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What Really Happened Over Pennsylvania? Flight 93

  Author:  15070  Category:(Conspiracy) Created:(7/19/2002 7:35:00 PM)
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What really happened over Pennsylvania in Flight 93 on 9-11? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found this on the internet & HAD to share it with you guys:

What really happened over Pennsylvania in Flight 93 on 9-11-01?

Background: I didn't even give this crash a second thought until I got a couple phone calls from friends on the 11th saying friends of theirs with inside information "knew" it was shot down. Whatever - friend of a friend info isn't worth much. (I never say Flight 93 was shot down on this website. Just take it easy.)

But that did pique my curiosity enough to follow the story and begin collecting what little news I could find. I have linked to local reports that have never been reported by the mainstream media. A one ton engine part survives a near vertical impact and is found far from the crash. Burning debris falling from the sky, clothing, books and human remains found miles away. An air traffic controller reports an F-16 "must have seen the whole thing". You can verify it by reading the original stories yourself. 95% of the accounts I've linked to have full witness names and reporters names.

Looking at all the details so far - nothing really adds up neatly for me, except that Flight 93 had a midair crisis that caused debris to fall before it crashed. I remain skeptical of all the theories... except one. We are not being told what happened - and the Government knows exactly what happened.

Important news... The FBI has declined to release the Cockpit Voice Recorder to the families: europe.cnn.com/2001/US/12...index.html

Comment: They say the tape is too horrible. Then they say the voices are indiscernible, then they say the families will find no comfort there. Indeed.

The FBI has never stated heroes were ever in the cockpit. No official ever has. If you find such a statement please email me a link.

My question is this: why not release the Flight Data Recorder info? There is nothing horrific on it. There is nothing there that will aid and abed terrorists. It's simply data about the aircraft as it flew and crashed. There's only one reason. Because it shows the plane losing an engine, flipping upside down and crashing in a way that they don't care to explain.

November 27th - The FBI recently provided a partial Cockpit Voice Recorder transcript to 3 Newsweek reporters. It appears to verify things I've been saying for 2 months, like"The Investigators are looking into the possibility that the heroes came very close to the cockpit, it is unclear that they actually reached the cockpit door." Here is what I think about the latest Newsweek report.

I have some basic questions reporters aren't asking. Why?

1) We had somewhere between 30 and 55 minutes after Flight 93 was "suspect" to intercept it. The current official story is that 3 F-16 fighters had been scrambled at 9:24AM and were airborne over Washington D.C. by 9:40AM. AWACS and a Tanker were scrambled also. These pilots saw the Pentagon on fire, the President had OK'd a shootdown, the Secret Service had advised the pilots to protect the White House at all costs, and Flight 93 was the only aircraft off course - heading toward D.C. - with it's transponder off. Flight 93 crashed at 10:06AM only 125 miles from D.C. (10 minutes away at 750mph for an F-16) and 3 nuclear power plants were in between Flight 93 and D.C. Fighter pilots have weighed in and told me likely speeds might be 600+ for the F-16's and 300+ for the 757 converging at 1000 mph.

What did those 3 fighters do from 9:40AM until 9:55AM when they finally turned towards Flight 93 and were 60 miles out at 10:06am?

Remember, at 8:45 we scrambled 2 F-15's and they reached the WTC 15 minutes later. Why were the FIRST jets so quick to react by comparison?

2) Why did Air Traffic Controllers in a Nashua Telegraph article report an F-16 was circling Flight 93 and was in visual range at the time of crash - and why does the Government currently DENY that?

Comment: Of these two, who is more likely to be accurate? And why has the FBI told Air Traffic Controllers not to talk with the press under threat of prosecution? Answer: As a condition of employment Contollers are required to have a "secret" security clearance rating. As a civilian air traffic controller you are bound to know military flight information that should remain secret. This makes perfect sense due to the fact that the FBI is conducting a Criminal Investigation into the crash. Witnesses may also be prohibited from talking to the press regarding the incident.

The white mystery jet was witnessed by dozens - was that what this controller saw on his screen? Clearly, no controllers are talking to the media about that white jet - but a lot of civilians were.

3) What caused an entire engine and human remains to be found a considerable distance from the main crash site?

4) How did metal scraps, clothing and garbage bags full other debris gathered by residents and turned over to the FBI float on the breeze from a 35 foot deep muddy hole through wet, muddy fields for between 2.5 and 8 miles in 9 knot(10.4 mph) winds as the NTSB has declared? Why hasn't this happened in any other airline crashes that did not have mid-air traumas?

5) How easy is it to grab the controls and override the autopilot? Answer: Easy. You can disconnect the autopilot by bumping the control yoke, there is also a switch on the yoke for autopilot disconnect as well as switches on the autopilot control panel in the center of instrument panel. Once the autopilot is disengaged the plane will fly according to the inputs the pilot puts on the yoke and rudder transmitted via rods and pulleys throughout the plane. This would include the capability to fly the plane beyond its designed.flight envelope. The Flight Control Computers ARE the autopilot computers.

5.1) How easy is it to grab the controls, and overstress a 757 to the point its engine and bags of debris falls from the sky? Would that debris look like confetti raining down? Answer: Simulators do not simulate overstress. It's difficult to know what would happen.

6) What was the explosion and white smoke that the first cell phone caller reported? And the explosion a 911 dispatcher heard shortly after talking to a passenger right before the line went dead? Ground witnesses report hearing several explosions.

7) If a bomb went off on board, would the first cell phone caller sealed in the lavatory be able to report it? Answer: It's reasonable. The lav is sealed, a bomb could have been small.

What was the mysterious white jet trailing Flight 93 before the crash, and witnessed by so many just after the crash?

9) From an email: Everything seems to focus on the possibility of interception by fighters from the DC area - there are AT LEAST two and probably three guard and reserve fighter squadrons equipped with F-16s that were within less than 100 miles of the route of Flight 93. The Ohio guard has F-16s at Springfield and Toledo and I am almost positive there is also a fighter squadron at Greater Pitt. The Vermont guard maintains strip alert with F-16s at Burlington, and has for years. There are also active duty and reserve/guard fighter bases in Indiana.

Another email: I have a inside source that can verify the National Guard F-16's at Hancock field in Syracuse NY were in the air early that morning before 9am.

Another email: You want the truth? Ha, that secret is neatly tucked away at Otis Air Base. Good Luck.

"Otis Air National Guard Base is the only active air defense base on the East Coast between our Canadian border and the Washington, D.C., area," said a statement released by the 102nd Fighter Wing on Tuesday. (9-11-01) www.capecodonline.com/cct...zxsf16.htm

Comment: Is it possible an F-16 from somewhere other than Langley or Andrews was in the air and moved towards Flight 93? It's a good point, all other airbases seem to be ignored by the press.

Partial Answer: Federal military officials recently confirmed that the 180th Fighter Wing - an Ohio Air National Guard unit based at Toledo Express Airport - was the first unit outside the East Coast to answer the Air Force’s plea for immediate help.

"They had the fuel. They had guns. That’s what was needed," said retired Lt. Col. Alan Scott, who has been analyzing the air responses for the Air Force. www.toledoblade.com/apps/...036&Ref=AR

Comment: This report has the Toledo F-16's not in the air until after all 4 hijacked aircraft crashed, and Syracuse based fighters joining them 1/2 hour later at 10:45am. I've had eyewitnesses email me saying Syracuse based F-16's were in the air before 9am.

A 44 year old lieutenant colonel in the Ohio Air National Guard and an F-16 pilot passed away due to a heartattack Dec 2, 2001. Mr. Raffa was the full-time commander of operations for the 180th and was deployed in Iraq last year.

10) C'mon - wouldn't an aircraft that was shot down be blown away in a huge ball of fire? Answer: Have you ever seen a 757 shot with cannons or an air to air missile? Maybe. Let's think about it.

Will any reporter ask these things? Got better questions? Email me and I'll put them here. A lot of you guys need to run a virus checker.

"Not only do we have a right to know, we have a duty to know what our Government is doing in our name... If there's a criticsm to be made today, it's that the press isn't doing enough to put the pressure on the government to provide information." Walter Cronkite - On the 3-28-02 Media Matters Show on PBS.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". - Ben Franklin

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FLIGHT 587 Here are 2 Flight 587 Crash eyewitnesses you guys need to hear. I heard this the morning of that crash. Witness 1
Witness 2 Another 587 link: twa800.com/news/bjnews-11-15-01.htm

I really want to believe the NTSB about 587 but then I read this NYPOST story - "For the NTSB to seriously speculate that the bloody tail fell off in the face of so much evidence that it didn't happen is arrogant and treating us all like a bunch of morons." www.nypost.com/seven/1202.../35535.htm

TWA 800 1-31-02 Flight 800 Navy Witness finally talks. It was shot down. www.aim.org/publications/...01/30.html

But he later retracts his story to save his pension. www.newsmax.com/commentar...3/8/002754

http://pub24.ezboard.com/bparanormalresearch32456

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Date: 7/19/2002 8:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 57830    wow, you have really done some researching!! Softball<3Babe  
Date: 7/19/2002 8:12:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    thank you....I know my posts of late seem to "run"-on....but I believe the information here, will make my case for me.  
Date: 7/19/2002 9:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    Very interesting post, LSG. I have not thought much about whether or not this flight actually crashed or was shot down....so you have peaked my interest. Here is a good website address with eyewitness accounts of what happened as the plane crashed ... http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_eyewitness.html  
Date: 7/20/2002 4:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 19682    I recall that morning the whole tragedy unfolding, that a chase plane was sent out and to possibly shoot down the aircraft, however, they hesitated to act on that plan due to the civilians on board. It is very possible they decided to take that action. I did hear that though the plane(s) were planning to be sent.  
Date: 7/20/2002 7:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    And that's not the only thing. Someone on here ages ago mentioned a website that had ground and arial pictures of the pentagon on the day of the crash. There was no plane there. The 'crash' only destroyed one layer of the pentagon (a part that was having building work done anyway. The hole that was made by the 'crash' was too small to accommodate a plane of the size mentioned. They say that it was caused by a missile. It's interesting that there was very little visual evidence of the 'plane' from security cameras. And what there was came at a horizontal angle, not an oblique angle that you'd expect from a plane. Anyway I saw the pictures and they don't look like a plane did the damage. Also the grass in front was green. You would think that a passenger plane would have spewed out fuel... Coolade  
Date: 7/20/2002 8:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 28363    Its a very well put together post, my guess, from your evidence, would point to a shoot down. So if thats the premise, then the interest to keep that quiet is very obvious. To keep people from having overtly negative reactions thus avoiding civil unrest and social chaos. Thank you for all the wonderful research on this subject  
Date: 7/20/2002 10:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 24732    Wow, interesting post. I don't know if I will ever be sure on what happened on Flight 93? But ever since that day I knew something strange had gone on with it. I really haven't heard much about Flight 93 at all, it seems as if people try to stray away from it.  
Date: 7/21/2002 6:39:00 AM  From Authorid: 56864    As to what you say about the Pentagon, you're right! The twin tower elevators were destrroyed by flaming jet fuel flying down the shafts. If a plane hit the pentagon, flaming jet fuel would rocket down the corridors, killing much more people than it did. The jet fuel would also spew through the plane itself, causing an unbelievable explosion.  
Date: 7/27/2002 5:33:00 AM  From Authorid: 51876    Very well presented thanks for all the research and evidence gathering.I have seen the totaltarian/Facist takeover of our world get deeper and deeper.Everything is subject to Media Manipulation.I stepped away from conspiracy for a month and Glad to see other's posting relevant facts...Takerez.....BruiextheGreenman  
Date: 7/27/2002 11:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 59906    you sure have done your reasearch... i read a lot about this.. and there is definetly something enormous going on... and i think its going on in america.. in washington dc.. Vicious She
Date: 7/29/2002 2:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 63026    Interesting, Let me know if u find more about this.  
Date: 8/12/2002 6:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 61793    im one of the people with inside information. One of my dads freinds works directly with guliani and on 911 he heard what actually happened and that we had indeed shot it down. Also our loacal radio station had been talking about how the flight could have been shot down and after a break they never said another word about the flight at all. Kind of makes you wonder hmmmm?

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