Date: 8/11/2002 8:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 52866
Her punishment was absolutely legitimate in my opinion.  |
Date: 8/11/2002 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 56997
I can't remember did she get the death penalty??? Eye for an eye huh?? Well that is what you get when you kill ppl even if she and other's say she wasn't in her "right" Mind!  |
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Date: 8/11/2002 8:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 52866
Like, okay, if she was sane enough to have children I think she would be sane enough not to kill them |
Date: 8/11/2002 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 7654
When a mentally ill person is inprisoned they do receive medical treatment and counciling.More so really....Because they are supervised...While in the free world this lady was intrusted to take her medication on her own and she failed to do so...As for a mentally ill person knowing right from wrong , I don't think that holds true ...It's like they at times they have more than one person in their minds telling them what to do..As for her punishment, I think life with out a chance of parole would have been a better punishment...  |
Date: 8/11/2002 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 43911
DazzleMe! WOW!! I really appreciate this post! I know EXACTLY where you are coming from!! i SOOO agree...matter of fact...if you do a post search and bring up some of the debates that took place on this site around the time of the verdict, you'll see some of my replies and i said basically EXACTLY what you said....this woman is mentally ill...i don't care what they say...i'm a psychology major and a lot of people just do not understand the seriousness of a disease like she had....yes, it is VERY sad that this woman killed her 5 kids...but realistically there is nothing that can bring those kids back now, it is the mother that needs help....i agree that she should be locked up and punished for her crime...that is a given, but this woman needs to get mental attention for her disease...she needs to be in a mental institute prision....this was a GREAT post! Thanks for sharing your opinion....  |
Date: 8/11/2002 10:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
Her husband should be in the cell right next to her. Let them rot in prison.  |
Date: 8/11/2002 10:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 48941
Honestly, I feel her punishment was not at all what she should of gotten. I mean for petes sake she held her babies under water and killed them. If she didn't want to live, then fine. But she was wrong. I have mental problems and serious ones, but I would never do that. And for her husband, he should of had charges brought against him, he knew she was sick and still did nothing to help her, and still let her keep haveing children just because it was against their religeon to have one of them fixed.  |
Date: 8/11/2002 10:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 3688
i agree with Anomaly...they both should've been charged...grieving father my foot...he KNEW she was mentally ill...he KNEW she was having all these problems and HE left those babies with her...there is NO WAY i will say ALL the blame belongs on HER..those babies are dead because he didn't care enough to get her the help she needed.  |
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Date: 8/11/2002 10:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
Now the husband makes money from the publicity of the incident. Without a doubt, he is just as sick as his wife. |
Date: 8/11/2002 10:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
You asked "do you guys agree with the punishment she was given?" NO I DO NOT, I think she should have been drowned in the same bathtub she drowned her children in and after her death her dear old hubby should have been next. They were both guilty in my opinion, she did the actual killing however HE KNEW how sick she was and still left those babies with her. Disguisting excuses for parents IMO...........  |
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Date: 8/11/2002 10:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 48941
I agree they should of thrown him in jail also. It makes me sick. |
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Date: 8/11/2002 10:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 48941
I agree with you. I say in this case an eye for an eye. |
Date: 8/11/2002 11:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Unless you know someone with Depression, have had depression, or have had a child or know someone who has gone through post-partem depression, you can't really understand how mentally unsound a woman can be. My best friend went through post-partem depression...It was difficult, to say the least. Seeing what happened to her (uncharacteristic mental changes), and having experienced depression myself, makes me sympathetic to this woman not being all there. Would anyone like to explain how a mentally sound person could drown her five children? It doesn't happen.  |
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Date: 8/11/2002 11:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Can I also point out....It seems as though everyone just wants to point fingers and pass off blame. True, the husband knew she was sick. But WHO would have EVER thought in a million years that this woman would DROWN HER FIVE CHILDREN??? Very likely no one. I can't fathom throwing the husband in jail for not thinking that would happen-who would? |
Date: 8/12/2002 12:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 55980
I think that when people, be them the parents or not, kill a child or children they too should be killed the same way. I think they should drown her just as she did them...I am an egg  |
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Date: 8/12/2002 1:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 51941
I don't understand how a parent, especially a mother, could do that do her children. I think her punshiment was just fine. Princess Daveena |
Date: 8/12/2002 8:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 48771
It was absolutly right what if she had more children? Even if she was ill it was still wrong!
*~*Jessica*~* |
Date: 8/12/2002 9:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 59071
I feel it was just at much the husband fault. He was one of the reasons that she was mentally ill.
-LimgrnBee219  |
Date: 8/12/2002 9:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 609
This is not going to come out right Im sure but in my opinion she didnt get enuff. I can fathom (not excuse but comprehend) someone being in that kind of state and killing one child, possibly two but 5??!! No way. First of all there was the time it took to drownd each one, I mean perhaps if she had done something more like susan smith with the car then you can use the mental plea but to coldly put your children one by one under water and watch their life ebb away is cold, calous and I cant even begin to wish the punishment I would have her go thru. Im sorry its hard for me to talk of this, it always upsets me. she killed her children shortly after the birth of my first child, and as a mother and one who does try and understand the mindset of that kind of person I can not begin to imagin. The punishment of knowing what she did, that does not make up for the fact that she took 5 little lives, she had no rights to take their lives, it was her duty, responsibility to take care of them and if she couldnt she should have sought help, or just removed herself. I think its unjust she lives while they died and tho I try not to wish anyone ill, I hope the rest of her life is filled with the images of what shes done and that karma repays her for each of them.  |
Date: 8/12/2002 9:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 277
They should have given her the death penalty. She knew what she was doing. SHe laid all those dead children neatly on her bed and called her husband crying. SHe knew what she did was wrong. SHe even chased down the oldest boy to kill him. Anyone who can kill a baby and other small children does not deserve to seek help or live.  |
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Date: 8/12/2002 9:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 277
The husband shouold also be ordered by the courts to have a vasectomy. He should not be able to father any more children. Anyone who would stand behind the murderer of their 5 children should not be able to have anymore. He should also be charged with child neglect for leaving them with his wife. |
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Date: 8/12/2002 10:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 3321
If you are mentally ill, it doesn't matter how much time it takes to kill 5 children...you'll still be mentally ill when you're done killing them. I can't fathom killing my five children, etiher, but then again, my brain is fine. I don't have post partem depression. |
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Date: 8/12/2002 12:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 54196
We should kill all mentally disturbed people preemptively to avoid things of this nature from occurring. Not only should they not be allowed to hurt others, they should definitely not be allowed to contaminate the gene pool. |
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Date: 8/12/2002 12:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 57718
Put yourself in those children's shoes and you'll understand why I would've loved to be the one that pulled the trigger on her. You are a little child who has absolute love and trust in your mommy and she uses that love and trust to give you an excrutiating death. That person you love and trust with no idea that they might hurt you holds you under water and drowns you...I still cry when I think about the pain and horror those children went through at the hands of someone they loved and trusted to never hurt them. I don't care if she really was mentally ill or not, to see those children running into her arms only to be killed by her...she should've have been drowned almost to death 4 times by her mother and drowned to death the fifth time. Just so she could feel what her poor children felt... |
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Date: 8/12/2002 2:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 609
Post partum is a weak excuse...thoes Ive know who have had it including myself for a breif time at the absolute WORST merely think about harming themselvs or even breifly their children. It comes with the hormones, lack of sleep and confusion from being a parent. With 5 Im sure it was a little harder for her but there is a line between thinking and doing something. Ok so for arguments sake she had post partum which I fully believed, that gives feelings but no feelings strong enough to overcome the enacting of thoes thoughts. IF you want to say mental state the only thing you can say is post partum added to the confusion and frusturation of her emotions and thoughts, but it would have to be another mental illness to make her act on that. Perhaps the real answer is that prisions and menal instatutions should be one in the same. I hardly believe any murder can be 100% mentaly sound. To auth: 54196 That is a very cold and unfair statement to make. This day and age EVERYONE is mentally unsound to some degree, hence the contual flow of medications. I do think that people who commit such crimes should be sterlised so they never repeat the action but I think to say 'let's take 'em out and shoot 'em' is not only inhumane and crule but remminisicant of the Holocust. |
Date: 8/12/2002 7:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 57225
okay first of all, her husband knew she had a mental illness when they were married, which obviously he coudnt have caused it, and he married her because he loved her anyways. it was not his fault that the children were killed, the mother had been taking medications, but obviously that wasn't enough for her. the dads mother (the kids grandmother) had been staying with them to help take care of the kids, but she'd leave during some of the day so the mom wouldnt think that she was there to keep an eye on her. so they did try to prevent what happened. i'm not saying that she shouldnt have been in jail at all but she obviously needs *serious* medical attention, especially now, knowing what she did to her 5 children. people around her said she was a good mother, and she was taking medicine. one of the attorneys in her case was saying that even a mentally ill person knows right from wrong, that may be true, but you may not be able to control it. i myself feel sorry for her husband, whatever you guys may say about it, because he just lost his entire family in a very short period of time. it wasnt possible for him to keep an eye on his wife 24/7. he had responsibilities to work, and other things that maybe she wasn't able to work. and it wouldnt of been right to not allow the mother to spend any time with her children. maybe it could have been prevented, but it wasn't, and now i think that they should maybe work a little harder at giving her the right medications and seeing to it that she gets good help..and i also don't agree with whoever said the father should get a vesectimy, if he wants to have more children he should be able to.  |
Date: 8/12/2002 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 27270
I don't doubt she was mentally ill (anyone who kills their child, much less 5 of them, would certainly have to be) but she'd been planning this for ages. I don't think ANY mental illness justifies this. She practiced filling the tub up a few times and strategically planned the murder of her children so that no one could stop her. She is evil. RESTRAINING yourself from murder, to me, should be much like breathing. You just do it! Murder is unnatural, and should you commit it (not to mention 5 times in a row) sorry, but I have no sympathy  |
Date: 8/12/2002 9:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
I cannot imagine what it must have been like to be the eldest child in that house... to live what she actually did... there is no justice in this type of case :(  |
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Date: 8/12/2002 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 27270
After reading some of the posts here, I just want to say that I, too, had post partum depression-bad enough that my doctor wanted to send me away for a "rest period" but NEVER ONCE did I ever consider harming my child or anyone else. I understand ppd can cause extremely upset emotions, confusions, depression, etc. in a person but it's still not a license to kill |
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Date: 8/12/2002 11:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 57225
okay whatever i was just giving my opinion and that is all. :) |
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Date: 8/13/2002 12:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Some people just get so clouded and out there-whether anyone understands or not. And I'm not saying that she should have not gotten any form of punishment...she committed a crime. But to say wipe out mentally ill people from the gene pool? Go back to Hitler you sicko. Next thing you'll be preaching to kill all the religious people but yours. |
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Date: 8/13/2002 2:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 609
I agree Perse, and Thumbilena. Author, your post was good and I thank you for allowing us to all voice our opinions, no matter how different they were. Thanks for posting this :) |
Date: 8/14/2002 6:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 60018
I think that the punishment wasn't enough! Just think of holding not just one but all 5 of your kids under the water until they died. Watching the life go from their eyes. It's crap and she should have gotten the death penatly! Mental or not thats three inoccent people who are now dead...  |
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Date: 8/16/2002 1:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 21948
i only got to half of your story but even though it was wrong with out a doubt to drown her children but she is mentally ill and there's a law against the death penalty for the mentally ill. otherwise she would of died already...princess diva... |
