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holy bible or gibberish in a book?

  Author:  55009  Category:(Debate) Created:(12/16/2002 2:36:00 PM)
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as i have said in my other religion based debate i do not wish to offend anyones beliefs i only want to know everyones opinions so that we can grow as a whole and be closer.

what if the bible was just wrote by a group of fishermen or sheep herders that needed something to believe in. unless i am mistaken they haven't found any real proof of god or jesus ever existing so what if that is true that a bunch of sheep herders or fisherman wrote it. i don't mean to offend anyone so don't take it the wrong way. so what do you guys think... could the bible have been written by fisherman and sheep herders or what not?

thanks for your replies, Josh G

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Date: 12/16/2002 2:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 60018    I think that there is truth in the bible but I also believe that it contridicts itself in many ways at the same time.  
Date: 12/16/2002 2:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 50193    The thing is none of us know for sure with is correct, and we never will.  
Date: 12/16/2002 2:47:00 PM  From Authorid: 50193    It's all about faith. You have to believe (or not believe) dispite the lack of proof.  
Date: 12/16/2002 3:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    I have said many times before that I believe that the Bible contains much good. There are messages of great wisdom and love to be found in the Bible and there are messages that can offer solace and guidance for those seeking to find spiritual growth. However, I do not believe the Bible is 100% true or factual but rather is man's attempt at best defining his history, culture, society, and belief in something that is beyond our finite comprehension. I also believe that man has had a hand at manipulating and altering many of the original writings for an agenda that was purely political. But as in anything....you can use it for the positive or for the negative. You can make of it what you wish. Some will use it to learn love, compassion, mercy and forgiveness. Other's will use it to judge or ostracize others in an attempt to elevate themselves above others. It is purely up to the individual. Just as it is in so many other great spiritual writings of many different religious beliefs.  
Date: 12/16/2002 3:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 49150    Whether the bible is all or partially true, for the most part, it is an excellent guide in which to mold one's life by.  
Date: 12/16/2002 3:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 34814    I believe if someone wants to live a controlled life and live on faith then the Bible is for them. As for me I am just not into believing it cause of the contradictions..lies and control. To many people die over that book. It is a pity. Go to www.skepticsannotatedbible.com..There you can read up on the Bibles Lies..Flaws and contradictions and form your own ideas. After the research I did all over on the Bible..I can't believe people buy this. Anyways hope you find some answers.  
Date: 12/16/2002 4:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 15675    I dont believe the bible was straight from gods hand, i mean sure it can help people in their daily lives and thats good, its just when people go out trying to interpet it that theres problems!  
Date: 12/16/2002 4:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 13897    heheehhe what if it wasn't even supposed to be believed? what if it was like a story? a novel of some sort? just a story that was really popular? =)  
Date: 12/16/2002 4:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 17014    As long as you have faith, you don't need a religion. The Bible is a historical document- the prophecies are true to word as handed down, but the whole God, Jesus, Lord thing just doesn't fly with me.  
Date: 12/16/2002 5:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 17014    Well said Lady NYX. :) *Bravo*  
Date: 12/16/2002 8:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 54071    well if the bible was just written by some fishermen and sheep herders, it isn't just jibberish, because it has alot of good points and shows a good way of living, from tips on health to just alot of other stuff... that's how I see it. Doesn't matter who wrote it, i just think of it as a book that has lots of knowledge in it. and also of proof, well so I have heard they might have found proof there might actually be jesus. Because some person owns this grave box, and there is an inscription in it in americ(forgot the language, oops) of "Brother of jesus, son of joseph". and people have dated the wood or whatever back to the same time as jesus.. so there might be proof, just have to wait and see.
Date: 12/17/2002 7:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 59163    54071, they proved the box a fake a long time ago. it was carved of stone. *dagon*  
Date: 12/17/2002 7:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 54111    I believe the bible and Jesus. No it didn't come from Gods hand. God was in them when they wrote it. I don't knock your views but one day maybe soon. You will see for yourself. Jesus lives. Bigdadi9  
Date: 12/17/2002 7:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    What's wrong with fisherman and sheep herders? What does it matter what one's occupation is? If they had personal proof of God's existance (as I do) what does it matter whether they were fishermen or sheep herders? Or goat herders for that matter. . . God Bless.  
Date: 12/17/2002 11:34:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 55009    nothing is wrong with their jobs and just because something good happens and someone says it was an act of god doesn't mean that there is one... you may have mental proof but i doubt that there is scientific proof that he/she exists. beliefs are all well and good but maybe if you believe too much you just condem yourself, but having an idea is better? no effence to anyone of course.  
Date: 12/17/2002 1:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    The way I see it, is that a SUPREME Entity; an ALL-POWERFUL, ALL-KNOWING God, WOULD KNOW that future generations would wonder, would question, would probe, and WANT some kind of PROOF.......and............this GOD or All KNOWING Supreme being, WOULD most definitely make sure that none of the words were contradictory; that it was laid down EXACTLY, PRECISELY, in terms that would be UNIVERSAL in nature; easily, clearly understood by ALL. There would be overwhelming evidence of the authenticity. There ISN'T. NO WAY, was this book "inspired". It doesn't matter WHO wrote it; but it was written in a time when EVERYONE was superstitious; EVERYONE had many gods; and believed in seers, fortunetellers, miracles, and they knew nothing about the Universe, or Science and Biology. All of the Biblical tales and stories, and parables, and characters.....all....WERE gleaned, and or stolen from other cultures, other peoples and their MYTHS and legends.  
Date: 12/17/2002 6:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    What if it wasnt I think is the biggest question here. This is something YOU will have to figure out for yourself. Personally, the bible is the word of God. I believe it, what you do with it is up to you.  
Date: 12/17/2002 7:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    THERE is overwhelming evidence its just some are too blind to see it. Thinker of Course goes NOT believe in God, but I think she wants to take over the seat next to His as already she is acting like the wife saying WHAT GOD WOULD DO and WOULD NOT DO, heck I think she has more faith then some christians.  
Date: 12/17/2002 8:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 11240    Of course God Knew, and Knows, how we would all treat the Bible today. What wonderful discourse we all have over it! What a clever way to get people talking (communing). Why wouldn't THAT be a part of His Plan? God Bless.  
Date: 12/17/2002 9:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 61763    Some of the so-called "Just" and "Righteous" people in the Bible turn out to do some sick things.  
Date: 12/18/2002 5:56:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    Don't we all???? God Bless.  
Date: 1/5/2003 6:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 27950    I agree 61763....the passage concerning Lot and his daughters.....great family values going on there.I also enjoyed this:
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Lev.12:5
12:2
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.

12:3
And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

12:4
And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled.

Lev.12:2,4
12:5
But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.

12:6
And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:

12:7
Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This is the law for her that hath born a male or a female.

12:8
And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.
So a woman having a child is not only sinful but unclean and must offer some sort of sacrifice for her sin of bearing a child????
God created both male and female correct?? So if he created us the way we are, and what happens to us is natural and by him, does that mean he sinned by creating us the way we are???????
  
Date: 1/5/2003 6:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 27950    I have another that really blew my mind!!!!
ok scenerio: Adam and Eve had two sons Cain and Able, now at this time there are only 4 people on the entire earth....Cain slew Able, Cain was then worried about being killed himself so god marked him so he would not be killed...killed by who!?! his mother, father?? so off Cain goes and meets his WIFE!?!?!?! Where did she come from???? And the rest is really unbelievable because:
he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Gen.5:21
4:18
And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

4:20
And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.

4:21
And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

4:22
And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Ok...where did these people come from??????
  
Date: 1/5/2003 6:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 27950    Sorry: correct spelling: Abel  
Date: 1/5/2003 11:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 61763    Another thing the Bible is only against Parent-Child incest not Brother-Sister incest.  
Date: 1/6/2003 8:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    The Bible does not claim that there were not other "humanoid" beings around during Adam and Eve's lifetime. What it claims is that they were the first, what I believe science would term, homosapiens. Any reference to any rituals taking place AT THAT TIME in human history, IMHO, has to do with God making sure His Plan is carried out with regard to the healthiness of those people whom He Has Constructed a certain bloodline. God Bless.  

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