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OK, I'm giving you a break, NO more Harry Potter, But I was thinking........... By Firstborn

  Author:  16671  Category:(Debate) Created:(10/7/2001 10:39:00 PM)
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Ok, some of you believe there is a spirit realm. some of you do not. IF not, why not?? If so, why do you?

Can you give good reasons why you dont believe in the Spirit realm?? Can you give good reason why you DO believe in the spirit realm? Have any of you or people you know Been hurt by things in the Spirit realm??

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Date: 10/7/2001 10:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 35720    I do because there are SOO many stories about spirits walking around after they've died and there's all those pictures and stuff. I guess it's the proof that's convinced me.  
Date: 10/7/2001 10:46:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    thanks Rika for stopping by, I too believe.  
Date: 10/7/2001 10:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 7089    what she said, tho there have been two instances i like to think someone got their hand thru the veil just enuff to say hi; the first one could've been xplained away as a tv glitch but for it being a) a perfect summer afternoon, b) the tv was securely plugged in, & c) the tv blinked out for the barest of seconds, & i've never before or since gotten the feeling of someone telling me they were still there. the feeling was instant, just as the glitch was, & as i wasn't thinking of this guy i know it wasn't my imagination. the second occurrence could've been a faulty speedometer needle-- my car was an '81 after all --but for the thing working fine once my passenger-- my mom --switched seats w/me. once she wasn't driving it the needle worked fine. it was like the car didn't want her driving it. it was likely coincidence but it was just too trippy. cheers,  
Date: 10/7/2001 10:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 36635    I think there is a spirit realm. I was at church camp a couple of years ago and my counselor woke up one night and started to tell me about a vision she had. She said that she was shown the spirit realm, and the spirits that exsist in the realm. They were walking amoung the humans. I know that she wouldn't make it up and that God gave her the vision. That is enough proof for me! :)  
Date: 10/7/2001 10:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 15033    I have been hurt by evil spirits in ways I can't speak of here, let alone try to remember. I had to leave it in God's hands where it belongs, or I might have ended up deader than dead. Love,  
Date: 10/7/2001 11:10:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Wow, that sounds really trippy tugger. Hey I have a post thats kind of old on here that you might want to read, I think its called, "this really happened to my mom and dad. " its a true story.
EMILY:: aMEN AND AMEN>
Thunderhead, My heart goes out to you, as I know how much pain they can cause. May God bless my Amen sister. To you all, I'm going to bed for tonight, see you when I wake for coffee.
  
Date: 10/7/2001 11:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 7089    sounds interesting, but given all your stories-- & alllll your posts --it would take me forever to find it; d'you have a general idea of where it would be? don't spike the coffee-- it ain't that cold yet. <g> cheers,  
Date: 10/7/2001 11:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 31368    I do, and I always have. The reason being, my mother, who is the least niave person I know, had an experience. My mother is a very no nonsense kind of person. She does not believe in anything unless she has seen it with her own eyes. She told us a story to explain why she knew that her father was watching over her. My grandfather had been in the hospital for awhile with lung cancer. She sat by his bed day and night, but he was pretty much comatose. She would sit with him, until it was time to make dinner for us then she would come home. When dinner was done she would go back and sit with him. One night when she came home for dinner the hospital called to tell her he had passed on. She went to the hospital, to say her goodbyes and to perform the technical duty of identifying the body. On the way home she was driving over a bridge. She hadn't slept very well since he went in the hospital, and she fell asleep at the wheel. Someone shook her shoulder and said "Lola, wake up" (that's her name btw) She woke up to see her father sitting in the passenger seat with his hand on her shoulder, then he faded away. That's when she noticed that she was headed over the edge of the bridge. She slammed on the breaks. If she hadn't woke up then she would have died. This is why I have always believed, but to add to my belief, I have had discussions with deceased loved ones, while I was asleep. Basically, coming to tell me they were all right and not to worry about them. The funny thing about these nightime discussions, is that everytime it has happened, my alarm clock doesn't go off. But I always wake up on time. In fact in one of these incidents, my loved held an alarm clock in front of my face showing me that it was past the time I usually get up. And I woke up to find that the time in my sleep was the time, my clock showed. They are watching over us, they carry the love they had for us onto the next level, and they guide us along our way. ***Shelly***  
Date: 10/8/2001 6:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 22852    I believe in the spirit realm because I have personal experience with it. I have never been hurt by the spirit realm, in fact I felt comfort from it. @}---  
Date: 10/8/2001 7:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 33817    I do not believe in the spirit world. While I reserve the possibility of a spirit world, as I could see someone's mental energy being somehow manifested in some way that has not yet been explained or widely observed, I myself have not had any experiences ever that could not be explained at least reasonably well on a scientific basis, or that could not be dismissed as a quirk of a human's sometimes very confusing interpretation. The mind has many depths and layers that we have yet to understand and anything and everything that anyone subjectively experiences is automatically subject to doubt.  
Date: 10/8/2001 8:08:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Ya, I do TUGGER, have lots of stories. It would be one of the very first ones, so go clear to the end and you will find it.
For Author ONLY::: In the Bible, some saw visions, while others did not. I cant tell ya why some are able to do this and why some are not, I havent a clue. But the supernatual is very real and I too asked God to remove any ability, including this, if it was not from Him. If i have the time today, I will find some information or sites on this that might be able to exlain it better than I can, but I know I have to pack lots of stuff today and go through tons of stuff and get ready for the move.
However I will refer you to this scripture: Ephesians chapter 6:: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers and the rulers of darkness. "
Wow, Shelly that was something that happened to your mom. I know that God works in some strange ways and we cant always explain or try to put in a box, what God can do. Praise God your mom was watched over.
StormChaser: I too feel comfort by the Holy Spirit of God and the Angels of God.
PowerONE:: my my you are a doubting thomas.
  
Date: 10/8/2001 8:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 19220    I do believe in the spirit realm. The reason? I have seen and dealt with it before. No one I know or I have been hurt by them though. I do know people who have been scared out of their wits by them.  
Date: 10/8/2001 9:32:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    thanks IceQueen:: I've seen people get hurt, its a sad thing.  
Date: 10/8/2001 10:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 19220    I was thinking about this and I remembered that at one time my friends lived in a house that had spirits in them that weren't to happy. The spirits tried to hurt them but didn't succeed. It almost hurt my friend and her daughter but never tried on the husband. I bet it is scary and sad.  
Date: 10/8/2001 10:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 33817    nope, im a doubting daniel. I swear, I've just never had any psychopaths in my life, what can I say. Although there was that one girlfriend that called me one day telling me that demons had chased her up and stairs and had her trapped in her room. Needless to say, she's no longer my girlfriend. :)  
Date: 10/8/2001 10:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 39524    dunno...had no real proof either way.....so i`m sitting on the fence.....KUD
Date: 10/8/2001 12:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 31275    Nope. I have no proof that a spirit realm exists. I just choose to belive in it. And I have no good reason why. And I have never experienced anything to make me belive in it either. I think I am one of those 'closed' people if there is even such a thing, who are unable to feel anything spiritual. PAI  
Date: 10/8/2001 12:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 31275    Oh, and thank you for stopping with the Harry Potter posts.lol. PAI  
Date: 10/8/2001 4:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 11240    I believe in a spirit realm. I have experiences with it, all good. I am not going to go into specifics here on this, but please know when I am speaking of "spirits" I am not referring to "souls." God Bless.  
Date: 10/8/2001 6:14:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    IceQueen:: Yes, I know that spririts can hurt a person. Wonder why they didnt bother the hubby??
PowerOne:: you know you have often accused me of not being open minded, now who isnt open minded?? I guess it depends on the suject huh? If its something you believe in then the world is close minded, but if you dont believe in it then Your the only one with the open mind?? Lucky Girlfirend.
Kud: I think your lucky that you havent had any real proof.
Pai:: Na, you have to let your self is all, you'll be ok. And your welcome about the harry potter posts, I was getting a little tired of them myself.
DEb:: Amen and Amen.
  
Date: 10/9/2001 2:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 21862    I believe because I have had to many experiences not to believe. I have never been hurt by this realm... but that is because you only open yourself to getting hurt is if you let yourself get hurt. If you believe they can hurt they will.  
Date: 10/9/2001 6:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 33817    "I do not believe in the spirit world. While I reserve the possibility of a spirit world, as I could see someone's mental energy being somehow manifested in some way that has not yet been explained or widely observed, I myself have not had any experiences ever that could not be explained at least reasonably well on a scientific basis, or that could not be dismissed as a quirk of a human's sometimes very confusing interpretation". I think that sounds pretty open-minded Firstborn. And I didn't even have to look in my special God handbook for my answers!!!  
Date: 10/9/2001 10:13:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    IvyCurse:: it doesnt matter if you let them or not, they can hurt you. But they do not usually hurt the ones that they have control of.
PowerONE:: LOL LOL
  
Date: 10/9/2001 10:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 33817    Nothing but humble, apologetic laughter, I see! :)  
Date: 10/9/2001 1:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 21862    Then a good spirit must have control of me :P Because I'm as sweet as an angel!  
Date: 10/9/2001 1:35:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    what ever you want to beleive powerone.
IvyCurse. LOL LOL even satan comes as an angel of light.
  
Date: 10/9/2001 8:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 21862    Sorry I do not believe in Satan But I do however believe in Lucifer but I do not follow him. :P I know I am doing good God and his Angels have showed me many things in dreams. Including the hanging of Jesus on the cross when I was 7 years of age... and I know that by you hating so much in this world you truely need to learn to love a little more.  
Date: 10/9/2001 8:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 23866    I believe. It's sort of one of those things I've grown up into. My family does't try to hide when unusual phenomena occurs. Just better to keep it out in the open I guess. And I've never found anything to disprove it. I can't say I've been "hurt" by anything in the spirit realm, but I've had some pretty freaky occurances. (Black clawed hands reaching out of my wall once, undefinable stenches. And I was just minding my own business, saying my prayers.)  
Date: 10/9/2001 8:36:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Ivy Curse:: I dont hate anything. How ever there are things I dislike, such as dealing with evil spriits when children are involved. LadyA:: My family keeps it in the open too, we dont try to hide it. I too have seen some pretty freaky things as well as has my children.  
Date: 10/10/2001 11:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 27028    'Ivy Curse:: I dont hate anything. How ever there are things I dislike, such as dealing with evil spriits when children are involved.' ooh firstborn here is a list,,, harrypotter, satanists,witches,magic,occult,wiccans,jk rowling oooooh the list is endless, stop lieing  
Date: 10/10/2001 12:02:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Poor Dr. Dopey:: you get so mad over the little things in life. God says I can hate these things that you listed< I hate satanism, I hate witchcraft, I hate involvment in the occult, BUT I DONT HATE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. The things I hate are THINGS, NOT PEOPLE. I dont even hate you. I feel sorry for you.  
Date: 11/22/2001 6:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 43339    oh good im so glad glad glad that this wasnt ANOTHER! hp post.. yeah i believe in the spirit relm.. God even says that thier are battles going on between Demons and angels.. ssoo.. and yes once again i am late... ya know i think i am going to make it a point to reply to every single one of your posts... i would have a whole lotta replys wouldnt i..lol*~*sunny*~*  
Date: 11/22/2001 2:29:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    I have about 300 of them *sunny* you have a job ahead of you. LOL  

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