Date: 10/7/2001 9:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
I hate Bin Laden.  |
Date: 10/7/2001 9:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Amen Rika!!! I know we arent supposed to HATE, but that man has caused horrendous problems worldwide!!!  |
Date: 10/7/2001 9:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
I heard a lot of that on the news Shelly, but I thank you for sharing ALL of it with us... :)  |
Date: 10/7/2001 9:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 39343
Again Rika, Very well said. -gyork99  |
Date: 10/7/2001 9:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 40145
It is Bin Laden's doing no matter what you think he didn't  |
Date: 10/7/2001 9:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
Why thank you Gail and gyork! :) *shrugs modestly* :) lol  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 41744
he is a VERY VERY sick man. WickedHatchetgirl  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 37809
I think Bin Laden has been eating too many wacky mushrooms if you know what I mean.  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
lmao@DGNR84Life  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
Wow, I leave for a few minutes and look at what happens, lol. I agree with each and everyone of you. Gail, I know what you mean about not being supposed to hate. But that is the only feeling I can conjur for this man. I heard my 8 year old daughter say that she hated him the other day and I cringed, because I don't believe in saying that but, I understood how she felt. Then I had to try to put my strong feelings aside and try to explain to her why we shouldn't say we hate someone. Let me tell you, it was not easy to tell her this while I was feeling so much hate in my heart.  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
Author 40145, I hope you didn't think that I was saying he didn't do it. I have no doubt he did do it. I posted this in response to somone he said that his speech proved he didn't. ***Shelly***  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Well, Shelly, I know what you did with your daughter was right for you, but I wouldnt and didnt do that with my kids. I have 3 and Amanda is my last one, she is 18. I have always allowed my kids to have their feelings. I told them at various parts of their lives that their feelings of hate were "valid" feelings, and they needed to work through them, find closure, so it wouldnt eat a hole through them. But I didnt tell them NOT to hate, because I always felt that even children were human. Even feelings of hate is REAL to them... I do admire you if it works for you :)  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
You know what the worst thing is? I WANT her to hate him, because it lets me know that she mourns for the innocent lives as much as I do. I think you are right in saying she's justified in these feelings. And I realize by telling her not to hate is not going to change that feeling. I guess hearing it out loud just hit a nerve, and I was taught never to say that I hate someone. I guess upbringing dictates how we think. I admire YOU for having the courage to let them express their feelings, no matter how uncomfortable it may make us. I think you are right. I think I'm going to sit down and have her talk about her feelings with me. It can't be any worse then the birds and the bees discussion was, lol. ***Shelly***  |
Date: 10/7/2001 10:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 7786
OSAMA BIN LADEN MUST DIE! BURN AND FRY!  |
Date: 10/7/2001 11:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
LOL, Shelly, yep the birds and bees and all that goes with them are much worse!!! Well, to finish the story of my kids, they are all good kids. I dont see eye to eye with my oldest daughter, and we do have our problems... but on the whole, my three kids are great!!! None of them drink, do drugs, never been in trouble at school or with the law, or run the streets. They are all self supporting!!! They are productive members of society!!! My son is 27, oldest daughter is 25, and Amanda is 18. I am so very proud of my kids!!! Especially since a lot of my friends have had their kids in jail and things that arent favorable to society. Live was far from perfect in their growing up years, but we all get along really good as a family unit, and we all have a lot of love for each other. If their "hate" side does come out, it is so very seldom that I just never see it... HATE is a valid emotion... to NOT allow someone to voice it is like saying they are feeling feelings that are NOT valid... Huggggggs.....  |
Date: 10/7/2001 11:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
To Author only, your absolutely right he will turn a deaf ear. I know what you are saying, that is how I explain it, and I feel the same way. I guess that's why it bothered me. Thank you for commenting. ***Shelly***  |
Date: 10/7/2001 11:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
Lol, Gail, I don't know who that talk was worse for, me or my daughter. I'm glad I did it though. Not knowing the ins and outs can get a girl into trouble these days. Some people have told me she was to young to understand any of this yet, but believe me she did understand. I even asked her to explain it back to me and she did it perfectly. In my opinion it's better that she know the consequences now, then find out when it's already to late. And in this day and age of girls getting pregnant at 11 and 12, I figure if they are old enough to understand they are old enough to be told. Ya know. I've been trying to talk my husband into talking to his nine year old son about it but he's pretty hesitant, lol, men. So his mother will have to venture that discussion. I don't think I even fully understood the first time I experienced it. And I was pretty young. If my parents had been brave enough to talk to me about it I would have never done it that early. My daughter asked me almost two years ago (when I was pregnant with my son) how babies came out of your belly. So I sat down and drew a diagrahm for her. She understood and can still tell me to this day how they come out. Now she knows the rest. I've always been as honest as possible when she asks me a question, I guess I can't find a logical reason not to be. There is a ten year old girl in my neighborhood that has already hit puberty and all the symptoms that come with it. Everything happens earlier and earlier as time goes on. It's scary but I figure if I'm prepared, it might not be so bad. Sorry I keep chewing your ear off, lol. We are soooo far off the subject, lol. ***Shelly***  |
Date: 10/8/2001 1:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 1225
Hmm, he makes a good point...oh wait a minute! I forgot that I wasn't insane!  |
Date: 10/8/2001 12:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 15998
I think he has problems and that he needs some serious anger management classes. And actually, this whole speech of his proves to me that he did it. What a sick-o. He fruity.... but did u hear about the American journalist who was talking to the Afganistan journalist? (sounds like a joke doesn't it? lol) But seriously, the american guy asked the other dude if in Bin Laden's speech he was admitting that he planned the attack... the Afgan dude ignored the question.... makes me think...  |
Date: 10/8/2001 12:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 12600
I agree with the above author^^ (1225). Although this doesn't forgive what has been done nor does it make it "ok", but he does have a point. We in America have NO IDEA what it is like to live over there. They are constantly at war. As we sit in our CHA homes and heat up our frozen dinners in our microwave ovens, cuddled up on the sofa watching a movie with our new DVD player...they lose people DAILY. For 80 years...Good God...we could not even imagine. Their children die...and who mourns for them...who has come running to their aide?? I DO NOT agree with what happened on 9-11. He had a message and went about sending it the wrong way. And he apparently does have some "issues" but one would be foolish not to think about what he has said. Also, I doubt very seriously that the strikes against Afghanistan matter very much to them. I feel that it is obvious by their statements that they will get us, if they haven't already....and I feel like they probably have and we just don't know it yet. ~peace~  |
Date: 10/8/2001 12:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
You're right Teep, we don't know what it's like to live in Afghanistan. But I want to make two points here. 1) Neither does Bin Laden, if he was so concerned about the Afghanis are living then why doesn't he contribute to helping them, with some of the multi-million dollars he has, rather then using it to build arsenals. Another thing that goes along with this point is, he's a hypocrit, if he was really concerned for these people, he wouldn't be causing them to starve to death. He and his organization have been opressing them for decades. 2) Say for a minute that he REALLY was concerned, and he REALLY was trying to help these people. What exactly does any of this have to do with America? America is not the cause for they way they are living. Because we live comfortable lives here doesn't mean that we are to blame for them not living comfortable lives. None of the reasoning makes any sense to me, but I suppose to those he has brainwashed, it does. Please don't take this as an attack on you. I understand what you are saying, and I know you aren't trying to condone what he's done. I'm sorry for the way they have to live, but I am not sorry for Bin Laden, who has been a great cause of most of the lifestyle they are forced to live. I understand completely what you are trying to say, and I'm not trying to attack your statement, I'm trying to attack his statement. hugs ***Shelly***  |
Date: 10/8/2001 12:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
Author 1225, lol, too funny.  |
Date: 10/8/2001 12:50:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
He Scooter, did you hear the one about the Priest, the rabbi and the shaman? LOL just kidding. But I did see an American journalist, talking to the Prime Minister of the Taliban. I would have been scared to death. Not to mention angry. How can you stand there and talk to someone who condoned killing all those people, without fearing for your life or wanting to do away with them? I could never be a war journalist. ***Shelly***  |
Date: 10/8/2001 12:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 12600
I know, Shelly. And I don't think for one moment that you are trying to attack me...and I thank you for that. It's just so hard for most people to try and see both sides of the coin. It is really nice to meet someone else who can view things objectively. And I totally agree...Bin Laden is a coward. If this means so much to HIM, then why didn't he ride on one of those planes?? Or give up some of his money to his suffering people?? I just feel for these people who are born into this and have no choice but to live the way that they do. It is really sad. And now, because of this man, they are having to die...and suffer even more. If he is so concerned about the suffering of his people, then why didn't he just give himself up...I mean, it was a given that the US would attack. I do sympathize with those people though. I simply cannot help it. People ARE people. American, Afghan, etc. So many senseless deaths, you know? Did he honestly think that this would bring about "security and safety in his land and in Palestine"?? It kind of makes you question his true motive....because his actions have completely contradicted his intentions. Does that make sense?? ~peace~  |
Date: 10/8/2001 1:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 15998
Lol. Yeah I know what you mean. I would have been extremely scared... atleast at first. But if I started to feel comfortable I probably would have said some thing I'd be regretting once locked up in an old cell with rats crawling all over the place...  |
Date: 10/8/2001 1:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
LOL, Scooter, you're a trip. ***Shelly***  |
Date: 10/8/2001 1:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 31368
Teep, that made perfect sense, I just wish the people who are supporting him could see just how hypocrytical he really is. ***Shelly***  |