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Is what Bush doing really wrong.

  Author:  16538  Category:(Debate) Created:(1/27/2003 6:43:00 PM)
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The d*mning of Saddam By Robin Gedye, Toby Harnden in Washington and Toby Helm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/28/wirq28.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/01/28/ixnewstop.html

Hans Blix, the chief United Nations weapons inspector, stated unequivocally last night that Saddam Hussein had failed to disarm, greatly strengthening the American and British case for war.

His report to the UN Security Council about his inspectors' work in Iraq over the past 60 days gave an unexpectedly critical appraisal of Iraq's failure to comply fully with UN resolutions to disarm and actively co-operate.



He made plain that he believed Baghdad still possessed biological and chemical weapons and rockets in flagrant violation of international agreements.

Its testing of missiles with a range of more than 90 miles could be "prima facie" evidence that it had weapons banned by the UN, he said.

"So far Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the disarmament that was demanded of it," Mr Blix said.

President George W Bush's advisers seized on the report as powerful condemnation of Iraq, making it essential that the UN act to enforce the resolutions Saddam had flouted. But Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, led calls for the inspectors to be given more time.

John Negroponte, America's ambassador to the UN, said the chances of avoiding war were slim.

"Unfortunately, nothing we have heard today gives us hope that Iraq intends to fully comply with resolution 1441 or any of the 16 resolutions that preceded it over the last 12 years," he said.

"When a country has determined that it will voluntarily disarm, inspections are a means to an end. They cannot be expected to achieve disarmament when a country has an active programme of denial and deception, as is the case with Iraq."

Mr Negroponte listed areas in which Saddam had failed to comply: a "revealingly inaccurate" weapons declaration; the discovery of 12 empty chemical warheads; the hiding of documents; and the refusal to allow spy flights by U-2 aircraft.

Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, said the report showed that Iraq had fobbed off the UN with "empty claims, empty declarations and empty gestures".

Baghdad had little time left to "turn on the lights and come clean".

The UN inspectors are likely to remain in Iraq for several weeks, or at least until Mr Blix's next report on St Valentine's Day, but there can be little doubt that America is now intent on war.

It is possible that yet another very tight deadline may be set. But that would be a way of facilitating the diplomatic and military preparations for war rather than a serious attempt to avoid it.

Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, speaking after a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels, said the report showed "clear evidence that Saddam Hussein is . . . practising concealment".

In recognition of Franco-German opposition to war, he conceded that "further and careful digestion of what the inspectors have said" would be needed before a decision were taken on the next steps.

Downing Street insisted earlier that it was not necessary for weapons inspectors to find a "smoking gun" before military action were launched.

The Prime Minister's official spokesman said that failure to co-operate fully with inspectors amounted to a material breach of the UN's demands.

This represented a shift of tone from a fortnight ago, when Mr Blair, under strong pressure from Labour MPs to justify a war, hinted strongly that, given sufficient time, the inspectors would find the necessary evidence.

Whitehall insiders concede that Mr Blair made a tactical error by stating that the inspectors would quickly uncover evidence incriminating enough to convince sceptical nations and the British public of the need to disarm Saddam by force. With Mr Bush determined to force the pace and impatient with the United Nations process, the Prime Minister is instead switching his emphasis to Saddam's history of non-compliance with UN resolutions.

Jeremy Greenstock, Britain's ambassador to the UN, sounded a more cautious note when he said that tomorrow's Security Council deliberations on Iraqi disarmament "would not necessarily be conclusive".

He said: "Most members of the Security Council, if not all, regard this as a part of a continuing process."

European foreign ministers issued a statement in Brussels expressing their concern about the situation in Iraq and calling on Baghdad to "ensure full and immediate compliance with all relevant UN resolutions".



The link provided has a report of the missing items. But I'd like to know is what the Bush adminastartion is doing really wrong? I mean what was that thing that happened after we let germany continue making weapons after WW1?

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Date: 1/27/2003 6:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    Heck, yeah.  
Date: 1/27/2003 7:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 61901    Maybe yes maybe no.... France,Russia,Germany and North Korea is selling Iraq Military Equipment(This includes weapons) Not to mention chemicals used to make pestacides... So you tell me is Bush doing the wrong thing. How about those countries who are helping to build Iraq's war machine? RangerX  
Date: 1/27/2003 7:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 47699    George W. Bush is THE MAN. Those morons are going to reget that they ever heard his name and that they messed with the USA. After we turn those countries into parking lots, they'll be a whole lot more useful than they are right now. I'm sorry but I'm going to be ready to pounce on the first person who even hints at the fact that this might involve oil in some way and greedily suck the blood from their jugular vein.  
Date: 1/27/2003 7:35:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    I don't see how people can still really say Bush is doing it for Oil. I mean this is coming from Hans Blix the leader of the UN (UN meaning all countries agree)led inspections that Republicans tottaly didn't want leading the inspections.  
Date: 1/27/2003 7:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 47699    Big Tex, I agree with you. This has absolutely nothing to do with oil and it makes me sick when anyone even hints that it might. It's early yet. All of that nonsensical bull...whatever...will come sliming it's way through here eventually.  
Date: 1/27/2003 7:40:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Yah and notice how nobody whined when Clinton wen't into Kosovo?  
Date: 1/27/2003 7:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    Ever wonder how the U.S. supposedly knows that Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction" and biological agents? The United states had a hand in helping them to attain them during the Iraq-Iran war. The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as Anthrax and Bubonic Plague. We also helped to supply cluster bombs to Iraq...not even openly...but through a Chilean front company. It seems that the U.S. created their own monster in attempting to help Iraq win their war against Iran....and now we want accuse them of being and "axis of evil" for having the very things that we help them to attain.  
Date: 1/27/2003 7:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    I created a post regarding the United States role in aiding in the buildup of Iran....if you want to read it....it is at ... http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm318614.html  
Date: 1/27/2003 8:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    ...its not about Oil...but you can bet Oil WILL be a nice cherry on the top of the cake when its all said and done...  
Date: 1/27/2003 8:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    Bush has the right idea and the world knows it. they are using it like a poker game though, the Germans, French, and Russians want American investment in their collective economies, the n. koreans know the war in Iraq is inevidable to the point they dissclosed thier nuclear program in hopes an intelligence share would win then international favor with the US. Right now the calls are in soon enough the hands will all be played out and the only loser seems to be the regime in Iraq, not the people of Iraq, name one country we put through regime change that isn't better off afterwards?  
Date: 1/27/2003 8:42:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Yah and Im not saying we wont get oil and as soon as we secure it I think it will help the economy stay steady without the threat of oil prices going up.  
Date: 1/27/2003 8:44:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    And also some people dont relise this but the reason we didnt attack North Korea first is they have admitted having nukes Iraq has it. The people we should be the most afraid of are the people that have it and say they dont.  
Date: 1/28/2003 5:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    i think its wrong just because it can be solved easily KILL THE HUSSEIN FAMILY and also the holocause didnt come out of WW1 last time i checked hitler did time after WW1  
Date: 1/28/2003 5:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    and also going in alone like bush plans its gonna kill us internationally  
Date: 1/28/2003 5:59:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    We are going to kill Hussein it would cause just as much of a backlash if we assasinated him.  
Date: 1/28/2003 7:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    big tex its funny you say that seems how his military wanted him out after the gulf war but the US "doesnt work that way"  
Date: 1/28/2003 8:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    I kinda figured this was a Big Tex post. LOL. Did anybody watch that speech tonight that he gave? I don't agree w/ what Bush is doing.  
Date: 1/28/2003 8:45:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    See I apreciate that Blood instead of calling names or making up things you have a simple answer that didnt make me mad lol.  
Date: 1/29/2003 8:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    The fact that indeed we were allied with Iraq during the Iran Iraq war and helped build their military at that time is; Irrelevant, and offers no justification for any opinion one way or the other. In the past we have been allied with, The Soviet Union WWII, Japan prior to WWII and now after, we supplied military help to China, North Korea, and scores of others. Some relationships have worked out and some have turned against us. It's not about having weapons, it's about intent, and it's about complying with a 12 year old UN Mandate that the previous administration ignored. Perhaps we should just sit on our hands until we see the mushroom cloud over Washington (don't talk about missles you can put a nuke in the trunk of a car) or Nerve gas in a New York subway.  
Date: 1/29/2003 1:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 57225    war is never right  
Date: 1/29/2003 2:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    but bcar how do you know attacking him wont trigger the nuke attack  
Date: 1/29/2003 3:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 2030    You don't, but you do know that if he's defeated and disarmed you've stopped it.  
Date: 1/29/2003 5:03:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    HE doesn't have ICBM's he doesnt pose a threat to the US homeland. And its better to have his nuke go off on his land. If he nuked his own land he'd be dead nobody would support him and Saddam doesn't want to die.  
Date: 1/29/2003 5:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    so then thats completely contradictory,if he doesnt pose a threat why are we attacking  
Date: 1/29/2003 6:31:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    He doesnt pose a completely direct threat to the US but he funds terrorist groups gassed his own people and is a threat to the world not just us.  
Date: 1/29/2003 6:33:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Jestr you are running out of reasons on your Bush is curropt theory huh?  
Date: 1/29/2003 7:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    WE FUND TERRORIST anyone in direct link with the muslim religon funds terrorism because thats the reason there commiting this crap for there religon,not to mention him gassing his own people is not OUR concern, nobody stepped in when the white man slaughtered indians by the 1000's  
Date: 1/29/2003 9:06:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Its not our concern those people are defenseless you are calling the goverment curropt and you dont want to help innocent people that die?  
Date: 1/29/2003 9:06:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    And we fund terrorism thats absolutely nonsense Jestr and you know that.  
Date: 1/29/2003 9:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    big tex also you buy oil dont you? where do we get the oil from? yeah case closed,as for innocent people dying why is the government worried about another countries and not our own?  
Date: 1/29/2003 9:41:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Oh God that! A small small fraction of oil profits go to terrorists. They recieve more money from marijuana and stealing credit cards and faraud. So guess what case isn't closed sorry kid.
Because the goverment isn't completely curropt and helps promote world peace the same reason we have to police and give for and finnacial aid to every country.
  
Date: 1/29/2003 9:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    um big tex that small fraction still is a fraction also last time i checked it was opium that is highly used in afghanistan, oh and one more thing what does the FBI do with all the weed they get?  
Date: 1/29/2003 9:51:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Oh you know them being so curropt they sell it smoke it give it to terrorists. And I guess terrorists are going to have a tougher time getting bucks after where finished with the middle east.  
Date: 1/30/2003 10:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    We buy over 70% of our imported oil from Canada and Mexico. Hot beds of terror that they are. Bin Laden's family made their money in real estate developement and construction. The threat of Iraqi nuclear weapons to the US is from bombs smuggled into the US not from missles of course.  
Date: 1/30/2003 8:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    like 15% of the people i know that sell get some of there stuff from fbi agents,whats the tell ya  
Date: 1/30/2003 9:23:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Oh yah thats a good source man drug dealers you expect us to believe that? Besides you said you only believe if you see it with your own eyes.  
Date: 1/31/2003 10:30:00 AM  From Authorid: 22080    lol big tex i dont tell you the stuff i do for the most part because you use it to make it seem like im some lil law breaking punk,which is not the case i just know people that are  
Date: 1/31/2003 10:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 22080    and also you think drug dealers are untrustworthy well your right but the ones that i know i have grown up with and i would trust them with my life cause i know they always have my back but you dont even know what the FBI does with the weed so you have no point  
Date: 2/1/2003 10:09:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    Whatever you say your talking about drug dealers. I'm not really going to argue with you about how bad of "friends" you have because it really shows for myself. And Im sure there are FBI agents that do sell weed but not on the wide scale that you say. And what kind of eniviroment are you hanging out it? Take my advice and get some new friends.  
Date: 2/1/2003 10:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 22080    big tex im just curious,would you drop someone you grew up with? someone whos like a brother to you? ive known these people for like ever and im pretty sure they wouldnt lie to me  
Date: 2/1/2003 10:31:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    There drug dealers! Look at the lifestyle they live. I have grown up with people that will flat out lie to me not because they don't like me but because thats how they grew up.  
Date: 2/1/2003 4:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    big tex theres a difference between drug dealers and weed dealers atleast real ones,weed dealers are binded by a strict code i.e. no ratting etc  
Date: 2/1/2003 11:44:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    What are you talking about? A dealer is a dealer no arguement abou that.  
Date: 2/2/2003 11:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 22080    dude big tex no disrespect but theres a difference,when you grow up around it you can tell but enough of my personal life  
Date: 2/3/2003 9:52:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16538    So ignorance is really bliss huh Jestr?  

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