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Date: 5/23/2003 9:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
http://www.cyndisearch.com/03102001d.html  |
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Date: 5/23/2003 9:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
Also, you might try the message board at court tv http://www.courttv.com/message_boards/ you might post a message there requesting the information you are seeking. |
Date: 5/23/2003 9:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
New York vs. Sante and Kenneth Kimes, Texas vs. Gary Paul Karr, Delaware vs. Thomas Capano, Ohio vs. Vincent Doan, Oregon vs. Joel Abbott, Florida vs. Errico, Washington vs. Kim Mason |
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Date: 5/23/2003 9:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/missingbody000911.html |
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Date: 5/23/2003 9:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
kelly gave the link to the site with the first five and here's the site to one of the others http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/127554 |
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Date: 5/23/2003 10:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/3344348.htm |
Date: 5/23/2003 10:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 47699
How could anyone ever be tried for murder if there is no body? Not only could they not prove guilt, they couldn't even prove that there had been a murder. To me, the whole idea is absurd. I wish you well in your quest.  |
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Date: 5/23/2003 11:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26177
Thank You All for the Sites. This is Great! And, Frankenstein, they may sound Absurd, but there have been Convictions, Thank Goodness, as these Are Crimes that Should Never Continue! There Should Never be a Perfect Crime, and hiding a Body, or destroying it, is a Terror that continues with Each and Every One of Us going through this Daily! |
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Date: 5/23/2003 11:54:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26177
Kelly, I posted on Court TV this morning. Again, Thanks! Patti |
Date: 5/23/2003 12:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
my gosh i remember hearing about one(can't remember where) it happened on a boat and a girl was pushed out the window of a porthole no body was ever found BUT the guy was convicted  |
Date: 5/23/2003 12:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 943
Good Luck on finding the answers you need. I hope and Pray they will be the right ones.  |
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Date: 5/23/2003 2:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
But how do you know that there was a murder? Where is a body? Can you show it to me? How could anything like this ever go to trial? You should need proof. The justice system (pardon me while I laugh) is blind and foolish if they think otherwise. What kind of a buffoon would ever try and sentence a person for murder when they can't even prove that one ever occured in the first place. No one ever said that judges were the smartest people in the world. Prove to me that there was a murder and then we'll discuss what action should be taken. Is there any such thing as a perfect crime? Sure, there is, but they're very rare. Most people don't have the brains for that sort of thing. In order to pull something like that off, you need to figure all of the possibilities and deal with them. As I said before, it's absurd. I do wish you well in your quest, however. Imagine that the supposed victim is lounging on a beach somewhere, savoring pina coladas and laughing at the rest of us. That might be the case. You never know, now, do you? Let's not jump to conclusions here and think the worst. |
| Date: 5/23/2003 7:01:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 26177 Good Questions Frankenstein. But let us put these points to the test. Tried to Contract Death 8 years Prior. Made Threats, with Witnesses, to the Fact of Killing this Person. Went to Prison because of this Persons Testimony. Last Person Seen with this Person. Takes off for about 2 weeks, Not to be found. Prior History of Abusive Behavior, Physical and Controlling of Life. No Concern whatsoever of Where this Person is. Mother of His Only Child. Will Not Cooperate with the Law with or without Attorney. Lied to the Police and All about When He moved out of the House, stated He was at the House when Even the Press, who was at House, knows He is lying. Has told others that He killed Her! Now, it is True that Texas is the Only State that requires a Body, and this may have changed by now. So, I do believe that with enough Circumstantial Evidence, and This does take a Long time, and a Strong Motive, Opportunity and Proof of Conspiracy to Committ Murder in the History, that You can Convict! I believe We are All tired of Living in this Fear. We Cannot Promote the Fact that if You Hide the proof of Murder, that You Can get Away with Murder. If there was a History of Any previous Running away on the Victims part I can see where this would mess with the Prosecutions Case. I do see where It is difficult, but I pray that It is not Impossible. When You go to doenetwork.org and See All the Missing Children and Adults it is enough to make a Person violently ill. No Bodies, No Crime. Then go to their Unidentified Files, there is way too many. So many Cases do Not have a Suspect, the victims just Vanish. Thanks for letting me vent on this, I respect Your Opinions completely. |
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Date: 5/24/2003 4:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 47699
Thank you, December. I respect your opinion, as well. I was trying to be objective but you do raise some good points. Try to imagine how difficult it would be to win a case like that even if you could manage to get it in front of a jury. It seems to me that it would be next to impossible. I watched the entire O.J. Simpson trial and I learned one thing from it. There is a vicious murderer walking around today who is free to do it again. In that case, they had two mutilated bodies and a ton of evidence. He ended up walking. |
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Date: 5/25/2003 7:29:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26177
Here are the Case stories that Base posted. Thank You All, and if You find Anymore that have not already been Posted, please Post. December56 Convicted Without a Body- Though the amount of evidence that needs to be proven seems unusual, prosecutors nationwide have been confronted with several missing-body cases over the past few years. And some prosecutors feel advances in DNA technology will make these cases even more common and perhaps lead to more openings of unsolved cases. “These cases are becoming more prevalent and with advances in science and forensic evidence technology, you’ll find more investigators looking back at old cases,” says attorney Jim Backstrom. Here are some missing body cases prosecuted in recent years, won with varying degrees of circumstantial evidence: New York vs. Sante and Kenneth Kimes The Victim — Irene Silverman, who disappeared in June 1998 The Evidence— Prosecutors believed the mother-son grifter team killed Silverman to steal her $10 million Manhattan townhouse. The following was uncovered upon their arrest: Silverman’s keys; cassettes of Silverman’s telephone conversations; a forged deed approving the transfer of Silverman’s house to a fraudulent Florida firm; loaded 9 mm and .22-caliber pistols; several wigs and masks; plastic handcuffs; $30,000 in cash; a phony Social Security card; an empty stun gun box; a pink liquid similar to a “date rape” drug. Verdict— Both were convicted in May of murder, forgery, conspiracy, and grand larceny, among other charges and sentenced to at least 120 years in prison. Texas vs. Gary Paul Karr The Victims — Renowned atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair, her son Jon Garth Murray and her granddaughter, Robin Murray O’Hair, who disappeared along with $500,000 in gold coins in 1995. The Evidence — Prosecutors believed Karr, O’Hair’s former office manager, and another accomplice kidnapped and killed the family for the gold coins. (One alleged accomplice was found dead shortly after the disappearance; the other was not charged and is serving 60 years in prison for weapons charges and a previous theft from O’Hair’s atheist organization.) At trial, prosecutors presented several inmates who testified about Karr’s jailhouse confessions and telephone records, car rentals, airplane trips and financial transactions implicating Karr. Karr’s ex-wife also told jurors he tried to give her three Rolex watches he claimed he won during a poker game but came from the bodies of the O’Hairs. Verdict — In June, Karr was convicted of extortion but acquitted of kidnapping. He was sentenced to life in prison under the federal “three strikes” law. Delaware vs. Thomas Capano The Victim — Anne Marie Fahey, Capano’s mistress, who disappeared in 1996. The Evidence — Prosecutors believed Capano killed Fahey because she wanted to end their three-year affair. Fahey was last seen alive with Capano at a Philadelphia restaurant. Neither Fahey’s body nor a murder weapon was ever recovered, but prosecutors alleged Capano stuffed her body in a cooler and dumped it at sea. The prosecution presented Fahey’s diary, in which she described Capano as a “controlling, manipulative, insecure, jealous maniac.” Witnesses testified about bloodstains being found in Capano’s house and in the back seat of his Jeep. Another mistress of Capano testified that he asked her to purchase a gun before Fahey’s disappearance. Capano’s brother, Gerard, told jurors he helped Thomas dump Fahey’s body at sea and shot a hole in the cooler to make it sink. Another brother of Capano testified he helped Thomas replace a bloodstained rug and sofa. Capano initially denied any knowledge of Fahey’s disappearance, but then testified that his other mistress killed her in a jealous rage. He ultimately admitted dumping Fahey’s body but claimed he was only trying to protect his other mistress. Verdict — Capano was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death. Ohio vs. Vincent Doan The Victim — Carrie Culberson, Doan’s girlfriend, who vanished in August 1996. The Evidence — The victim’s family and friends suspected Doan because of his violent relationship with her. Before her disappearance, Culberson had filed assault charges against him stemming from an altercation between them. Friends and relatives told jurors about several altercations between Doan and Culberson and claimed Doan was obsessed with her. Prosecutors believed Doan killed Culberson because he could not control her or to prevent her from further pursuing assault charges against him. Verdict — Doan was convicted of aggravated murder and kidnapping and sentenced to life in prison without parole in 1997. Oregon vs. Joel Abbott The Victim — Carolann Payne, Abbott’s girlfriend, who disappeared in 1985 The Evidence — The prosecution presented testimony from friends and acquaintances who recalled Abbott having a history of violent altercations with women. However, key testimony came from a police informant, Abbott’s friend Francis Lewis, who secretly tape-recorded conversations in which Abbott indicated he had shot Payne and buried her where no one would find her. Verdict — Abbott was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. — Bryan Robinson, ABCNEWS.com |
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