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Date: 11/2/2002 7:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 59418
Well lol, when you put it like that it makes birthcontrol and abortions all sound bad. i think it should be up to the person who uses it to make the descision..good post..metal princess  |
Date: 11/2/2002 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
Doesn't the pill stop you from ovulating in the first place?..If there is no egg to be fertilized, than there is nothing to abort. But I'm not in the medical profession so I can't be sure. Maybe somebody can correct me if I'm wrong..  |
Date: 11/2/2002 8:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Kelly the pill does both.....it CAN stop ovulation...but most times it does not..and if it does not and you are ovulating...you ARE getting pregnant and then your body is aborting...It would seem to me that your uterus lining gets thick and fills with blood to support a fertilized egg.....when an egg does not get fertilized the lining of your uterus thins, thus causing your menstration.....I have never heard of anyone taking a birth control pill and not getting their period....so it would seem to me...that your body is going through the WHOLE process regardless of the pill.....including ovulation...I am not a medical professional either...but the information is free on the internet and can be found...  |
Date: 11/2/2002 8:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i don't think birth control is the same as abortion.. and no birth control is 100% effective... i know people shouldn't be having sex if they cannot accept the responsabilities.. but think also of hte unborn.. is it right to bring a child into the world to a mother who is addicted to some drug has no place to live and no way to raise a child? should people who KNOW they cannot handle raising a child have a child?.. i think it's all personal choice... i think people need to be more responsable yes.. and be less embarrassed about asking and getting the pills(honestly some people cannot afford the pill) some people don't realise that if you don't take it at teh same time every day it reduces the effect of it...  |
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Date: 11/2/2002 8:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Midnightly how can you not think it is the same..it makes your body unstable and unable to carry an egg that is being fertilized...your body isn't just doing this in it's own...you are taking something that MAKES this happen...So it's different because you are taking a pill everyday versus going to a doctor? I can't see the difference... |
Date: 11/2/2002 8:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
this is VERY thought provoking az....I don't have an answer for you but I'm definately going to watch this post...  |
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Date: 11/2/2002 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 57721
I found this at http://www.nau.edu/~fronske/bcp.html Thought it might help...... How does the combined oral contraceptive pill work? The estrogen inhibits ovulation by suppressing Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH), thereby "fooling the pituitary gland into thinking a woman is pregnant", therefore does not release hormones that stimulate the ovary"; it changes the secretions within the uterus and cellular structure of the lining of the uterus (endometrium) which produces areas of edema alternating with areas of dense cellularity; ovum transport is accelerated; degeneration of the corpus luteum(hormone-producing cells which ordinarily develop from the ovarian follicle if a ripened ovum has been expelled), thereby producing progesterone to prepare the lining of the uterus for implantation). The progesterone inhibits ovulation by suppressing the LH (anterior pituitary hormone which causes a follicle to release a ripened egg and become a corpus luteum); it creates a thick cervical mucus, hampering the transport of sperm; it inhibits production of an enzyme that ordinarily permit sperm to penetrate the ovum; it slows ovum transport; it impedes implantation of an egg into the endometrium (uterine lining) because it changes that lining.  |
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Date: 11/2/2002 8:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
I think if I translated correctly what JadeEyes wrote, sperm doesn't get the chance to fertilize the egg. Is that what others think? |
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Date: 11/2/2002 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 57721
Yep! basically if you use the pill corectly then the sperm doesn't have the change to even get close to the egg, so no fertilization occurs. |
Date: 11/2/2002 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
i'm pro-choice all the way and i dont care what people want to do with their bodies. we need MORE birth control in this world... it doesn't make it ebtter, but abortion was never bad in the first place.  |
Date: 11/2/2002 10:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 53314
Pro life says that Aborting is murder because it kills a fetus which they claim is a living thing(In my opinon it isnt)So birth control is not the same.  |
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Date: 11/2/2002 10:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
it inhibits production of an enzyme that ordinarily permit sperm to penetrate the ovum; it slows ovum transport; it impedes implantation of an egg into the endometrium (uterine lining) because it changes that lining. ....IN English this translate to what I said in the post.....THIS...------->it impedes implantation of an egg into the endometrium (uterine lining) MEANS it does not allow a fertilized egg to implant itself in the uterus...Now last time I checked your ovary releases an egg and it is fetilized in the fallopian tube and then it travels down the tube where it then imbeds itself into the uterus lining where it then spends the next nine months growing and developing. So if it is impeding the implantation of the egg, it is forcing your body to abort a fertilized egg that normally would have developed into a baby. What you have there is the combined efforts of the way the birth control pill inhibits pregnancy. Which means it does all of the above. Which would include...self abortion or forced miscarriage.. |
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Date: 11/2/2002 10:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Rowley if an egg is fertilized that is a baby...if the birth control pill is allowing the egg to be fertilized...travel down the fallopian tube and into the uterus where then the body is too unstable because of the birth control pill that you took, you are unable to carry the baby and it is "miscarried"...You are doing this intentionally to yourself and is by all means not "natures" way. It's not self abortion? |
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Date: 11/2/2002 10:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Let's not forget that the word inhibit in biology term means: To decrease, limit, or block the action or function of (an enzyme or organ, for example). Which supports the fact that it does a combination of things which is what makes it very effective in preventing pregnancy. However it does not excuse the fact that it also inhibits the bodies ability to nurture a fertilized egg. Last time I checked many pro-lifers believe that life begins at conception. If it's fertilized it's conceived.. |
| Date: 11/3/2002 2:58:00 AM From Authorid: 35060 I dont believe that a feotus and a child are the same thing. I'm pro-choice, I believe that if you try to stop women having abortions you'll just end up will illegila back-streets abortions. Which will harm the women. I'll defend a womens right ot choose, it's there body and the final decision rests with the woman. How can you stop a woman who wants an abortion? |
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Date: 11/3/2002 7:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 57721
The estrogen inhibits ovulation by suppressing Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Luteinizing Hormone(LH), thereby "fooling the pituitary gland into thinking a woman is pregnant", therefore does not release hormones that stimulate the ovary".......the egg isn't released, this is why some women take the pill so that they don't get menstural cramps. It creates a thick cervical mucus, hampering the transport of sperm, so the sperm can't even get to the egg if it is expelled in the first place. So basically no fertilization occurs! |
Date: 11/3/2002 9:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 59876
it isn't the same thing. and even if a woman's body was rejecting a fertilized egg, it is a far cry from aborting a fetus. by ten weeks (actually 8) there is heart, nerve, brain functions, limbs, eyes, how is this not a child?  |
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Date: 11/3/2002 9:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 53314
Lets remember that a fetilized egg is not a baby but,It falls more along the lines of-A fertilized egg.The closet thing to a baby is a fetus which is arguablys living. |
Date: 11/3/2002 10:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 3321
It stops the conception, it acts far earlier than abortion can even take place. I am all for the pill, etc. It is a much better solution than anything else we have.  |
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Date: 11/3/2002 11:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Jade it inhibits...that does not mean it 100% completely stops it. The pill does a combination of ALL things listed. It does this..then incase this fails...it also does this.....and then if that fails it also does this...and so on and so on..If it fails to protect in the other areas..the end result is expulsion of a fertilized egg.... |
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Date: 11/3/2002 11:33:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Rowley and 59876 basically what you are saying is because the fertilized egg never imbeds itself into the uterus lining it's not abortion, but two weeks later when the woman finds out she is pregnant, the egg did imbed itself into the uterus lining and she runs to the clinic to have an abortion that makes all the difference?...Okay I am confused because many pro-life people say that life begins at conception. Sperm has met egg and would have continued on into a pregnancy without chemical birth control in the picture...just as it would continue without an abortion doctor picture. To me that is one in the same... |
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Date: 11/3/2002 11:36:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Now I got pregnant for my son on the birth control which means even though it was taken correctly the pill did not inhibit ovulation for me, nor did it make cervical mucus to thick for sperm to be able to enter, nor did it thin out my uterus enough to make it unstable to hold the pregnancy. Now if that happen to me and has happened to other women before (and yes the chances are low) then that tells me that it is 100% possible that a woman still goes through ovulation, fertilization and then being pregnant or not pregnant is determined by whether or not the unstable uterus is able to carry the pregnancy. If it's not a chemical forced my body to abort or miscarry...it didn't happen due to natures way.. |
Date: 11/3/2002 12:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
All I need to do is look at the language. "Contraception" means against conception, which means preventing the sperm from becoming in contact with the egg. "Birth Control" is what we describe the pill as: The BIRTH CONTROL PILL, is aptly named for that is to control a birth. And everything AZ is saying is correct and exactly what I have heard from an honest medical provider when I questioned the double-speak found in the literature one gets with birth control pills. Yes, I have been on the pill. But these days my form of contraception is surgical (tubal ligation) and very much more palatable to me than the pill. God Bless.  |
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Date: 11/3/2002 12:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Thank you Deb, and most married women after they have had their fill of the number of children they want is to have surgery, but for teenagers and young adults not ready to make a some what permanent decision as that, resort to these other forms of birth control.. |
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Date: 11/3/2002 1:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 57721
Ok, then what about people that have problems having a child. They can have eggs fertilized in a dish and then implanted. But not all of the eggs attach to the uterus's lining. Is that killing babies? And what about frozen fertilized eggs that never get used? |
Date: 11/3/2002 2:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
If you do not want children you should Abstain from having Sex. Abstenance is the best and only way. I myself am Pro-life. Stop having sex for mere pleasure and use it for the purpose of giving life and Many, Many, problems will be solved. No more questions of when and "WHEN NOT" to murder a baby. No more debates on when life begins. No more unwanted sexualy transmitted diseases. No more Infidelity Issues between husbands and wives. The Price we as humans pay, for the Pleasure of Sex alone is astounding! Would it not be far wiser to develope a Pill which brings on a Sexual "Depressant", rather than all the Sexual Stimulants that so many are buying and seeking for? Then when a married couple descides to want or not to want children, they can just stop the sexual depressent drug, and begin developing as many as they like or can stay on it and wait. But No, the people cry, Sex, Sex, Give me more sex! more, More, MOre, MORe, MORE, "MORE" SEX!! It is abused. It should be used for creating Life. True Love is far more Richer than mere sex! I know, Im getting off topic here. Verywell! The pill can at times,cause and Abortion of a baby, which in turn is Murdering a Baby that was living at Conception. Those who Love sex more than the lives of their children will never agree that it is. And those who know that it is, don't care either, because they just want to prove the others who are pro-life, as being Hippocrites! They too themselves live and fight for the pleasure of SEX first, and foremost.  |
Date: 11/3/2002 5:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
its NOTHING like abortion.  |
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Date: 11/3/2002 6:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
sex is for pleasure also haddam. people just need to be responsible. |
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Date: 11/3/2002 7:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Jade what about them? It those people that are pro-life that always make the statement something along the lines of "With all the birth control out there, there should be no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy." What I am saying is...birth control forces the body to abort or miscarry what would be a living human being.....just as going to a doctor or a clinic does when you go to have an abortion...So does that make it better that you are doing it every month "involuntary" by taking a pill than it does if you ended up pregnant and went had the medical procedure done? To me there is no difference...in one case you are making the conscious decision to schedule an appointment to have the procedure done..in the other case you are taking a chemical that is forcing your body to do it in another way....Now to me it makes no difference taking the pill you are just forcing the inevitable sooner than you would if instead you just threw caution to the wind, got pregnant and had an abortion... |
Date: 11/3/2002 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
Okay let's look at this "Birth Control"= prevention of birth. Contraception is meant to stop conception however, it can also cause spontaneous abortion which is obviously not spontaneuos at that point but is still considered to be. There are cases of women who have had their uterus removed and still were able to get pregnant and give birth. There are ectopic pregnancies where conception happens before the uterus, as well. The morning after solution which can be given to women up to 72 hours after intercourse is a large dose of b/c pills. Contraception is very similar to abortion. I am not going to get into long winded explanations with this. I think I stated my side clearly and it is backed by facts. Birth control prevents birth, abortion prevents birth. If it is impossible for one to see the similarity here then perhaps they need to read about it more. Also, if you want to be down right extreme about it...is not sperm a living organism with the potential for life? Is an unfertilized egg potential for life? If you chemically block fertilization is that not the same as abortion? What about spermicide? would that be killing potential? A fertilized egg is potential, nothing more. So what is the big difference between B/C and abortion? I don't see one.  |
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Date: 11/4/2002 7:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 57721
What I'm trying to ask is, is it "abortion" when couples have fertilized eggs implanted into the woman, and some don't attach and grow. You're saying that it's the same as abortion. It's not "natures way." And with the frozen fertilized eggs, some never get used..they sit in a lab...waiting, until they "expire" is that abortion?? |
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Date: 11/4/2002 7:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 42792
Jade, actually that could be considered abortion. Abortion is the aborting of the potential of life or of life, itself. SO yes, that could be considered abortion. |
Date: 11/4/2002 7:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 3395
Well, I think there's life beyond abortion and that when someone aborts a baby it is merely depriving that baby of it's capsule, or body. So, if it's soul is continuous, then preventing a birth is not much different from having an abortion. One is actually depriving the child of a body just a little bit sooner than later. So, basically, what is "killing a body"? It is killing tissues, cells, sperm,... whatever it took to make that body a whole, because without each individual part... the "whole" is nothing more than nothingness. Anyway, basically they could be considered the same thing... I guess God only knows. Also, I think it's the woman's choice. Great thought provoking post! Peace,   |
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Date: 11/4/2002 7:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Dizzy, as NKA has said, it IS the same thing. The morning after pill IS the birth control pill. And that is something else that is in the literature of the birth control pill. And I knew that taking the pill AFTER sex and possibly being pregnant could result in an induced abortion. So while I am on record on this site as saying I have never "had" and abortion (meaning gone to an abortionist) I will hereby confess to having used the pill in a situation where I felt I could have been pregnant LONG BEFORE the "morning after" pill came about. God forgive me. The harder part, and I think this is true of any woman who has had any kind of abortion, is forgiving oneself, which I have. Haadaam, while I see your point of view, I firmly believe that God does not condone any sexual actions between a man and wife that is consensual between the two. God Bless. |
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Date: 11/4/2002 9:11:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Jade actually I am going to say something a little different than NKA on that subject. A couple that goes for invetro are there because they are unable to get pregnant. So an embyro that does not attach itself to the woman's uterus wall is happening because naturally her body has a defect that is making it happen. She didn't take a pill that MADE her body do that, she was born that way so to speak. So that is totally different than having a an egg be fertilized naturally within your body the way that it is supposed to happen, then have it travel down the fallopian tube, reach the uterus and have the uterus be too unstable to carry the life because YOU did something un-natural to make that happen... |
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Date: 11/4/2002 9:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 42792
my point is that abortion is a multi-faceted word. Any situation that causes the potential of life to cease its course is aborting the process of life and is an abortion. Sometimes it is natural, sometimes it is manipulated, and sometimes, I would imagine, it is both. |
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Date: 11/4/2002 9:57:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Good Point NKA |
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Date: 11/4/2002 1:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Deb, I think you ment to spell condem, rather than condone right? If so, I too agree that God does not condem sex between the married couples. He does condem Fornication, Adultery, and Murder. If Birth control Pills, at times Murder Live babys that have been conceived (and they do)Then God Condems this murdering of innocent babys! So unless a woman has past the age of bearing, or the woman has had a complete Hysterectomy, or the Man has had a Vasectomy, either of which would Positivly prevent a Conception from ever starting, then it would be far more wise to Abstain from sex. Except If the Two want Children. |
Date: 11/4/2002 4:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
i'd just like to point out again that nothing is 100 percent accurate, personally i doubt that even with all science's advances that we can keep something so natural from happening,and if we take away that right, even if the method of choice is taken correctly there's still that 1/100th of a chance that it might not work. i'm not pregnant but i know that if i was i wouldn't want someone else making that desicion for me, mothers know best after all  |
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Date: 11/4/2002 5:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
You're right, Haadaam, I meant: God does not condemn. Thanks for the correction. And NKA is right. Abort means to stop, by whatever means: "naturally", chemically, deliberately. God Bless. |
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Date: 11/5/2002 4:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
Well, this has been a very good wake up lesson for all Prolife people. Now tell me somebody. If you who are prolife, but have been ignorant of just what is really taking place with using the birth control pill, What are you all goning to do from now on? Keep aborting your babys, while comdemning the abortionist clinics? Just stop and think how many children we have aborted with the pill, (ignorantly doing so perhaps) never the less doing it. So are you gonna stop now? |
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Date: 11/5/2002 1:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 57721
Azairyia, I would like to thank you for posting this. It's really made me think. Although I still don't agree with what you're saying a respect your opinion. |
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Date: 11/5/2002 2:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
JadeEyes, my answer to your questions about fertilizing eggs in a dish, and then implanting them. I myself personaly feel that life begins at conception. I suppose I need to know if conception begins when fertile eggs Attach, "OR" when the eggs themselves become Fertile! If conception begins upon fertilization, then I would have to say that, the eggs in a dish thing would also be murder by abortion. Therefore I would feel it should not be done, or practised. |
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Date: 11/5/2002 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
The Webster's II dictionary defines conception as such....The formation of a Zygote capable of survival and maturation in normal conditions. Then the definition of Zygote is.... The cell formed by union of two gametes. So By these definitions it appears that conception is when the two (a egg) and (sperm) joins together to form a new cell. Conception thus has began even before the egg is attached to the wall of the Uterus. |
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Date: 11/5/2002 3:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Haadam yes that is correct cell division begins immediately.. |
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Date: 11/5/2002 4:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Haadam you pose a good question too. My guess is they will remain hypocritical to the situation and insist that what they are doing is not what they consider to be the actual procedure that they believe is murder...Of course that is just a guess.... |
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Date: 11/5/2002 4:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Well Azairyia, It appears that all People who are Pro-Life (including myself) needs to ask God for forgiveness and then "REPENT" (stop using the pill). That is, if they do not want to be identified with the term Hippocrite. I myself concider myself, as one who was a user of the pill for the simple fact that for years, before my wife had her surgery, "SHE" with my approval, used Birth control pills. Call me ignorant if you must, but I always assumed that the pill Stopped the Conception proccess. I, (we) were wrong. For that, I am sorry for! Now, we do not need the pills, implants,etc. to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. However if it had turned out that we would have still needed them, and knowing what I know now, we would not be using them anymore! That is called Repenting! Our choice would have then been Abstanance. You may be thinking, uh huh, sure! Well I know, our conviction about murder of innosent babys, and Abortion. We will be no part of it. Yet I find here now today, that I have been tried and have been found guilty of doing just that! My only excuse and reason I have to hold to, is that I was Ignorant. And I thank God, that God winks at ignorance for a time, until the time of which when we, have become aware of that Ignorance, that Ignorance can no longer be used as an excuse. Therefore Repentance is next to follow. Thank you for the wake up call! |
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Date: 11/5/2002 6:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Haadam it's all a big part of being human.. |
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Date: 11/5/2002 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
While I am completely abstinent, I am on the pill for other purposes, however I do not regret for one moment being on the pill, and I highly doubt I ever will. |
Date: 11/6/2002 3:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 8090
Can't we debate anything else around here???? I am SO TIRED of hearing all of the "holier than thou" people condemn other people for having an abortion. I had an abortion, and no, didn't use it "as a form of birth control"...I was married and had a child. I had my own reasons for why I did what I did, which is nobody's business but my own. I didn't want to do it, but I did it because I had to...so why don't you all just crucify me...it is the worst mistake I have ever made, and it will haunt me until the day I die. You all think that is punishment enough for a "murderer" like me???  |
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Date: 11/6/2002 5:54:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Dumbblonde first of all no one called your a murderer, secondly you don't have to read or comment to the abortion related posts, and third I am pro-choice. |
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Date: 11/6/2002 5:58:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Perse because you are abstinent now and on the pill you aren't doing anything mentioned in the post. However I used the pill for two years. I regret the decision to go on the pill for a few reasons. First and foremost I gained not a single pound having either of my two children but I packed on 70 pounds in 4 short months with absolutely no change in diet whatsoever. I stopped taking it two years ago and haven't gained a single pound since, however the 70 pounds is packed on me like glue. The purpose of the post was to make those that are PRO-life take a look at what they are actually saying when they make their statements about birthcontrol. Fact is they are doing nothing different than the woman that got pregnant and went to the clinic to terminate her pregnancy. It is just done more discretely and in a manner where the literature is written unclear.. |
Date: 11/6/2002 7:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 16069
Thats why I'll never take birth control pills. Completely natural, and still not pregnant. =(  |
| Date: 11/6/2002 7:46:00 AM From Authorid: 20404 Sometimes (unfortunately) condoms don't work . . . Not to embarass any guys out there, but if they can't keep an erection, for whatever reason, the condom can fall off and accidents happen. Nothing is 100%. Ter |
| Date: 11/6/2002 7:59:00 AM From Authorid: 20404 I posted my reply before I read all the comments. This kind of turned into a "real usage of birth control pill" conversation. Sorry to have been way off base with my reply. I do have a question though, what about babies (or zygotes) that self abort a.k.a. miscarriages. It actually happens more often than we realize. Is that suicide? Ter |
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Date: 11/6/2002 8:41:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Ter if it is something that happened under natural conditions...No... |
| Date: 11/6/2002 8:46:00 AM From Authorid: 20404 Thank you for clearing that up for me! Ter |
| Date: 11/19/2002 7:23:00 PM From Authorid: 17252 Azairyia... this is an excellent post. This is what I always heard too and that is why I never went on BC until about a year ago, when I started getting the depo shot. I read all the information and it says it stopped ovulation and it has. I haven't really had a period in a long time. Even after you stop getting the shot, your period doesn't return for a long time. But if BC really does cause "abortion" then I agree with you, it is wrong. |
Date: 1/12/2003 7:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 53900
Well lets see...not every woman is going to become pregnant every month that she is taking the pill or teh shot or any other hormone changing drug for that matter...my sister had norplant and after having it removed still could not become pregnant for almost a year. Her doctor said it was because of the norplant and to just be patient...anyhow if an egg becomes fertilized and it tries to implant itself in teh wall of a uterus and cannot because of the chemicals in a woman body then yes I guess you could consider it abortion but the point is is most of these drugs stop ovulation therefore not allowing women to get pregnant..you could go further on this though what about the chemicals on condoms which kill sperm? HOw about the IUD or sponge? Those do not allow teh sperm to travel to the egg to fertilize them so what do you think about that is that OK? you are inhibtiing conception with all forms of birth control which is still like an abortion but you are not killing a living breathing feeling human...the most it would be at menstruation is a few cells. And like I said it is very rare that the egg would actually be fertilized then try to implant itself into teh uterine lining only to be miscarried or self aborted depending on your veiw point.  |
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Date: 1/12/2003 7:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 53900
And another thing my mother got pregnant after having a tubal and it was miscarried because it was a tubal pregnancy so would that be considered self afflicted abortion? I mean by this way of thinking she had teh operation to change her body so she could no longer get pregnant and when she did she could not carry teh child because of where it was located...so what are your veiws on that? |
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Date: 1/12/2003 10:16:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Jessica the point of the post is to express the fact that it is possible that you are getting pregnant with chemical birthcontrol such as the pill. You have no idea whether or not you are getting pregnant UNLESS the effects of the pill are not strong enough to make the body refuse the implantation. At menstration it is just a few cells? So then if I found out that I am pregnant the day that I miss my period and a week a later, which still doesn't makes a bunch of cells then having an abortion would be okay right? <--THAT is the point of the post. I got pregnant on the pill for my son and I wonder how many other times I could have been pregnant because my egg was fertilized and my uterus would not support the egg because of a chemical I was taking. I have no way of knowing this. Concerning your mother, this post is not about tubal pregnancies or having tubes tied or even having a hysterectomy. It is about the fact that pro-lifers preach that if you weren't smart enough to use birth control that it is your own fault, not an innocent babies and you shouldn't go and kil an innocent baby. Okay fine, but the most commonly used types of chemical birthcontrol can and do just that. |
| Date: 2/3/2003 8:49:00 AM From Authorid: 17252 Jessica, How is inhibiting conception like abortion? If the sperm never reaches the egg, then the egg is never fertilized, so there was never conception. I am not trying to pick on you personally, but I've heard others say this and I don't understand how that is "abortion" in any way. |
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