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| Date: 2/13/2003 8:29:00 PM From Authorid: 54335 i agree completly, good point |
Date: 2/13/2003 8:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 3648
I don't believe God cares what we wear....you're right he sees our hearts!!! A pure heart is all that is needed not clothes geez some ppl really can be mean....to judge a person on clothes alone.  |
Date: 2/13/2003 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 53427
Hmm I see both sides of this. On one hand its a matter of respect. When people go to Gods house they like to wear their best clothes not necessarily trying to show off but because its just that you are trying to be your best. But then again, even if you showed up in tattered blue jeans or whatever, God wouldn't love you any less.  |
Date: 2/13/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Sorry, but I don't see the correlation of the word "tightwad", with rules or dress codes?? MY definition of a tightwad is one who is very stingy/tight with their money.  |
Date: 2/13/2003 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 5301
...perhaps a lot of "tightwad" Christians buy decent clothing at Goodwill stores?  |
Date: 2/13/2003 8:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 3648
lol@Hekler  |
Date: 2/13/2003 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 53961
IMHO, dressing up for God and His house shows respect to Him. It is He that I choose to please and praise. It's not too much to ask. As for being "tightwad Christian", the majority of my clothes come from thrift shops, people have given them to me or I have had them so long I have forgotten where I got them.  |
Date: 2/13/2003 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
lmbo @ Hekler!  |
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Date: 2/13/2003 9:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 53961
Maybe instead of "tight wad" you should use the words "close minded". Tight wad relates to money and the hording or saving of it. |
| Date: 2/13/2003 10:19:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53683 i mean a tight wad as anyone who sees anything as (Not the way they would do it) |
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Date: 2/13/2003 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 5301
...you meant a cramped S? |
| Date: 2/13/2003 10:29:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53683 This isnt about our views of the word tight wad. Why do humans think that we have the right to say whats dressed up according to God. It goes further than clothes. Its the fact that we dont have the right to make someone feel out of place in a church. Catholics in particular dont realize how many people that they push away because they look differently. I have several friends that dont even believe in God anymore because of twisted rules of the church. They think that God judges them for things that are material. |
Date: 2/13/2003 10:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
If the rules of a denomination are twisted, then rely on God's Word to get you on the straight path. If your friends are listening to what someone else is teaching without comparing it to what God's Word teaches, then they are putting to much faith in mere man.  |
Date: 2/13/2003 11:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
I think my post: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm324380.html answrs this question best. HUGS,  |
Date: 2/14/2003 3:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 10798
Nobody should ever be turned away from church, and Christians should never make anybody feel unwelcome..for any reason. And, sometimes young Christians still might wear or do some things that God hasn't dealt with them about, yet. That will come later. As I said on the other post, I set higher standards for myself, and I feel I need to dress up to come to church, especially on Sunday morning. But, if others don't, then we should not be critical. However, I say emphatically that those who profess to be Christians and want to be a light to others should dress modestly. God expects His children to walk before Him in the beauty of holiness.  |
Date: 2/14/2003 6:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 61901
Some people at my chruch wear shorts and Tee shirts. Some of the older men wear BibOveralls. Our Pastor wears western style suits. Some have long hair some dont. If christians judge others by what they wear to chruch. Then...... Come join my chruch, cause the pastors son is Goth and his daughter is a prep.  |
| Date: 2/14/2003 8:48:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53683 my friend wears a lot of black and has a lot of peircings she doesnt look like a prostitute or anything but she is strange looking but when shes opens her mouth you are floored by her faith |
Date: 2/14/2003 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 61987
For those of us who profess Jesus Christ as LORD and SAVIOUR, YES! He definitely cares about how we dress. Scripture says, "Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit". When we "trash" our bodies, we're trashing the temple of the Holy Spirit. When we sin against our bodies, we're sinning against God. We were ALL bought at a price. The blood of Jesus. He gave his life for us so that we MAY be saved FROM OUR SINS!! The penalty for sin is death (Romans 6 3). If He did that for us, so we ought to pay homage and respect to HIM who saved US! When we respect and honor our bodies, so we also do likewise onto Him who saved us."Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom yor have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. 1 Corinthians 6:19,20 The issue concerning the unbeliever is not how you dress that matters, but your salvation. A personal relationship with CHRIST, JESUS!! Seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God and His rightousness, and THEN, all things things will be added unto you (Matthew 6:33) |
Date: 2/14/2003 9:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 28946
Drake, I always interpreted that to mean what we put 'into' our bodies, not on our bodies. No drugs, tannins, excessive alcohol use. Also I feel he didn't want us to have impure thoughts or break the 10 commandments. I guess this is why we do have so many beliefs and religions. I know of several long haired, tatoo'd, body pierced Christians. I still believe Heavenly Father judges us by our hearts not by our togs. We are born naked and we die.  |
Date: 2/14/2003 10:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
CLAPPING HANDS well said,,,, well said. Its not what is outside, but what is inside that counts.  |
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Date: 2/14/2003 10:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
After reading some of the replies here I feel that I must comment again. Rusure, thats right, anyone that is Gods needs to look at God and not man. Good point. What gets me are the churches that want you to become a member. I think that is a bunch of balogna, the body that I wish to be a *member* of is the body of Christ. I dont think a person should come to church with all thier *private* stuff hanging out, but then IF thats ALL the clothes they have to wear, then I'd rather see them come in wearing a halter top and short shorts, then not wanting to know about the word of God at all. Drake yes our bodies are the temple of God. It my personal belief however when reading the scriputre before that one that in this instance God is talking about sexual sin. And if you read the scriputre taken after that, once again God is talking about sexual sin. Its not what we put into our bodies that defile us, its what comes out of our mouth and our heart. Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. Matthew 15 0 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 10:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
And one more thing can be said about the use of the word tightwad. LOL, I remember when living in texas, we took in kids that no one wanted to deal with. These kids went to church with us. They didnt have the best of clothes and we sure didnt have the money to go out and buy new wardrobes for those 23 kids. But their clothes were clean , somehow this didnt matter to some of them in the congreation, they still looked down on these kids as they didn't have fancy suits or dresses to wear, they came in the same clothes they would wear to school. One kid needed new shoes badly, after church one day a lady walks up to him and says, how can you wear those shoes to church!! He told her, Mrs, they are the only shoes I have, its this or come barefooted. Well I guess her conscience got to bothering her so the next week she handed him twenty bucks to get him another pair of shoes. But I , nor he will ever forget the look of disgust on her face. God said, If you see a brother in need and you can meet that need and dont then woe unto you. So many christians that have nice clothes, nice cars, nice houses SEE the need and do nothing about it. These are the ones, that will face the judgement of God. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 10:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Sorry, this is a touchy subject with me. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 10:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
FB..I know what you mean but I don't think too many Americans have such a scant wardrobe which consists of nothing more than halter tops and short shorts. I think almost everyone has enough knowledge of God and His holiness to realize that we are not pleasing unto Him if we go before Him in scanty clothing.. It is true that God looks at the heart and not at our fancy clothing but as I said before..It's not so much what we wear as long as it is decent. God expects us to be decent people. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 11:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
FB..Now that would really get to me. I also have have seen children who did not have enough clothing. If a person who has do not give to someone who do not have through no fault of their own, then that is such a wrong and such a great shame. It's so sad that some will judge others by what they have or do not have. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 11:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Rusure, certainly we should dry to dress and cover ourselves in the house of the Lord, this too is my belief, and I'm sure people have other clothes besides halter tops and short short, I'm just saying take this for an example. A girl is walking past the church, shes been up all night selling her self, for some reason she wants to enter the church she is being drawn in by the Lord, Now I dont think God or anyone else is going to say, Hey lady go change your clothes first, then come on in. When Jesus knocks on the door to our heart, time, place or clothes mean nothing. As we learn more about the bible, most of us are prone to dress with more covering upon our bodies, ya know clothes that dont look like were out picking up johns? But God is the one that should bring this to the mind of the person and He does, but sadly most people want to clean the fish before they catch the fish. We know that we should dress for church in a way not to tempt others with our flesh. But until the Lord convicts people of what they should or shouldnt wear, I dont think people should be so judgemental even if a person were to walk into the church building barefooted. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 11:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Like so many had problems with phil aguliars mininstry because the man was part of a motorcycle group. They wore there leathers to church, arrived on their motor cycles with tatoos , ear rings and God forbid they played music that was to glorify God, but not the norm, you know the old songs filled with doubt and unbelief? Song sang so slowly that they would bore a person to tears? Songs and music that certainly want making any kind of joy full noise unto the lord? I have nothing against slow anointed songs. I do have problems with people that think that is the only music that one should sing unto the lord. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 11:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
But through the minstry of phil, many were brought into the house of the Lord, into His kingdom, many homeless and hungry were taken care of. I'd much rather someone pull up to me on a motor cycle and all tatooted, long hair and ear rings to share the joy of the lord with me because its such a fire in their hearts, than have someone dress up in a suit, come to the house and wish to God they were dont with thier good deed for the day, ya know the kind, well lets get God discussed and over with so I can get back to my football game?? |
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Date: 2/14/2003 11:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
I meant to say, DONE with their good dEEDS, lol not dont. |
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Date: 2/14/2003 11:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
well got to run be back later. |
Date: 2/14/2003 3:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i see no issues in what is worn.. the only exception is.. slander against the religion  |
Date: 2/15/2003 11:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 41067
Well said Firstborn. All I have to offer is, weren't Adam and Eve created naked? Think about it. Thats meant to be God's image, maybe he/she it is naked too.  |
Date: 2/15/2003 10:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
I dont believe that God cares what we wear to church, and I understood the meaning of tightwad to mean someone who hates parting with any money...for anything...Zema  |
Date: 2/16/2003 8:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 160
I did read your comment and thought it a good one. You brought up a point about wolves in sheeps clothing or rather I think you said demonic people in religious garb. So very true, yet I do believe that you should not wear the same clothing to the grocery store or to clean house that you would wear to church. It's a simple matter of respect. We want to give our best to the Lord. It's also a matter of perspective. I'll do my best for my God and that includes wearing my best and everything else comes second to that. So when I see women wearing curlers and jeans to church I wonder if they're places of employment would accept that dress code. I seriously doubt it.  |
Date: 2/16/2003 9:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 29928
Living in Florida, I see many people in church that are wearing very casual clothing and I have never once sen anyone turned away  I agree with FB (what else is new) It's not what's on the outside, but what's on the inside that counts. When Jesus walked the earth it was in a robe and either sandals or barefoot. I was listening to Benny Hinn one day and of course, he was adorned with all his diamond rings, ect., but during his service he made the statement that Jesus would have never been caught dead staying in a Hotel 6, I beg to differ this point with this man..Jesus never new where He would sleep and never felt anything not good enough or Him, be it Him sleeping on the gound, in a barn, or staying with sinners, He was humble, with no pride, we should all take this lesson from Him , as well as all His others. He walked this earth to teach about God's love, not religion. Now there will always be hypocrits in any church, but then again they are also in movies, restaurants, and grocery stores, but does that stop anyone from going to those places? |
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Date: 2/16/2003 1:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Tandris, thanks, ,Pammierose, thanks and your comment was well said also. PammieJo, thats one thing I've never seen and that is someone wearing curlers to church. Curling irons work so much faster. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 1:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 28946
Nicely put Pammie Rose. Firstborn, when I was a young girl, there was this one lady that came to hurch sometimes with bobbypins in her hair to make those tight curls. She had a scarf over them and I overheard her telling another lady (kids can overhear many things before they get noticed),that after church she had to go to her mother in laws house out of town. She said she knew God accepted her appearance but her mother in law wouldn't. That was why she had her hair in curlers to comb out before she arrived at her in laws house. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 4:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 160
I just wanted to politely say to Pammie Rose one thing. Jesus wore sandles and robes but that was the common dress at that time. So were beards and long hair. But would Jesus have showed up in the temple wearing a belly button ring or with his tounge pierced? I don't think that he would have done that. And also remember that the religious leaders of that day wore fancy clothing to distinguish them from every one else but Jesus said that they wore white washed robes in the outside but were as bleached bones on the inside. What he meant by that was they were deceptive in spite of their religious garb and fashion. So keeping things in context, these men were phoneys in spite of their standings in the temple. Jesus said they were hypocrites and were from their father the devil. I am not saying that people should dress fashionably, just respectfully while attending religious services. Jeans and curlers should be common sence and has no place in church. But then again maybe it's what they are learning. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 4:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 160
YO! Firstborn... Long time. curlers huh? Well maybe I am showing my age. But I did see it and have heard horror stories about what women get away with in church. Persoanlly I use a blow dryer for my 'DO' |
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Date: 2/16/2003 5:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
PammyJo..This is the way I see it.."Would I wear it if I was going to meet the President? If I would be embarrassed to meet the President in what I had on, then why wouldn't I be embarrassed to wear the same clothing, jewelry, etc, before God? God is much more holier, more righteous, and more worthy than any mere human..When Adam and Eve realized they were naked, God made them clothing to cover them..Genesis 31 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. The words 'God made them coats of skins' obviously means that He didn't make them a part of short shorts and a halter.. The Bible teaches us that if a person dresses in such a way that it entices someone to lust after them, this is a sin, even if they didn't mean to entice someone. Most of the time a person who dresses scantly, dresses so to entice the opposite sex..In Proverb it speaks of forbidding women to dress like harlots. The Bible teaches us that our dress should be modest and moral. |
Date: 2/16/2003 5:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 13283
I agree with Pamy Jo , dont wear what you would wear to a club ,(store, or gym) to church . Take off all your piercing and put them back on when you leave the church . Also cover up the tattooes . Its a show of respect . Be a free spirit outside the church and NOT in it . Razzy aka ,  |
Date: 2/16/2003 5:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 44321
I say this,as long as you are there and don't have your behind hanging out then it should not matter what you are wearing.I used to go to church right after work in highschool for the Saturday mass and the priest did not like shorts,so I just sat in the way back near the confessional boxes.I told him on many occasions that as long as I was there in church God was not looking to see what I was wearing.  |
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Date: 2/16/2003 5:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 44321
I am sure this comment will not go over well but .....to me church is just one big fashion show who is better dressed than the next guy,I say big deal as long as you do not look like you belong on the street corner God is happy to see you present stop sweating the small stuff and just be happy that people are coming to services!and anyway what if people don't have dresses and nice clothes should they not come? |
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Date: 2/16/2003 5:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 28946
I agree with you Medusa. I cannot hide my piercings from God as he was there when I got them along with my tatoos. I will dress with respect to Heavenly Father and according to the times. I a have never been one to show too much body as I am a modest type. I cannot go against what my Momma taught me to dress. But if I owned nothing decent, and the urge to enter a church hit me, I would not hesitate and would hate to be turned away by a church member. Even Jesus forgave the harlot... |
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Date: 2/16/2003 5:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 44321
When I was a kid and going to church,I did not have much in the way of clothes so if it was jeans and a t-shirt that was what I had to wear on Sundays,but my mom tried to have a dress for me on Easter Sundays.I am not joking when I say this I was very self concious back then about what I had for clothes and if one person back then had made me feel bad for what I was wearing you would not have been able to drag me back in to the church.Why does this have to be such a big issue lets say for a minute here..what would the problem be if clothes were never made? look at her, her skin is not clean enough ? or would we all obsess about hair styles LOL |
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Date: 2/16/2003 5:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 160
There is going to be a news program here in my local area that is addressing the issue of how people dress when they go to court. If they are standing before a judge you would think they would have the common sence to dress appropriatly. NOT! One young woman had her red thong underware showing up over her jeans, she has piercings in her face. Her attitude was not good and she said that she would dress whatever way she wanted to. In my opinion everyone needs to understand that certain places require certain dress codes. If I want people to respect me I am not going to go to court in my red thong underware and shorts, it's just not me. And I definalty will not dress any less for my God who is the ultimate judge. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 6:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
When I was younger I didn't have a lot of clothing and the few times I went to church services I dressed decent. Nothing fancy but decent. My mother had 19 children to tend so naturally we had to sacrifice a lot. There is a big difference between dressing fancy and dressing decent.. Yes..Jesus did forgive the harlot but that's because the harlot wanted forgiveness and she repented and turned away from indecent acts. Let's suppose this harlot wore revealing clothing..If she repented then it would be safe to assume that she knew she should not wear the revealing clothing since God's Word teaches us that we should not wear such things. Medusa..I totally agree with you that in some places it seems they are putting on a fashion show, showing off their wealth and goods. It's obvious that their minds are not on practicing what God teaches. God calls such people hypocrites. He also says that if those who do have refuses to help those who do not have, then they are sinning. As for a lady of the evening working all night then suddenly one Sunday morning after working all night she decided to attend church services, I do believe that if she realized that she needed God, she would have also realized that she was not decently dressed and she would have went home and changed clothing or she would have dressed appropiately and attended the evening service. One more thing..IF I saw a person attending services dressed in indecent clothing, I and most anyone there would definitely not make her/him feel unwelcome but we would offer her/him decent clothing to wear in a kind, caring way. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 160
There's a clear difference between decent and disrespectful modes of dress. Some people know the difference but do as they please anyway. 19 children? When I read that my knees got weak. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Penny , Pammie Oh I'm sure what your saying is true as ya'll I believe and correct me if I'm wrong was basically raised in the church, I wasnt. I can only go from the past 15 years. However when I was small and did once in a while go to the mormon church, well, none of them would be caught dead in curlers, and yes, IF you were not dressed to the * T* then you were a social outcast. Penny I'm sure before the days of curling irons, one had to do that. I mean take for instance if a woman had to work to take care of her kids and it was the swing shift, bobby pins would make sure she looked good for her job, or mother in law. I see nothing wrong with bobby pins and if a mother is a working mother that doesnt own a curl iron in this day and time, well if people dont like her wearing curlers, so that her job and appearance at said job are good, tuff for them, she only has to deal with Gods opinion and not anyone else. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Sure pammy jo, the religiouse leaders did do that and what did Jesus call them? Hipocrites. As we grow in the lord we know that we do want to dress better but to frown upon anyone that might enter the doors of the house of the lord, well to me, ,Jesus wouldnt do that. He said come, he didn't say how. I dont agree with you as far as jeans in the church. Many wore jeans in our church and we were just dang glad they came to hear the word of God. remember mary and martha?? |
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Date: 2/16/2003 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Rusure, yes God does teach modest and moral, not to wear clothes that would intice, but if its a new one in the lord, that doesnt feel convicted by this at the time, they should not feel as if they are not welcome in the house of the Lord. God will deal with them in time and I dont feel people need to take on that responsibility. that was one good thing about my church, I DIDNT ever wear dresses, I went to church for the very first time in my levis and shirt. I was covered, I was clean and prasie God the people there did not shun me or I would NEVER have gone back. Jesus would not shun someone dressed as they are when they dont know to dress more modest. Give them time they will learn. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Razzy, if one cant be the same IN church as OUT of church, then they may as well not go, as I feel that that would be hiprocracy. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 9:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I mean come on people we are there to PRASIE the LORD, not see whom is wearing what. The younger ones will get it in time to cover up for modesty sake, but until then, Jesus has not put down rules so why do we?? |
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Date: 2/16/2003 9:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
and as pointed out when JESUS was alive that was another time and another place with different standards of dress. |
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Date: 2/16/2003 9:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I and most anyone there would definitely not make her/him feel unwelcome but we would offer her/him decent clothing to wear in a kind, caring way. AMEN TO YOUR WORD RUSURE and God bless you. |
Date: 2/17/2003 7:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Author-please do not be unhappy with me-I changed to wording in your post from "tightwad" to "uptight", since tightwad has a different meaning. I hope you understand-*peace*  |
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Date: 2/17/2003 7:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
and now I would like to add my thoughts on the matter. How a person dresses to attend a service, reflects many things. Their financial circumstances, their own self-esteme, and there are other things to factor in. The moment a person enters a place of worship, their mind should be focused on the spiritual matters, to be discussed. No one should be looking at a neighbor's dress & decide what is, and is not approprate church garb. If you are looking at the way a person is dressed, that is time your mind is NOT focused on the message at hand, true? I myself would like to believe that when you enter a place of worship, you would dress as if you were meeting, say, your grandparents. However, I do not believe that Supreme Powers care so much about outer wear, as they do a person's heart. That is my opinion only. *Peace* |
Date: 2/17/2003 11:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 61999
I'm a Baptist by birth but a Christian by faith and I must say that I don't CARE what anyone wears when worshiping with me. I LOVE a church that puts more emphasis on the inner faith of a person than what that person wore that day. Because my background is so into dress and church fashion, I made no friends at my church when I asked why I could not wear slacks (at least!) to the services. I mean, it's cold out and I still have to wear a skirt/dress? C'mon, a nice pair of slacks should be fine. They gave me a most feeble answer: "If we allowed the women to wear slacks, they might wear tight slacks and distract the service" (or something to that effect). But, couldn't I wear a tight skirt and acheive the same thing?? ANYWAY, if you're Christian I love you as my brother and I don't care about tattoos or political association or race or clothing. I LOVE YOU. ~The Mighty DreamGyrl~  |
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Date: 2/18/2003 1:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
well said LSG, and M dream girl, yep one can look just as juicy in a tight dress as they can a pair of slack. |
Date: 3/1/2003 3:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 44237
AMEN!!!  |
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