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Getting rid of the goth culture?!?

  Author:  57225  Category:(Debate) Created:(10/22/2002 5:27:00 PM)
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I was looking at a website that i go to sometimes, and on the homepage there was an article someone had written about how in Blue Springs, Missouri they are using the people's tax money to try to pretty much get rid of the 'goth' culture and religion. now that is NOT right and it is unconstitutional. go to this site to read about what they are doing:

http://www.bluespringsgov.com/Administration/goth_release.html

and this is the site where i originally read about it:

http://www.bluespringsgov.com/Administration/goth_release.html

tell me what you guys think about this!!

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Date: 10/22/2002 5:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 51027    that is so stupid i dress punk like the big wallet chains and baggy pants and people judge me all the time cause the way i dress well i got news for them remember the punk movement ok remember who one it....it was us  
Date: 10/22/2002 5:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 53052    that's horrid... no one has the right to tell someone to change thier beliefs(if it's not harming anyone else)  
Date: 10/22/2002 6:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 23731    they dont have the right thats just wrong.  
Date: 10/22/2002 6:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    oh my god this is disgusting how come they blame it all on goths thats sick preps do worse than them im not trying to judge but i know preps and jocks in my school get in more trouble than we do i mean come one  
Date: 10/22/2002 6:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 51463    i always believe that as long as they aren't hurting anybody let them go on doing whatever they want to do! A lot of my buds are goth but I'm not and people pretty much persecute me for it but I just figure those people are not my friends, and whoever accepts me is all that matters.

Always
Boots
  
Date: 10/22/2002 6:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    Unfortunatly as always with these things minoritys are hurting the majority. Because someone dresses like something that can be easily be labelled the whole sub culture cops the force of it. People in these sub cultures should publicly condemn the actions that some of these people take. It is only then that the majority of people will take notice.  
Date: 10/22/2002 7:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 53314    Hey THe first author,You do relise "i dress punk like the big wallet chains and baggy " Is not punk.Punk is TIGHT ripper jeans and leather jackets?That is stupid though THey have rights to.  
Date: 10/22/2002 7:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    I didn't know Goth was a religion. I just thought it was a fashion statement.  
Date: 10/22/2002 8:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Those people are narrow-minded jerks. Why not get rid of the gang culture? Or the jock culture? See what I mean? Goths aren't harming anybody! I, myself, dress goth and listen to mostly goth music! I'm so sick of these...oh, due to g-rating, I can't say it! GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FEEL THE ANGST OF A FREAK!!!!!!!!!!!! NARROW-MINDED PEOPLE BITE WHALE LARD SOAKED IN ROTTEN BUTTER!!!!!!  
Date: 10/22/2002 8:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    I CAN'T GET ON THE SITE!  
Date: 10/22/2002 9:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Ok, I found it and I just sent them a very blunt, to-the-point email. I feel better.  
Date: 10/23/2002 2:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 58923    Goth religion? There's a goth religion?  
Date: 10/23/2002 2:53:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57225    alright maybe not a RELIGION, but they still have their own culture and that site said religion too so..yeah thats why i said it. but the point is they don't have the rights to try to change these people, it really makes me mad. i think all stereotypes and labels in general are ridiculous.  
Date: 10/23/2002 4:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 57054    skoola, i agree with you! this is a bunch of crap. i have half a mind to walk my happy butt to blue springs and tell those people what i think! when you told me about this at school i almost pulled out all of my hair! i'm making a post about what mr. rich said today... go read it. oh and did you know that those 2 links are both the exact same site?? lol...  
Date: 10/23/2002 4:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 57054    oh and yes you guys, goth is a RELIGION... a belief.  
Date: 10/23/2002 4:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 57054    i was getting ready to make a post on this since you sent me all that stuff... but i decided to check and see if you made a post about it. i'm glad i did.  
Date: 10/23/2002 4:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 58923    This is kind of off the subject... but does anyone know any sites or anything where I could learn about this 'goth religion'?  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    Good finally people have came to there senses. Goths aren't doing anything positive in our culture. All they do is promote being an outcast and "different". I'm prep and seen Goths doing just as worse as you say "preps" do.  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Big Tex, you don't know what it's like to be shunned and treated like crap, obviously. Why would you play advocate to people who want to oppress others for creativity? That was very mean and uncalled for. I bet you wouldn't agree with it if it was preppies getting attacked! People can dress however they want and I don't think you have any right to say we aren't positive in culture! You aren't for promoting such negative and mean ideas! Have a nice life.  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    While trying to read through your incoherent nonsense I saw you called me mean and yes I will have a nice life. And I don't know one Goth that is trying to be "creative".  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Really? If I'm not creative then how come I got art in art shows and won artist of the year? Just answer me that. There is creative of every label, be it preppy, goth, or thespian. You just shouldn't say such negative things about goths. Do you actually know one, Big Tex?  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    And what I wrote wasn't incoherent. Anybody could understand it! And if you couldn't that's your problem.  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    Yes actually I do I came reasonably close to dating a punk.  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Then why aren't you more sympathetic?  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    It’s because I despise Goth's. That’s why I didn't go out with her. Goth's are merely the 90's version of hippies. You'll grow old and relies what you are doing serves no real purpose.  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Well, I'm living for the moment. It's what I like and I personally think I look good when I dress like this. Of course, you have a right to your opinion and I'll keep mine. Have you ever spoke to a goth? All the ones I've ever had conversations with are very sweet, intelligent people. I think that you'd change your mind if you met some of the people I know. But maybe not. I don't want to argue with you, so I'm going to finish this off with saying that I just don't think that it's right to oppress people. It reminds me of the persecution of the Jews and the Burning Era. I don't agree with oppression.  
Date: 10/23/2002 7:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    I have met Goth's and talked to them I just dont like them.  
Date: 10/23/2002 8:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Fine then. Great. Then you must hate quite a few people on this site, eh? I don't like cruel jocks (there are a few good-hearted ones in my school) who call others names based on how they looked. And I don't like bigots. Overall, I just don't like negative people.  
Date: 10/23/2002 8:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    No comment.  
Date: 10/23/2002 9:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    big tex being a prep isnt doing anything positive either except promoting being a sheep  
Date: 10/23/2002 9:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 47218    It's pathetic that a city would spend time and resources on something like this. Certainly there are more productive things to spend the taxpayers' money on!  
Date: 10/23/2002 9:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    You know how stupid that comment made you sound. Actually it makes me an athletic, smart, and good student with alot of friends. So how doe's that resemble a sheep?  
Date: 10/23/2002 10:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    big tex whats athletics gotta do with the price of rice on china it just shows you actually have the time to sit back and watch it or participate in it  
Date: 10/23/2002 10:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 26452    Big Tex, I think you are being very close-minded, because you met a few Goths you didn't like, you decide to despise every single goth? I have met some goth who were some of the sweetest people I've ever met, and I've met some that I just couldn't stand, same for preps, I have friends of all types of "cultures" I guess you could say, including Goths and preps. And are you saying that Goths cant be athletic, smart, goods students and have alot of friends? Im considered a goth, I'm pretty athletic for a girl, I get very good grades, I always try to do my best in school, and I have plenty of good friends..You seem to be judging every goth from a few "Bad apples" everyone has the bad apples that makes the good ones look bad, goth, punks, preps, everyone. Please, don't despise thousands of people just because you met a few "bad apples".  
Date: 10/23/2002 10:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    I agree completely with Moon Angel. I may not be athletic, but I make up for that with my grades and my artwork. Yeah, it is close-minded to hate a large subculture just because of someone else. You just have to let the past go and you are missing out on a lot of great friends if you decide to be close-minded and hold hatred within yourself. Just try to accept others.  
Date: 10/24/2002 6:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    Maybe I read something different but what I read what that they are trying to educate teachers and councellors about "at risk" youth associated with goth culture... how is this a bad thing. No where does it say they plan to eliminate goth culture they are merely concerned for kids...  
Date: 10/24/2002 12:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 8090    The government sure knows how to waste our tax dollars.  
Date: 10/24/2002 12:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 51173    I see these "goths" at my daughter's high school all the time. DARK makeup, DARK hair, DARK clothes - ripped jeans and plether overcoats in 90 degree Florida weather. I am a writer by vocation, and I feel no need to dress "differently" because I'm "Creative". And how is it "different" if EVERYONE ELSE is dressing that way? Sorry, but it sounds like a bunch of rich kids with too much time on their hands and who'se parents don't pay attention to what they listen to on the radio. If these are the intellectuals among teens today, it is amazing how behind the times the avant garde have become. I apologize if that offends some people, but I'd rather be honest with you than lie to you. Peace, Tom  
Date: 10/24/2002 1:58:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57225    alright, this is ridiculous....big tex, just because you are gothic doesnt mean you're an 'outcast'. there are good and bad people in all 'cliques' or whatever you'd want to call them and you can't judge all of them by a few bad ones.

and also..just because you're goth doesnt mean that you are artistic and creative because people that are preps or whatever can also be that. regardless of the negativity its faced with, goth IS a culture and has just as much right as anyone else to be themselves and express themselves how they want to and they shoujldnt be discriminated for it
  
Date: 10/24/2002 2:01:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57225    and ALSO...saying that goths are a bunch of rich kids w. too much time that listen to the wrong music? WHOA BUDDY that comment was WAYYYY stereotypical and in my opinion completely in error. music has nothing to do w/ it!!! true, music can effect different people differently but its ridiculous to blame the way people act on music. so..thats all about that. and not everyone dresses that way to be 'different', its just a way of dressing etc that they wish to do. what is so wrong with beign yourself???  
Date: 10/24/2002 4:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    tom there not always trying to be different i mean think about it your outcasted no one is accepting you except the goths or punks or whomever your gonna start dressing like that but also there not always outcasts  
Date: 10/24/2002 5:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 21985    ***big tex, everyone is different. u cannot say ALL goths are like the goths you kno. its like meeting one bad USMer and saying ALL USMers are bad! besides, u are promoting stereotypes. "goths" are not freaks, "preps" are not freaks, "punx" are not freaks. stereotypes are the veiews of uneducated people. "I came very close to dating one" how awful that is, and thats basically the same as being racist. whaty if i said "i came very close to going out with a BLACK." that is racist. now tell me the difference formm that statement and yours?  
Date: 10/24/2002 5:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 21985    >>>Here! take me for example: i may be described as "punk" by my friends, my parents call it "motorcycle gangish" others call me "goth" they are all stereo types. i prefer to call myself "LIZ". sure i may be an outcast, but i am outgoing, artistic, and funloving. yes, i have gone out with "preps" and "punx" etc. i am not afraid to cross that "line".  

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