Date: 11/25/2002 7:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
oh gosh this whole evolution makes me think of the movie "ice age" because i watched it last night... i think it's right becuase it's based on science because they cannot teach creation without touching on religion... and religion is not allowed in schools(what i think is the right way for it to be)  |
Date: 11/25/2002 7:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 61763
What would you suggest they teach you creation? neither has been proven  |
Date: 11/25/2002 7:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 53314
The truth is that theres probaly thousands of ways humans could have gotten put on this earth just we have not discoverd them yet.I mean I could Say We used to be more intellgent and flew here from some distant solar system and then our ancesotrs erased our memorys so we wouldnt remember whatever happened but witht hat came the loss of technology.I mean Anyone could basically jus tmake up something thats plasuible and call it a theory of to how we got here I wonder How we really came to be?  |
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Date: 11/25/2002 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Science has proven evolution, to anyone not wearing blinders. Hugo |
Date: 11/25/2002 8:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
evolution is something real. but that doesn't mean it can't go hand in hand with creation.  |
Date: 11/25/2002 9:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
I've been reading a lot of Hugo's comments on posts...and he's starting to scare me, because I agree with him on so many of them. LOL. Aaaaggghhh....what's happening to me!? LOL.  |
Date: 11/26/2002 3:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Lady Nyx..I know what you mean about Hugo..Even if I find a few of his comments that I don't agree with, I am laughing so hard, that it really doesn't matter. LOL  |
Date: 11/26/2002 6:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 33817
Evolution has been proven, Author. It simply does not explain the origins of life, as everyone seems to expect it do, so therefore, you feel it hasn't been proven. Your expectations not being met by a theory do not necessarily invalidate the theory.  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 7:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 33817
And didn't you say everyone was mean and you weren't going to post anymore debates? Out of curiousity, why don't you agree? |
Date: 11/26/2002 7:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 53500
Evolution remains a THEORY, not a scientfic FACT or LAW. If you want to teach it, it must be taught as a THEORY, and creationism needs to be taught opposite of it as well. Fair is fair. Also, though neither one has been proven, the burden of proof lies on evolution. As a "science" it is hinder by empiricism and rationalism, both of which require proof. Creationism is based in faith, a system of perception that does not require proof. If evolution has been proven, it HAS to prove itself back to square one. Sorry, can't get on or off a horse in mid stream. You can't just say, "Ok so there's this stuff, and it starts evolving." "Where'd this stuff come from?" "Uh, look, that's not the issue, now back to this stuff that just is and how it evolves..."  |
Date: 11/26/2002 8:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 50435
I don't buy it. There are too many unanswered questions. The fossil record does not hold up some of the main points for the evolution theory. While some of the ideas within the theory sound plausible, even likely, the idea as a whole is lacking. However, I don't go for the creation theory either. I feel that we haven't even really touched the surface of the truth. Egos and money prevent any progress from taking place. As for teaching evolution in schools I say "Why not?" Church and religious organizations are the forums for learning all that comprises the respective faiths...including creationism. But where else but public schools can you teach the masses about evolution? As I stated, I don't agree with evolution, but I do, however, feel that it has some value in terms of teaching the scientific method to students. It is not completely useless. A strong Christian is one who has seen the entire spectrum but has still chosen Christ as his/her saviour. True Christians have nothing to fear in the teaching of evolution or anything else in public schools...  |
Date: 11/26/2002 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 53927
I think that evolution should be taught because it concerns the whole world, and everyone should know it, but that doesn't necceccily mean you have to believe it. I think religion in schools should be optional because if they started teaching the theory of God creating people, then it would get messy because not everyone is of the same faith and there are lots of creation theories. But both are theories so it doesn't really matter.  |
Date: 11/26/2002 10:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
My belief is that evolution is a constant process of creation. Evolution is change over a period of time, but this change incorporates creation which occurs every moment. I don't believe the two processes are at odds with each other. Indeed, they are cause and effect. Cause being creation, and evolution being creation over time. It is time that is the confusing part. Creation always happens in a moment. Most creation (change) happens in small 'moments', but there are big creation moments too. The theory of the big bang can be seen as one such moment. The argument that worries me about the so called creation theory is that a God or being created Man instantly. I believe that the conditions for life could have happened instantly but not the complex human form.  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 10:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 33817
Suede, you're killing me. I don't know how you can have such a firm opinion on something when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Evolution cannot and will not explain the origins of life and it has never attempted to. Just your attempt to compare scientific hypothesizing to getting "on or off a horse in mid stream" makes any rational thinking person want to scream in frustration? "MIDSTREAM"? Additionally, you clearly have no clue. Question: How do you make plastic? If I show you how, the process I show you doesn't have to explain oil, you just have to know that there was OIL and if you put it through this process, you get plastic. You most CERTAINLY can say, HEY something was there and then THIS happened to get it where it is now. Where it came from, we don't know, but this is why it is the way it is today. Unbelieveable. That's like saying we can't possibly teach anything at all because we're not sure where ANYTHING came from at all, are we? |
Date: 11/26/2002 10:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
Creationism is one religions answer to the way that life was created. Evolution is the scientific model that best describes the evidence that has been found. There is quite a large body of evidence to support evolution.  |
Date: 11/26/2002 10:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
i think that schools should teach all forms of creation also to back the evolution side we are slowly losing our toes science has proved it cause we only need the joints in our toes not the toe itself  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 10:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 53500
Power one, Sorry if my answers kill you, they are what they are. Evolution is a theory, that is all. And if you can't start at ground zero, what's the point? Are you actually surrendering to creationsim by an admission that the theory of evolution can't get you to the beginning? And if it can't get me to the beginning, why bother with it all? Evolutionists are against creationism, but if they can't put us at the starting point, I don't understand having faith in their theory. A plastic spoon CAN be backtracked, evolution cannot. Sorry to frustrate you, but isn't it actually the theory of evolution that is frustrating you? |
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Date: 11/26/2002 12:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 33817
No Suede, it's you and your reasoning. If 1=2 for you, you'll never understand. Your loss. |
Date: 11/26/2002 2:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 45906
TEACH IT ALL AND GET ON WITH LIFE! only if people would stop being so whiney about learning something new that MIGHT just MIGHT help broden there mind a little teach creation teach evolution teach it all!!!!! & get on with it  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 4:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Lady Nyx, you had best get psychological help now before it is too late. (: Hugo |
Date: 11/26/2002 5:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Personally, I find evolution much more probable; much more credible, than the mythical story of Adam and Eve being made of his rib; talking to a serpent, and eating some kind of stupid fruit from a "tree of knowledge". *wink* The mythical creation story being taught alongside Evolution? Get real!  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 8:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
LOL @ Hugo...I'm pullin' out the Yellow Pages now. :D |
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Date: 11/26/2002 8:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
The thing with the teaching of evolution is that it is not a religous based belief or theory. And, although I believe like Gallytuck that it still has not been proven that man evolved from lower lifeforms, there is scientific evidence that evolution of life has taken place, so studying it to find it's progression to what point is a natural step to take. It strengthens the thinking much more than we were just created in a day and "poof" we were here. It also has much more credibility on a real and scientific level. To find the facts based on research is much more credible than to believe them because you read them somewhere or someone told you to believe in them. Religion does not belong in the school system....but education and the study of science do. |
Date: 11/26/2002 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 43339
They can teach me what they like. It doesn't mean i have to believe it.  |
Date: 11/27/2002 10:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 5886
People misunderstand science so badly, they talk as if "theory" is a bad thing! Gravity itself is only a theory, so should we teach it? A Law is something that can't be broken (under ordinary circumstances), and can never be altered. A theory is changable when new evidence comes in. Lets take Newton's law of motion( one of em). Objects at motion tend to stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside source. All evidence we've ever gathered has shown it to be true, and nothing can change that law as long as it deals with space and matter. As for Evolution, it's a theory because we obviously don't have a complete fossil record. Any new species found in that record can change things drasticly, and the record may never be complete. Well then... should we NOT teach Evolution just because it's only a theory?  |
Date: 11/27/2002 11:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Stasis -- This field of observation studies the fact that most animals have remained the same, despite millions of years of time to evolve. Many fossils from older rocks, when compared to their modern counterparts, are often identical in form. Not one type of change into another has ever been recorded, yet evolution is regarded in most circles as fact.
In fact, science has advanced to the point that almost all secular scientists have completely abandoned "Darwinian" evolution in favor of "rapid mutation", "radial symmetry", "punctuated equilibrium", or variations of this far-out theory. It is the only explanation (in their minds) for the complete lack of fossil evidence (despite literally millions of discovered fossils) of any specie changing into another. There is no such thing as macro-evolution. Micro-evolution, however, is very possible and is in fact explained in the Bible. "...all their "kinds" and all their variations." In other words, species adapt, sometimes quite quickly. However, a finch is still a finch (irony intended) after adapting. A lizard is still a lizard and a monkey is still a monkey ! Charles Darwin himself summed it up best in his "book." "Noting the abundance of fossils, numerous transitionals must be found to prove my theory." Enough said !
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Date: 11/27/2002 12:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Yes FB. You just HAD to make a comment that I could agree with, eh? :p There is ample evidence in the fossil record that a horse is a horse and has always been a horse but maybe a change in size has occured or minor variations such as that. If you look at a horse now and you look at the horse that owned the oldest known fossilized skeletal remains you wouldn't see much difference. Ditto for plantlife. A maple tree has always been a maple tree and was not the offspring of a love affair between, say, a weeping willow and a birch. The fact remains, however, that we do not know where we came from. Science has not proven it. Some aspects of evolution seem to ring true. But as a whole it is lacking. Creationism is a whole other bag of bones. Try to imagine this: People around the time that the Bible was thrown together did not have the grasp on knowledge that your average joe has today. Your typical male was more concerned with procreating to keep the bloodline alive, feeding his family, and making sure they are prepared enough for when he dies at the ripe old age of 30-40. He did not know about the sciences, the maths, the literary arts, other arts, law, business and economics...etc. He knew the religious traditions of whatever faith he followed. His education was from the spiritual leaders of his community. Now, say someone came and had a message, a big one, about how he should conduct yourself and what mankind could expect in the future, and most importantly, where did he and his countrymen and those in foreign lands come from. If that messenger was Darwin, good luck. That poor man could not grasp that concept. Big Bang? Forget it, over the head. Prehistoric man? Whassat? God creating everything and anything? Now we're talkin'. He has a god, his god is powerful. He could see that happening. So, if you can fit a story into religious context it matters little if he knows the truth in its basic form, so long as he knows that SOMETHING put us here and that something big is going to happen. Give his god or a similar god the credit and he's good to go. Nature doesn't have feelings and won't mind being stiffed for credit of its doings. Throw in some basic human common courtesy clauses and bam!...We have a semi-informed decent individual... |
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Date: 11/27/2002 12:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 53500
*feeling the loss* |
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Date: 11/27/2002 12:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Gally< LOL, the fact is science hasn't proven it as you say. Nor can they. Thus the reason why evolution is theory and NOT fact as SOME would TRY to have us believe. |
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Date: 11/27/2002 1:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
It absolutely IS a theory. Did I not reference it as being a theory? Everyone knows that I know all that there is to know. If I call it a theory, it is just that, a theory. I did NOT state that the truth has to be one or the other. There are other possibilities as well... |
Date: 11/27/2002 1:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
I made a debate a few months ago about this. Most USMers opt for teaching it...I on the other hand say that it should be taken as an EXTRA class...and elective. As should religion. So no one if FORCED to be taught it, but if they are curious they may learn.
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Date: 11/27/2002 1:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Then you could apply that to pretty much anything, Vital Death. Then what would we have? We'd have a bunch of kids graduating from high school with majors in basket wickerweaving, French, typing, and home ec... |
Date: 11/27/2002 2:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 23367
well, i personally dont agree with that theory....i mean....sure caterpillars "evolve" into butterflies, but birds dont turn into fish..  |
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Date: 11/27/2002 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 33817
What's a platypus? A duck? No, you'll say. It's a platypus, silly. Yes, everything is what we've labelled it. You creationists are the world champions of pointing out the painfully obvious, then immediately ignoring it. |
