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adam, eve, and the serpent

  Author: 60591  Category:(Debate) Created:(8/1/2002 11:21:00 PM)
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There are a lot of misconcetions about this incident that i would love to discuss with a knowledgeable person.For example: mans downfall did not come from disobedeince,in my series of study I find that it came from thier resonces from the question God asked. Which was who told them to eat of the tree of good and evil?Adams reply was "the woman you gave me made me eat" Now i aint no rocket scientist but dosen't that statement seem that the man was casting the blame on everyone but himself? sure it does, he not only blamed the woman but God as well.So God gave eve the next crack at the test to see her response and her reply was just like adam's. "the serpent tricked me"The reason I don't believe it was because of the fruit is because for 1 God placed man, woman, and serpent together knowing that disaster was going to strike.You see mans downfall even today is not because of thier seed but because he chooses not to answer up to his responsibilities and tends to find the blame to go on others.I mean in the NT it states that if a man asks for forgiveness that God is faithful and just to forgive but since adam didn't just to admit to eating the fruit after God gave him a chance to confess by asking him that quetion instead of just plain out punishing them for disobeying.The fruit they ate was not an apple because we humans eat apples on a daily bases but don't die from it. The fruit they ate was off the family tree. Meaning they had sex.Eve came from the rib of Adam instead from dirt like adam was formed. Now using logic and plain ole commonsense which I find not to be so common to everyone is the fact that when a woman has a child out of her own body is not her's to sleep with.The child has it's mother and father's gene and dna So after they ate they immediately new they were naked and felt shame behind what they did.The serpent was not a snake because animals don't talk.The serpent was a well educated individual. For starters he didn't lie to them or trick them he merely told the truth.he said that they would be as gods knowing good and evil. and if you read that chapter in genesis you see that what the serpent said came to light.The serpent just capitalized off thier ignorance. he tapped ole eve too becuase when she conceived she had a good and a bad seed in her.Notice how her punishment of labor fit my previous statement about the friut.the serpent in the days of moses was used as a symbol of healing that same serpent symbol can be found at hospitals law offices and some law firms. if this is debatable then come into my world to challenge.But if you agree I'd love to hear your comments Thanks and bye for now





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Date: 8/1/2002 11:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 52419    True... True.. and like I always say, God created man (and woman), if he did not want them to eat from that tree, why didn't he just make humans that can't eat from tree's or somethin LOL. If I were smart/powerful/divine enough to make something living, and as complex as humans, I would have never let them be able to "do" bad things. So if I were God in the beginning, I would have done it the right way (I know, I am not as smart as God) Mickle  
Date: 8/2/2002 12:01:00 AM  From Authorid: 52419    And as you were saying about Eve sleeping with her child, I guess that makes every last one of us incest! Mickle  
Date: 8/2/2002 2:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 3125    The following will show that the sin Adam and Eve were guilty of was the sin of disobedience unto God...1 Cor 151 For since by man(Adam) came death, by man (Christ born in the flesh) came also the resurrection of the dead (raised for eternal life) ..For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive...Romans 5:12 ..Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned...God had told Adam..If you eat from the tree of good and evil,you shall die..He did eat of that tree which God had told him not to eat of..When he disobeyed an did eat, he did bring sin and death into the world to all mankind..He brought death (a separation from God) into this world..They would have lived forever in the garden in a perfect state.. God evicted them from the garden and blocked the tree of life..When God blocked this tree, Adam and Eve would now suffer a physical death due to their sin of disobediece..They could no longer eat of the tree of life. Therfore, their disobedience brought a physical death to all mankind... Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man,(Adam) saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat.. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die...This shows a commandment God had given unto Adam and if Adam disobeyed then he shall surely die..God gave forth a coomandment and a punishment if Adam would disobey Him..What did God tell Adam not to do?...Not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.. Did Adam obey God or disobey Him? Read Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.. The *serpent* just called God a liar and Eve believed him.. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil..When Adam and Eve disobeyed God's commandment,Adam(first man) brought sin into the world..Sin brings death.(the wages of sin is death)..As for the sin of having sex..Read Gen 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. God instituted the first marriage..He made Adam and Eve husband and wife...Read Matt 19:5 For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh. Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together,let not man put asunder..In a few verses down in the same passage, we will find that the subject is divorce and fornication..In Gen 18 God said to the man and woman " Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it,etc.. One can not multiply without having sex..God had intended for them to have sex and multiply before they disobeyed His commndment.. I hope this helps..It is late and I need to get to bed..((hug-zzzzzz


  
Date: 8/2/2002 4:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 11528    The entire problem here is that You are trying to make sense of the story using the bible only. The fall of man story in the book of Genesis is only the Hebrew version of the story. It is a modified and extremely short version of the Epic of creation which was written down as history by the Sumerians. Just for the record, what they call the serpent in the garden was the God Enki. Enki was also the same god who saved a remnant of man during the great flood. The problem with the bible is that they take attributes of more than one god and blended them into a single all powerful super duper god. Read the older stories, it will all make sense then and You will see how the hebrews altered the real story to suit thier purposes. Bye for now. Enki  
Date: 8/2/2002 4:42:00 AM  From Authorid: 11528    By the way, the god/being Enki was not a snake. His symbol was intertwined snakes around a staff and that symbol is still in use today in medicine. Think of strands of DNA,,, I think they call it the double helix. Bye for now. Enki  

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