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YOU MUST ADAPT ... KALI

  Author:  42539  Category:(Debate) Created:(6/10/2002 3:36:00 PM)
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This was forwarded to me and it made me very angery because i am a american i have lived here all my life as has my mother and my momthers mother and am posting this in debate to see what others have to say about this::::

This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa Newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he?

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

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Date: 6/10/2002 4:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 17516    Let me take care of this idiots assertions in a few quick sentences. This country was not empty when the European settlers came here. Therefore, if he wants to base his statements on what was here first and tradition, our language should be one of the native american tongues and our country is not a christian country (not that this was what was intended by the founding fathers anyway). To say otherwise and ESPECIALLY to add that if you don't like it, leave is arrogance of the highest order. What this author is really saying is that Europeans stole this country and because Christianity is in the majority, power and might rules, so no one else should count. How obnoxious.  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    YEP, us Injuns, were here first, so BYE YA'LL.  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:04:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42539    thank you i might add my mother in law ( a fudie whom is mad at me ) sent this to me knowing i am a pagan  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:04:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42539    i meant fundie  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    They did an excellent job, and made some good points.  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Sure ya did Kali, we know ya meant fudie and in dudie, LOL, I'm gonna tell, nanananananna.  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:41:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42539    go right ahead FB i told her that last night  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:43:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42539    Amonaly you have to remember not all american are christains i am a american but not a christain  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    well, considering I just came from writing a post last night about closing our borders, I do have a few thoughts on the matter: first of all, my intention on tightening the borders, and restricting immigration is born of a logical means of attempting to secure the United States from futher attacks. My rationalization is: if we have a more limited amount of immigrants to watch, then we will have more time to investigate those already here. My Father, just finished a book on terrorism & will be meeting with his publisher this week. Now, my thoughts are my own, and do not reflect my Father's, who is retired from law enforcement & an expert in organized crime. I am spending time explaining this, so this debate doesn't get side-tracked with the "but you said.....".

Now, to address the subject on your mother-in-law sending this to you. I agree, C of K, after our private talks, that her view of America, and Americans are much more narrow, and hurtful, than your thoughts, or my own. I do not mean this as a slight, and your husband deserves a lot of credit for the love & support he shows you. It is not easy for the son of a "fundie", with family pressures to be married to a Witch.And, after our discussions with one another, there is no question, that she knew this email would hurt you.

FB- I understand K of C's use of the term "fundie" here, in relationship to her ,other-in-law, and it is quite approprate. I know you don't know K of C as I do, so you cannot know what she has suffered at the hand(s) of intolerance. K of C was not attacking "fundies"...she was calling her mother-in-law on, and the shoe fits.....

Now, to the debate at hand. The first American's...the only TRUE Americans ARE Native Americans. Since that time, from Europe, China, Mexico, and every nation in the World, we have melted into the society of "America". We are all colors, all languages, and all religions, or lack thereof.

Freedom to leave? Why, because we don't agree with the narrow-minded propaganda of "our Country, love it or leave it?", if we look different, speak different, or act different? I thought thats what made us GREAT! the ability to BE so many different people, and take the BEST of all cultures & be the most powerful nation in the world! In, what?, 230-odd years, we have become the best Nation world-wide, on the backs & hearts of ALL man (and woman) kind. Sorry, to go on-and-on,Kali.....but this is intolerance.
  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    And there are MANY here at USM that have wrote VOLUMES about how "Our Forefathers" were NOT Christians, but "Deitest's",.....  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    If people want to live in a land, ruled by society & intolerance, I suggest, IRAN.... sorry to go on-and-on-Kali, but this is wrong.  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    And, what "culture" is he speaking of? The white-anglo-saxon-prodestant one"? The hispanic-catholic-family-first one? or the African-American-one?.....  
Date: 6/10/2002 4:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    This country was NOT "founded on Christian principles". THAT is Clearly documented. And, it is NOT appropriate to display anything religious on the walls of schools.  
Date: 6/10/2002 5:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 10915    Oh Wow! I take comfort in knowing that God only works for the Americans! Boy, I sure hate to see how the others are fairing at this time. (Notice the sarcasm?) I say the dude that wrote this really needs to re-read his history and get his head out of the sand. (Would have loved to say something that starts with A.) LOL  
Date: 6/10/2002 5:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 47296    I do agree that if a person wishes to live here, then they need to adapt to the way we live. As for most of the rest, well, telling people where to kiss is not allowed here. God is not a part of our culture. The right of the people to worship freely without governemnt interference is. Not all do speak only English. I speak some Fench. My grandmother spoke some of a mix of Cherokee and Creek. God does not offend me, but I will live where I want to, because my ancestors were already here when the first whites arrived from England, France, and Spain. It is not appropriate to display "In God We Trust" in our schools, or our courtrooms, unless we are also willing to display the mottoes of other religions. I am proud to fly the flag, but Uncle Sam, in the guise of our government, does not always impress me, especially given the lies that were told to my people, and continue to be told. Last, maybe someone should plant this guy squarely in the middle of Iran, and let him get a dose of reality. Maybe then he would keep his mouth shut, and let others live their lives.  
Date: 6/11/2002 2:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 22080    i resent alot of this especially the in god we trust part it was adopted in the 50's  
Date: 6/11/2002 7:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Warrior Spirit said something that I very often think about. IF many people could spend even one day in a country like Iran, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Pakistan, India, etc, what a very different perspective they WOULD have? To throw around the name of 'Freedom', when one doesn't know, and doesn't ever question: "Freedom from WHAT"? And if they don't even know the Constitution (as is evident here), they look like FOOLS to other countries. If the truth be known, most immigrants know far more about the laws, customs, and the Constitution of The United States, than its OWN citizens!  
Date: 6/11/2002 9:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 54196    I agree with everything but the God part. I think he just threw that in there to make his article longer. I don't think immigrants are the ones protesting state sponsered God endorsements.

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