Date: 11/10/2002 7:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
I don't have a problem with hunting so long as it's not excessive and it's NOT trophy hunting....gosh that annoys me like no tomorrow...  |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
yea me too Thanks Becky...oh yea I would have a serious problem if it was for an endangered animal...but what gets me is that she does not have a probelm killing snakes or spiders or alligators  |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 56381
I dont like it period. xoxo,  |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
yes you are entitled to that opinion Shakira...thanks for sharing. By the way are you against eating meat period? |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
I was brought up as a hunter...so perhaps my opinion would be understandably biased. To me hunting is part of my life...its also part of my culture and in a way part of my spirituality...for it is my link to the bush, my link to this Earth, to Mother Nature or 'Papatuanuku' as my people call her. We never take what we don't need...we always respect the bush...it is our provider, our nuturer...we are not dominant our it or that which dwells within it...rather we are all part of it. Yes, I hunt. I tend not to hunt much as I no longer require the food...but when we were growing up our family was not well off, so we hunted (and grew our own vegetables etc) to help put food on the table. Now when I hunt I will distribute what is taken amongst the Old People who no longer have the energy or ability to hunt...I take the vension and the wild pork to them...for they miss the taste of it and no longer have children at home to hunt for them. There are 'laws' every true hunter abides by...take only that which you need...take only that which may cause the least loss to Papatuanuku (such as the older game, NOT the breeding pairs or the young etc)...do no damage to the bush, always enter and move through it with respect and be thankful to it for the bounty it provides. Which means NO hunting simply to kill something. Peace,  |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 60089
I think hunting is wrong. AngelFlowers  |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:33:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
Exactly what I tried to tell her Agent Smith...and we eat everything we get my hubby hunts also. His family grew up hunting he has been hunting since he was 6 and my son wanted to do this. He loves animals. I totally agree with you though. I teach my kids exactly that whenever we are in the woods. Thanks for sharing |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 56381
Well I really dont like it but I love meat and I dont wanna stop, but I wish I didnt. But I just think it's different. The animals we eat were raised to be eaten. We need to eat them to survive. IMO hunting is incredibly cruel *ESPECIALY* if its just for the fun of it. xoxo, |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 3648
Well I have no problems letting my boys go hunting with their dad. In fact I'm in favor of it....it controls the population etc. It also puts food on the table for some. In my opinion there is no difference in killing a wild animal verses killing a cow, pig, chicken , etc for food. My problem is where ppl do it for the sport of it, to me that is wrong.  |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 56381
Ok that first part didnt make much sense lol. I meant, Yes I eat meat, but I wish I didn't because I love animals. But I've been raised to eat meat and love it and dont want to quit. Make more sense? I hope lol! xoxo |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
That is OK I knew what you meant...alot of tiems my typing des not make a whole lot of sense except to me LOL. Thanks for your replies. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
AngelFlowers thanks for the reply...why do you think it wrong? |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
Grey eyed Girl yes I agree with you and in some cases it is much more humane hunting then the way animals are killed in a slaughter house. Thanks for the reply. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
Oh yes and G.E.G the food is very good and whenever someone in my husband's family or my husband do shoot a deer it is usually shared with the family. There have been times when money is short and that would be a main supply of food for us. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Shakira...how is hunting crueler than specifically RAISING animals in captivity for the expressed purpose of killing them to be eaten?? Have you SEEN how Food Stock (live stock raise for food) is treated?? In most cases its done in an extremely inhumane way. They are often subjected to injections and modifications to cause them to grow qucker...often they have their hooves or claws cut so they can't run away without trouble, or their becks snipped so they don't peck eachother to death in their storage battery. They know no freedom, they are herded when they get large enough and packed into Transports to head to the meat works, where they get to sense AND literally smell their impeeding death until they are killed. A deer however is free...and any good hunter will bring about its death VERY quickly...they DO NOT suffer...unlike those animals farmed to be eaten. Peace, |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 55330
hunting is good for keeping the population down... ok so what if there was a serial killer on the loose and he's like, "hey im just keeping the human population down" think about it... hunting is wrong man!!  |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
I had an uncle who was big on hunting and fishing. I think the family ate just about everything he ever brought home. I remember once when I was eating there and I commented on how good the roast beef was. My aunt surprised me when she said that I was eating a bear. Well, it was still good! LOL!  |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
Well said Agent Smith |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 60089
I can't stand any kind of animals getting killed. They have a reason to live just as we do. Just my opinion. AngelFlowers |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
OK nettie so would you rather not have deer anymore? Or rabbits? Or wild pigs? If they are not controlled their population would become so abundant they would die slowly from lack of food. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
I agree with Agent Smith on this one. |
Date: 11/10/2002 7:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
LOL! It amazes me that some are so against people killing an overpopulated animal in the wild (often a quick and painless death) while having no problem eating a hamburger that came off the carcass of a cow that died via an electric probe stuck up its bum...  |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
Thanks Frankenstein for your comments...I have eaten so much deer and rabbit and other things. When I go over to my in-laws I am not really sure what I am eating but I cannot really tell the difference most of the time. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 8:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
LOL true Ali. That is what I told my sister...I asked her if seh thinks her steak jumped on her plate or chicken breast or ham whatever she may eat that day...and if she though tehy died in a painless death. She said she thinks it is OK because that is all they were here for. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 8:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
So AngelFlowers do you not eat meat at all? |
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Date: 11/10/2002 8:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 60089
I do not eat meat at all. I have been raised as a vegetarian. AngelFlowers |
Date: 11/10/2002 8:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
I think it's alright and sometimes necessary, but only if it's done right. Not killing excessivly, done with safety, don't make a mess (that makes me angry when hunters around here leave trash lying around) and if you kill it you better eat it.  |
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Date: 11/10/2002 8:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
Thanks for your comment Alien. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 8:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
Oh yes that reminds me Frankenstien...another thing that my husband does alot is fish...I love fish. My sister does not have a problme with that though I guess because it is a fish in her eyes it is not as bad. |
Date: 11/10/2002 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 26452
Well, I don't mind hunting, as long as it wasn't just to kill an animal. I would never do it though, if I had a son, I'm not sure if I would let him, and I don't eat mean, I don't beleive humans were made to eat meat  |
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Date: 11/10/2002 8:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 26452
I think Agent Smith said it perfectly. Although I don't hunt myself, if everyone hunted the way Agent Smith does, I would have that much of a problem. And besides the fact that I don't beleive people were ment to eat meat, what he said about slaughter houses is another reason I am against it. |
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Date: 11/10/2002 8:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
That is good Moon Angel as with everybody I respect your opinion. Thanks for your reply. |
Date: 11/10/2002 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 54084
I think hunting is a necessary evil. I love animals more than anything, and I love seeing deer running free. But I also don't like seeing them starve to death or on the side of the road hit by a car. I grew up with a family of hunters, so I can see both sides. Just the other day I had a few deer almost follow me & my horse home after a trail ride. It was neat! I think they thought my horse was their mom. They were weanlings. There's so many deer that die from other reasons than hunter's. I think more deer are killed on the roads than from hunter's. Silents Star  |
Date: 11/10/2002 9:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Absolutely and he will when he is old enough to go with his Daddy, my father, my grandfather, my brother, my uncle, or his cousins. It is tradition in my family that the men go out hunting on Thanksgiving day while the women prepare the feast and when they are done eating they lay around with their pants unbuckled for a few and then they head back out to do it again with whatever daylight hours are left. The thing that most people do not understand about hunting especially when it comes to deer hunting is that it is done during the fall and early winter AFTER the mating and birthing seaons is over with. There is a very limited time and places for each state in the U.S. when you are permitted to kill a doe. So there is no such thing as Bambi running around the forrest unless you have an idiot that is out there doing it illegally. You are not allowed to see a deer by the side of the road and step out of your car to shoot it, that is illegal too and Econ does check for things. The men in my family are also fisherman. Now my dad broke the law when we were little. There is a tip-up limit per man that can be put in the ice and I can't remember the number now, but he used to bring my sister and I with him and we would spend the day ice skating while he put in 3 times the amount of tip-ups because we didn't have to have fishing licenses at our age. He would tell us if the Econ guy comes around this section is yours, this section is mine and that section is yours...LOL...Now we would stay out on the Tomhanock ALL day long from like 5am in the morning until it was dark and we were lucky if we brought home 5 fish, so weren't coming home with the whole resevoir..LOL..and we ate everyone of them when we got home. New York State Troopers in my area LOVE a road kill deer. They bring it to my neighbors house where he has a butcher block and he cuts it up for them. Of course in NY state the person that got their car destroyed by the deer gets the choice on whether or not they want to keep it...  |
Date: 11/11/2002 4:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 30747
I'm engaged to a hunter and I absolutely detest guns. I can't help it. I have a bit of a problem with the whole hunting thing. I understand some people do it for the meat. That's okay with me. But why the heck do they have to brag about it? I don't see anyone saying "gee look at the big cow I just bagged" Some hunters get all excieted during hunting season and I don't get it. What is so excieting about walking in the woods with a loaded shot gun looking for an animal to slaughter? I dunno. My fiance' can't explain it to me either.  |
Date: 11/11/2002 4:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 43556
Hunting is not wrong as long as the meat is used and it is not done for "sport". It is no different than any other animal "hunting prey", and is a good form of population control. I used to be like your sister, where deer are concerned, but as I got older; I saw the destruction they can cause. There are more deer in our area now than in the 1800's. There is not a day that goes by that you don't hear about accidents involving deer. Since man is not thinning the herds enough, nature has brought about Chronic Wasting Disease to reduce the population. Isn't it more humane to kill the deer quickly than to let them get sick and slowly die? I think hunting with his Grandfather will be memories that your son will always cherish.  |
Date: 11/11/2002 5:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 28946
I know they have to thin the herds and all that and as long as the meat was to be used for food and the hide and all, then I have no problem with it. I personally cannot kill any thing. The times I went hunting with my husband, we ended up just messing around the woods and watching the beauty of nature. I'm afraid I would be a vegetarian if I had to kill my own food although I have eaten squirrel, deer, turtle, and a few other things. I've even helped butcher wild beasts with my Dad when I was a child, but I like animals to much to kill them myself, when a supermarket is so close.  |
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Date: 11/11/2002 5:03:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
I thought so too the memories of his trip will last a lifetime and unlike anything I could have bought him in the store this cannot be broken or lost or stolen. thanks guys for all your comments. Whatever your opinion be on hunting it is all good. You have your right to have an opinion on hunting. I know that it is something that needs to be done and that my son and my daughter will continue to do it and if my youngest son(who is only 5 now) shows an interest in it when he gets older then he will be allowed to go also. It was interesting to get some different opinions on this subject though. |
Date: 11/11/2002 6:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Most people can't separate "Killing" from "Hunting". It's all about being out there and in particular if you can take a son or daughter along. It's about being in nature, woodcraft, outdoors sense and cameraderie. Stalking, primal instinct, reading and understanding the animal. And if in the normal course of events you harvest one, then great- you've taken part in a cycle of life that dates back to the dawn of man. Beyond that it IS also about population control, and a bullet from a hunters gun is preferable to impacting the bumper of a Chevy, or starvation, or desease, or predators. Consider modern cows and pigs, most live their entire life on concrete- eating formulated food containing by products of their own species- herded into trucks and slautered by getting knocked in the head and having their throat cut while still alive. Anti Hunting? Try it- Investigate the facts.  |
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Date: 11/11/2002 10:55:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
BCar I agree with you also...thanks for sharing |
Date: 11/11/2002 12:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 46486
I don't have an issue with people hunting, or the people that hunt.. But I would never hunt, I couldn't kill an animal, I'd feel bad.  |
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Date: 11/11/2002 1:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53900
yes Fallin Angel it would be hard for me to kill something too. As long as I dont have to see it living then I dont have a problem but if I had to like if I was beig threatened or ifmy family was starving I would have no problem doing it |
