand why you added my name.  
Date: 8/21/2001 4:52:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    Free Girl, your comment, long as it was, attacking TheThinker was totally uncalled for. I dont know what your problem is with her, but I disagree with her bashing all the Christians... I AM A CHRISTIAN and she has always shown me respect and never once has been rude to me, so maybe it is just YOU??? She, like you, like me, like everyone is entitled to her/our opinions, if she is NOT Christian, it is no ones business but HERS!!! She is a sweet caring person and I will defend her and I will NOT catagorize her like you just did... MY God tells me NOT to judge people, that is His job... Sorry, Free Girl, you are wrong here. We, as Christians are supposed to lovingly guide people to God, if that is possible... NOT HOLLAR and scream at them if they dont want our guidance... Calm down, and everything will be ok...  
Date: 8/21/2001 6:03:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    **WHY did she have to hit the submit button 5 times?** Free Girl, You really are PUSHING the envelope. As I said, before, MANY times: You do not read, and only glean or take bits of a post, then run over to another story and misquote or twist it around. Don't you know that people can see that? Don't insult people's intelligence by doing that. I didn't say that I felt that by turning the other cheek, one is a doormat. I ASK A QUESTION: "Do you feel like a person is a doormat by turning the other cheek?" BIG difference. I am well aware of what is going on here. So do most others here (as my messages and e-mails reflect). It is YOU that can't get a clue.
Please, stick to the topic; answer questions that people ask you; state things in a personal opinion (your own) way, or on a factual basis, and don't take it personal if someone disagrees and or pokes holes in your statements and often biased "facts" you cut and paste on the board. Message or e-mail Karma Killer, I'm sure she would gladly give you some pointers on Debate. We can all learn from her, as she is the best. Now, these "attacks" on Christians you claim that I do?
Free Girl, the only time I "attack" (not an attack) is the few who REFUSE to look at another's view, in a rational, sensical manner, and ignore questions but just continue to spew out scriptures, or bring religion into a topic when religion has nothing to do with it. I could go on, explaining, but Free Girl, I've LEARNED that you don't read such things, especially coming from ME. Perhaps if I were just a self proclaimed "christian" (regardless of whether there is any truth to it)you would pay attention to what I say.
  
Date: 8/21/2001 7:13:00 AM  ( CL-Admin )   Dear Fellow-USM'ers, I must say I find it disturbing that a debate on such a serious subject seems to have turned into a religious debate ... for debates on Religion we do have a religious section!!! ... please people stick to the subject and debate ... not bash eachother and eachothers religious belief ... it just doesn't belong here!
Date: 8/21/2001 9:30:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 41706    Wow, I've caused a holy war. I'm new to this site, but it seems to me that some of the respondents of this post have an on going feud that they carry over from past disagreements. Aggressive preaching will not convert a soul, and shouting matches only drowned out the subjest matter. I hope all of you realize that carrying on like children doesn't refect well to those that look to you as a role model. This debate was about sexual predators that lurk in our society and prey on our children. It had nothing to do about religion, but everthing to do with medical science. I haven't seen one response about the doctor who claims that pedophiles can be cured but doesn't know how. These professional are the ones that are putting these animals back into our society and endangering our children so they can prove that their fragile theories are correct. And when they are wrong, well better luck next time. So all these people who went off on a holy crusade so they could prove that they are right, you did at the cost of the children. Would you leave your child behind to chase a fool's crusade? I now know some of you would, because you proved here this week. And to the preachers on this post, were you preaching to convert an unbeliever or were just trying to provoke a fight? You may think you are saved, but God still judges you by your actions and your intentions. God be with you all, >Bearclaw<  
Date: 8/21/2001 9:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 34476    You are right on all counts, Bearclaw. I see no doctors replying here either, proving how a pedophile can be cured. There are some opinions, tho, which seem to indicate a belief in change or reformation of character, no matter what the crime. You are also right on the money as far as a "holy" war going on. There are 2 sides here which seem to "do battle" every so often, no matter what the issue. To answer your question: No, I don't believe these people should be let loose on society unless they are reformed. How does one prove this reform has taken place or can be done? I have no idea, as I am not a psychologist or a doctor. I have no stats to back up my assertions, just my opinion. I personally believe anyone can change. The key is replacing a "bad" or "criminal" habit with a good one. When you try to change something you do, some other action will take its place.  
Date: 8/21/2001 9:56:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 41706    Thank you, Paranoid. Maybe now we can debate this sensitive issue with some maturity. >Bearclaw<  
Date: 8/21/2001 1:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    Awwwww, poor Bearclaw!!! I want to go on record saying that I do not have a problem with anyone on this site, in fact, AUTHOR ID# 36967 and I have private messaged each other and got our differences straightened out, and he really does listen to us. This particular debate was like a thorn in my side since my daughter was molested by what the COURTS called a pedophile... Of course my replies are "passionate" because of all the intense pain that we all went through!!! I AGREE with what Admin CL said, this should have never turned into religion bashing, I sincerely dont like doing that either. But I just cannot see how some people can come to a debate and start throwing that around as their "leverage" and to the point of BASHING a member who donesnt have the same beliefs. That is NOT what we are here for. That isnt what this debate is about. I still thank everyone for their loving support, here on this DEBATE and in private message. You are all loving and caring, now matter what you believe in... NOW ABOUT THE DEBATE... I STILL do not believe pedophiles can be cured... thanks   
Date: 8/21/2001 4:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 37354    I do not believe it is impossible to change behavior,it my be impossible to eliminate the urges but it is certainly possible to restrain them. The success rate is what we are arguing about here. If 75% are uncurable and it is not possible to determine the 25% who are curable from the 75% who are not, then how does society protect itself. Hugo
Date: 8/21/2001 4:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 37354    To Thinker I publicly apoligize for some of my comments when I first entered this site. I now understand the situation, I have personally never seen such bigotry from Christans like that on this site. Hugo
Date: 8/23/2001 1:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 3321    Actually, if you don't mind my addition, CL Admin, the religious section is off limits for debating of any kind. Religious debates are restricted to the Debate column based on the theory that the religious column would serve as a sort of sanctuary for different religions to reside. I would also like to bow and accept my award from 36967 for, according to him, being evil because I am branched off of Wicca, and for, according to him, being a "future pedophile." No thanks, man. That's some sick stuff and I want no part in it. Are you sure that you aren't a convicted pedophile?  
Date: 1/16/2003 11:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 38474    I still can't believe some of the replies here..  

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