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Fascism - It Has Happened Here POSTED by Firstborn

  Author:  16671  Category:(Discussion) Created:(7/19/2002 10:08:00 PM)
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In 1935, the American writer Sinclair Lewis, best known for his novels, Main Street and Babbitt, wrote It Can't Happen Here, a tale of an American president who becomes a dictator to save his country from welfare cheats, promiscuity, runaway crime, and a liberal press. Enraged by the fascism sweeping Europe, Lewis wrote his novel as a rejoinder to its title. Yes, fascism can happen here, he warned. Were Lewis alive today, he would re-title his novel: It Has Happened Here.

George W. Bush promulgates a new defense doctrine that would allow the Pentagon to undertake pre-emptive attacks. "If you wait for a threat to fully develop, you've waited too long," he explains. This is like walking down the street and emptying an M-16 into passers-by who aren't wearing business suits. "Potential muggers," you explain. "If I waited to find out whether they were friend or foe, I would have waited too long."

The Justice Department declares that "the military has the authority to capture and detain individuals whom it has determined are enemy combatants in connection with hostilities the Nation is engaged, including enemy combatants claiming American citizenship. Such combatants, moreover, have no right of access to counsel to challenge their detention."

To put this plainly: If the president, or his operatives, don't like you, for whatever reason, they can have you thrown in jail indefinitely, without charge, without the right of appeal, without access to council or the civilian courts. Indeed, the Justice Department says the courts "may not second-guess the military's enemy-combatant determination." And then it goes on to warn that "a conflict of military and judicial opinion (would be) highly comforting to the enemies of the United States," whoever they are, but apparently there are a lot of them -- countries and individuals, including individual Americans -- just waiting to be designated as such by the commander-in-chief.

Would it be too much to say this amounts to a police state? Would it be too much to say the President has become a dictator? Would it be too much to say that Washington's militarism is frighteningly similar to the Nazi's (expect more ambitious)? "If such a thing were happening in any other country," editorialized the Washington Post, "Americans would know exactly what to call it." So would Sinclair Lewis.

I did not write this, however I do agree with it.

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Date: 7/19/2002 10:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 20921    wow, thats something really interesting, and downright scary thanx for sharing firstborn........  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:14:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Your welcome Papi, and its good to see you. email me sometime let me know how ya are.  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 33922    Never a Dull moment reading your Posties.HUGS  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 45684    Its a sad thing to be ashamed of your own country...I love America, but not what it is becoming.  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 49713    something for my brain on here? wow! ok lets see// interesting post. .i had no idea that if the president didn't like you he could have you locked up forever with no trial or anything. if all this information is true then i would have to agree also. but on the other hand the usa is better to live in then any of the other countries are. not everything they do is right or fair but it keeps me free enough, to where i still love my country and am happy to have been born here// thanks for the post//necro420  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:23:00 PM  ( Admin-MG )   woser!! that is scary! Very scary!
Date: 7/19/2002 10:31:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Thank Judi, and Hugs, All WILL turn out well. Loves ya.
TECHNICOLOR: I love america too, but I fear for how its becoming.
  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 57075    i swear to god...we have this siege mentality that just won't go away...when will it stop? shouldn't we just lay low for a while?
-ArtemisOrthia-
  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:40:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Necro: it wasnt always like this, but its been steadyly changing and not for the Good. So many NEW things have cropped up since 9-11 and of course they tell us they are doing it for OUR GOOD. Sure they are.
MG: YEP very very scary.
  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:47:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    -ArtemisOrthia, ya would think so huh? But I can only see worse things happening. NOW I just post this stuff as Kind of a "information" thing for people as I really dont see WHAT we can do about any of it, but its better to KNOW what is going on around us then be left in the dark and then TRY and say, Well I have my rights, when clearly we dont. ITs a sad state of affairs indeed.  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 49713    true i have been trying to stay blind to it, but its hard to. i think thats what there depending on//people like me. they can get away with alot when moast are not paying attention. i will have to read more from you//good post by the way//necro420  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:57:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Necro: Hey thanks for stopping by. It doesnt seem I've made any really good post lately, however if you care to look in my junk, you will probably find more information like this. Also watch for freegirls post, Osiris post and Enki posts, they tell alot about what is really happening in our government. There are some really good web sites too. If you find that You want to look at some, just msg me and give me your email addy and I would be glad to send you some links.  
Date: 7/19/2002 10:59:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    OH, and your right, they want this nation to be dummie up so that the take over into martial law will be just a little easier for them to handle. I really thought that it would be declared before now, as well you know what happenes when that is declared, but after 9-11 which I still believe our government knew much much more about then what is let on. Enki has some really good posts about this. BUt I guess its time for this old bird to go to bed. Goodnight all  
Date: 7/19/2002 11:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    ...no need for me to comment on this post FB...ya already know my views on this...and still the sheep go baaa baaa baaa...Peace,  
Date: 7/20/2002 1:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 11528    Hi FB, Yes You are right and this post is very informative. I read an article a few days ago which referred to some new laws contained in the Patriot act that people are not even aware of yet. New laws that will regulate the free speech of the people. I wonder if anyone has a copy of this Patriot act yet. I marvel how all of congress voted in favour of this new act without even reading it, Imagine that. Voting a document into law without reading it. Old Stalin must be very proud of Bush pulling that one off. Bye for now. Enki  
Date: 7/20/2002 7:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 22852    Very, very good FB! Yes sadly I have to agree with this, and as we all know the President will not be re-eleted so before his term is up he will have to declare Marshall Law (sp chk) in order to stay in office so I fear we will attack Iraq and be under complete war before his term is up. Great Post  
Date: 7/20/2002 9:55:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    I have to run for a few, but I will answer all in a few.  
Date: 7/20/2002 12:14:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Yep Agent smith I sure do.
Enki: NO I dont have a copy of it, ITS GOING to regulate free speech. Hey If you get a copy please email it to me. Half the stuff that is voting into law, has so many hundreds of pages that people dont bother reading them. They take the first couple of paragraphs see that Its SOMETHING they think they want and they dont bother with all the little tiny things that are embedded into them.
  
Date: 7/20/2002 12:16:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16671    Yep Stormy, I think so too. AND IF HE does get elected, again, HE will undoubtly be reelected because of the Elite>  

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