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new evidence neanderthals smarter than believed - + top 10 out of place artifacts.....~heather

  Author:  25828  Category:(Interesting) Created:(2/26/2002 11:14:00 AM)
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Early man wasn't a dummy

**even if the top is not interesting..you may find the artifacts at the bottome interesting..to me they go well with what is presented, especially numbers 8 and 10

25feb02 MADRID: The first Europeans have often been presented as brutes driven to extinction by a superior African race. But now there are doubts. Palaeontological findings in Spain and other countries indicate that the European Neanderthals were smarter than had been thought and almost equal to the African Cro-Magnons. It remains a mystery why the Neanderthals disappeared from the face of the earth some 30,000 years ago.

"Until the 1990s, it was believed that the Neanderthals were dunces and there was no further need to explain why they became extinct," Spanish expert Juan Luis Arsuaga told the daily El Pais.

"The novelty is that now we do need to look for that explanation."

Spain has some of the most important palaeontological sites in the world. Researchers have discovered the remains of humans who lived in northern Spain 800,000 years ago.

The bones found at the site of Atapuerca in Burgos province are among the oldest in Europe. Scientists believe that the humans in question belonged to a race which they have named the Homo Antecessor and which was the common ancestor of the Neanderthals and of the race widely known as the Cromagnons.

Around a million years ago, groups of Homo Antecessor took off from Africa, the birthplace of humanity, the Spanish theory goes. In Europe they evolved into the Neanderthals while the ones who remained in Africa became the Cromagnons.

Tens of thousands of years ago, Cromagnons spread to Europe and Asia, becoming the ancestors of Homo Sapiens, or modern man. In Europe, they coexisted with the Neanderthals for millennia until the latter became extinct.

It had been suggested that the intelligent Cromagnons encroached on the territories of the Neanderthals which some movies and novels have presented as grunting and club-swinging brutes. Some theories claimed that the two races waged wars which the Neanderthals lost.

Findings in recent years suggest that the Neanderthals deserve a better reputation and that the coexistence of the two races is likely to have been relatively peaceful.

Bones found at the Sima de los Huesos (Pit of Bones) at Atapuerca indicate that pre-Neanderthals buried their dead as early as 250,000 years ago.

A complete skull discovered there leads to believe that pre-Neanderthals were also capable of speech. They did not talk in the same way as modern humans, but the sounds were slow and slurred, according to Spanish experts.

Scientists believe that the Neanderthals had the same brain size as the Cromagnons. They used fire and were fearsome hunters.

Some researchers have even claimed that the Neanderthals created art, a capacity which is usually attributed only to the Cromagnons.

In sparsely inhabited regions, warfare was probably rare, and the two races may even have crossbred.

"Those genes, if they did exist, have been lost," Arsuaga says. Genetic evidence suggests that modern humans descend exclusively from the Cromagnons.

The two races were closer to each other than had hitherto been thought, but they also differed. The Neanderthals were shorter and stronger than the Cromagnons and had lighter skin.

The Cromagnons are believed to have been able to make better clothes out of animal skins and more advanced stone weapons.

Could such differences have been decisive when the climate got colder and survival became harder some 40,000 years ago? Nobody knows.

Arsuaga believes that the key difference could have been a custom of the Cromagnons to decorate their bodies and make jewellery.

The use of such symbols made it possible for them to recognise allies beyond clan boundaries and to make cross-clan alliances. It may have been art and social skills, rather than weapons, that ensured the survival of modern man.

***to me this further supports my theory - as some of you may have read..that ancient astronauts..or aliens, came to earth and genetically manipulated or interbred with us to make the cro magnons - we are not of the neanderthals, which were the original inhabitants...we are from after the our contact with another species - not to say they hadn't visited before that - i have other posts detailing the out of place artifacts that show we had intelligent life before neanderthals -, i would say they probably visited, and waited until we evolved enough to have something to genetically cross..or manipulate....the fact that it is a mystery to science why the neanderthals ceased to exist..and didn't interbreed - to me points to some theory that is out of the normal line of thinking. else they would have come up with it.

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these are by no means all of the ancient things i've found..there are ones that are BILLIONS of years old...these are only the :

Top 10 Out-Of-Place Artifacts ByJoseph Robert Jochmans, Lit. D. http://atlantisrising.com/issue5/ar5topten.html 9-8-00

1. BAFFLING BATTERIES OF BABYLON

In 1938, Dr. Wilhelm Kong, an Austrian archaeologist rummaging through the basement of the museum made a find that was to drastically alter all concepts of ancient science. A 6-inch-high pot of bright yellow clay dating back two millennia contained a cylinder of sheet-copper 5 inches by 1.5 inches. The edge of the copper cylinder was soldered with a 60-40 lead-tin alloy comparable to today's best solder. The bottom of the cylinder was capped with a crimped-in copper disk and sealed with bitumen or asphalt. Another insulating layer of asphalt sealed the top and also held in place an iron rod suspended into the center of the copper cylinder. The rod showed evidence of having been corroded with acid. With a background in mechanics, Dr. Konig recognized this configuration was not a chance arrangement, but that the clay pot was nothing less than an ancient electric battery.

The ancient battery in the Baghdad Museum as well as those others which were unearthed in Iraq all date from the Parthian Persian occupation between 248 B.C. and A.D. 226. However, Konig found copper vases plated with silver in the Baghdad Museum excavated from Sumerian remains in southern Iraq dating back to at least 2500 B.C. When the vases were lightly tapped a blue patina or film separated from the surfaces, characteristic of silver electroplated to copper. It would appear then that the Persians inherited their batteries from the earliest known civilization in the Middle East.

2. THE STRANGE ELECTRON TUBES FROM DENDERA

In different locations within the Late Ptolemaic Temple of Hathor at Dendera in Egypt are curious wall engravings which Egyptologists cannot explain in traditional religio-mythic terms, but about which electrical engineers are finding very modern interpretations.

In one chamber, No. 17, the topmost panel, depicts Egyptian priests operating what look like oblong tubes, performing various specific tasks. Each tube has a serpent extending its full length inside. Swedish engineer Henry Kjellson, in his book Forvunen Teknik (Disappeared Technology), noted that in the hieroglyphs these serpents are translated as seref, which means to glow, and believes it refers to some form of electrical current. In the scene, to the extreme right appears a box on top where sits an image of the Egyptian god Atum-Ra, which identifies the box as the energy source. Attached to the box is a braided cable which electromagnetics engineer Alfred D. Bielek identified as virtually an exact copy of engineering illustrations used today for representing a bundle of conducting electrical wires. The cable runs from the box the full length of the floor of the picture, and terminates at both the ends and at the bases of the tube objects. These objects each rest on a pillar called a djed, which Bielek identified as a high-voltage insulator.

The tube objects look very much like TV picture tubes, an impression which is not far from wrong, for electronics technician N. Zecharius has identified the objects as Crookes or electron tubes, the forerunner of the modern television tube.

Though the upper chamber scenes have been damaged by vandals from a later age, other pictures found inside the crypt below the Holy of Holies are almost perfectly preserved, and their portrayal deepens the mystery of the strange electron tubes even further. Here, not only are the tubes shown in full operation, but something else has been added which may suggest the ultimate purpose for the tubes themselves. In several instances, both men and women are shown sitting underneath the tubes, hands held out and cupped, which meant they were in a receptive mode. What kind of radiation treatment was being performed here?

3. THE ENIGMA OF THE ASHOKA PILLAR

A testimony to ancient metallurgical skills in Delhi, India is called the Ashoka Pillar. Standing over 23 feet, it averages 16 inches in diameter and weighs about 6 tons. The solid wrought-iron shaft is made up of expertly welded discs. An inscription on the base is an epitaph to King Chandra Gupta II, who died in A.D. 413.

Despite being well over a millennium and a half in age, the Pillar's constitution is remarkably preserved. The smooth surface is like polished brass with only occasional instances of pock-marks and weathering. The mystery is that any equivalent mass of iron, subjected to the Indian monsoon rains, winds and temperatures for 1,600 years or more would have been reduced to rust long ago.

Production of the iron and the techniques of preservation are far beyond 5th century abilities. It is probably far older, maybe several thousand years. Who were the mysterious metallurgists who made this wonder, and what happened to their civilization?

4. AN OUT-OF-PLACE COMPUTER FROM ANTIKYTHERA

A few days before Easter Sunday in 1900, Greek sponge divers off the small island of Antikythera discovered the remains of an ancient ship filled with bronze and marble statues and assorted artifacts later dated between 85 and 50 B.C.

Among the finds was a small formless lump of corroded bronze and rotted wood. which was sent along with the other artifacts to the National Museum in Athens for further study. Soon, as the wood fragments dried and shrank from exposure to air, the lump split open revealing inside the outlines of a series of gear wheels like a modern clock.

In 1958 Dr. Derek J. de Solla Price successfully reconstructed the machine's appearance and use. The gearing system calculated the annual movements of the sun and moon. The arrangement shows that the gears could be moved forward and backward with ease at any speed. The device was thus not a clock but more like a calculator that could show the positions of the heavens past, present and future.

It is highly possible that the device may have origins ages long before the Greeks, and in a land far removed, now unknown.

5. FLIGHT IN ANCIENT EGYPT

In 1898 a curious winged object was discovered in the tomb of Pa-di-Imen in north Saqqara, Egypt dated to about 200 B.C. Because the birth of modern aviation was still several years away, when the strange artifact was sent to the Cairo Museum, it was catalogued and then shelved among other miscellaneous items to gather dust.

Seventy years later, Dr. Kahlil Messiha, an Egyptologist and archaeologist, was examining a Museum display labeled bird figurines. While most of the display were indeed bird sculptures, the Saqqara artifact was certainly not. It possessed characteristics never found on birds, yet which are part of modern aircraft design. Dr. Messiha, a former model plane enthusiast, immediately recognized the aircraft features and persuaded the Egyptian Ministry of Culture to investigate.

Made of very light sycamore the craft weighs 0.5 oz. with straight and aerodynamically shaped wings, spanning about 7 inches. A separate slotted piece fits onto the tail precisely like the back tail wing on a modern plane.

A full-scale version could have flown carrying heavy loads, but at low speeds, between 45 and 65 miles per hour. What is not known, however, is what the power source was. The model makes a perfect glider as it is. Even though over 2,000 years old, it will soar a considerable distance with only a slight jerk of the hand. Fully restored balsa replicas travel even farther. Messiha notes that the ancient Egyptians often built scale models of everything familiar in their daily lives and placed them in their tombs, temples, ships, chariots, servants, animals and so forth. Now that we have found a model plane, Messiha wonders if perhaps somewhere under the desert sands there may yet be unearthed the remains of life-sized gliders.

6. A JET FROM SOUTH AMERICA

In 1954 the government of Colombia sent part of its collection of ancient gold artifacts on a U. S. tour. Emmanuel Staubs, one of America's leading jewelers, was commissioned to cast reproductions of six of the objects. Fifteen years later one was given to biologist-zoologist Ivan T. Sanderson for analysis. After a thorough examination and consulting a number of experts, Sanderson's mind-boggling conclusion was that the object is a model of a high-speed aircraft at least a thousand years old.

Approximately 2 inches long the object was worn as a pendant on a neck chain. It was classified as Sinu, a pre-Inca culture from A.D. 500 to 800. Both Sanderson and Dr. Arthur Poyslee of the Aeronautical Institute of New York concluded it did not represent any known winged animal. In fact, the little artifact appears more mechanical than biological. For example, the front wings are delta-shaped and rigidly straight edged, very un-animal-like.

The rudder is perhaps the most un-animal but airplane-like item. It is right-triangle, flat-surfaced, and rigidly perpendicular to the wings. Only fish have upright tail fins, but none have exclusively an upright flange without a counter-balancing lower one. Adding to the mystery, an insignia appears on the left face of the rudder, precisely where ID marks appear on many airplanes today. The insignia is perhaps as out-of place as the gold model itself, for it has been identified as the Aramaic or early Hebrew letter beth or B. This may indicate that the original plane did not come from Colombia, but was the product of a very early people inhabiting the Middle East who knew the secret of flying.

7. CRYSTAL SKULL FROM ATLANTIS

Without doubt the most famous and enigmatic ancient crystal is the skull, discovered in 1927 by F.A. Mitchell-Hedges atop a ruined temple at the ancient Mayan city of Lubaantum, in British Honduras, now Belize.

The skull was made from a single block of clear quartz, 5 inches high, 7 inches long and 5 inches wide. It is about the size of a small human cranium, with near perfect detail. In 1970, art restorer Frank Dorland was given permission to submit the skull to tests at the Hewlitt-Packard Laboratories. Revealed were many anomalies.

The skull had been carved with total disregard to the natural crystal axis, a process unheard-of in modern crystallography. No metal tools were used. Dorland was unable to find any tell-tale scratch marks. Indeed, most metals would have been ineffectual. A modern penknife cannot mark it. From tiny patterns near the carved surfaces, Dorland determined it was first chiseled into rough form, probably using diamonds. The finer shaping, grinding and polishing, Dorland believes, was done with innumerable applications of water and silicon-crystal sand. If true, it would have taken 300 years of continuous labor. We must accept this almost unimaginable feat, or admit to the use of some form of lost technology.

Modern science is stumped to explain the skill and knowledge incorporated. As Garvin summarized: It is virtually impossible today, in the time when men have climbed mountains on the moon, to duplicate this achievement...It would not be a question of skill, patience and time. It would simply be impossible. As one crystallographer from Hewlitt-Packard said, The damned thing shouldn't be.

8. WHO SHOT NEANDERTHAL MAN?

The Museum of Natural History in London displays an early Paleolithic skull, dated at 38,000 years old, and excavated in 1921 in modern Zambia. On the left side of the skull is a perfectly round hole nearly a third of an inch in diameter. Curiously, there are no radial split-lines around the hole or other marks that should have been left by a cold weapon, such as an arrow or spear. Opposite the hole, the cranium is shattered, and reconstruction of the fragments show the skull was blown from the inside out, as from a rifle shot. In fact, any slower a projectile would have produced neither the neat hole nor the shattering effect. Forensic experts who have examined the skull agree the cranial damage could not have been caused by anything but a high-speed projectile, purposely fired at the prehistoric victim, with intent to kill. If such a weapon was indeed fired at the man, then one of two conclusions can be made: Either the specimen is not as old as it is claimed to be, and was shot by a European in recent centuries, or the remains are as old as claimed, and the marksman was ancient too. In view of the fact that the Paleolithic skull was excavated from a depth of 60 feet, mostly of lead rock, the second conclusion is more plausible. But who possessed gunpowder 38,000 years ago? Certainly not Stone Age man himself. Another race must have existed, one far more advanced and civilized, yet contemporary. The question is, where did that rifle-toting marksman call home?

9. THE INCREDIBLE STONES OF DR. CABRERA



A very unique time-capsule of images is housed in a warehouse in Ica, Peru. Here are some 20,000 stone boulders, tablets, and baseball-sized rocks, decorated with an astounding assortment of pictures, in many cases very much out of time and place. The owner is local physician, amateur archeologist and geologist Dr. Javier Cabrera Darquea. Most material employed is a gray andesite, an extremely hard granitic semi-crystalline matrix, that is very difficult to carve. But as Dr. Cabrera observed, People have been finding these engraved stones in the region for years. They were first seen and recorded by Jesuit missionary Father Simon, who accompanied Pizarro in 1525. Samples were shipped to Spain in 1562.

The stone portraits show very sophisticated surgery skills and medical knowledge, in some cases as advanced, and even more advanced, than today. There are scenes of Caesarean sections, blood transfusions, the use of acupuncture needles as an anesthetic (which only gained use in the West since the late 1970s), delicate operations on the lungs and kidneys, and removal of cancerous tumors. There are likewise detailed images of open heart and open brain surgery, as well as 20 stones showing a step-by-step heart transplant procedure.

This is a disturbing revelation in itself, that someone in unknown antiquity achieved a level of sophistication rivaling our own. But there are other pictures even more out-of-place. As Dr. Cabrera noted, and as has been verified by other medical physicians, there are stone etchings which show a brain transplant. The prehistoric surgeons, it is evident, possessed knowledge several steps beyond modern-day surgery.

10. MANUFACTURED METALS MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD

For the past three decades miners at the Wonderstone Silver Mine near Ottosdal in the Western Transvaal, South Africa, have been extracting out of deep rock several strange metallic spheroids. So far at least 200 have been found. In 1979, several were closely examined by J.R. McIver, professor of geology at the University of Witwaterstand in Johannesburg, and geologist professor Andries Bisschoff of Potsshefstroom University.

The metallic spheroids look like flattened globes, averaging 1 to 4 inches in diameter, and their exteriors usually are colored steel blue with a reddish reflection, and embedded in the metal are tiny flecks of white fibers. They are made of a nickel-steel alloy which does not occur naturally, and is of a composition that rules them out, being of meteoric origin. Some have only a thin shell about a quarter of an inch thick, and when broken open are found filled with a strange spongy material that disintegrated into dust on contact with the air.

What makes all this very remarkable is that the spheroids were mined out of a layer of pyrophyllite rock, dated both geologically and by the various radio-isotope dating techniques as being at least 2.8 to 3 billion years old. Adding mystery to mystery, Roelf Marx, curator of the South African Klerksdorp Museum, has discovered that the spheroid he has on exhibit slowly rotates on its axis by its own power, while locked in its display case and free of outside vibrations. There may thus be an energy extant within these spheroids still operating after three eons of time

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Date: 2/26/2002 11:24:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    now what about that number 8 and 10? those are the two most fascinating..how about that metal? that we have no idea of why it has the properties it has...we should be studying it - but it seems it was proofed from that, being that upon air contact part of it disentegrates..wonder if they were created before earth creatures breathed air..in space..for space..something like that.  
Date: 2/26/2002 11:42:00 AM  From Authorid: 44321    Very interesting post here Heather,I have always been interested in Neanderthal people and this was a good read.8 interested me in wondering is it possible for time travel of some sort and that a future man sowmhow went back and felt threatened by it and shot the person? or else alien beings shared the rifle and gunpowder as a way to hunt more efficiently and the person turned it into a weapon? this post really makes you think.  
Date: 2/26/2002 11:46:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    i've always wondered about time travel too - i'm sure at some point in our future we will be able to - which means it can occur now..there are many new theories of time travel, and science is getting VERY close (i've done other posts on that)...i would think that yeah, either someone went back to observe and got threatened and had to shoot - or else there was another more advanced civilization here at the same time...there are other artifacts besides these that lead one to believe there was a very advanced group of peoples here before our neanderthals...  
Date: 2/26/2002 11:47:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    course if one could travel time, that would not be my choice 8-) unless one wanted to glimpse a dinosaur..now i guess THAT would be worth it..so yeah, i can see why time travelers might visit that age...  
Date: 2/26/2002 12:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 27534    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Interesting...I would love to know the answer to this......  
Date: 2/26/2002 12:20:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    maybe one day we will 8-)  
Date: 2/26/2002 12:22:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    maybe that strange spongy material that disentegrates..is alive..what if it is a being of some sort..  
Date: 2/26/2002 12:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 44321    Very good question to think about with the spongy material..I myself would just love to go back in time and see the neanderthal people for myself I really don't know why but I have always been fascinated by them,imagine to be able to see one back when they were alive that would make me truly happy.I may be the only one to say this but have you ever noticed how much the aborigines look like the neanderthal man? I have been saying this since I was a young girl.  
Date: 2/26/2002 1:09:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    LOL medusa..yes i've noticed..and the OLDEST bones are found in australia..i did a post on that too - the oldest so far have outdated those that were found in africa..and his genetic material can be traced to a family living RIGHT where the bones were found....i think it is the munga man or something..if you're interested i'll find a link to that post.  
Date: 2/26/2002 1:16:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2001/04/26/53.asp - here is a link to a story titled mungo man vs. mitochondrial eve -  
Date: 2/26/2002 2:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 44321    Thanks for the link,I am so glad to see that my every wandering mind from childhood is nothing to be embarrassed about,whenever i used ot share my ideas I got told how silly I was being thinking of such things   
Date: 2/26/2002 3:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    Neanderthals, could be what is Big Foot, or Yeti, Abominal Snowman, Saqquase(SP). I have heard that the Cavemen, etc. Could be a type of Big Foot. Maybe these bigfoot sighting, could be these neanderthals people. They could be smart, that they do a good job of avioding contact.  
Date: 2/26/2002 8:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 32806    There is another possible explanation apart from time travel or visitations from outer space. In the past, we, human beings, reached levels of technology that we have not reached in modern times. So much of recent history, eg egyptian, persian, and many other cultures is a mystery to us, who's to say that a greater past lies in our history, forgotten or just plain denied to us by those in power who like to perpetrate lies and untruths. We generally think of ourselves as slowly evolving from a primitive past, this may not be the truth at all.  
Date: 2/27/2002 5:30:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    drkptrs i don't think bigfoot are neanderthals...there size, stature...everything is not like neaderthals...and neanderthals left bones - bigfoot does not, like bears..you rarely find bear bones... it's not too far fetched to think they're another species, or an offshoot of this one - i say another one totally..just like there are many different kinds of simians - maybe this is a missing link of sorts. they can pretty much prove that neanderthals disappeared in the time frame of the world ...  
Date: 2/27/2002 5:33:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    sagi i think we definitely had cultures in our past that were at least AS advanced if not more so - how would those people have gotten here at the same time as neaderthals though, with so much difference in their minds and cultures? i doubt two could evolve side by side - and remain SO different...the higher cultures either would have helped them, or made them slaves. there would be evidence that another culture was around. i think some of these out of date artifacts point to other cultures, but not necessarily human ones. the real earth dweller was a neanderthal - the cro's were a mix....and they have continued to mix and help cultures until we have our modern day type of genetic makeup.  
Date: 3/2/2002 8:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 32806    It's all a question of time, and maybe underestimating the abilities of cro-mag and neanderthol, maybe they weren't such stupid races after all. Where do we get this info from anyway? Mainly via government paid scientists and so I find what they say difficult to take at face value as the governments have a habit of lying and decieving us about the truth. School books here in England have blatant lies in them like 3000 years before Christ man could not write. Hmmmm, obviously untrue yet still taught as part of the national curriculum. Some cultures have been dated as being highly advanced at over 10,000bc and they don't just pop into being in the blink of an eye. Human history does go back much further than is commonly accepted. Evidence of advanced cultures, how much evidence will there be say 20,000 years from now of ours. The only structures to survive very long periods of time are the large stone monoliths, maybe they were the last effort of previous high tech cultures to leave evidence that they had once been. I think given large timescales not used before, it is quite feasible that high tech societies have been and gone and very little is left, maybe what is left has been hidden from us by the liars and decievers that still hold sway over our affairs. Not the politicians in the public eye, they are merely puppets and figureheads. Who amongst would really know what secrets there are, and what has been before. Conspiracy, I say YEAH and for a very long time.  
Date: 3/3/2002 8:48:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    i think there is plenty of evidence to support the current theory of neaderthal and cro mag intelligence, based on the ways that they lived..i've studied anthropology - and it is fairly easy to determine what type of lifestyle they had based on bones , and certainly findind different sites where they lived. but just the bones alone tell much of their way of life. and as to trusting those scientists - well, the average man needs to get educated in the field of anthropology before one can say they don't trust them...that's why you have scientists, because they took the time to educate themselves on certain topics. the GOVT. certainly at times spreads decietful propaganda..but scientists - are there to learn facts. one scientist alone can be tampered with, many scientists if not all on a consensus - says it is truth (until proven something else by hard evidence). and if they were that advanced, the STRUCTURES aren't what matter, it's the time capsules they should have been advanced enough to make with their knowledge of metallurgy - what withstands time...I'm sure 20,000 years from now we will have left many signs, time capsules so to speak - so if that theory is no good, basing it on structures and what might be left. if there are a few that know the secrets they are not politicians they are keepers of a religion, basically - and if they're that advanced in thought, as they would have to be by this age, because learning doesn't just stop, they would have advanced the ancient theories..if they were that advanced, they wouldn't waste their efforts on stupid little redirects on ancient history - if they have the knowledge, and have kept it secret, they can continue to do so - so what would the public knowing matter? not a bit - they still would not have the knowledge....some conspiracy theories are just that, i'm afraid. 8-(  
Date: 3/13/2002 9:40:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    WOW! And Colombia was mentioned... I think Ive seen that pendant... at the Gold museum!  
Date: 3/13/2002 9:44:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 25828    that's neat...i'd love to see some of these things 8-)  
Date: 3/17/2002 3:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 32806    Scientists have been proven wrong by new theories so many times. Current thinking is very likely to be proven wrong too. The predominance of religious and or political thinking of the time often over-rides scientific accuracy. Yes I agree most conspiracy theories are just that, theories, but then so is most of science. It always comes back to the question of evidence, and who would have and where would that evidence be? There are places that exist now, city size underground bunkers, that 99% of the world know nothing about. There are huge tracts of land occupied by the military, eg area 51, that none of us have access too. Time capsules and evidence of past cultures most likely does exist and is held in secret by those in power. Cro-mag and neanderthal man cannot be certain to be our ancestors even, there are missing links in the evolutionary tree. You list many interesting finds that have yet to have any credible explanation given as to where and who created them. The column of iron that shows no sign of corrosion and rust as modern iron does for example. Evidence of computers and mechanical devices that are dated as very old. Are these also not possible evidence of mankinds past achievements? You say we will leave time capsules behind yet we do not have the ability to create or even analye the iron coloumn yet, let alone create a metal with similar long lasting properties. Evidence does exist of the past achievements, we just don't know about them as they are held in secret. To me, all the ancient cultures that we do have evidence of, demonstrate a grasp of very high tech knowledge. Most are built on astronomical knowledge that we are only able to confirm with the most recent of our technology and computing power so they must have had the same or more highly advanced technology at their disposal, or the knowledge handed down from a time previous which had it, or a secret minority that still had it. I do not discount an extra-terrestrail possibility but it seems unlikely that a people with technology able to traverse the distances of space would come and then leave again, it seems more likely that we ourselves have a more colourful and long lived hitory than we have been led to believe. The science that is published now is in fact created by a minority of scientists. I suggest a book to read that may change drastically your thinking on modern science and its accuracy. It's a follow up to a previous book by the same author. The first expounded a theory on cosmogony that was rubbished by the whole scientific community of the time and yet many of it's themes and conclusions have been accepted since, although not generally taught still. The first book is called "Worlds in Collision" and the follow up book which was written to reply to the many critics of the first is called "The Velikovsky Affair" by Alfred de Grazia. First published by Sidgwick and Jackson in 1966, revised edition published in 1978 in Abacus by Sphere Books ltd 30/32 Grays Inn road , London, WC1 8JL. You may not be so sure of the accuracy or honesty of scientific publications after reading it. Most science we do read is from a minority within the science community, whose positions are dependant upon not rocking the boat.  
Date: 2/1/2009 11:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 64604    i know this was posted several years ago, but i have been reading it and pondering on it for about an hour now. this is just purely amazing. thanks so much for posting it. alien technologies or lost technologies? there's proof in all of this that learning is never finished.  

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