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MYSTERY RELIGION...HISTORY LESSONS FROM BABEL>>>>RANGERIDER

  Author:  4902  Category:(Religious) Created:(8/18/2000 11:38:00 AM)
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MYSTERY RELIGION...HISTORY LESSONS FROM BABEL>>>>RANGERIDER

I did not write this but found it interesting. it may be a bit to much for some who do not study myth and or religions. it is a bit long but interesting. there are many pieces of the puzzle of history and litle by little they all come together and give a clear picture.

NIMROD, MARS AND THE MARDUK CONNECTION

The ancient Babylonian deity Marduk was associated with the planet Mars and was the origin of the legends and lore of that planet as well as many later gods and heroes. Marduk originated as the apotheosis of the biblical Nimrod. The book of Genesis lists Nimrod as a descendant of Ham, the third son of Noah. After the flood when men began to multiply once again and to establish settlements, the majority of Noah's descendants evidently settled together in the valley of Mesopotamia, though a few spread out into Palestine and north-west Africa. After about a thousand years (exact date unspecified in the Bible), Nimrod was born in what is now Ethiopia.

According to tradition, Nimrod set out to establish himself an empire and began by conquering the cities which had become established in Mesopotamia. Among these were Babel, Erech, Akkad, and Calneh in Sumeria, and in Assyria the cities of Rehoboth, Calah, and Resen. Besides conquering these seven cities he also founded Ninevah. The Bible is specific in stating that he was the first man after the flood to become an emperor. He seems to have been impelled and empowered by super-human force and his onslaught was irresistible. Genesis 10 describes Nimrod as a "mighty hunter before the LORD." The term is not complimentary, but implies ruthlessness and a lust for power.

After establishing his kingdom in the Tigris/Euphrates region Nimrod consolidated his power by establishing a state religion. He constructed a religion that included deification and worship of the emperor (himself), worship of Satan and his demons, and star-worship (corrupted from a pure antediluvian astronomy{{this is meaning before the Flood of Noah>>>>>>>RR). A key unifying factor in his religion was to be an astronomical/astrological observatory built upon the pinnacle of a pyramid, or tower, at Babel. It has been suggested that Nimrod spent some time in Egypt before moving up to Mesopotamia and that while in Egypt he studied the Egyptian mystery religion perpetuated there from before the flood by the wife of Ham, whom tradition takes to be a descendant of Cain.

The building of this pyramid (or ziggurat) was interrupted by God himself in order to prevent Nimrod from extending his sway over all of the inhabited earth, according to Genesis. God halted the work by confusing their language so they could no longer cooperate easily with one another, nor indeed easily inhabit the same region together. As a consequence the human race was dispersed, and as men scattered they carried with them remnants of primeval revelation from God, and Satan/hero worship which Nimrod had invented as well. This system of muddled half-truths is known today to Bible scholars as the "Babylonian Mystery Religion." From a biblical point of view this religious system is described as the well-spring for all subsequent false religion and endless mythological systems, (For example see Isaiah 47 and revelation Chapters 17 and 18).

After their deaths, Nimrod and his wife Semiramis (the ancient "queen of heaven") were confirmed by their priests as gods and given homage as Marduk and Astarte. The name Marduk was not revealed to the masses but his attributes were set forth under pseudonyms of various gods constructed for the public interest. Some of his alter-egos include:

ENKI The god of wisdom, incantations, and the deep waters of the oceans. This god was also called APSU, from which comes the name Poseidon.

ASTALLUHI The son of ENKI/APSU was the god of healing and exorcism. The temple of Marduk at Babylon was called the Esagila after him. This name is the original of the Greek Aesculapeus. Astalluhi was also the god of wisdom like his father but in addition the god of instruction and the tutor of many of the other gods and heroes of the Babylonian pantheon. This aspect of his personality became associated with the Greek centaur Chiron who fulfilled a similar function. The Titan Atlas also derives his name and personality from this god.

BEL/BAAL This was the primary name by which other nations (including Israel) were introduced to the worship of Marduk. Baal means "lord" or "master". Under this name with many prefixes and suffixes he was worshiped by the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Syrians and to some extent by the Egyptians. Later, the Greeks associated him with Hercules under the name Melkarth which is a transliteration of Marduk. The name Baal sometimes occurs in connection with a locality such as "Baal-Peor" or "Baal-Hermon". More frequently it occurs with compound attributes such as "Baal-zebub", "lord of the flies", still today one of the epithets of Satan. "Baal-zephon" later to be the god Triton means "lord of the black north, or the northern void", and "Meri-Baal" translates as "lord of the rebellion".

NABUL/NEBO The prophet. This god was the son of Marduk associated with prophecy received by singing, chanting and muttering (in "other tongues"); as well as oracles. He was the original of both Apollo (Nabul) and Hermes as the Greeks knew them. The names Nabul and Bel were the official names of Nimrod/Marduk in later periods and were popular in later periods among the ruling classes of Babylon as name elements as in NEBUchadnezzar and BELshazzar.

As a note on the Babylonian mystery religion, the original cult of the mother and child, Semiramis and Tammuz, became later Isis and Osiris, Venus and Adonis, the madonna and child in various cultures down to this day.

There is one common element to Nimrod/Marduk in all his manifestations and that is the symbol of the snake/serpent/dragon. Nimrod took the dragon as his personal emblem, so that from him spring various dragon myths and their special association with apocalyptic events. Strikingly the only favorable accounts of dragons are found among the Hamitic peoples of the world (like Nimrod) including the Ethiopians, Hittites, Chinese, Japanese and American Indian.

The thread of serpent lore is evident in all of Marduk's guises regardless of nation, pantheon, or role. Poseidon was accompanied by creatures who were half man and half snake as well as by the sea serpent Leviathan (mentioned in Job). Aesculapeus/Chiron/Hermes were all associated with the cadduceus of entwined serpents. The story of Apollo and the python is well known as that of Hercules/Melkarth and the Hydra. The god Triton was half snake. That the worship of Nimrod and Semiramis is the origin of all the pagan systems on earth is well documented by Alexander Hislop in his book, The Two Babylons which contains many sound facts in spite of the author's anti-Roman-Catholic sentiments which appear to some readers as too strong.

The Bible reveals that the ultimate source of all this evil is not to be sought in Nimrod the man (the first of the post-flood antichrists), but rather in the evil character of the one who possessed him, namely Satan. In many passages throughout the Bible the following associations are made about Satan: the serpent in Eden, Leviathan the sea monster, the dragon, "that ancient serpent", "the god of this age", the king of Babylon, the king of Tyre (Phoenicia), the king of Egypt (pharaoh), the father of lies, the prince of the power of the air, etc. In Isaiah 14 he is spoken of as the instigator of war in the heavens (space) by attempting to "ascend to the sides of the north" in order to seat himself upon the throne of God and thus to rule the universe. Thus he is the "lord of (the) rebellion" and "lord of the black void of the north".

The primeval astronomy, of which Babylonian astrology, (still extant today) was a corruption, was based on the realization that the entire universe was created and had worth only in relation to the earth. Thus the ancients saw it as no accident that the stars and planets were set in a certain order by God at creation (see the classic books by Seiss and Bullinger on this subject). The antediluvian patriarchs developed a system of constellations to serve as perpetual reminders of man's fall and the promise of a coming redeemer as well as a record of the angelic conflict down through the ages.

At the most prominent place in the heavens the patriarchs placed the constellation Draco, the dragon, which lies coiled about that point of the sky they called "absolute north". This is the center of the circle which the earth's north pole describes in the sky every 25,858 years. About 4000 BC the star Iota Draconis was the nearest visible star to the north pole, while about 3000 BC the north pole centered exactly on the star Alpha Draconis (also called Thuban), the brightest star in the constellation. This portion of the Dragon is depicted as attempting to encoil the constellation Ursa Minor which was originally called the "little flock", or "little sheepfold", namely the faithful remnant of Israel or the people of God. We find this exact picture written in the prose of the book of Revelation, Chapter 12, describing events yet to be enacted in human history! That is, the most devastating battle of all is yet to be fought on earth and in space ("the heavens"). The pole star today is of course Polaris in Ursa Minor and will next enter the constellation Cepheus, which constellation pictures God as the triumphant king over all the earth.

It is also notable that in primeval astronomy the dragon's head is shown as being crushed under the foot of a hero who at the same time is using a club to beat to death the Hydra who has stolen the fruit of immortality. Head to head with this hero, set in mirror-image across from him is a second hero grappling with a huge snake whose gaping jaws are straining to grasp "Corona Borealis", the Crown of the North. This second hero is also crushing a vile enemy underfoot, this time it is the scorpion, yet even as he does this another scorpion bites his heel. This early configuration of the constellations around the north pole was derived from Biblical ideas about the events recorded much later in Genesis.

The Babylonian Creation Epic describes Marduk leading a rebellion of the gods against Tiamat who has planned destruction for them. The Hebrew cognate for Tiamat is TEHOM used in the Bible only to describe "the deep" upon which God moved at the beginning of creation. Later a part of the "tehom" was imprisoned within the bowels of the earth (in Jewish rabbinical tradition) and opened to release the "waters from below" at the same time the vapor canopy collapsed during the flood in order to destroy the civilization of Noah's day. This destruction is said to have come about because on excessive influence by Satan in the affairs of men, such as intermarriage with mortals producing giants on the earth with various genetic defects of a serious nature. In the Babylonian version Marduk wins and is eulogized by the other gods in a list of fifty names to which can be traced most of the gods of antiquity. This epic was read aloud every New Year's day in Babylon in front of the statue of Marduk.

New Year's Day was the most important day of the Babylonian calendar and during the ceremonies the statues of Marduk and his son Nabul were carried to a special shrine outside of the city where Marduk would prophecy and Nabul would interpret his words (the beast and false prophet imagery of Revelation l3). The statue of Marduk ands its attendant regalia were captured by conquerors several times, and their return was always connected with re-incarnation and the resumption of his rule over the earth. Marduk was the great god of war and only once in all his battles was he wounded when his helmet slipped from his head. As a result he received a fatal blow but being a god reincarnated himself. It was in his warrior aspect that he was related to Mars, the god of war.

The Bible speaks of Satan temporarily regaining rule over the earth at the end of our present age through "the beast and the false prophet". The first is a civil military leader in Europe or the west, the latter is a false messiah (in Israel in all probability), the latter is thought to be a religious as opposed to secular leader. These two will "make war on the people of God" and the false prophet will proclaim himself to be God in the Third Temple in Jerusalem (see Matthew 24) at which point earth will enter a period known as "the time of Jacob's trouble" spoken of by the Hebrew prophets or the 3-1/2 year "great tribulation" known to Christians. At the conclusion of this catastrophic time when most life on earth is destroyed, Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives to usher in a millennial kingdom during which time Satan will be "bound" and removed from influence on earth.

Is it then a coincidence that our computer conference has now come to believe that we may have found the image of an angelic malevolent being on Mars, a planet which appears to be scarred by an ancient war in the heavens? Is it a coincidence that we should find out such things as these as our own planet enters times of momentous problems beyond the capabilities of mere men to solve?

The Syllable M*R

It is remarkable that there is a syllable with the consonant value "M*R" which is found everywhere in connection with the planet Mars, the god of Mars, and its associated emblem, the dragon. The source of all these words is to be found in the Semitic roof "marah" (M*R) which in Hebrew means bitterness as well as disobedience. From this roof is derived "marad" (M*R*D), or rebellion, which is the original both of Nimrod (the Babylonian Nin-Mir-Rud), or (N*M*R*D), as well as Marduk/Merodach (M*R*D*K). The Bible tells us that Nimrod was the founder of Ninevah, and Ninevah's own half-legendary history ascribes that honor to one Ninur or Nimur (N*M*R).

Marduk was the original in both name and character of the gods Mercury (M*R*K*R) and Mars (M*R*TS) from which of course we derive the current names of these planets. It is notable that Mercury, like Mars, is also "battle-scarred".

Under the name Apsu (P*S), Marduk became Poseidon (P*S*D*N) who founded Atlantis which was named after his son Atlas (T*L*S), the Babylonian Astalluhi (S*T*L*). Atlantis was overthrown in the throes of a great war bringing destruction and dissolution upon the land. The only remnant of Atlantis was the island Hesperus (S*P*R) upon which lived a dragon in possession of the fruit of the tree of life (immortality). This fruit was stolen by the god Hercules/Melkarth (M*L*K*R*T), a pseudonym of Marduk (M*R*D*K). The people of Atlantis, called Merodes (M*R*D) were descendants of Merou (M*R) or Merod (M*R*D).

The Nubians tell of an island called Meru upon which were built pyramids by a race of red men. This legend came to the Hindus as the FIVE-SIDED mountain they call Meru (M*R) ruled over by Indra, (N-M*D*R) who was the mouthpiece of god and himself a god. He conquered seven cities and ruled over the earth in Hindu mythology. Meru was a five-sided mountain from which the heavens were suspended with the pole star as its apex. This is the reason Asian temples are built in the shape of a mountain having a flame at the summit. Here also we see Atlas who became a mountain and bore the heavens on his shoulders, relieved only once by Hercules/Melkarth.

Tibetan legend tells of the fall of the "land of seven cities" by earthquake and eruption at the fall of the star Bel (Mars). The people perished it is said because they ignored the warnings of their priest, Mu (M).

Another lost-continent myth is that of Mu or Lemuria (L*M*R) which was publicized by James Churchward in the 19th century. According to him, Mu was situated in the Pacific Ocean and bore a population of 64 million people of assorted colors and tribes. Mu sank when gas-filled caverns in the earth beneath collapsed. The survivors founded colonies in Micronesia, China and Egypt but the only place they flourished was in Central America where they are said to have produced great Indian cultures. This may seem to be an insubstantial myth until one considers a modern day popular religion, Mormonism. Mormonism is founded upon the supposed revelation to Joseph Smith of a set of golden tablets by the angel Moroni (M*R*N) who had once been a human prophet to the great cities of central America said to have been founded by refugees from the Tower of Babel (Bab-El means "the gate of god" and also "confusion"). Moroni's warnings went unheeded and so they perished, but his prophecies were supposed to have been written down and given to Smith. This Moroni, from whom the Mormons are named, identifies himself with Quetzlcoatl/Kulkulkan, the winged-serpent and hero-god who brought civilization to the Aztecs and returned home on a raft of snakes over the sea.

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Date: 8/18/2000 12:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 10915    Very Interesting...Girlie  
Date: 8/18/2000 12:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 4739    Wow! Now can you explain that all to me in English! :) I think you put my brain on overload on this one, Rangerider! You shouldn't spring these stories on people towards the end of the day! Just kidding! I really enjoyed reading this. I've never heard this before; it's remarkable! It sure does give you a lot to think about.  
Date: 8/18/2000 12:32:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    tammy did you ever find that book willmingtons guide to the bible? it is full of info like this.  
Date: 8/18/2000 1:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 11240    You're very well read, Rangerider, and I for one thank you for your information. When God banished certain angels from Heaven, did He fling them into space and to all these planets, including earth? Did these intelligent beings then interact with the evolution that God was enacting to produce some of the great marvels of construction on this earth? Do the descendants of these angels flung from Heaven onto other planets come to earth (UFO's) in order to discover the "secret" of living in God's Grace? God Bless. Deb  
Date: 8/18/2000 1:30:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    DEb don't doubt but some of what you say is true.but the angels that turned against God are either chained in the pit awaiting judgement or causing problems for mankind by disrupting Gods plans for man. the are still at war with God. God has his angels Satan has his. their is a book that may now be hard to come by that has many of these answers call The Omega conspiracy; really floored me when I read it. by an english Baptist pastor by the name of IDE Thomas. there is also Chuck missler who has done much research on this. he is on the internet and has what is called the missler report. sould come up if you type it in to search on the internet. here is another excellent site for this type of info. http://www.ldolphin.org/  
Date: 8/18/2000 2:04:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    another site "and I do not agree w/ every thing on the site" is this. >>>>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/3403/  
Date: 8/18/2000 2:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 11211    I knew about the last one Mormonism, but had no ideal about all the rest of this story. I am amazed! I am trying to grasp everything I read these days, and this is great! Glad you posted this. Whitedove.  
Date: 8/19/2000 3:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 160    RR, Excellent research and although I have some knowledge of Nimrod and his history, you filled in a lot of blanks for me. I am curious to know if you found any refrence to the trinity in Babel? Also, we are aware that Nimrod was a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah so anything that he produced in the way of worship of course would be considered false. Any mention of the goddess Saturnalia? I believe this to be an ancient celebration of this Goddess done by way of festivals every year on or around December 17, coinsiding with the winter solstice. I believe this has it's roots in ancient Babel as well and so would be another false teaching carried on. Wouldn't Christmas is the modern day corrolation of this celebration?  
Date: 8/19/2000 8:05:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    sure pammyjo it is found in gen:11-7 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.   
Date: 8/19/2000 8:06:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    iwill answer the rest in a day or two, when i return.  
Date: 8/19/2000 6:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 177    I believe that the story of the Tower of Babel, the Deluge, the Garden of Eden, are legends that were shared & incorporated by many of the mid-eastern cultures of ancient times. When the Jews were held captive by the Babylonians, they adapted many of the myths that the Sumerian peoples believed in. It is being discovered by modern science that there was a particularly large flood in the area of what is now known as the Black Sea. One of the recent National Geographic Magazines has an excellent article on this. I don't believe that there is a corruption of facts from one tale to another...it's just that a flood metaphor is a universal archetypal belief based both on legends based on actual events, combined with the human psyche's inner dramas of purging & the rebirth of the earth.  
Date: 8/19/2000 6:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 177    ....I think that more down to earth explanations can be found for the evolution of the languages of Man. Rather than angels coming down to confuse the tongues of Mankind, I think that non mythological explanations can be found for the variety of human languages. I sincerely believe that Man's languages evolved gradually over thousands of years of time. No need to call into reference an almighty God with a bad attitude toward the accomplishments & aspirations of the beings he created through evolution (spiritualy & physicaly).  
Date: 8/19/2000 7:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 177    I guess you could say that I am a person somewhere between being a skeptic of the paranormal & the mythological, yet admitting that there is much anecdotal evedence that supports the "supernatural". While many of my beliefs might be labled, by some, to be New Age...I also "choke" on fables of Atlantis, Mu, Ancient Astronauts, etc, etc., (which are often incorporated into New Age thought) as much as I "gag" on what I consider the myths of the Bible. I find myths to be fascinating in themselves, but I find myself diverging considerably from both Christian Fundamentalism (which I was raised on) as well as some of the New Age concepts that have attracted me. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I think I'm trying to say that I love the mystery of it all. I do not deny that I may be wrong in much of what I believe, yet I am not willing to be intimidated by dire verses from the Bible...promissing dam#ation to those who walk a different path. Kindest regards,  
Date: 8/19/2000 8:55:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    thats ok tc its a free world; we usally do the most damage to ourselves.we may not need god but we know that God does not need us{thus his Love is proven} now science has proven that all language goes back to just one comman language as does the genes of man go back to just one mother they aptly named EVE.TC what denomination were you church of christ? or mormon?   
Date: 8/19/2000 8:56:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    'When all men were of one language, some of them built a high tower, as if they would thereby ascend up to heaven; but the gods sent storms of wind and overthrew the tower, and gave everyone his peculiar language; and for this reason it was that the city was called Babylon....After this they were dispersed abroad, on account of their languages, and went out by colonies everywhere; and each colony took possession of that land which they lighted upon, and unto which God led them; so that the whole continent was filled with them, both the inland and maritime countries. There were some also who passed over the sea in ships, and inhabited the islands; and some of these nations do still retain the names which were given to them by their first founders; but some also have lost them...The Sybil (Josephus. Antiq. i. 5.)  
Date: 8/19/2000 9:01:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    I have this book and have found parts of it on the internet so I am posting this portion in hope that it gives a clear picture of the people who came off the ark and populated the world that we know today. RANGERIDER>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Noah and his family stepped out of the Ark, they were the only people on Earth. It fell to Noah’s three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and their wives, to repopulate the earth through the children that were born to them after the Flood. Of Noah’s grandchildren, 16 grandsons are named in Genesis chapter 10. God has left us ample evidence to confirm that these 16 grandsons of Noah really lived, that the names the Bible gives were their exact names, and that after the Babel dispersion (Genesis 11) their descendants fanned out over the earth and established the various nations of the ancient world. The first generations after the Flood lived to be very old, with some men outliving their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. This set them apart. The 16 grandsons of Noah were the heads of their family clans, which became large populations in their respective areas. Several things happened: 1.People in various areas called themselves by the name of the man who was their common ancestor. 2.They called their land, and often their major city and major river, by his name. 3.Sometimes the various nations fell off into ancestor worship. When this happened, it was natural for them to name their god after the man who was ancestor of all of them, or to claim their long-living ancestor as their god. All of this means that the evidence has been preserved in a way that can never be lost, and all the ingenuity of man cannot erase. We will now examine it. The seven sons of Japheth Genesis 10:1–2 reads: ‘Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.’ The first of Noah’s grandsons mentioned is Gomer. Ezekiel locates the early descendants of Gomer, along with Togarmah (a son of Gomer), in the north quarters (Ezekiel 38:6). In modern Turkey is an area which in New Testament times was called Galatia. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus records that the people who were called Galatians or Gauls in his day (c. AD 93) were previously called Gomerites.1 They migrated westward to what are now called France and Spain. For many centuries France was called Gaul, after the descendants of Gomer. North-west Spain is called Galicia to this day. Some of the Gomerites migrated further to what is now called Wales. The Welsh historian, Davis, records a traditional Welsh belief that the descendants of Gomer ‘landed on the Isle of Britain from France, about three hundred years after the flood’.2 He also records that the Welsh language is called Gomeraeg (after their ancestor Gomer). Other members of their clan settled along the way, including in Armenia. The sons of Gomer were ‘Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah’ (Genesis 10:3). Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the Armenians traditionally claim to be descended from Togarmah and Ashkenaz.3 Ancient Armenia reached into Turkey. The name Turkey probably comes from Togarmah. Others of them migrated to Germany. Ashkenaz is the Hebrew word for Germany. The next grandson mentioned is Magog. According to Ezekiel, Magog lived in the north parts (Ezekiel 38:15, 39:2). Josephus records that those whom he called Magogites, the Greeks called Scythians.1 According to Encyclopædia Britannica, the ancient name for the region which now includes part of Romania and the Ukraine was Scythia.4 The next grandson is Madai. Along with Shem’s son Elam, Madai is the ancestor of our modern-day Iranians. Josephus says that the descendants of Madai were called Medes by the Greeks.1 Every time the Medes are mentioned in the Old Testament, the word used is the Hebrew word Madai (maday). After the time of Cyrus, the Medes are always (with one exception) mentioned along with the Persians. They became one kingdom with one law — ‘the law of the Medes and Persians’ (Daniel 6:8, 12, 15). Later they were simply called Persians. Since 1935 they have called their country Iran. The Medes also ‘settled India’.5 The name of the next grandson, Javan, is the Hebrew word for Greece. Greece, Grecia, or Grecians appears five times in the Old Testament, and is always the Hebrew word Javan. Daniel refers to ‘the king of Grecia’ (Daniel 8:21), literally ‘the king of Javan’. Javan’s sons were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim (Genesis 10:4), all of whom have connections with the Greek people. The Elysians (an ancient Greek people) obviously received their name from Elishah. Tarshish or Tarsus was located in the region of Cilicia (modern Turkey). Encyclopædia Britannica says that Kittim is the biblical name for Cyprus.6 The Greeks worshipped Jupiter under the name of Jupiter Dodanaeus, possibly a reference to the fourth son of Javan, with Jupiter a derivative of Japheth. His oracle was at Dodena. Next is Tubal. Ezekiel mentions him along with Gog and Meshech (Ezekiel 39:1). Tiglath-pileser I, king of Assyria in about 1100 BC, refers to the descendants of Tubal as the Tabali. Josephus recorded their name as the Thobelites, who were later known as Iberes.1 ‘Their land, in Josephus’ day, was called by the Romans Iberia, and covered what is now (the former Soviet State of) Georgia whose capital to this day bears the name Tubal as Tbilisi. From here, having crossed the Caucasus mountains, this people migrated due north-east, giving their tribal name to the river Tobol, and hence to the famous city of Tobolsk.’7 Meshech, the name of the next grandson, is the ancient name for Moscow. Moscow is both the capital of Russia, and the region that surrounds the city. To this day, one section, the Meschera Lowland, still carries the name of Meshech, virtually unchanged by the ages. According to Josephus, the descendants of grandson Tiras were called Thirasians. The Greeks changed their name to Thracians.1 Thrace reached from Macedonia on the south to the Danube River on the north to the Black Sea on the east. It took in much of what became Yugoslavia. World Book Encyclopedia says: ‘The people of Thrace were savage Indo-Europeans, who liked warfare and looting.’8 Tiras was worshipped by his descendants as Thuras, or Thor, the god of thunder. The four sons of Ham Next we come to the sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Phut, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6). The descendants of Ham live mainly in south-west Asia and Africa. The Bible often refers to Africa as the land of Ham (Psalms 105:23,27; 106:22). The name of Noah’s grandson Cush is the Hebrew word for old Ethiopia (from Aswan south to Khartoum). Without exception, the word Ethiopia in the English Bible is always a translation of the Hebrew word Cush. Josephus rendered the name as Chus, and says that the Ethiopians ‘are even at this day, both by themselves and by all men in Asia, called Chusites’.9 Noah’s next grandson mentioned was Mizraim. Mizraim is the Hebrew word for Egypt. The name Egypt appears hundreds of times in the Old Testament and (with one exception) is always a translation of the word Mizraim. E.g. at the burial of Jacob, the Canaanites observed the mourning of the Egyptians and so called the place Abel Mizraim (Genesis 50:11). Phut, the name of Noah’s next grandson is the Hebrew name for Libya. It is so translated three times in the Old Testament. The ancient river Phut was in Libya. By Daniel’s day, the name had been changed to Libya (Daniel 11:43). Josephus says, ‘Phut also was the founder of Libia [sic], and called the inhabitants Phutites, from himself’.9 Canaan, the name of Noah’s next grandson, is the Hebrew name for the general region later called by the Romans Palestine, i.e. modern Israel and Jordan. Here we should look briefly at a few of the descendants of Ham (Genesis 10:14–18). There is Philistim, obviously the ancestor of the Philistines (clearly giving rise to the name Palestine), and Sidon, the founder of the ancient city that bears his name, and Heth, the patriarch of the ancient Hittite empire. Also, this descendant is listed in Genesis 10:15–18 as being the ancestor of the Jebusites (Jebus was the ancient name for Jerusalem — Judges 19:10), the Amorites, the Girgasites, the Hivites, the Arkites, the Sinites, the Arvadites, the Zemarites, and the Hamathites, ancient peoples who lived in the land of Canaan. The most prominent descendant of Ham was Nimrod, the founder of Babel (Babylon), as well as of Erech, Accad and Calneh in Shinar (Babylonia). The five sons of Shem Last we come to the sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram (Genesis 10:22). Elam is the ancient name for Persia, which is itself the ancient name for Iran. Until the time of Cyrus the people here were called Elamites, and they were still often called that even in New Testament times. In Acts 2:9, the Jews from Persia who were present at Pentecost were called Elamites. The Persians are thus descended from both Elam, the son of Shem, and from Madai, the son of Japheth (see above). Since the 1930s they have called their country Iran. It is interesting to note that the word ‘Aryan’, which so fascinated Adolf Hitler, is a form of the word ‘Iran’. Hitler wanted to produce a pure Aryan ‘race’ of supermen. But the very term ‘Aryan’ signifies a mixed line of Semites and Japhethites! Asshur is the Hebrew word for Assyria. Assyria was one of the great ancient empires. Every time the words Assyria or Assyrian appear in the Old Testament, they are translated from the word Asshur. He was worshipped by his descendants. ‘Indeed, as long as Assyria lasted, that is until 612 BC, accounts of battles, diplomatic affairs and foreign bulletins were daily read out to his image; and every Assyrian king held that he wore the crown only with the express permission of Asshur’s deified ghost.’10 Arphaxad was the progenitor of the Chaldeans. This ‘is confirmed by the Hurrian (Nuzi) tablets, which render the name as Arip-hurra — the founder of Chaldea.’11 His descendant, Eber, gave his name to the Hebrew people via the line of Eber-Peleg-Reu-Serug-Nahor-Terah-Abram (Genesis 11:16–26). Eber’s other son, Joktan, had 13 sons (Genesis 10:26–30), all of whom appear to have settled in Arabia.12 Lud was the ancestor of the Lydians. Lydia was in what is now Western Turkey. Their capital was Sardis — one of the seven churches of Asia was at Sardis (Revelation 3:1). Aram is the Hebrew word for Syria. Whenever the word Syria appears in the Old Testament it is a translation of the word Aram. The Syrians call themselves Arameans, and their language is called Aramaic. Before the spread of the Greek Empire, Aramaic was the international language (2 Kings 18:26 ff). On the cross, when Jesus cried out, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani’ (Mark 15:34),13 He was speaking Aramaic, the language of the common people. Conclusion We have only taken the briefest glance at Noah’s sixteen grandsons,14 but enough has been said to show that they really did live, that they were who the Bible says they were, and that their descendants are identifiable on the pages of history. Not only is the Bible not a collection of myths and legends, but it stands alone as the key to the history of the earliest ages of the world.   
Date: 8/19/2000 10:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 14067    This is really informative, and its good that you took the time to post this! I enjoyed this very much. ~~JoeJoe~~
Date: 8/20/2000 8:12:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    thanks JJ.  
Date: 8/22/2000 7:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    Rangerider, what do you think today's scientific world would do if a person was presented to them claiming "all names," i.e., blood relation to every human that has lived, is living, or will be born? Would they be secretative about such a thing? And, if so, for what reason? For if such a person existed wouldn't this give new meaning to the concept of "love thy brother" in the sense that, if everyone is commonly related, to harm ANYONE (by war, by political suppression, by murder, etc.) would be the same as harming one's own brother? God Bless. Deb  
Date: 8/23/2000 11:25:00 AM    I am missing because I cannot get logged on. was my password revoked? I do not know I am working on it. Rangerider
Date: 8/23/2000 6:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 11211    Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Hurry Back. Love and Prayers. Whitedove.  
Date: 8/24/2000 11:08:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    thanks whitedove for that verse. Ihs  
Date: 8/24/2000 1:22:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    hi Deb this is what Jesus taught. we are to love one another or our brother. tracing through blood, genetic and linguistics all trace beck to one Adam and One Eve but not he ones from the bible; no it is the Adam and Eve of evolution according to the scientists..  
Date: 8/25/2000 8:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 160    RR? You have managed to get your self lost and found in cyberspace, write more stories and have sidestepped my questions. Care to respond???  
Date: 8/25/2000 10:16:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    no pammyjo why would you expect to, since they were involved in false worship, isnt that why they were dispersed? what they were doing is forming poytheism "just a step above pantheism" and that is seen by the reserch or the worship of more then one God but many now believe that one God was the first form of worship before the flood and just afterwards, just the reverse of what scientists though it was before 1960.  
Date: 8/25/2000 10:21:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    better clarify that statement above. what secular researchers thought was that pantheism developed first leading off into polytheism and on up into theism and monotheism. by the way let me ask you a question. How old do you think the earth is? how old do the Jehovahs witnesses watchtower society say it is?  
Date: 8/25/2000 10:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 160    I asked you if any of your research concerning the trinity found links to that time period before the babel cofusion. Because evidence shows that people took with them their false worship, to their final destination. If you look hard enough you will find "trinity' in many religions. How did that happen,Thats what I want to know and if you found any reference to this in your research?  
Date: 8/25/2000 10:26:00 AM  From Authorid: 160    I dont think I'm going to fall into that trap. I dont know how old the earth is I do not however believe that "carbon Dating' is an exact science and have serious doubts that the earth is as old as they say it is. That is my opinion and not the societies. We know that Adam was created about 6,000 years ago. So mankind has been around at least that long. It makes sence to me.  
Date: 8/25/2000 11:26:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    me to, i was just wondering and it wasn't a trap. I think I answered you question about the trinity. you said>>>>>>If you look hard enough you will find "trinity' in many religions.<<<<<<<<<<<could you please explain that and show me some of the religions and the trinity. it is my understanding that only christains use the truine God concept and everything else is polytheistic or monotheistic or pantheist  
Date: 8/25/2000 12:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 160    Ya know what RR? I'm not going to sit here for an hour and do all the research and type it out for it to go nowhere. I know I started this so I'm just going to say that I was trying to show you how the trinity has it's roots imbedded in babels false teachings. In one of your stories concerning the subject, one of the witches said that they have a similar teaching. Something like maiden, mother, crone. I thought that was interesting. Just wanted to know if you caught it and what your thoughts are on the matter.  
Date: 8/25/2000 1:44:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 4902    well pammyjo I do a lot of typing too and I remember vaugely what you are saying but I did not follow up on it. besides I have no problem with the triune Godhead. it has not hindered my prayer.  
Date: 8/26/2000 3:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 177    I was raised in a no name fundamentalist group who consider themselves a continuation/or revival of the early church. They don't believe in church buildings, (they meet in private homes), seminary shools; the ministers go out "two by two" (which is what many outsiders call them). They consider themselves the one true church, & the only one that can claim to rightfully be called christian.  

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