Date: 5/22/2002 11:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 46527
Mental illnes can affect many of us to some extent during our lives, some to the extent that they commit crimes and some to a lesser extent. I don't think anyone 'get's away with it' just because they SAY they are insane, it has to be proved to be so by the authorities.  |
Date: 5/22/2002 11:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 35114
This is a good debate! I suppose that murder is murder regardless. I think the punishment should be the same.  |
Date: 5/22/2002 11:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
if you look at some cases, im not sure which you see they said they were insiane and they got past the exam, they were declaired insane... eventually they got out and did it again! How insane is that person if they commit a crime more than once...  |
Date: 5/22/2002 11:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 24856
In today's system, it seems to be a bit overused....but what do I know? I am no expert.  |
Date: 5/22/2002 11:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 48993
depends ........ if they are chemically inbalanced people that are actually insane ... then yea its a good idea ..... but i think those things should be proven before a plea of insanity can be made!   |
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Date: 5/22/2002 11:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 46527
I guess there wil always be the clever few who can get past the docs, but they must not be allowed to spoil it for those who really are ill |
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Date: 5/22/2002 11:58:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
What do you think when they are let go, to be among people after being declared insane once and had commited a crime? |
Date: 5/22/2002 12:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 19460
well, in some cases the killer or what have you is actually crazy! but in some cases they are using that defense as an easy way out. i think they need to be proven insane by better standards, so no one can fake it!  |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 19460
oh i also think if they are considered insane they shouldnt be let back out! |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
If they are indeed insane and not just temporarily mentally ill then they should not be let back out but cared for in a suitable establishment, however, if they can be treated then they should be released back into the community after a reasonable spell in a secure hospital. |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:05:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
Even after they commit murder??? |
Date: 5/22/2002 12:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 26733
The insanity is there for a reason and peopel are insane. Some people claim insanity arent but they could be in a state of tempory insanity. Yes, its a good thing to have in the court system because insane people do exist. If they are insane they got locked up in a mental asyslum. Like other people that comment on prisoners have it good - we are on the outside looking in. We dont know what really goes on in the asylum. Ever hear stories about orderlies beating the insane people. Im sure life isnt all good in the asyslum.  |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
OK, I presume you think you are a reasonably stable human being, what if you became mentally ill for some reason or other and comitted a crime such as murder. After treatment you were once again stable, you had no recollection of having comitted a crime......what would you feel like if you were improsoned for the rest of your life? |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
or even 'imprisoned'? |
Date: 5/22/2002 12:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
I think it helps alot of people get away with murder...but is a just plea in a few situations...like mine *arches eyebrows*...j/k LOL~SpaceCase  |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
LSR, I would learn to understand beause what if I went back out into the world and did it again??? |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
Space Case.... very funny, well you should know I escaped from one where were you at??? |
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Date: 5/22/2002 12:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
I went to the Happy Happy Funny Farm... |
Date: 5/22/2002 12:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 18887
yeah i have seen that, there was a case about that. ohhh i dont understand why they plede insanity, i think its just where they dont have to worry about bad things  |
Date: 5/22/2002 1:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 48525
The true spirit of that defense is good...meaning that those who truely are insane and not aware/in control of their actions do need to be institutionalized to get the help they need, unlike those who are just trying to dodge the big house with the "insanity plea".  |
Date: 5/22/2002 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 53482
I say that the insane plea should not be allowed in the courts because the have only to do a little time and then get out and not have to pay their debt to society  |
Date: 5/22/2002 3:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
It's completely backwards. People should be GUILTY by REASON of INSANITY!  |
Date: 5/22/2002 5:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 46486
Bad, there is no excuse for getting away with murder.  |
Date: 5/22/2002 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 47166
Well, ocasionally, you do get that fella who really is nuts. So, to take away the insanity defense you really wouldn't be being all that fair to the poor shmoe who's got paranoid schizophrenia and the government won't buy him any medication because he doesn't have a job and can't get one 'cause he's insane!  |
Date: 5/22/2002 6:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i think they should get test to see if they are insane before there allowed to plea insane  |
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Date: 5/22/2002 6:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
also psych wards arent that great |
Date: 5/22/2002 6:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I think its a good thing as some really are "crazy as a loon" but I think they need to put other guidelines in place so that just not anyone can use this as an excuse.  |
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Date: 5/23/2002 9:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 50808
Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity is an important tool in our legal system. It simply isn't humane to throw a truly mentally ill person into prison for committing an act that they truly cannot be held responsible for. When discussing this topic one should keep in mind that people found NGRI are NOT found innocent of their crime, they are found guilty and usually bound over to some type of facility until they are deemed "sane". This often never happens so in all likelyhood a person found NGRI of murder would spend more time incarcerated than the person simply found guilty. When you are found just guilty of a crime you are give a specific sentence to be completed often along with the possiiblity of parole. Because people found NGRI are not mentally stable, they aren't sentenced to a facility for a certain amount of time, they are to stay there until they are deemed no longer a threat to themselves or others, often that is never. While I believe that people should pay for the crimes that they commit, I also strongly feel that you cannot hold a severly mentally ill person responsible for their actions in these cases. And another point to keep in mind, NGRI pleas rarely are successful. I believe the statistics are that this defense is used in 9 out of every 1000 cases and successful in only 25% of these cases. The criteria for this defense is difficult to meet and generally rules out your run of the mill psychopath. The insanity defense bases itself upon the idea that the defendent has a severe mental disorder or defect and the defendent was not able to appereciate the nature or quality of the wrongfulness of his or her acts. |
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Date: 5/24/2002 11:50:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
Wow, that is a very good point 50808... I really like what you have to say...hmm I can't argue the point....Thanks |
Date: 5/24/2002 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 27270
It's disgusting. "Not Guilty by reason of insanity" should not even exist in our system. Just because you are "insane" does not make you innocent if, in fact, you carried out the same crime that a sane person did, just for different reasons. If you're commit a crime, sane or not, you deserve to be punished and removed from society.  |
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Date: 5/24/2002 10:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 50808
Thanks Haunted |
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Date: 5/24/2002 10:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 14018
Thumblina, very strong... I agree with you in some ways... very good... |
