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Date: 8/13/2002 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 17014
It IS a never ending, relentless battle that some will fight. I for one try to stay out of it now.  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 52419
Why wouldn't you? It is what you believe. Mickle  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Religion is very personal as is each relationship with God. I think every person is entitled to their individuality. :o)  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 50193
People do that because that is what they truly, honestly believe  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 55533
I have seen this happen for other reilgons, i only belive in God, even though people "claim" to have seen him... Good post though :).  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Who are you talking to TDA? Who's religion are you talking about? Not me or mine that's fer sure. I've been saved... saved from a life of eternal torment ... I am religion freeeee - Coolade  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 56369
I know some christians want the best for those they love and cheerish, so they would do anything to stear them to god, me included, thats my point. So any fruits I can drop on you, I do so in hope that it'll 'knock some sense into ya' :P  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
56369, the point is your NOT knocking sense into us. Its lke us hanging off a cliff and you dropping the Rock of Ages on us, hoping it will make us see God, but in the end, it just knocks us down farther from the goal. No offense meant by my comment b.t.w.  |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 20559
I believe every religion is viable- All you need is faith in something  |
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Date: 8/13/2002 9:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 56369
lol its all good, your point is valid but yeh ive said all i wanted to say in my comment above in relation to your post Peace :D -honeysoul |
Date: 8/13/2002 9:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 42519
Are you trying to convert me into Barneyism??? I refuse!  |
Date: 8/13/2002 10:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
*hugs Buffy* "I wuv you, you wuv me, we're a happy fam-ma-weee". Won't you come join my Church of The Purple Dinosaur? :p  |
Date: 8/13/2002 10:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 53961
How do I know the church to which I belong is true? Because I have received a personal revelation to this fact by the power of the Holy Ghost. Hey,Hey,Paula  |
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Date: 8/13/2002 10:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
"How do I know the church to which I belong is true? Because I have received a personal revelation to this fact by the power of the Holy Ghost. " And what if a Buddhist or Muslim says the exact same thing? Does that make it true? Or just true to him? |
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Date: 8/13/2002 10:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
I can't remember where, but I remember reading some of the pages of a diary left by one of those suicide bombers who flew into the WTC; and he had talked about having this "revelation" and commandment from Mohammed. They BELIEVED.......truly believed that THEY were on a mission from God. *wink* |
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Date: 8/13/2002 10:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 57452
~I personally believe in my own independence with faith. To express with candor, my own personal relationship with whomever I chose to believe in of a "higher power." I would not even entertain the idea of telling people what or who one needs to "believe in." That is not fair to other people of different or same religions/Christanity. ex.= One is Catholic, come to this church and try Mormon. It is ok if a person is "curious" and would genuinely be interested in finding out about different churches..Point= No conforming if I am happy where I am at in my own church; and please do not tell me I am going to Hell if I do not become a member of your church or "any" religion in general. You know where my church is? In my head...and in the home I live in. Good post! ~Ms. HollowLuna  |
| Date: 8/13/2002 10:59:00 PM From Authorid: 61384 LOL, some religions feel they have an obligation to spoon feed (or force feed) us their religion for our own good. Not all religions feel you have to share. Mine doesn't, but hey, they don't seem to get, you catch more flies with honey.... |
| Date: 8/13/2002 10:59:00 PM From Authorid: 61384 BTW-good post |
Date: 8/14/2002 1:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 23610
Well, the way I look at it...a lot of the problem lies in the fallacy of the debate or logic of a person who is insistent on making a point without A) Having real facts to back it up ... and B) being as respectful to the right of another to belief a certain way as they would hope someone would be to themselves. Some of the fallcies I have noticed in debating this are 1) Burden Of Proof - The claim that whatever has not yet been proven false must be true. ... 2) Begging The Question - Reasoning in a circle (My belief system is the one and only truth because my Holy Book says so.) ... 3) Argument By Laziness - The arguer has only a limited knowledge of the discussion and refuses to research or investigate any other facts that may shed knew light on the topic. ... And the ever popular ... 4) Appeal To Widespread Belief - The claim, as evidence for a belief, that many people believe it or used to believe it or do it.  |
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Date: 8/14/2002 4:29:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
Oh God have I ever heard that one Lady Nyx. Thinker your right, the terrorists ALSO thought they were on a mission of God, and now we're minus 6,000 people. How long are the dark ages of stupidity going to continue I wonder? |
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Date: 8/14/2002 11:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 61830
VERY VERY FRIGHTENING, first of all, is you using Barney and Baby Bop as religios icons, but hey, to each is own... right? Second, I agree. I think that there are many paths to the divine, and there is a path for all. Since cultures and people are so different... it seems ludicrous to me that there would be only ONE way to salvation, holiness, or god. It seem that some people are so full of emotion that it overcomes them. The Divine for many is a wonderful experience. We fear daily for the life of or loved ones. We hope that whent hey come home late that nothing happened. When we her them fall we come to pick them up. w invite them to parties to be around them. In the afterlife many would like to rejoice and see those that they love rejoice as well. They want to be happy and know that their families are all saved. I think that they get caught up in their religions and their gods to remember that everyone has choice. Many who follow certain religions that require certain things, such as accepting a figurehead, or living a certain way live in joy and fear. They are told to spread the word, and since THEY believe it, they follow their paths. Without these arguments, some would never find their paths. Without these enthusiats some would never find their salvations. So although it may be annoying, it also may help. And since it only takes helping one person, it is justified. |
| Date: 8/14/2002 11:40:00 AM From Authorid: 61587 i think by people explaining their religion to us only gives us a benefit of knowlege..and we learn by debating on it and state our opinion..which is kool with me. |
| Date: 8/14/2002 1:04:00 PM From Authorid: 54196 What, are you trying to say that people have never converted others to their religion? I'm pretty sure that one of the main aims of people who truly believe in their religion is to try to recreate that spark, the original spark that truly MADE THEM BELEIVE. The failure rate of this is dishearteningly high, but it's just like anything else you truly believe in. That's why I want you all to transcend your humanity when the Singularity comes. BUT, I also hate when other people preach, so I wait until I find someone who is warm to my message. Which is also why religions are most vigorous attempting to convert those people who have nothing left to believe in. Alcoholics Anonymous is the perfect example. |
Date: 8/14/2002 1:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 51173
Author, if you are asking for the MOTIVE for trying the answer, in the case of a Christian like myself, is because I am commanded to. Acts 1:8; 5:32; 26:16 are just a few of the scriptures Christians cite as commandments for evangelism. Second, as to providing no proof, how often has Sixgun, Paranoid and myself cited archeological findings, textual criticism arguements, and scientific and philosophical arguements on this website as proof of the Christian worldview, only to be told that such is not proof/its a lie/its made up/its manipulating data/etc. It's not that Christians don't present proof (although I will concede many do not present such information well - the state of discipleship in the Church is not what it was 150 years ago), it is ignored or scoffed at. I have been told that BECAUSE OF WHO I AM (a Christian) THAT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS IMMEDIATELY WRONG OR A LIE! Under such hostile circumstances, it is impossible to present the proof we have in a way that would allow you to make a fair and reasonable judgement, yea or nay, which is all any Christian can ask. Now this is not to say we Christians are always the most skilled defenders of the faith we should be, nor always have the right answer, are immune from gut, human reaction when angered, immune from temptation, express ourselves clearly, etc. And add to this the fact the Church has gotten lazy in discipling believers because Churchmen became more interested in being liked than in telling the Truth, and youhave a recipe for the world we live in, where most Christians aren't prepared to argue for the faith and retreat back to "I believe and that settles it." The proof that the Christian faith is the WAY is there, but now you must look for it yourself to find it because the Church has become ill equipped to lead you to it. But that still does not absolve me or any other Christian from the commandment of God to try and show anyone who will listen. Peace, Tom  |
Date: 8/14/2002 2:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
Thanks, Tom :) You stated many of the reasons why I no longer answer certain posts ... there are quite a few posts out there from people who are not looking for the truth (as I see it). They are looking for yet another means to denigrate, demean, or otherwise put down my faith.  |
Date: 8/14/2002 3:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Yep paranoid, no longer to feed the trolls.  |
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Date: 8/14/2002 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 53961
I am not trying to prove anything. I am just stating fact. You can pick it apart all you want, but the answer is still the same; Jesus is the Christ and He died for YOU and I so that WE may have eternal life. How I know this to be true is from my own personal revelations I have received after searching, pondering and praying. If you have not experienced a witness of the Holy Ghost speaking to your soul, you wouldn't understand. Comparing Him to your examples is mockery. Not a good thing. Hey,Hey,Paula |
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Date: 8/14/2002 9:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
Mockery Paula? I hardly think so. I choose to put my faith in the belief that REGARDLESS of what "revelations" you have had, you DO NOT own the pathway to God, PERIOD. |
Date: 8/14/2002 10:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
It seems to me that if there is no God, any religion that espouses Him is a fairy tale, akin to the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. Therefore, anyone who adheres to such ideas must be deluded and probably in need of intensive therapy and/or medication. It sounds to me like you really have nothing to fear or to be upset about.  |
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Date: 8/15/2002 6:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 53961
What I "own" is my own personal testimony. Everyone else has their own right to choose to "own" or not. Hey,Hey,Paula |
Date: 8/15/2002 6:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 160
Why do I try? a couple of reasons come to mind. First, because Jesus said to go and preach the good news of the kingdom for a witness and then the end would come. This is his commandment to his followers. The scriptures also say that the way to everlasting life is taking in accurate knowledge of the only true God and his son Jesus. But you have to be taking in "accurate knowledge" there are counterfeit religions and false teachings. People cannot come to an accurate understanding because of this. One Example is the hellfire doctrine. A loving God would not make people suffer eternal damnation because they sinned while on earth, yet the churches teach this as truth. We are all born in sin and the tendency is to be selfish and sin. Jehovah knows this and is merciful. But if people think that he is a cruel God they do not understand what he is really all about at all, and are not drawn to him. So this is why I keep trying. But mainly because peoples lives are at stake.  |
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Date: 8/15/2002 6:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 160
To Thinker, The kamakazie suicide missions were also supposed to be divine in nature as the soon to be dead pilots were promised their heavenly reward. |
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Date: 8/15/2002 12:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
While we're on the subject of that PamyJo, you and I both know it preaches incessantly throughout the Bible about God being all about love, God being merciful, God being like a father, etc. Then it turns around and tells about God killing off people for little or no reason (Take the story of Job. God killed almost his entire family just to prove a point) And what of God allowing the slaughter of millions of innocents? Or God allowing entire countries to be enslaved for his names sake? Does he still sound merciful to you? He doesn't to me. The God I worship would NEVER condone or instigate such atrocities. |
Date: 8/15/2002 12:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 25828
i never do, and no one is going to just change their thoughts on religion, instead they're going to defend them, so i don't know why people try to change them either..i'm of the opinion that if you are pursuing religion or enlightenment or a closeness to the powers that be in any way - you are making progress.  |
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Date: 8/15/2002 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 160
You made my point for me, the God that I know is merciful and about love and compassion. For the record it was not God that did anything to Job, it was Satan. He challenged Jehovah and said that the only reason that his faithful servant Job served him was for the many blessings that he recieved. Jehovah allowed Job to be tested and there is a lesson in there for us but it was not him that brought about the conditions that Job had to endure. And religion is what is behind the wars in the middle east, Jesus taught us to love our enemies, so God cannot be blamed for the atrocities that are going on over there. |
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Date: 8/15/2002 7:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 61013
(not to be rude and it doesn't aply to the Author) but why r people saying wiccans r evil they're satanist and some christians r saying everyone elise religon is wrong when its not??? I don't get it maybe if ya'll went through the same stuff u would see why there religon is what it is... Pyro.  |
Date: 8/18/2002 12:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 55967
Jesus Himself simply told his followers to go out and preach the message to people. If they accept, great! If they don't then Jesus told them to shake off the dirt on their sandles from that town and move on. Simple. Practical. Peace. ~GypsyHawk~  |
Date: 8/18/2002 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 59266
to prove a religion the dead would have to rise from the grave and tell us of there adventures. If they don't, It is most probable that they have vanished into oblivion.  |
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