Date: 4/2/2002 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 11341
I think its a good idea, at least to let them know IF you do this again you WILL loose it. Im not so sure about the first offense though.  |
Date: 4/2/2002 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 28071
That is like saying a bank should loan someone a car even though they've had a history of bad credit. By doing so (giving them money despit their troubled past), you are taking away money from people who might not even get a chance at all, that have have worked hard and have not broken any laws by doing drugs, but can't afford college themselves. Dave  |
Date: 4/2/2002 7:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Yes, I do think this is stripping opportunity from people of lower incomes as well as students trying to correct their lives.  |
Date: 4/2/2002 8:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10915
Thanks for all the comments. Dave, I understand what you mean, but some are lost and don't know the way and the opportunity of education may be the only thing that will help them to achieve in life. It is bad enough that they are discriminated from jobs although they will tell them that their past record won't disqualify them from the job. Why make it worst for them by not allowing them the benefits of an education to better themselves?  |
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Date: 4/2/2002 8:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 51883
I kinda see both sides on this one, I feel bad for those that cleaned up there act and are having problems with this. But then I think those that are still doing drugs don't deserve it, they probably couldn't even comprehend what was going on in the classroom. Good post...*just a dream* |
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Date: 4/2/2002 8:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10915
Thanks just a dream. I don't even think those that are still using drugs would even care to go into a classroom. But it just kind of sickens me to think that the government would hold back those who are making much effort to get their acts straight. If that is how it is going to be for them, then what would be the purpose for them to leave the jails? Most will only resort back to the samething that put them in there in the first place. |
Date: 4/2/2002 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Maybe they should have saved up some of their drug money to use towards SCHOOL. Sorry, but you can bet they sure didn't pay taxes on any income they made selling drugs, so they should not have the privilege of receiving any government grants. If they want to pursue a higher education, then they will have to work for it and earn it. Those who are truly dedicated will...  |
Date: 4/2/2002 9:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 35629
Well i can understand the reason behind this law but also i understand that people make mistakes.Sometimes you could be in the wrong place at the wrong time or unknowingly have the wrong friends so i think it would be better to wait until at least the third time around.Sort of like a three strikes you are out.Cause if ya have not learned by then you should have to stand on your own two feet.  |
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Date: 4/2/2002 9:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10915
Very good points. You are right Ali. Maybe they should have thought about using the money made from drug dealing towards school. However, those with criminal record raises the red flags up when it comes to jobs and most do discriminate against them. So here you have an ex-convict, no job(or at least a descent paying one)may have a family, wants to go to back to school, trying to get his or her act together and unfortunately sees the odds against and tries the the best of their ability to keep on with the keeping on, yet the odds seem to be against them and in turn, may go back to doing the samething and return right back to the same place that they tried hard to keep away from. We look at this situation and say too bad to them cause it is not us, but what if it was one of us in that situation? Would we still feel the same way? |
Date: 4/2/2002 9:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Financial assistance from the government is not a right; it is a privilege, and one that people should be qualified for. People who choose to use drugs or make other mistakes should be aware of the consequences of their decisions. If they choose to remain ignorant, they ought not to complain if others do not rush in to restore the damage.  |
Date: 4/2/2002 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
I agree with Ali and Alfrowi, it is a privilege NOT a right.........  |
Date: 4/2/2002 11:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
Here in Spokane, drug users and sellers are watched very closely...close as in informants, polive surveillance and even monitoring with equipment. They know who is lieing, stealing, buying guns, and turning to pornography and prostitution. If a person gets involved with those things and stays with it consistently, they can kiss their life good-bye, because they will be convicted in any and every way posible. The police here will not pick on those that are experimenting and not doing any of the above mentioned. So, working in Financial Aid for 3 years, I saw many turned down in the last while that I was there. I had to remind myself that they must have been considered a danger to society and themselves to be convicted, and I didn't feel so bad for them. As you said Girlie, the ones that had convictions but made it to school before this law was passed and/or were still involved with drugs, didn't stay very long. It was a matter of about 2 weeks and they were back to the same old lifestyle...Love to you,  |
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Date: 4/3/2002 3:37:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10915
Very valid points. I know that financial aid isn't a right to have. In some ways, I can understand imposing this law as a way to tell them to change or else, yet I still find it to be discriminitive. I wonder if the same rule applies to all breakers of the law? If you are going to target drug convicts, then why not other convicts? Yet, something Ali said seems to probably be the case. Since they weren't paying taxes on the money received from drug dealing, I guess they feel that tax money shouldn't be used to fund their education. Yet, the same law is enforced on drug users also. Again, very good points. |
Date: 4/3/2002 4:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 19685
I don't think they should be disqualified... why is it, that someone IN prison can get a college education and WE pay for it, but someone who has been convicted of doing drugs and is no longer in prison can not qualify? I agree that it is discrimination.  |
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Date: 4/3/2002 5:44:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10915
Thanks Shattered. Makes ya wonder huh? IMO, I think that the government created this law to punish drug dealers simply because they didn't benefit from a drug dealers dollar. Not saying that it is ok to sell drugs or anything, but suppose that they did pay taxes to the government. Would this law still stand? |
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Date: 4/3/2002 3:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 19685
girlie, drugs are simply illegal because it is not a CONTROLLED substance.... it always comes down to money doesn't it??? don't get me wrong, i don't think drugs should be legal... but i don't think the government is worried so much about health issues when they have alcohol EVERYWHERE. alcohol is just as dangerous in it's own ways. you can overdose on alcohol (poisoning), you can get in a car accident, you can get into fights when drunk and get killed that way, and you do just as many stupid things. Comparitively, it IS a drug. So anyways, I do agree that it seems like selfishly motivated punishment. |
Date: 4/5/2002 4:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 49914
i think if you have not had a conviction in a long time then it shouldnt be held against you. But if someone keeps offending then that person doesnt deserve the opportunity.  |
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Date: 4/5/2002 5:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10915
The law mainly targeted those with recent convictions and repeat offenders. What has happened was that the question asked on the form made those with past records leary cause they felt that ANY conviction of drugs would automatically disqualify them from receiving the benefits. If they are going to do that to those with drug convictions, then I feel that they need to do that with any convict and not just single them out. |
Date: 7/17/2002 1:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 55679
I don't think that is fair, the government gets our money to give out and the people who may need it the most, and the rehabilitation centers get it but the people don't. Some drug dealers do it for the $$$ because they don't have enough. how is that rite? ~JC  |
