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Date: 6/26/2002 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 43864
I think it is sad that a nation that was once so great has become so corrupt over matters the ignorant few cannot understand :( tigereye953 |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 46486
The Pledg Of Allegience isn't based on GOD. I dunno, I don't get it. Whenever there is a new president there is always something wrong they do. We need a president with no faults.. Or a president that ASKS US citizens about it, have a vote or something. Lets ask George to be president, hee hee  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 31707
ITS RIDICULOUS. I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE GOING THAT FAR  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
I couldn't agree with you more. The US was founded on christian principles and values. I am sad because of this. God doesn't harm anyone. He is LOVE!!! Why people turn their backs on him? This is just one step ahead, among many others, to ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. The Bible talks about this. It might be that we are living in the last days of the End Times. And, like you said, this is all ridiculous. God bless America!!! In God we trust!!!  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 39887
But ALL our money has "IN GOD WE TRUST", what will we do about that!!? This is so darn ridiculous. Where does GOD belong then. It sure is funny that on Sept 11th, God became very real to most americans. I don't think that any one person should make a decision for all american people. This should be voted on by the people!! GOD lives in my soul and in my home. I will pray wherever I want and I will pledge alligeance to my flag anytime I want also, that is MY right. This is hog-wash to me!!  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
This is very sad. People always find something to complain about. There are so many other issues that are actually valid and important. I too, felt sickened by this but knew it was coming. God was a large part of the origin of this country. People can deny it and try to change it but they will never totally erase it. Like it or not, God gave us what we have. It seems that someone is always quick to slap him in the face. I agree with you very much. Unfortunately, things are only going to get worse. This is all prophesized in the Bible. Good post. :o)  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 39249
I think that's crazy and people should find better things to do with their lives then get all fired up about this.  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
wow, this is like the SIXTH post about this today.  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 14754
i think this is so stupid, there is so much more going on in the world..why this?..what about when you get sworn in for court ..like raise your right hand.."do you swear to tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help me god?  |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 8428
i dont really care. we all live in america. theres no need to say a pledge. its obvious when you go into schools and see the enthusiasm in their faces. as for GOD... not everyone believes in god and what you feel is right is not necessarily right for others.  |
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Date: 6/26/2002 8:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
If the US keep on turning their backs on God, and denying, banning him, I am sorry to say it but, worse things will come to the US. May God have mercy...!!! |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 31707
I have a small opinion. In my belief God is a person by person choice. I dont believe ANYONE should enforce religion of any shape or form on anyone. it is one persons choice to believe while another may not believe. I myself dont. I saw in a responce that sept 11th made god real. I think it went to prove that there is no GOD at all in my own opinion. and we can argue til hell rises and swallows us whole, but its useless its MY opinion.
In regards to the pledge of allegience. It is ridiculous to remove it from school it is not a prayer. "I pledge allegience to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, inidivisible, with liberty and justice for all." It does mention god, Oh my, what a problem, but it also mentions us pledging ourselves to the flag. which is against the first commandment, by idolizing a material image that is not christian related. which is against all christian believe so there for it is not a prayer. |
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Date: 6/26/2002 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 46486
When I go back to school I'm gunna say the Pledge of Allegience every day. |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
I agree with Dizzy Me....this subject has been posted over and over today. As for this country being founded on Christian beliefs....that is false. Many of the founding fathers were Deists. Here are some quotes......."As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams.).............."The truth is that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a systemof fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." Thomas Jefferson  |
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Date: 6/26/2002 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
Yes, Lady Heppa! But the Bible also says to "give Caesar what is of Ceasar's, and God what is God's." Excuse any errors. I am trying to translate from Spanish to English. |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
Not everyone believes in God. I think there might be something up there, but I'm not sure. After being treated like crap in a Catholic school years ago, I find it hard to think about the Christian religion without painful memories. No, I wasn't one of those sexually abused kids, I was just treated like trash. But anyway, what about the Buddhists? And the hindus? This isn't exactly constitutional for their beliefs, don't you think? Nobody hates God, either. There are a few who do, but just because the pledge was taken away, it doesn't mean people are anti-God. Don't worry about it. As long as you love God, that's all that matters, right?  |
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Date: 6/26/2002 8:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 55583
ok, first off, it's only in nine states so far, and before it goes into effect, it's going to be appealed over and over again. Sweet..Rican, this country was NOT founded on Christianity, quite opposite. It was founded in retreat from the persecution for not having the same faiths as the others. This country has based itself on being a melting pot. Different ethnicities, along with different religions. TigerEye, not to get picky, but I don't appreciate being called ignorant for having different beliefs from everyone else, but I understand you are speaking from your heart and feelings, so oh well, I guess I'm just ignorant for agreeing with this ruling. BusyBee, I don't dispute that that is your right to pledge the flag or to pray whenever you want, but it is also my right to not have to. And in schools we were made to. During graduation, there was a Christian prayer more than two times during the whole ceremony. I don't think that belongs there. Of the over 400 students, not all are Christian or Catholic, or believe in God. It is not fair to those who do not believe in God, and it is their, as any one else's right to not believe in God. And about the Sept. 11th thing and God becoming very real to most Americans. I completely agree and think that is very hypocritical of Americans. Just like finding God when lying on your death bed. But again, just because God became real to many Americans, does not mean that it was to ALL Americans. And those Americans that don't believe in God have rights as well. As for the turning your backs on God, well then don't. Do it in YOUR personal lives, as I'm sure many of you have, but don't make others follow in your beliefs just because you believe they are the truth. It's all a matter of opinion. Good posts and topic. :-) ~zoe~ |
Date: 6/26/2002 8:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 25481
hmm...thats pretty sad..But I think they shouldnt have taken it away, just given people a choice to do the pledge or not. Cause it will make more sense....  |
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Date: 6/26/2002 9:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 31707
ok sweet, I have 4 bibles in my posession some from my catholic high school so they are edited, give me the book, chapter and verse of that |
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Date: 6/26/2002 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
Ok Lady Heppa: here it is...1) Matthew 22:21, 2)Mark 12:17, 3)Luke 20:25 I hope that helps. Sorry for any errors in the Bible's book names translations LOL!! |
Date: 6/26/2002 9:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 31765
well...here's my 2 cents: founded on CHristianity? No. It was founded by people who sought to escape religious persecution, who in turn, persecuted the Native Americans. But that's another story that many of us choose to forget. The pledge is an allegience to Country, not God. This has been a long time coming, I remember YEARS ago this was being talked about. It will be interesting to see the outcome.  |
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Date: 6/26/2002 9:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 31707
in the edition I have here Mathew 22:21 those men that jesus was speaking to were giving money to the church, and jesus wanted none of it since the ceasers face was on it |
Date: 6/26/2002 9:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 45684
I think the Pledge is ridiculous to begin with.  |
Date: 6/26/2002 9:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 19382
You cried? Jeez. Has little to do with everyone hating god. Not everyone beleives in your chrisitan god that's all. I don't know if should have been removed totally but instead not made mandatory. If you didn't want to you wouldn't have to do anything. Or just remove that little "under god" line.  |
Date: 6/26/2002 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
SOLUTION take "Under God" out of it. Gee how hard was that? This whole issue is ignorant. If a person doesn't want to say it DON'T. If a person wants to say it DO. HOW IS THAT FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH???? That court has the highest rate for overturns, it will probably be overturned anyway.....  |
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Date: 6/26/2002 9:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
No, Lady Heppa!! Read again! The church people were trying to surprise Jesus in something wrong to kill him. They hated him because he will always denouce (sp?) them because they would say that they were righteous under God's eyes, when they were hypocrites! Remember that by that time, Jews were under the Roman government regime. Jews hated the Roman Empire. They had to pay taxes to the Roman Government. Then, that's why these church people asked Jesus: "Is it right that we pay taxes to Ceasar, or not?" And then you can read that Jesus knew what was in their hearts, their cleverness. They wanted Jesus to reply: "YES" so they could accuse him of being a traitor to his own people, the JEWS. But Jesus replied: "Give Caesar what is Ceasar's, and God, what is God's", implying that we need to be responsible to our government. This is not idolatry. I hope I cleared that. |
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Date: 6/26/2002 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
Implying that we can be christians and still pay our taxes to the Government and be responsibles as citizens. |
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Date: 6/26/2002 9:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
It doesn't say anything about Jesus not wanting money for the church because it has Caesar's face in it. |
Date: 6/26/2002 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Here is the Thing, "Under God" No one here really knows what that means, including the author. It is not Under Jesus, Triune God, God of Abraham. It does not say that, it just says God. It does not mean that God will run this nation, or does not promote a religion, it was never intended to promote religion. It does not even have anything to do with a particular religion. Here is what that means, it means that anyone has the right to worship or not to worship anyone they please, or how ever they please. Conclusion, it was never intended to promote any religous ideas. This nation was founded on religious freedom. Seperation of Church and State, that just means the state will not enforce a religion, that is all. It was never meant to mean that relgion to be banned from goverment, that is not what that meant. In the context that many people thing seperation of church and state, in that context, only one person used seperation of church and state in that context, his name was Adolf Hitler. He used that phrase to get the church off his back. If America does not wake up soon, what happen in Europe in the mid 1930's to the early 1940's, it is very likely that the samething could or will happen in the US soon. If we don't learn from history, we will be doomed to repeat it.
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Date: 6/26/2002 9:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 56544
My mom and I had a heated discussion about this same thing today. In the wonderful United States of America that we live in we have some wonderful rights that our founding fathers gave us. One of them is Freedom of Religon, with this we may choose our own religon, whether we claim to be Christian, Morman, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, Budist,ect... we have that choice as Americans. Most all religons belive in a higher being, however in some religons the "higher being" is not called God. In fact some people could be offended by someone calling their "higher being" God. Alot of people are coming down on Atheists because of this ruling, saying that they are Satanic devil worshippers, which they are not. Let me say that I am not Atheist and I do beleive in God however I do not belive that the word "God" should be in public schools because that is infringing on the rights of our fellow Americans that have choosen a religon to follow that does not refer to their "higher being" as God. Yes America needs God but Not all America calls him God. |
Date: 6/26/2002 9:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
SWEET:::: you my dear have did a really GOOD JOB!! Hugs honey! love mama  |
Date: 6/26/2002 10:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
Under God was inserted by Congress in 1954. They had no business doing so and should remove the phrase from the national pledge. In god we trust should come off the money too. People needing God is not the issue. oving or hating God is NOT the issue. It's the US government sponsoring God that is illegal. Religion and government MUST be kept separate for the sake of ALL peoples freedom of worship.  |
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Date: 6/26/2002 11:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
The Government isn't "sponsoring God" by having his name on something. If someone doesn't like the way it is then they shouldn't look at it or maybe they should find a better cause to debate. These words have been in the Pledge for many decades as has God on our money. I wish those that want these removed would stop wasting taxpayers time and dollars. |
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Date: 6/26/2002 11:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
"In God We Trust" has never caused anyone any harm (bodily or mentally). Who's to say it hasn't prevented harm from us? Why change something that isn't broken?! ;o) |
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Date: 6/27/2002 12:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 54071
Well, I think it is ridiculous if they get rid of it because of God... But I don't really see a point in having it since in highschool, you rarely ever say it. But I think that they should have it and have an option for you to say it like they do. SInce I never really say it or even stand up because yes what it stands for and the flag stands for is good. BUt the government is turning it into a messed up thing and I don't believe in all the things the govt does. BUt that is stupid if they are getting rid of it because it has god in it... psh... what is the world coming to.? |
Date: 6/27/2002 4:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 28363
Thank God for atheist doctors and lawyers - I hope they go after apple pie and mothers next.  |
Date: 6/27/2002 5:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
If you say a Pledge, Or take an Oath, will it make you a better Person? If you Swear to tell the Truth in a Court of Law, Will it stop you from being able to Lie? Anything to do with Pledges, Oaths, And swearing, all promotes "EVIL"! Just answer, and let your Yea be Yea, and your Nay, be Nay. I am very Thankful that I was born in the U.S.A., but I do not have to take an Oath Promising to be Trusting, and Faithful to the Government (Republic) for Which controls it!  |
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Date: 6/27/2002 5:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
Author 56544, you said "One of them is Freedom of Religon, with this we may choose our own religon, whether we claim to be Christian, Morman, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, Budist,ect... we have that choice as Americans." With this in Mind, Would it not Appear to "ALL" here, that it would be more Appropriete for the Law to change, the Fact that there are "RELIGIONS" here in America that Believe God has Instructed them that they are Not suppose to take ANY KIND OF OATH? "EVEN", in a court of Law? WE have freedom OF religion. This is some's religion! Yet, we are Forced in our courts to swear by OATH! However, those who do not WISH to say a pledge with "UNDER GOD" do not have too! They are not "FORCED" to do so!! So..., Where is the true justice here? Just "WHERE" should the law be Changed? |
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Date: 6/27/2002 7:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 50249
To Firstborn: Thanks mom!; To You Choose: I couldn't agree with you more. God bless everybody! Love, |
Date: 6/27/2002 9:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 32659
What makes you think that removing the pledge from schools is a sign that people hate God? That seems like a pretty ignorant thing to say. You can debate if God exists or not all you want, however the fact remains that it is not legal to push ANY religion in schools. I personally never liked saying "one nation, under God" since I guess I'm one of the ignorant ones who doesn't understand God... So I decided to stop saying that part for the past 2 school years. I'm very glad to see that the pledge is finally being banned, I don't need to say it every morning to know that I love being an American citizen and that I'm faithful to my country.  |
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Date: 6/27/2002 10:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 56272
I really agree with this.. I don't think god should be mentioned in it.. if people can find a way to say the pledge of allegiance without mention of god or religion then it would be okay.. why should people have to believe in god... not all of us believe or practice religions |
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Date: 6/27/2002 3:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 28363
The ruling has been stayed -- Wooo Hooo-- thats one for the good guys |
Date: 6/28/2002 2:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 56024
Ive never done the pledge of alliegence in school. my moms a jehovahs witness and to a sense i am too ,. when i was little we went to church but stopped going when i was around 7 or 8 and we were told we didnt have to do it- i think most of us took it as we shouldnt. so we just stood there with our hands to our sides and didnt speak it. I dont think its that ridiculous if they take it away. i mean i believe in god . go read my post in angels,god,spiritual called. heaven,hell,and me. but i dont think it should be forced onto you like that at such a young age. I think you should find god for yourself. I think glutony is a sin in anything. and that includes saying those same words every day at the same time. - i dont really have an opinion if it should stay or be tooken away. but i dont think of it as a bad thing if they do take it away. maybe it will open up more minds.  |
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Date: 6/28/2002 5:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
To take it completely away would be ok for my vote, but to take out God, and leave it, would be so sad for all those Christians who have always been Saying it, while being to dumb to reconize that They are promising by Oath to Believe and Trust fully in a Government of This World, "RATHER" than GOD. They have always Argued that they would not say it, if it did not say Under God in it! Well.., Guess What Fellow Christians? Your Government, The One you have been Pledging Aliegence to, has LET YOU DOWN! If you would have been putting your Faith, Trust, and Loyalty in Jesus Christ Our God, You would not have been let Down! Keep on Trusting your Worldly Government. Keep putting your Faith, and Loyalty in it, by your Oath and Pledge of Alegence. And you will soon see, just how much more you are gonna find yourselves let down, by the American Government. I am against "ANY" government of this World, if they, (by Force or Deception) try to come between God and His People! |
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Date: 6/28/2002 6:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 50249
*applauds* Very well said, Haadam!!! I agree with you 100%. |
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Date: 6/28/2002 9:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 28363
Hehe Evette- if you come to texas to be a teacher I will personally assist you with your pledge of allegence to the lone star state (lol) TGIF |
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Date: 6/28/2002 12:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
Donno, I am not Evette!! My name is Ada Marie! LOL!! I think you are losing your mind...!!! Bad memory... |
Date: 6/29/2002 10:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 40319
You know, I almost broke into tears yesterday, wanna know why? Several people wrote into my local newspaper bashing atheists and other non-believers. They said if people didn't like "good" Christian values they could get out of the country (they used stronger words that I won't repeat). They were actually making threats against atheists. I am an atheists and how do you think it makes me feel when people bash me for my beliefs? How do you think I feel when people push their religion onto me? People need to understand that just because they believe in a god doesn't mean everyone else does. It hurts me that a country that's supposed to support freedom of religion is so controlled by one faith. In my eyes, the pledge is unconstitutional. The government can't place one religion above another. What if someone created a god named Milk. Would the Christians want to say "one nation, under Milk"? No! Why? Because it's against their beliefs! I'm sorry. I'm going on and on. It's been a weird couple days for me.  |
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Date: 6/29/2002 9:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 32659
Well said Brianna. |
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Date: 6/29/2002 9:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 55376
The solution is school vouchers. Og |
Date: 6/30/2002 4:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 28363
9 out of 10 Americans want the word God in the pledge-- That has nothing against atheists. We
believe that America is given its riches through
Gods providence. Pure and simple |
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Date: 6/30/2002 6:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 50249
*applauds* YESSSS!!!! BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! You said it, Donno!! Very well!!! Yes!!! Donno! Donno! Donno! Donno! You are the man!!! YESSSS!!!!!!! |
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Date: 6/30/2002 5:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 40319
Whether 9 out of 10 Americans want 'god' in the pledge doesn't matter. If the word 'god' is in the pledge, it cannot and should not be said in public schools. If allowed, it has the same effect as forcing a child to bow their head and pray. |
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Date: 7/15/2002 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 54071
OKay, god doesn't only mean christians.... since there are many religions that has a main "God". Just everyone seems to think that because the word God is said that it means that christians are trying to force something upon you. But Wiccas believe in the Goddess, which is practically the same as god. Both are higher powers. And the only people that should be offended by this are athiests but to them they could just leave that word out. It is pointless and stupid for America to be so paranoid about what to be able to say about religion in school or not. It is stupid. |
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Date: 7/16/2002 10:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 40319
The word god was added as meaning the Christian god. And there is a big difference between a goddess and a god. |
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Date: 7/18/2002 2:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 54071
yes there is a difference, I know. But from studying the religions. They almost mean the same thing. And the reason why it was put as the christian god was because that was the main main religion back then when they first made the pledge of allegiance, and when the U.S. first came about. But times have changed, so the meaning also could be seen as different to. |
54461 Category:(Debate) Created:(6/26/2002 8:14:00 PM)