Date: 9/6/2002 11:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
so, if are you saying that if there is a homicide, the best place to start would be a black male 18-24? no, i don't think that's a very well thought out idea, but maybe i just don't understand what you are saying ....  |
Date: 9/6/2002 11:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 27554
No, that is not racial profiling. Those are statistics... based on known facts. I don't see how it would help to fight crime...  |
Date: 9/6/2002 11:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
nope. what i mean is there are different statistical values for all crimes coverig everything from race and age to specified deviant behavior. an example could be a child is kidnapped by a man driving a van and the incident is witnessed by several children nearby. with a decription of this person, their vehicle, the color of the vehicle, the area, age of the child, the color of the child, etc, etc, etc, by looking at statistical values for all these questions, your percentages of landing on the right track are increased. it is a recorded fact that most serial killers are men. 75% of homicide victims are male. with good statistics, often you can get an accurate picture of what your offender might look like based on behavior, age , race, gender, etc. the above examples were short exerptstaken from the boj.  |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:02:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
how are statistics based on race, gender, etc, that point to a specified behavior not profiling/ or racial profiling? you can profile anything based on stats. female thumbsuckers under the age of three, blonde haired, double jointed women over the age of 35, etc. lol |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:05:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
if a stat said the percentage of girls under 3 that sucked their thumb, was 85% in your region, then the next time you encountered a 3 year old girl the chance that she would be a thumb sucker would be high |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 27554
Racial profiling is when one race is a TARGET for investigation. It's when they are targeted only because of their ethnicity. Having statistics is not profiling. They are just mathematical facts. Just because we have these statistics doesn't mean that one group is a "threat to our country" |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:11:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
that is correct but those statistics have been being used to build profiles based on race for specific offenses for years. it did not become a big issue until 9-11 |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 27554
Yes, that would be high, but I wouldn't go around accusing every three year old of being a thumb sucker :) |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:14:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
if thumbsucking were a crime you would be giving every three year old thumb sucker you encountered the evil eye though :) |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 44850
LOL, sorry, i just have to disagree . . . just because they have been keeping some statistics doesn't mean that they are using it to try to profile .... racial profiling is keeping people of middle eastern decent off of a plane, NOT saying that "well, since 75% of the homicides were a young black male, so, chances are that's what we need to look for" ... actually, after typing that, now that i think about it, yes, several cops do target certain ethnicities, but they are called racists and end up jobless (if the judicial system takes its course) ... but again, i couldn't possibly see someone trying to make this a valid argument so i must be misunderstanding you . . . . OH, and other statistics that are kept include income, marital status, credit/debt, education, and drug abuse .... its not always just race, age, and sex ... :) |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 27554
The statistics are being used to make the profiling, the statistics are not the problem... the problem is that they are being used wrong. Some people forget that everyone can't be guilty. Take the thumb sucking girls:) for example. Yeah.. most of them suck their thumbs, but many of them are also innocent. It's not fair to them to assume that any individual is a thumbsucker:) just beause they fit the description |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:30:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
true about the other stats but i started with the basics. racial profiling does not have to apply to a majority. yes sometimes it is used incorrectly but it is used all the time. a group is not typically targeted as the people of middle eastern desent have been. let's ditch the word racial for a moment and just stick to profile |
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Date: 9/7/2002 12:38:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
someone is brutally murdering women with only white hair all over the city. based on statistics for the type of murder, type of victim, all factors including health, socioeconomic status etc, a profile of the case can be built which in turn helps implicate the most likely offender based on a profile built statistical values from preveious like or similar crimes including race, gender, age, hair color, etc.etc. etc. |
Date: 9/7/2002 10:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
If I want illegal aliens I look for hispanics crossing the border. If I want drunk drivers I stop every pickup leaving a honky tonk at 2:00 AM. If i want gang members or crack dealers I look primarily at young inner-city Black males in Gang clothes. If I want to find Islamic extremists I take it I should target 50 year old caucasion females and Chinese restaurant cooks.  |
Date: 9/7/2002 11:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 50435
ROTFLMAO@BCAR!!!!!...  |
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Date: 9/7/2002 1:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 59876
well bcar isn't that what the airport security is doing? they made that poor woman drink her breast milk. that is disgusting! |
