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Another Twist In The Creation Story From The Nag Hammadi Library...Part II....Lady Nyx

  Author:  23610  Category:(Debate) Created:(11/30/2001 8:34:00 AM)
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This is part II of the creation story in the book titled "On the Origin of the World" found in the Nag Hammadi Library.

"The seven of them (Satan and his group) came up to Adam and Eve timidly: they said to him, 'The fruit of all trees created for you in Paradise shall be eaten; but as for the tree of knowledge, control yourselves and do not eat from it. If you eat, you will die.' Having imparted great fear to them, they withdrew up to their authorities.

"Then came the wisest of all creatures, who was called Beast. And when he saw the likeness of their mother Eve he said to her, 'What did God (Satan) say to you? Was it 'Do not eat from the tree of knowledge?' She said, 'He said not only 'Do not eat from it', but 'Do not touch it, lest you die.' He said to her, 'Do not be afraid. In death you shall not die. For he knows that when you eat from it, your intellect will become sober and you will come to be like gods, recognizing the difference that obtains between evil men and good ones. Indeed, it was in jealousy that he said this to you, so that you would not eat from it'."

Now, Eve had confidence in the words of the instructor. She gazed at the tree and saw that it was beautiful and appetizing, and liked it; She took some of its fruit and ate it; and she gave some also to her husband, and he too ate it. Then their intellect became open. For when they had eaten, the light of knowledge had shone upon them. When they clothed themselves with shame, they knew that they were naked of knowledge." (Note...naked of knowledge...not just naked as in no clothes.) "When they became sober, they saw that they were naked and became enamored of one another. When they saw that the ones who had modelled them had the form of beasts, they loathed them: they were very aware.

"They (Satan and his group)assembled and laid plans, and they said, 'Behold Adam! He has come to be like one of us, so that he knows the difference between the light and the darkness. Now perhaps he will be deceived, as in the case of the Tree of Knowledge, and also will come to the Tree of Life and eat from it, and become immortal, and become lord, and despise us and disdain us and all our glory! Then he will denounce us along with our universe. Come, let us expel him from Paradise, down to the land from which he was taken, so that henceforth he might not be able to recognize anything better than we can.' And so they expelled Adam from Paradise, along with his wife."

Well.....I have to wonder what this is. Is this a myth....like the stories of the Greeks and Romans? And....if this is a myth or a story....then does that mean that the creation story, which is so similar, in the Bible is nothing but a myth too? What do you think? I'm still pondering it myself....but I fall in the category of believing it to be a myth passed on from generation to generation.

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Date: 11/30/2001 8:42:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    dunnow what to think... history, passed stories, someones account? ... interesting...I just want more comprehension and understanding ...Thanks again for the information !  
Date: 11/30/2001 8:45:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    LOL....Jungabel....I want more comprehension too. I know what you mean....that's why I just keep studying and trying to learn a little more. It's not always easy to find the info though....but I keep plugging away.  
Date: 11/30/2001 8:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    Hey thanks for the link...I bookmarked it as it piqued quite an interest! THANKS so much !!  
Date: 11/30/2001 9:13:00 AM  From Authorid: 46050    Great thoery. I myself have thought these things also. A well writtin text. Very well could be T.M
Date: 11/30/2001 10:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 11341    my question is, if satan can take on many forms to decieve us, what if the writter of the bible was satan? do you see what im saying?  
Date: 11/30/2001 11:02:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    DMK...all I know is that anything is possible. That is why I try to find the truth for myself and not just rely on what someone wrote down or someone told me. I try to weigh out the facts and ponder it and see what feels right to my spirit. For all I know....both the Bible and the scrolls contain myths and not complete truth. If the story had to be true....well then I would wonder if Satan didn't have a hand in the compiling and altering of the books contained in the Bible in order to present himself as God (which seems to be what the book in this post is saying he does) and have man worship him. It's an interesting twist.  
Date: 11/30/2001 11:13:00 AM  From Authorid: 11341    lady nyx, i think you will get a kick out of this, talk about making up your own mind, my 8 year old thinks that Zeus is Jesus's father. He is one of those kids who have alot of questions about religion. If we dont think we can answer the questions well, we find someone who can. It was around christmas time one year, and he wanted to know what hannika (i know i spelled that wrong) so we took him to a synegog(i know i spelled that one wrong too, but you get my point lol). anyway i thought you might get a chuckle  
Date: 11/30/2001 11:18:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    LOL...that is cute. And...good for you for taking your son to the Synagogue. I think children should be exposed to all beliefs. I have a one and a half year old....and I still don't know how I'm going to exactly explain to him what I believe about God since I have no particular religion. My husband is an Episcopalian....and their very nice people...but I don't agree with all their teachings. I think I'll take him around to different places too to let him see the differences and similarities.  
Date: 11/30/2001 11:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Without going into all kinds of explanation, I'll just say that I have long been saying that all that creation story is one huge MYTH.  
Date: 11/30/2001 11:26:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    I can understand why, Thinker.  
Date: 11/30/2001 11:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 15033    I think this is pretty accurate in it's own right. In light of what I already understand about the bible, this would make perfect sense. I find the fact that it refers to GOD as satan, which is something many do not understand, very interesting. He is the GOD of this world. And secondly, I find it ironic that GOD of the world tried to make himself look innocent in his motive, yet hid from the outcome. He likely did have a hand in their "changed" likeness (with genitalia) after they ate of the fruit. The mightiest of Creators would never bring to light that which must then be hidden.....Great post.  
Date: 11/30/2001 1:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 31255    To me this sounds like Satans side of the bible. Like you know how God has people write the bible for him... maybe Satan wanted to tell his story too, because this is what it sounds like to me.  
Date: 11/30/2001 1:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 34476    I think that every decent lie has a bit of truth in it .....  
Date: 11/30/2001 3:33:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    Thunderhead, I find it really interesting too. It makes more sense to me that the God of this world....who according to the Bible is Satan....would really be the one who created the world and also would be the one who would tell Adam and Eve not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge. Why would the entity we now call God...meaning the good one, not Satan....not want man to have knowledge. That never made any sense to me. This story answers more of the questions and distills some of the confusion in the original Garden of Eden story....in my opinion.  
Date: 11/30/2001 3:34:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    Toodles... I know what you are saying....I had kind of the same reaction at first. I read it over a couple of times and tried to stand back and be impartial when reading it and I found that in many ways this version makes more sense on some of the contradictions regarding the story of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden.  
Date: 11/30/2001 3:36:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    Paranoid....LOL....I say that all the time. Yes, every good lie has a bit of truth to it. That's what makes it not so easy to see through....which is why I like to keep studying and learning for myself. I'm still in the mindset that all this Garden of Eden story is really more of a myth than truth....but haven't finished researching it enough and want to wait to see what else I can learn.  
Date: 11/30/2001 3:40:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    I want to add one other thing that I find really interesting in this book....and that is that it tells of Gods and Goddesses....not just one God. For some reason that makes more sense to me that there would be mutliple Gods and Goddesses....and on different spiritual levels.  
Date: 11/30/2001 7:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    Lady Nxy, interesting. But if you put this into some perspective, EVERY story can be a myth. However, I am a believer that some stories in the Bible may be myths, including the story of creation, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a CREATOR, and I just don't buy that it was a woman or Satan. Guess I'm just too old fashioned to change my views. Good and informative post, however, and yes, you have peaked my interest in these manuscripts. Free Girl  
Date: 11/30/2001 7:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 34476    Oh... I plan on reading them now too. I just felt like sharing my initial reaction to these two posts   
Date: 12/1/2001 12:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 17525    Amazing, because in the bible, it states clearly that "god" (gods - ha-elohim = plural) said the same thing about dying from eating the fruit. Also that "the man has become as one of "US". Clearly an indication of notion of many-god worship on the part of the writers of the biblical creation account. The phrase ha-elohim is used many times in the text. There is no other translation. it means "the gods". Good post Lady. Nag Hamadi has a wealth of interesting stuff, particularly the Gospel of Thomas. I think that's my favorite.  
Date: 12/1/2001 12:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 17525    Also the biblical account gives us strong indication that God lied to Adam, whereas, this account wouldn't tarnish Gods reputation quite so much. hehe  
Date: 12/1/2001 7:51:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 23610    Thanks, Osiris. I didn't know that about the translation of ha-elohim. Very interesting. And...yes...this version would seem to take care of the conflict of God being deceitful or unfair. It just would make more sense to me.  

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