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Date: 11/28/2002 4:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 23731
Thank you so much for posting this, it is just an urban legend. ![]() |
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Date: 11/28/2002 5:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 55499
Wow!!! Cool post!!! The Arttist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![]() |
Date: 11/28/2002 5:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you! ![]() |
Date: 11/28/2002 6:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 59385
yuor so right people fear what they dont understand they read the holy bible and thats it no reading on satanic ways.people are afraid of knowledge.they accept the bible blindly its like a one sided court case.but as the famous line goes ignorance is bliss m a satanist defender bwecause ive done it and read evrtything on it and participated so i know ![]() |
Date: 11/28/2002 6:50:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I understand White Dragon. People DO fear what they do not understand. The Bible "tells" them what "God" will, and will not allow, based on the intrepretations of other men, who indeed had political motivation. I would STILL like to hear from anyone who has actually SEEN Satan, not the mythical Satan's works, (like a "look in someones eyes" etc........) ![]() |
Date: 11/28/2002 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
I think your right.. I have nothing to debate here. But I do have to say people who beleive in God havent seen him (well a majority of them anyway). Love, ![]() |
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Date: 11/28/2002 8:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
Well why don't you guys tell us about the wonderful experiences you've had with satanism? -Chi-Girl ![]() |
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Date: 11/28/2002 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
I think this post is the real urban legend. -Chi-Girl ![]() |
Date: 11/28/2002 8:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I disagree with this post and be sure and tell those that have been abused by satanic/devil worshippers that this is not true. ![]() |
Date: 11/28/2002 9:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Besides there is a great difference between satanic worshippers of today and those that were the orginal ones. ![]() |
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Date: 11/28/2002 9:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
actually, if you go to http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc44406/smwane/main.htm you will find the information on some of the most famous contributors to "satanic-panic", and the specifics of how their stories were proven to be lies. The site also includes the McMartin case, and a few others. Mike Warnke (THE SATAN SELLERS) has been proven to be a liar & a fake. You might be interested to read about the facts, in the face of the scare tactics. Glad you stopped by ![]() |
Date: 11/28/2002 9:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
If there is any sort of superior being on this earth, or inferior as you are asking, how come none of us have actually seen them? And if you say you have, then why do I not believe it? Religious questions are quite personal and have nothing to do with you or me other than what we personally believe-no matter what the religion. ![]() |
Date: 11/29/2002 8:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Yes I've heard that Mike Warnke made the whole thing up but that is not to say that others have. I dont think that one should discount all stories just because a few have not been truthful. ![]() |
Date: 11/29/2002 8:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Besides anyone can make a web site of those that may have lied about it. ![]() |
Date: 11/29/2002 9:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
My additonal responses were going to be too long so I made my own post. Thank you ![]() |
| Date: 11/29/2002 9:39:00 AM From Authorid: 37354 Chi-Girl, unfortunately my wonderful experiences with satanism are not G-rated.(; Hugo |
Date: 11/29/2002 4:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 46266
In response to your two simple questions: 1)Through the grapevine. 2)Apparently Jesus saw Satan in the wilderness. ![]() |
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Date: 11/29/2002 8:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
From the Phoenix Gazette 24 June, 1989 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCAPEGOAT: Satanism scare is mostly hype, expert on cults says by Michelle Bearden Judging by Satan's popularity in news accounts and police reports these days, you'd think Satan had been elected to Congress or won the Pulitzer Prize. But it's not true, says J. Gordon Melton, director of the Institute for the Study of American Religion in Santa Barbara, Calif. and one of the country's leading experts on cults. In fact, there is no suge at all in Satan's popularity. "The only surge we're seeing is the spread if mis-information," Melton says. "Malicious, suspicious, and ritualistic acts are being attributed to satanism, and people are buying into it." Melton has launched a one-man crusade to get what he considers the truth out to the public. Using an extensive survey he completed in 1986 as his guide - "The Evidences of Satan in Contemporary America" - Melton makes his case frequently before groups and in interviews. Most misinformation regarding satanism comes out of police agencies, Melton maintains. That's because, in the absence of true satanic groups, law officials have to blame "something concrete," he says. "What we've got is creation of imagination, paranoia, and general ignorance," Melton says. "We've got wild speculation and jumps in logic. What we don't have is the truth." "One story perpetuates another, and, before long, 'experts' in police departments are conductng seminars on a topic they don't really understand." At the Phoenix Police Department, police spokesman Andy Hill says the agency analyzes every incident that has satanic overtones. He blames a majority of these crimes on "kids caught up in experimentation." "It's safe to say that most of it isn't hard-core. We're usually dealing with copycat crimes," he says. " I wouldn't consider satanism a big problem here in Phoenix. We know it exists, but it's more underground than anything else." According to Melton, only three established satanic cults exist: The Church of Satan, a San Fransisco based group headed by founder Anton LaVey; a splinter group, the Temple of Set, also in San Fransisco and headed by Michael Aquino; and the Church of Satanic Liberation in New Haven, Conn., led by Paul Douglas Valentine. Total membership in all three groups is "probably less than 3,000," Melton says. Those followers are the true satanists, and their numbers haven't varied much in the last two decades, he says. Many of the acts blamed on satanism are committed by teen-agers who are bound together by drugs and violence rather than demons. While they may use satanic imagery in their deeds, Melton says they are "play- acting" the role of worshipping the Prince of Darkness. "It's true we're hearing a lot of satanic referneces in today's music, but that's pure commercialism," he says. "Just because your teenagergets wrapped up in certain rock'n'roll doesn't mean he's into the occult." Some of the conclusions that support Melton's studies to combat the theory of international satanic conspiracy include: * The existence of a large number of nonconventional religions that have nothing to do with occultism, much less satanism. * The growth of Witchcraft as a new religion and how it is confused with satanism. Melton labels contemporary Wicca as a nature religion that places great emphasis upon the preservation of life and non- violence. * Reports of cattle mutilations, which ignore the facts that most are mistaken observations of predator damage. * The dicovery of common symbols, such as an inverted cross, pentagrams, and bloody altars, which lead investigators to conclude that satanic activity has taken place. However, no evidence of any conspiracy involving the kidnapping and transportation of children for ritual purposes has emerged. * Fantasies of people who make "confessions" of their involvement on satanic cults. Typically, they cannot supply independent corroboration of the stories. Moreover, a good portion of the mis-information on satanism - which Melton says is really a "parody of religion" - comes out of evangelical Christian publishing houses. With that bias, "it's easy to see how misinformation breeds," he says. Melton contends that open satanic groups pose no public threat. If there is cause for concern, it would be the small, ephemeral satanic groups, mostly consisting of young adults or teenagers and possibly led by psychopaths or sociopaths. "These are the groups that cause immediate danger to themselves and society at large. That's where police should be concentrating their efforts," he says. "In the meantime, we've got to get out of this satanic mentality and get our labels straight ![]() |
Date: 12/1/2002 10:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
So what I hear you saying is that there are some basis for these stories though not to the extent that certain "control" groups (i.e., police, media, religion), perpetuate on a fodder-fed public. And if that is what you're saying I totally agree. Because in my estimation, Satan is not some "monster/creature", but a entity that is engaged in a design to try to harness God's Power as their own. And I have been reading all about it at this site. God Bless. ![]() |
Date: 12/1/2002 1:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 57054
how can you prove that people have seen jesus... or god... or the contrast to satan... whatever you wanna call it. ![]() |
Date: 12/1/2002 1:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
actually, I cannot. I have to take their word(s) for it. ![]() |
Date: 12/3/2002 2:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 31275
Yeah, I think some people are so completely in love with the idea of some dark mysterious, secret cult, sacrificing babys...that they don't want to give up on the idea. The people who take this obssession too far are the ones who really end up killing people. ![]() |
Date: 12/3/2002 2:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 31275
HOW can you prove anyone saw god, jesus, satan, santa clause, or the tooth fairy..? you can't... ![]() |
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Date: 1/17/2003 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 27161
the reason no one has seen satan is becasue it was a fairytale creature created by the christian church to keep the sheep form straying from the flock and to keep the money flowing as rev. lavey has said, satan has been the best friend the church has ever had as he has kept them in bussiness all these years HAIL SATAN ![]() |
Date: 1/30/2003 9:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
LOL-I agree. I believe the church created Satan to frighten people, and keep people submissive by playing on their worst fears. But, that is my opinion. ![]() |
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