Date: 5/25/2003 2:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
I was just talking about this today...it is NOT a good thing, but go ahead, it's apparently been a pastime for a long time!  |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I am not or have ever thought of myself as bi-sexual or homosexual. I have no problem with homosexuals but I think that some teens are acting out homosexual acts to rebel against society and not because it is their sexuality.  |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
Maybe it's just a case of greed or 'get it where you can'!  |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
I used to think I was bisexual, but you're right.. I think it's more of a fad then anything. I'm totally straight.. and I'm only 17.. I don't know much about myself anyway. :P  |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 30743
With all of the confusion of today's world, teens are more under the gun than ever. Magazines promote thin and beautiful, discovering who you are and what you want to be, which is sometimes good, but not at the cost of our teens trying to find something in themselves that would please a bunch of fanatics. Being bisexual is viewed as exciting and new age by males, and females are more than willing to go along with this if they think that males would 'go for them' more. I don't approve or disapprove of anyone, what I disapprove of is the notion of newspapers and magazines that promote goodwill and understanding, inadvertantly encouraging confused teens that they may be gay. I once took a test to determine my sexuality and one of the questions was: Do you have dreams of the same sex of a sexual nature? As a teen, yes I did, but that does not immediately mean I'm bisexual. All it meant to me was that I was searching for a mother figure, a comfort. I'm not disapproving of anyone's sexuality but yes, I do believe it can be used as a fad. To gain popularity, attention, etc., it is only another tool we give the teens that they are able to use, deliberately or not, to gain what they seek.  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
LSR, I think you may be right in some cases but like with Rika, some kids are just doing it to have something to do...that bothers me. Rika, glad you came into your own and didn't do things like that for a hobby. That kind of behaviour hurts true homosexuals because heteros are incapable of understanding it and it is always easier to place judgement using negative scenarios i.e. the bi-sexual fad |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I agree with you, ML, I have had those dreams too but I have also had dreams of killing people and I am not a murderer. |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 30743
Although I will use a disclaimer to say that I do not believe EVERY teen is using it as a fad. Some are very confused and searching for who they are, it's the nature of teen years. Those who are bisexual will be bisexual without thoughts such as, "He'll like me more." "If I was Bi, I would get more attention." It's either a way of life, or it's an attention getter. |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Gotcha, ML but I think that one is either hetero or homosexual. I think that bi-sexuality in almost all cases is either from partaking in a fad or it is homosexual that has yet to totally embrace their sexuality |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I'm off to take the girls to the movies. I will come back later tonight to check up on this. I am not abandoning the debate... |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
guess it takes all kinds but I prefer the scent of a woman.  |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 61946
I honestly don't think so. Because I feel that sexuality is not a choice, but that you are born that way. A person can't help what kind of pepole they are attracted to, whether it be male, female, or both. Why would someone go through all the the crap that a person goes through if it was just a fad??  |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 21435
Hi NKA :) I suppose that sexuality could be viewed as a pastime, but I don't think that it should. I'm pretty much of the belief that whatever floats one's boat is fine, long as I am left out of the equation..lol...I feel that a person should not do something simply because their friends are doing it. There should be honest emotion and feeling. Good question. Write on...:)  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
girls don't seem to go through to much crap these days for being bi-sexual. Of course, some people are homosexual but some people are just easily influenced too |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I feel that way too, Kronk. I just worry, being a mother of 4 young daughters, that this is becoming too much of a popular thing to do. |
Date: 5/25/2003 2:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 54155
I myself am straight but I have SEVERAL bisexual friends. I don't think its just becoming more "ACCEPTED"... I have thought this several times. For example, my brother is bisexual but I think he just decided to jump onto the band wagon cause all the "cool kids" are bisexual. I believe many people who claim to be bisexual have bisexual thoughts but realisitically they would NEVER engage in homosexual activity....tahts excluding kissing because kissing is just a sign of affection. For example, I COULD kiss my best friend (female) on the cheek and it wouldn't be an act of homosexuality.
I believe that many people (teenagers) are questioning themselves at this day and age, and I believe everyone is bisexual for atleast 5 minutes of their lives...its just the majority of them PROBABLY think that WHEN they get stuck in those 5 minutes, they ARE a bisexual for life when it isn't so.
My friend Devon is a bisexual. She resorted to this as she's had a crappy history with guys but YET she can still turn to guys whenever she wants. MY friend Amanda who just the other week had a boyfriend AND a girlfriend. she THINKS its alright to have one of each since her PREFERANCE prefers one of each. Many bisexuals that I know think this way and I can only think that it's a form of insecurity...knowing their family backgrounds or what have you, I can strongly support this. Is being a bisexual a fad or is it a cry for help?  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Could be both, depending on the individual... |
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Date: 5/25/2003 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 54155
ALSO my friend Amanda (the one who last week HAD a bf and gf) her Bf didn't feel comfortable with her seeing other women. Amanda was shocked but... (I have to count)atleast four off the top of my head that I can think of ((I counted one time and including guys I knew 10 bisexuals all around the age of 16)).....GUYS seem to like the idea of their gf foolig around with another girl BUT weould defintly dislike it if they went out with someone. Btw if anyones bisexual, I didn't mean to offend you. I'm 16 and I just wanted to state my views since I strongly feel that its a fad. |
Date: 5/25/2003 3:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
I don't know that it is a fad, maybe more of a "lets play doctor" for the older children. It is because of our much more permissive society that we are encountering so many young people acting out their fantasies. As you yourself stated, when you were a teen you had dreams of other women, well back then we showed more restraint nowadays its more of a free for all. Short and Sweet your friend that has a boyfriend and a girlfriend is at the worst end of the spectrum. Love and respect should count into a relationship and for her to have TWO people, be they male or female, is wrong. She is not thinking of their feelings only her labido.  |
Date: 5/25/2003 3:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 22852
I think it is a fad. A true homosexual is with the person of the same gender and that is it. A bi-sexual is just someone who wants to play and experiment. Oh and that was told to me by a man who is bi-sexual.  |
Date: 5/25/2003 4:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 43948
Let's just put it this way:
There are those who are bisexual or gay by nature.
There are those who decieve themselves into believing they are bisexual through insecurity and environmental stimulus.
There are those who decieve themselves into believing they are straight through insecurity or environmental stimulus.
There are those with intentions to soely engage sexually with either gender (a threesome), but are heterosexual.
There are those who seek affection from either gender, but revolt at the thought of sexual interaction with the same gender.
Now, to say bisexuality is a fad is a little bias. Don't you think?
Teenagers go through many many changes, and believe me, it's not an easy ride. We question everything. We experiment to find our answers. We have a need to satisfy and condition ourselves and our curiosity. It's what later defines us as an individual. For some, sex is a taboo, and for others, it's plain fun. Either way, regardless of what you may think, it's a fundamental part of your life. It's just how you view things, and it's not for you or me to judge others on their sexual orientation or their expression of sex.  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 4:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 43948
What I said was VERY general, so think about it. And I almost just ate a partially raw egg. |
Date: 5/25/2003 4:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 55536
Studies have shown that most people are actually in the middle somewhere. Very few people will get aroused at only ONE type of sexual partner, one fantasy or one thought. People can and do get aroused at a much wider range than they might be willing to admit. Now just because a person might have thoughts or dreams of different kinds of encounters doesn't mean they are solely one way or the other or in the middle. A person might never have same gender dreams or fantasies but due to circumstances might engage in same sex encounters. They might still call themselves heteroesexual even though their activity is same sex (example men in prison) Identifying oneself as any orientation is more than what you do with whom. It includes your dreams, thoughts and fantasies as well as how you label yourself privately and publically. I think that kids today are more willing to check out their options and all the thoughts and feelings they have than in the past or are at least more willing to talk about it.. . . That being said despite the exploration I think eventually most people will decide one way ot another and then stick to it. Some will continue with both - like many others have done in the past. Now ducking  |
Date: 5/25/2003 4:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
The true definition isn't a pastime but unfortunatly the majority of people these days will sleep with both sexes but they won't have a relationship as well!  |
Date: 5/25/2003 5:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 31255
Well, I was gonna write a lengthy comment but I really believe that PunkRock stated it very well and there is no way I could top that comment. I'm impressed :p  |
Date: 5/25/2003 5:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Past studies have shown that approxiamately 20% f the population consider themselves to be bisexual. When interveiwing teens in high school, 50% have stated that they have had a bisexual experience. That does not necessarily mean they are bisexual, but that they have experimented. I know one woman in her late 30s, who states she is bisexual, although she has not been with another woman in 8 years. For the average person to even think of having a bisexual experience, they must first have a mental disposition that tells them it is not wrong. For the most part, they are born with that mental disposition. As for it being a fad, bisexualism has been around for as long as man has been around. A lot of people try to understand it, but unless they are bisexual or homosexual themselves, then they cannot ever understand it. I have had women tell me that although they enjoy being with a man, that only another women knows all the right spots to make a woman feel good. Years ago, the old saying was "If it feels good do it". Rather than knocking others for what they want to do, why not just let them live their own life, especially if it is not hurting your life.  |
Date: 5/25/2003 6:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
Notice how many girls are bisexual? I believe some people really are bi. I think the majority just want attention.  |
Date: 5/25/2003 6:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
you don't believe that anyone can be truly bi-sexual? well why not? why should you be the one to judge what other people do and don't feel about others? i think some people pretend to be cause they want to be "cool".. but that doesn't mean that everyone is. and i certainly don't think it's a fad if some people are being ostracized for it (which does happen).  |
Date: 5/25/2003 6:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i personally think it's alot of experimentation.... and people are exploring thier options before locking down on one or the other... people acting on things... just because you experiment doesn't mean that it is so... i could say i'm bi-sexual... i could say i'm an artist..i could say anything.... but that doesn't make me what i say... i can fool myself into believing what i say... but that doesn't make it true... i'm not being negitive against ANYONE who is bi-sexual there are some people who are truely bi-sexual....but i think most of it is people experimenting to figure out what they actually are...  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 6:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
a bit of an experiment a male(lets call him male A) hops onto the computer and talks to another male(male B) telling the other male B that he is female.. they chat for weeks and weeks and male A is very attracted to male B.... does that make male A gay? or bi? becuase who he is attracted to is actually a guy... no... i don't think so |
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Date: 5/25/2003 7:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I don't think it is bias at all, from my perspective. We all ave thoughts of things that we could do and maybe even fantasize about but does that mean that we should do it? I don't believe so. Magenta, everyone has the right to their opinions and everyone judges, in one way or another, it is human nature... |
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Date: 5/25/2003 7:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
The difference between Gay and Bi-sexual, from what I have seen, is that gays are truly well...gay and bi-sexuals are more into it for the experience and not the human connection that would involve love, true love unless of course, like I said, it is a gay person claiming to be bi because they have yet to accept their sexuality. |
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Date: 5/25/2003 7:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
oh, and like I said, I have had dreams that I found to be stimulating of killing people. I certainly do not intend upon acting it out. |
Date: 5/25/2003 8:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 52140
I have a friend who's bi and believes he became bi in THIRD grade. No way a 3rd grader can choose it. I live in the "Bible belt" where everyone goes to church and 3/4 of them have a false holiness. They tell my friends they are going to hell, they call them fags, and queers and other stuff. It really ticks me off!! I don't condemn them, but I don't agree w/ their lifestyle, but like it says, love the sin, hate the sinner (Im refering to both by- and homo-sexual people). ;)happy breathing  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 8:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I don't think that homosexuals choose to be homosexual and I have not a darn thing against them as long as they don't attempt to try to get with me. To each their own. I have many homosexual friends, I care not what they do in their bedrooms or with their partners. What I am talking about here are teens that perform homosexual acts like it is a sport and because they think it is cool from peer pressure. I am not talking about homosexuals. |
Date: 5/25/2003 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Nah............"old" fad......good post  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 9:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
LSG, I know it has been around forever but when I was in school, 10 years ago, my friends and I didn't think it was cute or funny to tongue kiss eachother. I know alot of teen girls now that do... |
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Date: 5/25/2003 9:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Maybe I just didn't see it before but that is unlikely. I was pretty popular in school with alot of different groups...hmmm... |
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Date: 5/25/2003 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 31255
NKA, if you believe that people can truly be homosexual, than how hard is it to believe that there are people who truly are bi-sexual? I'm sure there are people here on USM who consider themselves bi-sexual that are not in it for the experience, and are attracted to both sexes and truly loved someone of both sexes... |
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Date: 5/25/2003 10:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I just don't think it is possible, regardless of what someone else believes. Sooner or later you have to make a choice...JMO |
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Date: 5/26/2003
From Authorid: 31255
I don't think sexuality is as black and white as people like to believe it is... |
Date: 5/26/2003 12:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 32070
I stick by my original comment/reply. even if it was deleted.And I see no reason why it should have been, it was straight, honest and to the point and (G-rated) !!!! hmmmph....NKA it's sooo nice to see you again and I hope THIS REPLY stays long enough for you to see it!!!!! BIG HUGS to you my friend....  |
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Date: 5/26/2003 7:32:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Hey, PL, I actually agree with what you said! |
Date: 5/26/2003 1:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
Uhm..I don't think so. and who cares if its a fad? See this falls under weather being bi/gay is right or it is wrong. because those who dont believe its wrong wont view it as negative if its the new fad. Personally I dont see a single thing wrong with bein bi. and people shouldnt hate people, judge people, or knock them for it.  |
Date: 5/26/2003 3:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 10915
It is a both to me. A fad and an accepted lifestyle.  |
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Date: 5/26/2003 4:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
ONB, I don't think anything about sex should be acted out as a fad, I certainly raise my daughters with that in mind and hope that they don't fall into that type of peer pressure. And to heck with all of this PC, don't judge anyone crap...we all judge eachother, that is how we form opinions and learn. |
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Date: 5/26/2003 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
Toodles, i agree. most things in life aren't black and white. |
Date: 5/26/2003 10:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
I agree with LSG in it being an "old" fad, but I don't think it was going on at such a young age. That's a bit disturbing -- but, then again, I am not for kids having sex, period. God Bless.  |
Date: 5/27/2003 5:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 54532
If thats what the person wants to do then let them. Its really none of your or anyone but themselves buisiness.  |
Date: 5/27/2003 7:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 57054
yes it CAN be acted out as a past time... im sure that there are people out there that do it just for fun. there's no doubt about it. but some people, i'm sure also, are really truly attracted to the same sex and the opposite sex... but i wouldn't really know :)  |
Date: 5/27/2003 11:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 61999
I think it's a fad. But what do you guys expect? I'm in my 20s and it just disgusts me that on alot of television I have to sit through a couple of girls kissing. It's FINE with me if they are doing it because they are truly bi/homosexual. But if they are saying "Let's kiss so maybe the guys will like us/think we're cool" then I'm totally against it because that's SICK to just turn yourself out for popularity. And did anyone notice the double standard on it? The entire crowd cheers when two girls kiss but when two boys kiss, everyone is thumb's down. Why? Humans are stupid. ~~The Mighty DreamGyrl~~  |
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Date: 5/27/2003 11:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 61999
BTW, I know people who DO just do this because they want to be cool... and they get mad at me when I'm not with it...~~The Mighty DreamGyrl~~ |
Date: 5/27/2003 11:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 41067
To some it may well be. To others, it is their way of searching for who they are, perhaps looking for that one special person that will make them feel happy, and they are simply not limiting themselves to finding that person in one particular gender.  |
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Date: 5/27/2003 4:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
54532, then it is none of your business either that I think this way...hmmm...think about it! |
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Date: 5/28/2003 8:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 54532
Didnt say it was. Hmmmm. lol. |
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Date: 5/28/2003 3:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Just as I didn't say it was my business what people do with their private lives but I thought it was a good topic for discussion and debate. By the looks of the post, I would venture to say I was right. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 8:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 54532
LOL this is confusing. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 12:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
well you know what then nka? thats too bad for you. Im sorry that you judge people based on their sexuality. But thats you and its fine that you do that. I however, refuse to do this. Im open minded when it comes to this. mostly because I was raised to think that being gay or bi is wrong. Because I was raised by parents with such strong view points who tried to pressure me into following them, it made me question what they were saying even more. Thats how my opinions were formed. And if you are going to consider being "bi" a fad, then why don't you start considering being "staright" a fad. Look, people are gonna be who they want to be. Why fight it? Let em do their thang. It's not hurting you. And if you think "peer pressure" causes people to be gay...all I can do is laugh. It's not exactly the "cool" thing you know. Im only 18, but I can safely say that at my high school, every one is anti gay and its not the "in" thing. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 8:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
ONB, obviously, you didn't read any of my replies here. For someone who has the audacity to speak about judgement, you certainly are being presumptuous. Stick to the debate, not how you think other people should think. |
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Date: 5/30/2003 8:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 17204
Look NKA, I simply DID read your reply to me, and I responded to it in the best way that I felt necessary, If you have a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you. |
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Date: 5/30/2003 7:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
And I SIMPLY countered your reply. Who gives you the right to judge me regarding my opinions? Easy, you do, just as I have the same unalienable right and furthermore, am just being human in expressing it. The debate is not about who holds the opinions and not necessarily about the opinion, itself, a debate is to present both sides (in some instances multiple sides) of the foundation of such. I do not believe that sex should ever be used as a fad because it is something that is too personal and often holds consequences that last throughout one's lifetime. When it comes to a non-conforming sex act that is solely used as a form of enterainment, it greatly raises the stakes of such consequences. You may not like that but facts are facts. I certainly have every right to judge and form opinions about those around me and beyond it being a right, anyone in there right mind would use judgement as a means of social and personal survival. |
Date: 5/30/2003 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i find this to be a bunch of bull, im bisexual and have had these feelings since i was really young and i was not exposed to it at a young age, yes this is my coming out party*woot woot* NOT im just stating the facts of my life  |
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Date: 5/30/2003 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
ps i dont do it to rebel or do it for my own wierd gratification, ive only had 1 experience with a guy and that was a couple months ago |
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Date: 5/30/2003 10:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Maybe you are truly bisexual but I have seriously witnessed many people who don't do it for their "sexuality", they do it just for sex. There is a big difference there. |
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Date: 5/31/2003 5:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 10915
I also feel that some do it just to have a "notch" under their belt. An example of this is my younger cousin. About 2 or 3 years ago, alot of females in her community claimed to be gay or bi and she started to do the samething. She was going to gay clubs and would brag to everyone about it. I believe she went as far as intimacy with a woman and then all of a sudden, she stopped and decided to remain heterosexual. Was that considered a "fad" for her at the time? Was she confused about her sexual identity? Or maybe it was "peer pressure". I really don't know, but I believe that it may have been the "in" thing to do at the time for her and it was something she wanted to do just to say she has "been there and done that". |
Date: 5/31/2003 5:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 62146
Being Bi-sexual is not a fad and people my age don't pretend to be gay to reble aginst society. You would have to be pretty darn brave to to amit your gay as a teen with all the peer presure. I think it is just in stile to act all friendly to everyone like girls will kiss each other on the cheek guys will pat eatch other on the shoulder alot and everyone gives hug to everyone. And stuff like that they may seem a little to close for older generations. But no it's not fad to be Bi it is a fad to be all friendly.
*Cosmic Freak*  |
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Date: 5/31/2003 6:30:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
teen girls tongue kissing eachother is hardly just friendly. |
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Date: 5/31/2003 6:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 10915
And who said that 2 girls kissing each other on the cheek or men patting each other on the shoulders are gay or bi? That seems more like friendly affection to me. |
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Date: 5/31/2003 8:30:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I agree, Girlie. I certainly was not talking about that. |
Date: 5/31/2003 9:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 57225
well i think in most cases bisexual people can't help the way they feel. as a teenager when you're already faced with so many pressures and its already hard to be yourself in front of people i'm sure its extremely hard to admit to your peers that you're bi or homosexual. i don't think that they do it to rebel or to prove a point or to do anything like that, but i will say that some people do it simply for the experience and to have fun. but i wouldnt call it a fad, and i think that for the most part people are completely honest in their sexual preference. I know that i wouldn't start liking girls just because a lot of people were becoming bi because well at least 5 of my friends are bi and i haven't even thought about being that way.  |
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Date: 5/31/2003 1:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 10915
I know NKA. I was talking to the author who couldn't tell the difference between friendly affection and sexual intimacy.
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Date: 5/31/2003 1:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 10915
Actually, friendly affection and being gay or bi. |
Date: 5/31/2003 5:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
Alongtime ago Tek from the Real World said.. " I don't believe anyone is bisexual, I think their just greedy" That was the best way I ever thought it could be explained. I think it is better excepted now. I would say 90 percent of my friends our gay or bisexual. I even have a few drag Queen friends and no offense I would rather hang out with alternative life style people anyday! The ordinary people are boring to me.  |
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Date: 5/31/2003 7:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Two very close friends of mine are gay and I love them with all my heart but this debate was geared toward s different topic. Thanks to those of you who understood that. |
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Date: 5/31/2003 7:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
it is extremely hard to come out to your friends and when you do you feel depressed cause your not sure if it was a good idea also teens get killed for being gay or bi, its nothing to brag about to everyone or to boast about, i had a kid in my english class tell me i hated him cause he was gay, honestly i hated him cause he was an annoying lil prissy premadonna that changed fads every week |
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Date: 6/1/2003 10:40:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I typically don't like to bring personal accounts into debates but I will this time. A very close friend of mine who is also my neighbor has an 18 yr old daughter, who often comes to talk to me and brings her girlfriends over (keep in mind this is only 1 example of many) She, one day, asks me if I ever had an experience, per se, with my best friend and I told her no and her and her friends were stunned as if there was something wrong with me for never having experienced that. This girl and her friends just graduated last year and were cheerleaders, very popular. They ALL have done it and think that it is strange NOT to do it. They don't have "relationships" with each other, they just have relations when they are bored. How is that considered to be? I will say that I have never met a teen guy around here that is open with it or seems to just be that way for the heck of it but I know so many girls like that, I couldn't even count how many. |
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Date: 6/1/2003 5:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 10915
I understand perfectly what you mean NKA. Some girls look at the lifestyle as playful and something everyone should at least try once in their lifetime. I suppose one of those passing "phases" in life is how they view it. Nice taggie by the way. |
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Date: 6/1/2003 6:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Yep, Girlie, you got it! And thanks, I love the new taggie:) |
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Date: 6/1/2003 9:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
NKA- debates are all about opinions, how can you say they are not? You tell me to keep my opinion out of this, but you asked for our opinions. I poseted mine. deal with it. |
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Date: 6/1/2003 9:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
You are acting amazingly haughty. Not once had I implied that you don't have a right to your opinion. I believe I did just the opposite and perhaps, if you were to actually read what was written, you would be able to comprehend that. I seriously doubt that I am in need of a description of what a debate should consist of. The debate is about one subject, you presented your side, as did I. There is no need for you to attempt to make it personal with feeble idiosyncrasies. |
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Date: 6/2/2003 7:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 17204
Im acting haughty????? LOL If anything Im being as nice as I can to you in order to avoid the alternative. You are the one speaking down to me, with all your rather large vocabulary skills, etc, so please do not go there. And please re read what you posted, you did say "The debate is not about who holds opinions, or what the opinion is about.." something like that. re read your reply. all i said in response is that debate is about opinions and you got so up set. And you know what else? There is no need for this back and forth crap, excuse the french. Look you have a problem with my opinions, who cares? Im okay with people being bi or gay. It doesnt bother me at all. Maybe I didn't say my point clearly enough. So once again, I feel like your targeting gay/bi people. You say being gay or bi is a new fad if those people have sex for a past time correct? But straight people can do the same thing! Straight people have straight people sex as a past time. I never approved of this. All I said is that gay/bi people are just as cool as straight people in my opinion. If this still has you all riled up, feel free to keep speaking down to me, as I am sure you are going to do anyway! Have a nice day. |
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Date: 6/2/2003 4:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
No need, ONB, again, you obviously did not read what I wrote or perhaps, you just don't understand it. Not a problem. Have a nice day:) |
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Date: 6/2/2003 8:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
Heed your own advice. |
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Date: 6/3/2003 2:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
What advice? Stick to the debate. |
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Date: 6/3/2003 3:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
Well isn't your advice pertaining to the debate? You told me to re read your replys. My suggestion was that you do the same. |
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Date: 6/4/2003 12:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
I never once told you to re read the replies. This is getting ridiculous. The debate is: Can sexuality be viewed and acted out as solely a pastime? I'm not going to continue going back and forth with you. If you have more to contribute to the debate then, by all means, do so. Otherwise, I have nothing further to say to you. |
Date: 6/4/2003 4:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 51463
I think - depending on the person - bisexuality can be viewed as a fad or a lifestyle. I mean more than most people think a lot of highschool student are bisexual and I think it's part experimental and part self-esteem. One kid I know said it's easier to tell his parent's he is bisexual than gay and I think that he did that because he wanted acception. I think that a lot of people in their teens it's a fad but once again as long as they're not killing each other it's not bothering me. However, for some it's a lifestyle decision and that's their choice. Sexuality has never bothered me all that much as much as their personlity and how they treat me so whatever it is they want to do go for it (as long as they ain't hurting no body). However, there are also people who use it as a perversion and I find that sick because they use it to manipulate people or just for their own personal reasons. I think that your sexuality is your business and it can be a lifestyle thing or a fad depending on the person but I'm not going to hate a person because their bisexual so it doesn't bother me too much. =-bootz-=  |
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Date: 6/4/2003 4:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 51463
I should have said at all but I didn't. Oh well I'm saying it now! =-bootz-= |
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Date: 6/4/2003 4:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
bootz, I get what you are saying and I agree to some extent... I just worry about my girls thinking that it is a necessary right of passage for adolescence. That goes for hetero or homo acts but it is a fact that homo acts are more scrutinized than hetero acts and if one of my girls were homosexual, I would certainly not think of them differently or love them any less but if they were to have alternative relations solely from peer pressure and were later to suffer from such, I would be heartbroken and left with no way of remedying the outcome of their actions... I know the same can be applied for conforming acts but it is more intense with alternative acts… When I was in high school, alternative lifestyles were still frowned upon and although, I know they still are somewhat, it has become more mainstream to be able to experiment with anything and everything and that absolutely leaves me concerned about my girls. I think it is natural to have curiosity about alternative lifestyles but like with everything else, you can’t always have the liberty of indulging in your fantasies and if you do, you have to be prepared to pay the piper…
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Date: 6/6/2003 4:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 51463
True, but I think your real worry isn't that your daughters will be sexally active but whether they will be sexually active to fit in or due to low self - esteem and there's no denying that as a possibility but that's more or less something you deal with as a parent. If you raise your children and teach them right and wrong and about doing things for your own reasons and the downsides of peer pressure then you have nothing to worry about. At least, that's what I gather. =-bootz-= |
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Date: 6/7/2003 7:36:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
bootz, I always worry,LOL I guess it comes with the job. |
Date: 7/8/2003 10:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 22275
*hold up sign saying "i guess im a fad" on it* Im Bi and ive been bi, since looooonnnnnng before the USM days. and im suuuure people are going to want to expirement with the same sex as a passtime, theres nothing wrong with that. Im going to say this next comment with love NKA, what is it to you what teens *and your kids possibly sometime if its such a fad you think theyre going to follow* do with the people they like. So what if someone looks at the same sex in a sexually attractive manor, i personally loooove my ex girlfriend she was one of the best things that ever happened to me. So i just wanna say, i love how my lifestyle is now becoming a "fad"...  |
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Date: 7/8/2003 4:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
PC, I raise my children to the best of my ability to have them realize that nothing about their body should be made a fad. I don't think that sex should be a pastime at all. Alternative sex acts that are founded by peer pressure seems even worse to me. |
Date: 7/8/2003 5:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 28363
i dont think we should be encouraging children to have multiple sex partners on a g-rated web site, maybe I'm old fashioned.. but i can live with that ;) Take care  |
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Date: 7/9/2003 5:23:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Exactly, Donno!!! That is part of what sparked the idea for this post!!! |
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Date: 7/11/2003 4:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 28363
lol ;) Have a great weekend hon |
Date: 4/28/2004 11:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
That's funny. I usually don't tell people I'm bi-sexual because I DON'T want to get attention. I've lost friends after I've told them about my sexuality. I don't treat it as a hobby. I've been bi-sexual for as long as I can remember. I know what you're talking about though. Some girls I went to high school with would make-out with girls because they thought guys liked that. Pretty sad. Good post, NKA.  |
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Date: 6/4/2004 2:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 42792
Bethann, I am glad you can see where I was coming from with that. |
