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Teacher refers to his student by using racial slurs, not once, but twice...RIGHT or WRONG?

  Author:  17204  Category:(Debate) Created:(5/18/2003 10:18:00 AM)
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For those of us who are too lazy to read the article enclosed, I'll make a long story short. A white teacher of the Seattle school district named Brian Emanuels handed out an assignmentto his students. One of the students said "This is gay," in referance to the homework. This offended the teacher who then took the student into the hall way and said how would you like it if I called you a _____(the N word..I don't want to offend anyone out there, but you get the picture). The teacher went back in and told the class that saying gay was wrong, etc. Then to further his point he said, "How would you like it if I said, I guess the N word can come back in." The school has placed him on suspended leave with pay.

Here is where the debate lies.... Was the teacher wrong to make his point like that? What kind of connotation does the N word and the word gay have to you? Was the student wrong? Should the teacher be fired? Is this incident being blown out of proportion? I really want to know what you guys think about this next question in particular...Would it have been ok if the teacher was African American also?

This is what I believe... The teacher was simply trying to make a point, however now a days, you can't do it in that fashion. People are sue happy. I also think that although the teacher was wrong, many people overlook the fact that the student deeply offended him. I was listening to Kube 93.3 today and everyone who called in failed to recognize that gay is also a slur when used that way. Well lemme know what yall think and if you want the actual article from the Seattle Times, scroll away!

"Racial slur in class brings outcry, unlikely to get Seattle teacher fired"

By Nguyen Huy Vu Seattle Times staff reporters

It's unlikely that a Cleveland High School teacher accused of using a racial slur in a classroom two weeks ago will be fired for his comments. Instead, first-year teacher Brian Emanuels will likely receive a verbal warning or another lower-level disciplinary action because it is his first offense, said the Seattle School District's deputy general counsel, Brenda Little-Latham. Emanuels was placed on paid administrative leave pending an investigation on the context of the slur and its impact on students. The investigation is expected to be completed today. The district has an anti-harassment policy that prohibits harassment based on things such as national origin, race and sexual orientation. During class on May 2, Emanuels said he was offended by a student's use of the term "gay" to describe an assignment. The teacher said he responded by referring to the African-American student with a slur referring to black people, asking him how he liked being called that name. He said he did so to make a comparison he thought the class could relate to. Emanuels is white. "I think that the statement was taken out of context. I have never allowed any derogatory speech in my classroom," Emanuels said yesterday. "But in hindsight, I would like to have made my point in a different way." Officials from the Seattle branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said at a news conference yesterday the incident was "disturbing and shocking," and demanded that the district fire Emanuels for violating the district's anti-harassment policy, adopted in 1995. Emanuels held a news conference yesterday at his attorney's downtown office. With his wife sitting beside him, he said he didn't intend to offend anyone; rather, he wanted to illustrate how insulting the student's language could be to a homosexual. According to Little-Latham, Emanuels allegedly used the racial slur twice. He took the student, a 16-year-old junior, into the hallway and allegedly asked how he'd like to be called the racial slur. When some classmates defended the student's use of the word "gay," Emanuels allegedly responded by saying to the class, "OK, how would you like it if I said 'I guess the (slur) can come back in,' " Little-Latham said. "I used the word, and right after I asked, 'Is it OK for me to use that term? Of course not. It's a highly offensive word,' " Emanuels said. The matter was brought to the attention of the Seattle NAACP by Eric Dawson, the father of another student in the class. Dawson said that on the day of the incident, his son stood up and told Emanuels, "You can't talk to him like that," and the two began a verbal exchange until a teacher separated the two. Emanuels said he apologized to the class and to the student he'd directed the slur to. He said the class then had a 15-minute discussion on the subject of intolerance. Four days after the incident, Dawson contacted the Seattle NAACP on behalf of the student's mother. The teacher was placed on paid leave last Thursday after a meeting that same day involving school administrators, the two students involved and their parents, district and NAACP attorneys, and the NAACP's education-committee chairwoman, Phyllis Beaumonte. "We instill our trust into teachers, not only to teach our kids, but to do the right thing as professionals in what they do," Eric Dawson said at the NAACP news conference. "I'm appalled with the teachers, the administration at that school that knew that this situation had happened and did nothing about it until the NAACP got involved." Beaumonte said she discussed the incident earlier this week with district Superintendent Joseph Olchefske and Sharon Wilkins, director of high schools. Beaumonte said the NAACP is recommending that the Seattle School Board revisit its anti-harassment policy. She added that NAACP is conducting its own investigation of the incident and other alleged incidents at the school. "This current broad policy either needs to be amended or a new policy legislated by the School Board which specifically addresses use of racist terminology by a teacher to a student to the extent that there is a zero tolerance for this type of unprofessional behavior," Beaumonte said. Cleveland Principal Ted Howard said the incident does not show that there is a racially hostile environment at Cleveland, where 45 percent of the 736 students are African American. "If these allegations are true, I don't think this person should be working for any school," Howard said. "It's an incident that happened. They (the NAACP) say it's a hostile environment. I say it's just one teacher." Seattle Education Association President John Dunn said from what he understands about the case, the teacher was using the word as an example of inappropriate language. "It seems his intent was not to offend anyone. Once the facts of the case are clear, the district will decide how to move forward," Dunn said in a written statement. "SEA does not condone the use of the word in any context because of its history." Emanuels was a 15-year Microsoft employee before coming to Cleveland High School's Infotech Academy to teach computer programming. Howard described Emanuels as "very talented." "I came to teach at an inner-city school to give students more opportunities with my background and experience in the private sector," he said. "That's why I came into teaching, to try and help these kids from racial injustice." Emanuels hopes to return to work at Cleveland and doesn't think the incident will affect his relationship with any of his students. "But I will choose my words more carefully now," he said. One Cleveland student, Antwine Smith, an 18-year-old senior, says it's never OK for anyone to use a racial slur. "But I hear he didn't mean it like that and it just came out wrong. I hear he is a nice guy." But Smith added that a role model shouldn't use that language to prove a point. "He's an adult, and adults have more sense than kids do," he said.

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Date: 5/18/2003 10:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 35720    What an idiot...  
Date: 5/18/2003 10:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 36766    uhm, in my opinion, gay is a lot better than saying the N word...I think the teacher was wrong  
Date: 5/18/2003 10:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 49689    I hardly think that when the student said "This is gay" he was using it in a homosexual context,but rather pointing out that it was stupid..The teacher should have known this,and shouldn't have taken any offense to it...But the teacher did make a blatant racial slur and I think he should lose his job over it...There is no other explanation or meaning behind what he said...What is the saying? "Two wrongs,don't make a right"?  
Date: 5/18/2003 10:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 50435    Maybe the student didn't say the word "gay" implying homosexual undertones, but gay means gay to a gay person. Personally, I think everybody should just suck it up and deal with it. If you get offended because someone uses racial slurs then you have more problems than you're aware of. I don't think that there's a problem with what the teacher did. He was trying to make a point using an example that was immediately identifiable to the student. PC-ness is killing America.  
Date: 5/18/2003 10:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 57721    Both the teacher and the studenty were in the wrong here. The student should have used a different word to convey his feelings toward the assignment and the teacher should not have reacted in the way that he did. The teacher could have explained his offense to the way the student used the word in a more constructive way that would have made this whole situation better.  
Date: 5/18/2003 10:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 35720    I don't think the student was wrong. The student slipped up.. he should have been told about it, but not embarrassed in front of the class by being called the N word and isn't it illegal to call a black person the N word anyway?  
Date: 5/18/2003 11:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 22080    both of them were wrong but the teacher was making a point, he shouldnt get in trouble he made a valid point  
Date: 5/18/2003 11:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 22080    next time i hear someones whos not white say honkey,snow flake or cracker im gonna make a big deal of it, see how they like it  
Date: 5/18/2003 11:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 42792    There are other ways of getting a point across but all in all, I think that is about what you can expect from public school teachers  
Date: 5/18/2003 11:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Seems we all have to carry around a dictionary or a book entitled "politically correct" these days. I bet that teacher will from now on. *sigh*  
Date: 5/18/2003 11:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 49976    There both wrong.
Hugs&Cookies
  
Date: 5/18/2003 12:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    nka whats that supposed to mean?  
Date: 5/18/2003 12:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    This Politically Correct is going way to far, why not suspend the student as well for using a slur on a teacher.  
Date: 5/18/2003 1:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 2030    Just the fact that he's a public school teacher makes him suspect. But honestly both are just words, their power to hurt or incite lies solely with the person hearing them. i don't see how any derogatory term would be any greater than another.  
Date: 5/18/2003 2:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 30647    I think it was wrong because it's a different situation. But I was just wondering...which school in the Seattle School District was it?  
Date: 5/18/2003 2:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 30647    Never mind. I got it...Cleveland High School. Yeah, I heard of that school.  
Date: 5/18/2003 5:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 55967    The kid was wrong, definitely, and the teacher was wrong in how he handled it.  
Date: 5/18/2003 6:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 57225    i personally think that the whole thing was blown out of proportion. the teacher was just making a point, both words can be offensive when used in the wrong way, and i think the teacher was probably just trying to get that point across to the students.  
Date: 5/18/2003 6:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 57225    and even if the student wasnt saying 'this is gay' in a homosexual context..it could still be offensive to someone who happens to be gay and overhearing it.  
Date: 5/18/2003 10:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Bottom line, he's an adult. He should have had a more intelligent way of making his point. Calling a teen a N___ is disgusting, actually any adult who resorts to that is ugly and disgusting. My grandchildren are all part Caucasian and part Hispanic, I've heard some nasty things said about Mexicans too. But if a teacher EVER says any of those things, I WILL sue, not because I need any money but because the days of ignorance and intolerance are gone. I can't speak for other parts of the country but, in my area, he would be done as a teacher, public or private.  
Date: 5/18/2003 10:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Actually I made an error in my statement that, "ignorance and intolerance are gone today", obviously they are not, racist behaviour though, is no longer tolerated. I've been a nurse a long time and had lots of people offend me, but fortunately common sense comes before running off at the mouth. Point is, if you work in the public, you serve as a role model, especially in certain fields. I like to think teachers are above angry slurs and racial comments. Unfortunately this person was not.  
Date: 5/18/2003 11:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    I think people should understand that we are human and we do make errors in judgment. The teacher admits his error and it should have never made the news. He's not the first to make an error in judgment and won't be the last. What he was attempting to do was good but he did it in the wrong way. NAACP should stop trying to make a mountain out of a 'simple' human error. Let it drop. It is their response that is most harmful.  
Date: 5/18/2003 11:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 47162    Good teaching technique. I think it got the point acrossed. Maybe a lil rough on the edges, but sometimes it takes a lil roughin up to learn a lesson. Maybe if some teachers at Columbine had been a lil rougher, those kids wouldn't have shot fellow students.  
Date: 5/19/2003 11:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 62003    people give the "N" word too much power, it go it's the past and the only pne your hurting is yourself by letting people get to you simply with a word. I say things are gay all the time I don't mean they are homosexual I just mean they are stupid or noninteligent I don't make a difference between people who perfer relations with those of the same sex to those who are attracted to the opposite sex. gay means happy any ways  
Date: 5/19/2003 8:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    then why say something is gay if you think its stupid? does that mean you dont like things that are happy?  
Date: 5/19/2003 9:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Please, how easy to call "it making a judgement in error". Sorry I don't think an adult calling a teen the N word is human error or "rough teaching"? Keep this teacher, keep him in YOUR own backyard, I refuse to pay his salary. This isn't being PC, this is common sense. Even if SOME refuse to acknowledge the derogatory nature of this teacher's ability to "get his point across", Some of the replies here are revealing, how about we resort to name calling across the board, just for the "greater good and to teach a lesson, of course." An error in human judgement? I think not.  
Date: 5/20/2003 6:00:00 AM  From Authorid: 27554    "Gay" used in this context means stupid. It's slang! Maybe older people don't know this, but I use the expression all the time. I would expect a teacher to be aware of this fact too. What the teacher did was wrong, he humiliated a child. Imagine how that student must have felt. Also, even though the kid was not calling anyone gay, I want to know why being called gay is considered to be a slur! There is a such thing as gay people. I'm sure that a gay man wouldn't be offended if you called him gay. It is not the same this as calling someone a derogatory name.  
Date: 5/20/2003 7:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 3125    SG..I could understand why all the ruckus if the teacher had been guilty of using this method as a normal way of teaching, but this was one incident. One incident in which he apologized for. What ever happened to accepting an apology for a wrong one did instead of making a mountain out of a mole hill? I would understand the anger if the teacher would have grabbed the student and slam dunked him, but the teacher used a No No word. I do not understand why NAACP would make such a big issue out of one incident especially when the teacher apologized. The NAACP wants the teacher fired. That's ridiculous. If they care about the students in general, let them do some good and go after the teachers who are doing illegal drugs. I live about 30 miles from Clevland and I hear about the things that goes on there, matter of fact, I attended a Cleveland school quite a few years ago. Cleveland has come a long way and they don't have major racial issues. That is one reason why I say that NAACP should keep there nose out of it and stop trying to make something more out of it than what it is. Don't come in and try to stir something up.  
Date: 5/20/2003 2:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    These Politically Correct people are just as evil as the KKK or Nazi's.
  
Date: 5/20/2003 5:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    i second that one drkptrs  
Date: 5/21/2003 6:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 61999    Was the student referring to the teacher when he said "gay"? If he said "You are gay" then I could see it. I know the guy was trying to get his point across, but gee, he opened up a can of worms with his ignorant mouth. Poor man; I'll bet he needs a hug. ~The Mighty DreamGyrl~  
Date: 5/21/2003 6:42:00 AM  From Authorid: 42792    It means that public school teachers are not up to par, most of the time. They aren't educated to educate.  
Date: 5/21/2003 7:42:00 AM  From Authorid: 61999    Amen, NKA. You said it. ~The Mighty DreamGyrl~  
Date: 5/21/2003 1:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 58030    The dude was doing his job, TEACHING, we can't just tiptoe around these issues any more, and he was just making a a point, it's not that big a deal, it is beliefs that give the word power take the power away from the word and the word means nothing, i personally used the word twice, and both times i was very young, once, trying to act tough, which goes to show how stupid i was,  
Date: 5/21/2003 8:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    wow im glad the school board doesnt have the philosiphy some of you people have, the teacher was simply making a point, none of them were justified and just because its a public school doesnt mean anything, private schools can be just as bad, i.e. "PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE THE DEVIL!"  
Date: 5/22/2003 7:57:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 17204    Interesting remarks, thanks for the feedback. For once we agree on something Jestr... lol  
Date: 5/22/2003 9:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 61897    I think it IS wrong. He could have made his point without using any profanities IN school, IN front of people's kids (that word is even bleeped out on tv, where alot of garbage IS allowed to be said). Besides the boy said it with a different meaning than what the teacher interpreted. When kids use "gay" in slang it means dumb, when the teacher said the "n" word he meant it racially and sure not in the slang way. As a teacher he should have been more professional about his position and how he should handle certain situations.  
Date: 5/22/2003 9:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 61897    I agree with Jester, it has nothing to do with whether it was a public or a private school. It could have just as easily happened in a private school, too. That is irrevelant and pretty snooty to say.  
Date: 5/22/2003 6:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    i find both the "f" word and the "n" word offensive but i still see what point he was making, and no the "n" word is not necessarily bleeped out on tv, the only time IVE ever seen it bleeped out is on south park, which is quite ironic  
Date: 5/23/2003 4:54:00 AM  From Authorid: 51463    okay, something like this happened in our class but ur teacher juss pointed out that it was inappropriate to say in class. He didn't pick on the kid and throw all this racial stuff at him and at the class. The teacher tried to establish a point but was a moron for saying it so many times and especially to the class. Hopefully he's / she's fired. =-bootz-=  
Date: 5/23/2003 9:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 3125    Bootz..Teachers are humans too. Why should this teacher get fired for saying a NO NO word and especially since he admitted his mistake? If the situation would have been different and the student was a white student and the teacher ask, "How would you like it if I called you a honkey?" Do you think anyone would have made a big deal out of it? I still say that the NAACP is making a mountain out of a mole hill.  
Date: 5/23/2003 10:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    If the teacher says a no-no word? Education and common sense are still what make the world go round. Some dispute it, repuke it, don't like it. But racism is NOT tolerated. And an adult, especially a teacher, knows or should know better. Rusure, I live about 2 hours from you, send that teacher over here, I don't know about Cleveland, but in Toledo, if he ONLY lost his job, then he would be lucky. Don't come in and try to stir something up? Fine, DO NOT VIOLATE federal laws of discrimination. People like this keep the NAACP alive and well.  
Date: 5/23/2003 11:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    I can sense racism, my grandchildren are Mexican, I prefer Hispanic when defining their culture. I've heard all the derogatory names that Mexicans and African Americans have been called. The bottom line is, if my tax dollars pay your salary, YOU will HAVE to LIKE what I have to say and if it is a molehill to you, well it may be my mountain. But my tax dollars speak volummes. And my letters to my congessperson. And my education and position, and common sense. And no, I don't call anyone gay or use racial slurs, BUT I will tell you that "being human" also means being human, regardless. Too bad the NAACP still has to stand behind the rights of human beings, regardless of faith, color or sexuality. Actually I meant color of skin, isn't that what they protect? Discrimination based on skin color and derogatory name calling.  
Date: 5/23/2003 11:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    SD, It is obvious that the teacher had thought the student was being prejudice against homosexuals and he used an example to show the student how words can hurt. The teacher admitted that he should have used another way to get his point across. The teacher was teaching against being prejudice not encouraging it, which shows he wasn't prejudice. He admitted that the way he tried to teach the lesson was wrong. What more can he do? If he had shown that he was prejudice, I would be one of the first to say fire him.  
Date: 5/23/2003 11:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Honestly, I don't know this man's mind, I feel his heart though. I'm not an educator, I'm a nurse, I hold and touch every color of skin. Don't try to tell me a little to late what you meant. It just won't work. He doesn't have to do anymore, he has done enough. When I hold your hand Rusure, I don't feel color, I feel a human person with feeling. You can call me anything, I am far from being perfect, but I will still believe any lesson learned comes from example, not retaliation. The bottom line, and it is getting tiring, is that I don't want this man teaching my children of color. Why is that so hard to understand and see from another's opinion?  
Date: 5/23/2003 11:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    And what is obvious to YOU, just ISN'T too me, do you really, really believe EVERYTHING someone says when they get caugh with their hand in "the cookie jar" or is it just your own assumption that he can't be telling anything but truth. Sometimes one persons truth is another person's persecution. And Gallytuck, being PC isn't killing America, NOT QUITE!  
Date: 5/23/2003 11:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Actually I wonder how someone WHO doesn't live in the US can honestly say that being PC is killing the US. How is that? I missed those headlines.  
Date: 5/24/2003 12:03:00 AM  From Authorid: 12341    *rebuke"  
Date: 5/24/2003 11:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 3125    SG..Until or unless the teacher says otherwise, all we have to go on is what the article stated. I think the punishment of a verbal warning and being suspended for an amount of time was very appropiate. The article clearly states that this was his first offense. This suggest that he is not prejudice but made a bad call in the manner in which he attempted to get a lesson across. I cannot go beyond what the teacher said and say that he lied. The article said that this teacher admitted he was wrong and he said he will choose his words more carefully. He said "That's why I came into teaching, to try and help these kids from racial injustice". It is obvious to me that all he is guilty of is using the wrong word to teach against racial bigotry. I am not prejudice and I would refuse to allow a teacher or anyone else to teach one of my children to be so. But.. I also teach my children to forgive when someone admits they have made a mistake. I don't care who we are or what we do for a living, it does not exempt us from making an error in judgment.  
Date: 5/24/2003 10:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    As you said, "you think, and in your opinion", which mean nothing to me. Nothing. I still stand by the fact that it isn't about being PC or making a verbal mistake, and then crying the blues, "He's only human, after all". One of the first things we learn in a career like this is, you may not get a second chance. Screw up with a kid, or in my case, a dose of medication and just saying you are sorry does't make it right. I am not going to continue to argue with you. It isn't worth it, obviously you WILL never agree with me and I certainly won't with you. This is a no win, I will never understand someone who thinks they can say anything and then make it alright by "saying sorry". Having poor judgement, well perhaps that is your clue. JUDGEMENT. Talk is cheap, and counts very little, either walk the walk or don't expect that everyone will fall for your "I'm only human, and therefore I'm forgiven. Ask the guy who was drug behind a pick up truck till his flesh and bones becames part of the road, or the guy who was tied to a fence for being "gay", how easy it is to forgive "human error in judgement. Rusure, you can come back again and again and again, we can argue this for as long as you want to, I don't, I won't, accept racism, whether by words or action. Everyone today is well educated and knows the boundaries. I am less forgiving when it comes to someone from higher learning. That person KNOWS darn well better. Even before I ever went to school, I learned something that I never forgot, "don't let you mouth overload your behind" and I'm using an acceptable word here. This may be the nicest guy in the world and you and twenty others may forgive and forget, but what about the one that he hurt? Are his feelings Moot because you see it different? Perhaps one day I become stupid and forget when someone tells me they HAVE no clue how come they are SO overweight, Let's not be PC, the word is FAT, and I say, "and so, you just gain weight while you sleep? Yeah right, My behind will be done for, same as if I call someone a Racial. derogatory word. My education and everything I am is gone. GONE, and no one is going to "make it better".  
Date: 5/25/2003 10:50:00 AM  From Authorid: 62060    sorry if im coming in a little late here, but i thought the teacher said 'how would you like it if i called you a...' not 'you are a...'? The teacher was simply trying to make a point by shocking the pupils, abeit he should probably have made it in a different way.  
Date: 5/25/2003 8:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Fire Storm, my entire point is that an educator who admitted HE was offended, JUST HAD to make a point to a student, who happened to be African American, by using the word Nigger to make his point. Why is it that just makes no sense to no one but me. I am offended lots of days, by fat people, skinny people, white people, black people, blah, blah, blah. But on the job I have enough common sense to separate what offends ME and refrain from using racial slurs, name calling, and just plain taking it personal. Especially with a teenager. I know lots of kids use "gay" as a word to describe someone or something they found to be not to their liking. AS adults they know that using derogatory language and racial slurs are WRONG. Some may call it being PC, I call it being AN ADULT who can THINK and NOT always react in a demeaning way. The entire point is THAT you don't ask an African American how he would feel being called a "nigger", he already knows.  
Date: 5/26/2003 12:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 3836    I always get in trouble when I say "gay" at school too. And I know it offends people, but its just a habit. I don't think the student should be punished, nor the teacher. He was just making a point, not in a mature, appropriate manner, but he was.  
Date: 5/30/2003 2:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 62060    okay, then if your point (i think i get it) is that the whole principal of using slurs is wrong, then wasnt the student just as bad? im not defending what the teacher did, though, just trying to understand it.  
Date: 5/30/2003 2:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 62060    just a general question - is it worse to refer to a person by race than to refer to a person by sexual preference? just curious.  

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