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Date: 11/20/2002 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
no I actually agree with the guidelines that they set fourth for doing this....  |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 46659
WELL u gotta ask George akd RadAdmin he prob has good reasons?"" I dont know  |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 25481
Younger to an extent maybe..I dont think a 7 year old should have a say in the choices of how USM is run..Maybe teenagers..Im not saying that because I am one..Just because..I dont know....But I think they should have some adults and possibly teens. because teens and adults make up the the members of this site.  |
| Date: 11/20/2002 4:25:00 PM ( Admin-JGB ) you know what moonstorm, I totally agree with you!! I do not see why younger peeps cannot have a say. I know the reason that is obvious, is that some adults have a very difficult time taking direction from children :) So you all have my vote for a piece of the voice :) |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
the thing is though the younger generation makes up a good part of this site it just seems a little unfair that we aren't allowed to represent ourselves.  |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 50193
They also won't let people who have been here less than a year on the committee. I was looking forward to putting my name in as a nominee (I am over eighteen, by the way), but I've only been here for eight and a half months.  |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 38278
I agree with you.  |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 40543
the idea is to EXTRACT any influence that the younger generation has on this site by making it no one under 18. Its obvious they have made the choice and isnt much can be done but youll see that in time basically this is whats being done..  |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
If you were forty or seventy, you wouldn't feel quite right if a twelve year old was telling you what you could and couldn't do. I see your point but you have to try to see mine as well. I realize that many of our younger members are very mature for their age but things are just the way the are and there's no getting around it. A person has to be at least thirty-five years old to run for President in this country. What about all of the twenty-year old Einsteins out there? Well, they'll just has to wait.  |
Date: 11/20/2002 4:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Well either way..You still would not beable to be on the committee for a while since you havent been a member for a year yet..which was also another criteria to being on the committee..I think the over 18 rule is because they want mature members..by mature I dont mean necessarily age..but OLDER members..Members who have put in their time here at USM..members who have been around the block a few times and can make unbiased decisions if necessary.  |
| Date: 11/20/2002 4:42:00 PM ( Admin-JGB ) ummm no offense to ANYONE at all but my 11 year old has a lot more sense than some of the adult members LOLOLOL :) |
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Date: 11/20/2002 4:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 40543
Yeah but the nice thing about usm was to come here to get away from things, not to be told by someone older than me or an adult how to do things and what i can say and what i cant and all that jive. If i wanted that i could just go to the living room right now and get that from my parents. |
Date: 11/20/2002 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 55040
you know, i can see both sides of the argument, even though i may not agree with it all. I would like to see people my own age on the commitee though, but i havent been here a year (only about 4 months, i think) so i couldnt even if i wanted to.--The End  |
Date: 11/20/2002 5:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
I totally agree with the rule. I am sure George thought it over carefully before making it a rule and he is the owner of this site so I respect his decision.............and why are you complaining? You haven't even been a member for a year, LOL..............  |
| Date: 11/20/2002 5:13:00 PM ( Admin-JGB ) why complain??? hmmm what percentage of the USM population is under 18?? do they have a voice?? nope hmmm maybe that is why complain :) lol |
Date: 11/20/2002 5:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
There is still no age restrictions on Admins and chatmins that I'm aware of. This rotating committe is going to end up abitrating disputes, setting policy with the owners blessing and supervising Admins. I think the owners wanted a level of maturity and experience and since 18 is considered "Adult" as far as age of consent, voting, major contracts etc. an age requirement of 18 was established. And personally the 18 crowd will continue to be heard and accomidated. One example is that initially Saturday nights meeting was held in Chat 1, and many of your under 18 counterparts were so disruptive the meeting moved over to Chat 2 where some decisions were made qickly and calmly. That's not a fabrication that is a fact.  |
| Date: 11/20/2002 5:21:00 PM ( Admin-JGB ) BCAR I think no one disputes the fact that SOME members under 18 are childlike, however it is discrimination to classify all under 18 as not worthy of a voice.. just my opinion of course. But some members of the under 18 group have a very level head and good judgment :) |
Date: 11/20/2002 5:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i think anyone under 18 does still have a voice.. the commitee will be having meetings and i imagine if you have an issue you want to bring up you can sit in on a meeting and bring up your issue i think there HAS to be a minimum age... it it's not 18 it could be 16 and anyone under 16 would complain! you need to be 18 to vote and be considered an adult.. the commitee is an ADULT thing it would be nice if all the younger people got together and had a person represent all of them... but an 18 year old who is on the commitee could easily do that  |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
I agree with BCAR on this one. |
| Date: 11/20/2002 5:28:00 PM ( Admin-JGB ) See I think that a member made up of diverse age population would be effective :) WHY NOT have someone that is 15 on the comittee?? and someone 50 and 70 etc :) |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
LiL Jung is a prime example of that. And I agree, like I said with Admins, Chatmins still open to all ages I'd say under 18's are still represented. I can't speak for the owners of course and I'm not sure what rules are permanent and what rules are not. |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
What is the cut off 10, 7, 5? |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
I'm just encouraged that prior to the recent developements No One other that a dozen or so Admins had any voice at all. It's at the least a step in the right direction. |
| Date: 11/20/2002 5:35:00 PM ( Admin-JGB ) Don't get me wrong lol I agree with a lot of the new stuffs proposed :) I just can put myself in the shoes of the adult like 17 year old that wishes to help and be a part of it all and have a voice :) nothing wrong with them being a part of a process, after all it only helps them in the real world too :) |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
I don't think there's a 17 year old or younger out there that doesn't influence events in one way or another. The site with it's "g" rating is geared toward them in many ways. |
Date: 11/20/2002 5:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
The kids WILL have a voice now. They can bring their concerns to the Committee who will act on their behalf...  |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
I think kids should be mature enough to know how to USE this process before they can be a part of it... |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
I totally agree with Bcar and Ali!!!! |
Date: 11/20/2002 5:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 25390
I was pretty much going to say what Ali said.  |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Watchout! BCAR is already commissioning a secretary! lol... |
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Date: 11/20/2002 5:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
I think I need someone 17 or younger to type and spell for me. |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
My last comment would have made a lot more sense if it was in the right order. Ah well... |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 25390
If it's in "chat lingo," forget understanding you own memos, BCAR |
Date: 11/20/2002 6:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 43274
as long as the voice of the younger generatin is heard i dont realyl care about age of comittie members. the needs and wants of the younger usm people are just as important as those of the older people. i say as long as our isues find a voice im all good with it.  |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 25481
I agree with Ali & BCAR. I understand if they dont want teenagers and crap. I totally understand if they dont want a 5 year olds opinion. My only fear is that USM is changing so much now. I feel like soon they are going to set a limit to where you have to be 18 to join....I dont want that. I've been here @ USM for a while. now....its changing so much they have to make all these new rules and guidelines and stuff just to keep people safe & the site G-rated. I remember when no one ever had a problem keeping the G-rating (yes I know sometimes I dont keep the G-raring) Im just saying...Its changed...and I dont like it..and see all the mess its causing...Frankly I dont care..I dont care if we have a voice or not. I just want things back the way they used to be |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
The change Cheer Chick is the numbers, look at you ID#, look at mine, look at the most recent members. 60,000 plus. Thats alot of people. I think it's time they put up another layer of management. |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
As far as I'm concerned, USM IS a good place for kids to come and I for one would like to keep it that way. George has developed other sites where adults can get a little more "rowdy" if they so choose. But I would like to see USM be a place where ALL kids can express themselves...not just the ones who suck up and act "happy happy" all the time. I think the reason adults would serve better on this Committee is because they have a greater ability to remain unbiased, and this is needed right now to establish a common order here at USM. I see it as benefiting EVERYONE, not just the over 18 crowd... |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Ditto what BCAR said... |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
Hey it's me well i want to address each person individually. since some posted more than (once thanx by the way>)oh um if i don't mention you i still appreciate you posting i mean that too. Vampyre gerbil : I know what you mean i regeistered ages ago and was here for a while but I lost my account info when we got rid of our computer for a while and then my little notebook got lost.... Bride of Frankenstine: I think that if 40 or 70 year olds are going to be at this site in the first place they are going to have open minds and if they don't well the really have no business being on a commitee to find solutions. Jungabel: 1 i know whatyou mean lol Lady luck : i Know i couldn't hold a chair because i was inactive for quite a while (this is a new account) (see above) AxlRose: AMEN to that The end: were you able to be a chair person, i think i would vote for you i think we need people willing to consider both sides of the situation Racquie: i'm just saying I notice something that i consider unfair and want to know what ya'll think (oh see above all things considered i first appeared about 2 years ago when i was in sixth grade) Bcar: 1 i agree but i think that some of those people were unaware of the meeting (i had only found out like 10 minutes before it started) but i agree that some people were being at tad childish but i als think that they were frusterated (you were there you know) and F.Y.I the meeting didn't end in chat1 it kept going just with 2 seperate groups one in 1 and one in 2. Midnightly:I'm considering creating a petition maybe and sending it to George about the younger generation having a rep. BCAR: (3) About the age cut off i think that it should be based on individuals i really don't think you can base maturity on age alone.... |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
woah that was really long |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 25390
My thoughts on this is that there are some very mature and amazing people underage on this site. But I think if we lower the age limit, that will open door for EVERY one under 18 to come in and want to be a part of this, when they might not even know what kind of job is going to lie ahead of them. It would just get too out of hand. They may just want the title, and not the job. That is NOT what this is about. No, I'm not talking about every person under 18. But I am talking about the vast majority. There are probably going to be some issues raised that are simply not for younger audiences. It's like a school board meeting. It directly affects children, yes. But how many children do you see on the school board? None. Why? Because they are not mature enough yet to decipher. It's not a slander or a bash against younger audiences. It is a biological fact. |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 20296
1. people that were nominated on the first panel were nominated by others, they didnt put their own name into the hat, so to speak. Two, there had to be a criteria and this is the one that was drawn up. 3. kids will have a voice, they can still express their concerns to the commitee, the admins and on their posts. 4. this committee will have to deal with a lot of stress and crap, more so than the admins....is this a job I want for my very mature 15 yr old...no way! 5. there is no way that everything can be totally fair....however this committee will fight our battles for us:) lucky us! I believe that by just looking at the headline post shows how much certain poeple actually know about this committee and what all is going on. I see many nominating three, four, five peeps at a time also voting. voting hasnt even begun. If one is not even willing to take the time to read through the posts and its replies, how are they going to handle the workload of the committee seat? personally....I think kids should not have to grow up so soon. have fun:) was coming to this site all about gaining a title? no....who cares as long as you are heard? and you are being heard. I promise you:) *huGz*  |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 20296
I would also like to add...heck yeah! some of these kiddos are smart and mature....lol...more so than some of us adults....but I still stand by my initial comment. sorry |
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Date: 11/20/2002 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 20296
OMG!!! that is a brilliant idea actually. a rep! but the rep still probably should fit the initial criteria |
Date: 11/20/2002 8:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
This is just going to be one huge three ring circus...count me out .....  |
Date: 11/20/2002 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I think the way admin has did it is fair. I go with what bcar has said.  |
Date: 11/20/2002 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
I think 18 is a good age. There are a lot of kids who come here, but it seems most of the young people just want to get an authority position on this site. I don't think that is what the committe is about. And no matter how mature anyone is, it's just not the same as being an adult. Besides when the younger members turn 18 they will get a chance to be on it.  |
Date: 11/20/2002 9:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 26452
I don't think its right that you have to be 18 or older, I'm a Chatmin, I couldn't be on the commitee even if the age limit was lifted, so I'm not saying this just because I want on or anything. I can understand Adults not wanting to be told what to do by a teenager, but I know ALOT of very mature people who are under 18, the majority of the USM is teenagers, I think that if Radman feels you're mature enough, you should be allowed, or at least make it like 15 and older or something like that. (I'm not saying that because of my age either, I'm only 14)...I think someone mentioned this earlier, but I think having one (or two) member if each age group (including teens) would be a good idea. And besides, 18 and 19 is still a "teen" the goverment or whoever just decided thats when you're legally an adult..  |
Date: 11/20/2002 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
Dear Author, I see in your update that you ask USMers to tell you what they think. I see that 90% do not agree with you. In a reply you said "About the age cut off i think that it should be based on individuals" Really? And who would make that determination? Let's be real here. We have 3 simple, easily definable criteria now, and I'm having trouble checking out all the nominees to see if they qualify. Multiply that nightmare by about 1000 and that's what would happen if we allowed someone to be nominated based on their maturity. Please tell us what criteria you propose should be used to determine maturity? And who would get to decide? Please don't say George because he already stated in the meeting that "if I have to step in the committee is not doing it's job" Answers would be appreciated. Thank you.  |
Date: 11/21/2002 3:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 29262
YAY! definatly I am 13 and I have been here for 3 years. I think it is unfair that 18 and older can be on the commitee and younger people cannot. Just because we are younger does not mean we have to be left out of everything.  |
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Date: 11/21/2002 4:11:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
Karma: why the people whom it concerns darlin quite a few of us live in the U.S. am i right and last time i checked we were still living in a democracy where popular soverignty applied. we know each other and we know who's going to be serious i was just looking forward to a vote that was NOT going to be a popularity contest like at school.. another thing love my name is MOONSTORM and don't you forget it it's right up there above the updates. |
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Date: 11/21/2002 5:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
I think your reply to Karma Killer just showed where your maturity level is. |
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Date: 11/21/2002 6:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 1631
AGAIN, ditto what BCAR just said... |
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Date: 11/21/2002 7:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 25390
LMAO |
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Date: 11/21/2002 8:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 25390
OMG what the......? Sorry, I replied to the wrong post! But since we're here....Moonstorm (Look, I put your name!), not everyone on this site is from the U.S. But since you mention the U.S. Are citizens uner 18 allowed to vote? No. Why do you think that is? Hmmmmm. I think if it's good enough for the constitution, it's good enough for USM, if you want to get political about it. |
Date: 11/21/2002 8:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 42423
I personally agree with an age limit, this is the way it is in the real world, sadly the fact that not all youngsters are mature means that all youngsters have to be placed in the same category. I'm not saying it's fair, its just the way it is, whether driving, drinking or even owning a credit card, there are ages of responsibility. As to the younger generation not having a voice I would disagree, i'm sure that Radman and Ginger as well as anyone on the committee will listen to any suggestion, whether from an 8 year old or an 80 year old, and if the suggestion is good i'm sure that it will get discussed with all the other suggestions as an equal. The other thing too note is that all the "oldies" myself included were once young, it is not them and us, just us. Regards  |
Date: 11/21/2002 9:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
No, If I had my way, The children would be outside somewhere, out from under the Adult Conversations Totaly! Thats they way children were raised when I was a Child, and I think it should still be applied today. But of course...., That just my HUMBLE OPPINION.  |
Date: 11/21/2002 9:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
You think the adults are being unfair here?? As my Momma use to say..There will come a time my dear when you will be on the other side and the younger folks will be saying that very same thing to you. :) Another thing..Do you understand just what dedication, hard work, patience and maturity it will take to get this committee set in order? Are you capable of settling some major issues which will definitely arise before it comes to completion? I can see from your answer to KK that you can be somewhat rude and on the defensive over some minor matter. USM does not need those who are very easily offended on this committee. It would be doomed before it even got off the ground. Hang in there..Your turn is coming. :)  |
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Date: 11/21/2002 9:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
Children today, should be put back in their places! Speak only when spoken to. If an adult wants your oppinions, they will ask! Otherwise stay in the kids frame of mind. You'll grow up soon enough. Don't be rushing it! |
Date: 11/21/2002 11:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
i say yay wanna know why because im tired of oppression of teens i even see it with the local music scene in my town some of the venues have had all ages shows then they say we did something that was broken before that and then say it was us so we cant go and theres like a small minority of people over 18 like 5% of the people that go are over 18 so yeah we need representation not all of us are still teenagers intellectually  |
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Date: 11/21/2002 11:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
haadam i beg to differ if you want children to stay children you gotta respect them intelectually im older than alot of people that are 20! and i dont get the whole speak only when spoken to thing the only thing children got out of that is torment because they werent allowed to tell on a molestor heh go figure i was raised on an adult level by my father he treated me as an adult but without all the freedoms so compared to alot of people im mature and also about the whole "not needing easily offended people" thing i have something to say i get offended but theres a time and place to let it go and its not when on official buisness |
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Date: 11/21/2002 1:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
hey i made a joke so what i'm not on the commitee so what does it matter i felt like making a joke and last time i checked i was allowed to do that.... and oh haadam well i've lived in the country for quite some time and i follow that rule oh so well whe i have to but when i am in a group of my PEERS yes i say peers because no-one really knows if that 21 year old isn't really a 13 year old pretending. |
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Date: 11/21/2002 2:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Jestr, I don't care how mature, or Grown up, you think you are now. When you get to be in your 30's, and looking "BACK", on the wisdom you have today, You yourself "THEN", will agree,and think then, that you were nothing more than a kid, who thought he was mature. Just wait and see. When you get there, try and remember that you were told it would happen. And so, the Cycle will repeat itself once again. You then will be telling the smart allick younguns they are wrong if they think themselves as being mature. |
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Date: 11/21/2002 2:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
haadam i look back at 13 and realise how juvenile i acted then so im sure when im 30 i will look back and realise some things i do now is so juvenile but ya know you cant forget what its like to be a kid also |
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Date: 11/21/2002 2:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Author, Point Proven! Kids who are Pretending to be Grown ups. Never the less, their just Children at Play! Puberty hits, Its time to sprout. Problem is..., Wisdom is just not the thing that Sprouts. |
| Date: 11/21/2002 2:34:00 PM ( Admin-JGB ) Haadam I think it is a shame you keep putting the kids down. When do you propose to let them start being a part of decision making?? when they are over 18....? Gonna throw them out in the world without any prior knowledge on the way things are run and the right way to make decisions?? Great... perpetuation of the problem ... |
Date: 11/21/2002 2:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 51744
I am also behind the age limmit. I know some younger people and its like Haadam said in the last comment, when you look back at 30 and realize how you acted and you thought that you knew everything you will regret it. I also belive that some children are more adult then sometimes the 20-30 yr olds. I am 21 but I was 18 at the age of 16. So I can see where some of the kids are comming from. So my vote is NAY.  |
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Date: 11/21/2002 2:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Jestr, You are Right, I still have not forgotten what is was like being a kid! And TRULY, TRULY, looking back on all the Times, that I thought I was having it rough being a teenager, no matter what the reason was that caused me to feel the things I was feeling. I know now, that they were only minimal to the problems I face today! Then I could not wait to be where I am today with the Respect that Adults recieve, in a Grown up World. Now..., If I could only Go back, again and know what I know now. Oh how I'd love taking Orders from Dear Old Mom, And Pop! The shelter, the care, their reasonings, My Chores, all were just candy without chocolate coatings. If Only I could have saw that then! |
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Date: 11/21/2002 3:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
Dear Moonstorm, you never did answer my question. I would appreciate an answer. The question was: Please tell us what criteria you propose should be used to determine maturity? And who would get to decide? Please don't say George because he already stated in the meeting that "if I have to step in the committee is not doing it's job" Answers would be appreciated. Thank you. |
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Date: 11/21/2002 3:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
karma i think that the voters should chose if they're voting for the person they're voting for they already know the person or a little bit about the person, and i know that the people here care enough about the site to be serious in voting and being on the committe |
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Date: 11/21/2002 4:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that you think the person who nominates should determine the maturity level of their candidate? Please tell me how this would work in the case of an 8 year old child nominating her 11 year old friend? Also, were you aware that people are allowed to nominate themselves? Since this is the case, are you saying we should allow people to determine their own level of maturity? In this hypothetical situation, a 5 year old with an account could nominate themselves because they felt they were mature enough to make these decisions. Would you think a 5 year old would be mature enough, if they thought themselves to be? If not, why not? And if not, what cut off age do you think is best, and more importantly, why would you pick that age. I look forward to your answers. |
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Date: 11/21/2002 4:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
LOL.....Jungabel.I agree with Haadam...yo ugo Haadam |
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Date: 11/21/2002 6:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
first off karma darlin i'd like to say that hypothetically the said eight year old knows him/herself if they think they are mature enough well they've nominated themselves then haven't they as to wether they get the votes well we know that is very unlikely, so even hypothetically if the said five year old (which is a very smart 5 year old may i add my little sister is 4 and can't even remeber how to spell stop or no) nominates him/herself they may not be voted for, i just think that it would be nice if some of the very mature 15 year olds (not just for me i'm only 13) had the chance to have a chance if you understand what i'm saying there |
Date: 11/21/2002 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 56864
I think that there need to be limits, but not this far. For all of the young whippersnappers such as myself, how does being under 18 change our view of things? Was it written in the plan for life that on your 18th birthday, your opinions become different from those of the day before? I think not! As for one year here, that's a fair guideline, because it's enough time to build up a strong opinion (or opinions) about USM. Sincerely,  |
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Date: 11/21/2002 6:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
You guys are making a poor case for the maturity of the 17 and unders. Author: Being sarcastic is a poor debating tool. |
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Date: 11/21/2002 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
Don't bother Bcar. She doesn't hear you now. Of course in future I'll wager she will look back up calling me "darlin", as a means of sarcasm or sophistication, with red cheeks. |
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Date: 11/22/2002 4:10:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
you know what when i say darlin it's natural for me because i live in the south so don't try and talk about me like i'm not here |
Date: 11/22/2002 4:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
I am 17.. i turn 18 in july... i was given as voice and a opinion i have the right to share it..who are you to tell us younger generation to pipe down and keep it yourself..sure we can tell someone else our ideas but then that could get into the whole thing of they take that idea as there own and don't give credit to the youngin that thought of it but again that might not happen who knows.. i think maybe you could have a seperate committee date that includes everyone and also have another that can take those ideas from us youngins and shape them into something *shrug* heh the second one would be with the age limit cutoff doodatchie...just the 2 cents from the sparky  |
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Date: 11/22/2002 4:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
Also karma hun .. there are southerners here who do say things such as darlin and honey and sugapie don't jump all over someone for not changing the way they speak when they type sweetie... |
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Date: 11/22/2002 5:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Well Icy Sparks I wasn't going to take this "darlin" issue any further..BUT..I have checked Moonstorm's past posts and her southern twang seems to have recently came to life on this post. Isn't that amazing?? You see..Some of the more mature have learned to recognize a cover up in an attempt to justify a lot faster than the less mature. Maybe I should be so bold as to put it into the correct sense..Many who are more mature by reason of experience, learn to recognize a lie sooner than someone who is less mature. I often say when someone attempts to pull one over on me.. "I wasn't born yesterday". This saying applies here. |
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Date: 11/22/2002 5:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
If you were raised in the South you would also know that a 13 year old calling an adult "darlin'" would be considered disrespectfull. I'll only say one thing more, There had to be some type of age cut off and obviously one was picked, it could have been 16 or 14 (both of which would have still cut you out) or even 10 (which is ridiculous). To all the 17 and unders all I can say is wait a few years, you will have ample opportunity to run the world soon enough. |
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Date: 11/22/2002 7:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 25390
1) Being born and raised in the south, I would've gotten in DEEP trouble if I called an adult "darlin." I STILL wouldn't dare call my mother that. But that's not what this debate is about. IcySparks, no one is asking the children to "pipe down" and not have an opinion. That is your right. If you have an opinion you want to convey, anyone adult "mature enough" (I'm really starting to hate that phrase) WOULD give you full credit for your input. Oh, and Moonstorm, I read in your comment earlier that your "peers because no-one really knows if that 21 year old isn't really a 13 year old pretending." I promise you can tell a difference between a 13 and a 21 year old in their mannerism. I'm glad you used those ages too, because I am 21 and my stepbrother happens to be 13. If you put the two of us next to each other, you COULD see the age difference. When I am talking to him online, you CAN tell the different writing styles and computer habits. I don't understand why all of you want to grow up so fast. WHen I was your age, you couldn't pay me enough money to be involved in adult issues. Sure, "it's not fair." But who said life was? It's not like you will never be 18. It will come and go before you have a chance to blink. And I promise that if you act like an adult now, you are going to look back years later and wonder why. |
Date: 11/22/2002 10:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 10733
ok I have mixed feelings about this althought I think you should have a right to represent yourselves. I also think most of the problems stem from the adults at this site and as such the adults should be the ones to resolve them.  |
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Date: 11/22/2002 2:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
okay fine i lost my debate that's okay ya'll did some nice debating out there well i lost and i admit it but well i'm rather annoyed at people bothering me with my southerness and oh when you look at past posts i wasn't trying to get a point across at peole who annoyed me quite as much |
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Date: 11/22/2002 2:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
I am sorry if I annoyed you, but that's one point being made here. One should be able to look at the points a person makes (which may be valid) and not their personality (which may me annoying). Having said this, let me commend you on coming forward to concede this debate. |
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Date: 11/22/2002 3:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 52141
Heh disrespectful?? ..nevermind on this i don't want to be *disrespectful* to my elders and well Rusure you know what no comment i'm not going to add to the fire..i hate when people assume they know everything but in reality they sure as heck don't...and as to the udate two i vote yay...my opinion is my own flame me for it if you want... |
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Date: 11/23/2002 11:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
oddsmell im curious make a wild guess to my age(i dont know if i said it in the debate yet tho lol im tired) |
Date: 11/26/2002 9:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 43339
Your author id tells me you're fairly new. Heck, if they don't want to take my opinion, they don't have to. It doesn't matter to me. No one ever did listen when i spoke, why should they now? Once again, I , like most of america's teenage population, are cast aside, and called ignorant. Although they use euphamisisms for it. It is all the same thing.  |
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