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Date: 3/6/2003 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
I agree wholeheartedly! I think that if you are a habitual criminal then lock you up and keep you away from honest folk. I understand that some are going to be locked away for little things but tuff patootey! don't do the crime if you don't want to do the loooooooooooooooong time!  |
Date: 3/6/2003 8:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 177
Hi, Magoo...say, wasn't that Robert Blake who said that?  |
Date: 3/6/2003 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 17014
I don't think three is good-- I think there should only be two chances. So if they screw up the first time and realize they were stupid and want to change then they have a second chance to change their lives. But if they do it twice-- they're gonna do whatever it is over and over more than likely. So i think 2 is a better number. Just my thoughts. :)  |
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Date: 3/6/2003 8:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 177
Thanks for your thoughts, Kelsey. |
Date: 3/6/2003 8:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
I agree with it I dont like people with 3 felonies walking around society obviously they cant be punished enough to be a lay abiding citizen so they should rot in jail.  |
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Date: 3/6/2003 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
I don't know, I thought I said it! :P Sorry, I honestly didn't know he said that. |
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Date: 3/6/2003 8:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
What did Robert Blake say? |
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Date: 3/6/2003 9:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
In a way I agree but on the other hand i do not. I think the three strikes for felonys should be classified in different groups. I think the lesser the felony charge that one should be able to have more of them. I know that sounds strange, like why allow them to keep messing up. but that is not what I'm thinking. There are places in this world, where there are police that will hound you to death, over little stuff, even as far as going to set up a person. I have a brother that works for the prison in investigations, and I have a brother that has been on the other side of the wall one too many times. The jail bird brother was charged with a felony for only having a pipe on him. He was also charged with a felony over a stupid bb gun, as some of the kids on the reservation started beating up his kid and shooting him with their bb gun, so he took it away from them when the cops came and because HE had a record, ,they charged him with assult and I dont know what all, but another felony. Then if you screw up or someone in your house screws up, Wham another felony. I dont know much about the hows or whys of some of the charges why there were felony instead of something less, as I dont know the laws that well, lucky for me never had to go up before the court system in that manner. But I think that some of the namby pamby stuff they have and are calling them felonies, should be something less. NOW something like, rape, stealing *which covers so many things in its self, such as armed robbery, breaking and entering, ect ect. Sure I go with the three stike thing. But the thing is some of these kids now days go down the wrong road for a while in their lives and can get three felonies in a heart beat and they dont have a chance to learn from their mistakes and there life would basically be over. I think age should be a factor in all of this.  |
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Date: 3/6/2003 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 13952
I am going to have to agree with FB on this one... while I dont want felonies to walk around I do believe that petty crimes should not go against someone as a strike...as long as the crime is not violent or hurt some one financially.....  |
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Date: 3/6/2003 9:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 177
Of course there are some felonies that are so egregious that they should (and sometimes do) bring a life-sentence, even if it is a first felony. |
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Date: 3/6/2003 9:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 177
Petty crimes should be classed as misdemeanors and not be considered felonies. |
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Date: 3/6/2003 9:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 177
Hi Big Tex: Wasn't it Robert Blake's TV character from the 70s, Baretta, who said "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time"? |
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Date: 3/6/2003 9:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 177
Hi, Firstborn. I don't think that possesing drug paraphrenalia, or small amounts of dope for personal use, should be anything more than a misdemeanor to begin with. |
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Date: 3/6/2003 10:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I agree, that is all it should be. |
Date: 3/7/2003 12:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 13897
i'm with FB on this one.. our justice system isn't as just as it should be.. or as we'd like it to be. so i think it's silly to put away some of these people when there isn't enough room in the prisons for everyone we want to put in.  |
Date: 3/7/2003 5:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 51635
While it's true that some people get raw deals from the justice system others seem to have their way with it... I do think that, since the purpose of going o jail is to be rehabilitated, if you don't learn something on your first 2 visits then the third one should be more perminant... I also think that the people in prison should be put to good use... prisons should be self suficiant, growing their own food, making their own cloths, making their own furnature, etc... some folks go to jail for the 3 hots and a cot...  |
Date: 3/7/2003 5:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 47218
if the purpose of going to prison is to be rehabilitated, then prisons are doing a really cruddy job at it. Many people come out worse criminals than they were to begin with.  |
Date: 3/7/2003 7:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
I do agree with the Three Strikes Law, but also have to state that our present laws need to be revamped in order to make it more fair. The example FB gave is clearly shows how the law can be abused. Also, if an ex-felon takes a gun from an armed criminal and uses it to stop another armed criminal, under the word of the law, he can be charged with possesssion of a firearm, as well as assault and possibly murder. That may sound far fetched, but in today's society, it is a potential reality. I also know parole officers out there that rather than trying top help their parolees, will do everything in their power to try and catch a parolee screwing up. We had one that worked for us part time, and on a lot of construction jobs, it is not unusual to see parolees working as temproary labor. This officer would confront them on the job, asking what they did, and telling them if hey screwed up he would have them back in prison. Needless to say, he does not work with us anymore. While you have some ex-felons that deserve to stay in prison, you have others that might make an honest mistake that do not deserve to go back. You also have people wearing the badge that think that badge is absolute authority that gives them the right to harass and intimidate others because of their past offenses. Some of those that enforce the law are actually no better than some of those that break the laws.  |
| Date: 3/7/2003 7:13:00 AM ( Admin-JGB ) I think that by the time ANYONE gets to three strikes, they have already pleaded out NUMEROUS offenses... IE to get to three felony convictions, they USUALLY have some ten or more offenses that should have been felonies but were pleaded down to lesser offenses... by the time they get to three strikes they should have LONG BEEN IN JAIL... imho..... and this letting any of them out after murder or sexual offenses against children, is NUTZ and I will never understand why we play games with our childrens safety... for what?? RIGHTS of those convicted?? PHulEEze!!! |
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Date: 3/7/2003 9:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
WarriorSpirit, I agree, and that is how it is in the small town in Utah. I wont name the town, but some of the cops on there are more corrupt then some of those sitting behind their bars. There have been several people that have filed complaints about these officers, and about this certain drug force team, that does NOT adhere to the law, and all I can think is the corruption must be all the way up to salt lake as they still have not been investigated. I've watched as some have been put in jail for up to one year for something that should have been a basic slap on the wrist while others that were caught with 60 pounds of pot on their possession, get two months and are back out on the street. I could give you many instances. BUT I guess in that town its who Ya know, if your parents are going to the same Mormon ward that you go to, ect ect. Jungabel I agree with sexual offences and murder, but I also KNOW that the law is NOT always fair. |
| Date: 3/7/2003 9:40:00 AM ( Admin-JGB ) **not always fair - isn't that the truth!!!! For instance, the young girl recently abducted from her home, alledgely with a man that "did his time" for the exact same thing he may be accused of now... abducting and murdering a woman he chose by cozying up at church... served his time... in time to do it again? :( YUK |
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Date: 3/7/2003 9:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Jungabel I think the sex crimes should be punished the harshest. ONE would think you would be safe, meeting someone in church, but as we know this is not true, and I really get so ticked off when people do this, like the man your talking about from church as NOT only has this woman been killed but had she lived, her spiritual life would never be the same either as she would associate all the horror, with God, with Church. I swear sometimes, and YES I know its not fair, LOL, but my husband is always saying, it should be like the old old days, one penality for all, death. I mean IF you knew that you were not going to get a big trial, that they were just going to say, well yup bubba you did it, then the last thing you hear is a gun going off, well I think that would deter a lot of people from committing crime. Right now they know they can get away with so much and then plead out on insantity or some such thing. Our system stinks. |
| Date: 3/7/2003 10:04:00 AM ( Admin-JGB ) Even to those non-religious folks it does seem extra "bad" to use the faith and good nature of people to seek your next victim :( Rotten, and we let him out!! We decided his punishment, and he did it and we let him out... yuk !!! One stike for murders, One strike for child molesters... the rest seems three strike appropriate... |
Date: 3/7/2003 1:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 61928
There will never be set rules like this. Every case is different and you can't just lock people away forever on a technicality. Although most people who have committed three felonies deserve to be in prison, there will always be some who appeal and with good reason.  |
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Date: 3/7/2003 2:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 177
Interesting dialogue. Perhaps sex-criminals should be given the choice of castration or life in prison. Of course, "disarming" the rapists may not help if the molester is driven by psychological motives. |
Date: 3/7/2003 10:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
depends on the circumstances  |
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Date: 3/8/2003 5:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I dont think that castration, or other things in case its a female, is really going to matter. Your right if its psychological motives, then they will still rape, and murder. Perhaps not the NORMAL type rape by use of organs, but that doesnt matter to so many of them, they apparently just wish to hurt. I guess I just cant understand people that hurt other people. I just cant see how anyone can do it. |
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