Date: 7/13/2003 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 8278
wow! 40 thousand dollars is alot of money! i agree that they should have to pay back the money. that is alot of money and time spent on this person  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
I agree with you, Cage.
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 46069
But isn't that their job?.. too save morons like that...? Crazy , the amount of money spent for that rescue though....  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
hi Frankie, its good to see you back hun...and yes I tend to agree with your opinion on this...I've thought this plenty of times when people who have set off around the world in little row boats (well, not quite row boats) get into trouble and the navy and sea resue have to rescue them, the same going for any dangerous incidents where the rescuers have to risk their own lives in order to save them...but on the other hand hun, we can't just let them die now, can we?? I understand what you are saying here...the money thats spent over here in rescues makes the mind boggle, it would be better spent on our failing hospital system....hugs  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
oh..I forgot also...I think they should be made to pay the money back....hugs |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 33900
I would like to read that Article...BTW...some states do have what is called a Stupidity law....you do have to remburse the Agancy and the local law inforcement for their time. I'm not Sure what states though. Good to See My Bro back...:)h:)h:)h  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:05:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks, Zema. It's great to see you, sis. No, SK8R, they're there to protect our country and our interests. They have a lot more important things to do than save imbeciles who see fit to stick themselves on the sides of mountains. My tax money helped to pay for that rescue and I don't like it a bit.
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Whoa! Judi! Hi, sis! I really missed you! Tell John that I said 'hi', also. We love you here and we always will. You're the best. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
By the way, I think your tag's getting nauseous because I see that's it's turned green. LOL! |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 8905
Im a bit of a risk taker, and thrill seeker, but at least my thrills dont get me stuck where its gonna cost 40 thousand dollars to find me... I think its sad really....  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:23:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Yeah, PC, it is. |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 36901
Welcome Back. I agree that he should have to pay for the rescue cost. We have to pay for ambulance rides when something happens so what is the difference here?  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Well if he took all precautions to make sure he was safe in what he was doing then no I dont think he should have to pay it back...if you were out skiing and there was a avalanche and they had to come rescue you should you have to pay it back?  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks, Apryl. I'm with you. |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
No, I think that NO ammount of money is worth a human life. We all take risks and if our lives depend on the almighty dollar sign, then something is wrong with the pic.  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i think that the person who did the foolish thing should have to pay for the costs of thier foolish things i'm not heartless.. i just hate seeing the city/military/anything take the ding for someone's own stupidity in these days and times there isn't money to throw around on foolish rescues  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 53360
Hey Frank, good to see you back! What do you think about this: What if it was required for people who go out and do things like that to have insurance for reasons such as this? I mean, think about, what if he had indeed died out there, yet they still went in search of him not know he had met his maker? It still would have costed the same amount of money right? Well, insurance could have paid for it. Cause you cant pay if your dead, but insurance can :)  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Midnightly, that's how I feel about it. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
the person should not be freely let off the hook for how much of a bill they ran up.... i think that is the point that frank is tryin gto get across... it's a point i agree with with atleast |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Without knowing the whole story, it is hard to make a judgement. I have free climbed before, and also rapelled. Some people call both stupid and foolish, but they are both sports that many people enjoy. They both were also things I either did, or might have to do in the military. Military Para Rescue often handle situations such as mountain rescues, because civilian agencies do not have the resource to do them. Above all else, it is something they have trained for, and it is also additional training for when they may have to do it in war time. Like I said, without the whole story concerning the rescue, it is impossible to pass judgement.  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 45551
I have to admit it sounds like the guy had a major laps in judgement.(I don't suppose you have a link). You should feel better though by knowing that a huge portion of the cost comes from the labor of the people involved in the search and rescue, seeing how it was the military it could be veiwed as a good training exercise. Just think, if they weren't doing that they would have been getting paid that same 40 grand for sitting at home on the couch watching tv. Unfortunately the military doesnt pay overtime...when i was in the navy my sub was in an extented overhaul for about 1yaer 3 months, on average i worked 105-110 hours a week......if they coulda squeezed more hours out of us and it still had been safe they would have.  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks. It's good to be back. Well, insurance isn't the answer to everything. I think that being foolish is tantamount to suicide or at least attempted suicide. Most life policies won't pay a dime for suicides for the first two years. I just got through my first two years this month. No, I'm not planning on checking out but my bride has a greedy look in her eyes. Well, a hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks again, Midnightly. Yes, that's the point I was trying to get across. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 53360
LOL, sleeping with on eye open? |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Yes, Kozzmick, I have to these days. LOL! |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Oh and for the record, I tend to agree with Midnightly here, I think the person should be held accountable for the money, even though I think the money should be spent on saving their life... |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
I will add, there have been cases in the past where a person was made to pay part of the cost of their rescue if it was later found that the reason for their rescue was something they could have controlled. Until knowing the whole story, it is hard to say if this was beyond his control. |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I totally agree. I thought about writing a post with a similar theme to this a while back. I have a hard time feeling sorry for people that glady and willfully for fun, place themselves in danger. Even worse, race-car drivers, boxers... etc, why do they deserve more attention or empathy than they guys that put themselves into harmsway for a living to save lives? Some people just need to know that risky thrill-seeking is something they should be totally accountable for. Good post Frank.  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks, You Choose. That's how I feel. Cops get paid next to nothing and I'm sure it's the same for firemen. They all risk their lives for us all every day and they get no special treatment. |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 36994
Well I'm the kind of person who would challenge myself, but what I don't understand is why helping someone else has a price to it? 40 thousand, thats incredible! Whatever happened to the mastercard commercial where good things are "priceless"?  |
Date: 7/13/2003 8:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Carina, I have feelings about that. The good things are spending time with your family and friends and it doesn't cost anyone a dime unless you feel inclined to buy them a Coke or something. It doesn't include dangling off of a mountain and freezing to death. Stay at home and stay healthy. You aren't James Bond so you don't need thrills. LOL!
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Actaully, $40,000 isn't much for a rescue. The rescues depicted in the movie "The Perfect Storm", ended up costing millions, when one figures that a helicopter was lost, a Coast Guard had to divert to assist, the other aircraft that were invovled, including refueling aircraft and search and rescue jets, and also that one Para was lost. By the way, that resuce in the movie really happened. The Paras involved were part of a National Guard unit from New York. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 8:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Carina, I'm sorry but I didn't answer your question about the cost. Payroll, equipment and fuel for those helicopter cost a lot. There's your forty thousand dollars. It didn't say but it probably took days for them to find the idiot. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
I agree with ya WS :) They can cost a LOT. A lot of people get caught up in a 'risk' gone bad, but no matter the cost, we have to save them... |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Now where would the fun in life be if people didn't push the envelope at times. There is a special sense of excitement about running at 150+mph, or standing on top of a mountain top before taking that long rope slide to the bottom, or even diving a coral reef on some Carribean Island. I say live life to it's fullest. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
So Frankenstein what about people who are not doing something that is normally so dangerous? Scubadiving, snorkling, surfing, fishing? We live here in FLorida and I cannot tell you hwo many times the coast gaurd has been sent out to rescue someone who has become lost at sea or someone who's boat has died in the middle of the ocean. The price of someone's life cannot be counted and it would be the same as if you went camping and got lost in teh wilderness. Should someone like that have to pay the searchers back the money? Should a diver who is diving underwater caves have to pay back the money if tehy get lost? JUst cause the guy was doing something you consider foolish does not mean he was reckless and if he was not reckless in his endeavor he should not be held financially responsible for it |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Jessica, you said it yourself. I have not problem in saving a scuba diver or someone who is hiking in the woods. Those things aren't usually that dangerous and they aren't just begging for trouble by doing so. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Jessica, let me put it this way. If I deliberately sit here and set myself on fire, why should you have to pay for the Gatorade to pour on me? You shouldn't. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Thing is that people dont PLAN on needing to be rescued, it just is one of those things... And to NOT rescue them because of the cost would make us a barbaric nation, I think. Yep, WS, that would sort of be like telling Race Car Drivers that THEY take the risk and if they have a wreck and is trapped in a flaming car, then so what? lol |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
You know Gail, that very same thing almost happened today at the Chicago race. Now how would people feel if the rescue workers had not helped Bobby Labonte and he was trapped in his flaming car? In fact, it took some time to finally get the flames out. Fortunately though, he was able to get out of the car. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Some people are just foolish. I don't want to have to pay for that. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Wow, WS, that was close!!!! I would have hated to see anything happen to him, I really do like Bobby |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Ya know Frank... I dont mind paying for anyone's life... even if they ARE foolish. Someday I may be foolish too. What goes around comes around and I feel like if I dont go the extra mile with someone, then the extra mile wont be gone with me... I would GLADLY help pay for a rescue of ANYONE rather than see them die.. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
AND if not for the 40,000 Rescue, then the medical expenses could be about 10 times that ammount and we would have to pay for THAT too.. |
Date: 7/13/2003 9:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 16705
i really don't know how to address this situation but everyone has a right to do what makes them happy but i feel if you're going to do something that could possibly kill you then don't do it. why should taxpayers pay? the ones who do something like that should pay. Hamb918  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Hamb, you're right. They not only risk their own lives but they senselessly put others in danger, as well and they run up a huge bill in the process. Thanks for the input. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Frank, there is nothing foolish about wnjoying life and pushing the limits at times. Where would we be if the Wright brothers had not had some crazy idea about flying. Also do you realize that many of the safety features in the cars we drive everyday were first thought of and tested in race cars. To exoerience all life has to offer, you have to get out there and enjoy it. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 9:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
*whispers to Frank*.. It is okay, I dont mind you not replying to me... :) |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
(Whispers to Gail) "yeah sis, I know what you mean. and i thought we were all friends" |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
This is the song that never ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was and they'll continue singing it forever just because this is the song that never ends... I promised someone that I would stay out of trouble here and silence truly is golden. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Actually Frank, I beleive silence is being rude. Some of us have responded to your post in a freindly manner, and you have refused to acknowledge those repsonses. What good is it to the extend the hand of freindship and comradery if that hand is going to be bitten? How crass. |
Date: 7/13/2003 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 53909
40 Thousand dollars!?!? Wow!...Just think what I could do with money like that...LOL! But yes, I think that the person should pay them back or at least some of it. That is just too much to money to save on someone even though it may be their job to do so.  |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Actually, those are the same ones who always end up biting me on the rear end for no reason. I'm a nice guy and I could never have enough friends. Then again, fool me once, shame on me. I hate to be goaded. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks, PSC. That's how I feel. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
What if it was your loved one in question? What if they did something foolish but not in the pursuit of a thrill? |
Date: 7/13/2003 10:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Now my feelings are hurt! I had nothing to do with anything that happened to you and now I have leporsy??? Frank, you act as though what happened to you is MY fault and I hope against hope that you dont REALLY believe that.... I replied here in nice ways, I was TRYING to be nice to you,.. sheeesh,...
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Jessica, that's different. Gail, I'm sorry. I really am. It was never my intention to hurt your feelings. We can agree to disagree and that's okay. We aren't all alike. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Frank, no one has goaded you. You made a post that I found interesting, and I responded. When I went through Security school, half the guys in my dorm were in Para school. Those guys don't do it for the money, because I can assure you that being in the military is not the highest paying job around. Out of 5 man crew on a Para helicopter, the total taxable pay for all is probably about $80,000-$120,000 a year. They could make 5 times what they do with civilian companies. They do it because they enjoy the satisfaction they get from it. In fact, there job is probably more dangerous than the things the people do that they rescue. You have the potential to be a very nice guy. Ignoring people though is not the way to prove it. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thank you, WS. My goal is to be your friend...eventually. I'll keep trying. We may differ on some issues but you're basically a very nice person. It's okay. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
I'm just trying to keep my blood pressure level down. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Like Gail, I would like to know how I was responsible for anything that happened to you. Yes, we had our differences, just like anyone does. I never once goaded you though, or "bit you". |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Thank you Frank :) And by the way, it IS good seeing ya :) |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
It's good to see you, too, Gail. We southerners have to stick together one way or another. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
:) Oh is Tennessee in the South? It is NORTH of me.... :P:P:P just kidding.. :) |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
LOL! Well, it's sort of in the south. You're hear when you work for the TVA. I know all about fried okra and mustard greens. Yeah, it's sort of southern. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
I meant, you're 'here'. I need to either wake up or go to bed. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Gail, I hope it's in the South, since I plan on doing the market in Nashville soon. I would hate to know I had to go up north just to sale my junk. |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
WS, if you plan to do Nashville, wear protection of some sort. You can pick up many things there. LMAO! |
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Date: 7/13/2003 10:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Well, I AM going to bed... I had oral surgery last Thursday and I am hurting now, so I need to try to rest. Pain meds kicking in now.. Nite Nite everyone... Nite nite Frank :) |
Date: 7/13/2003 10:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
I'm just saying that all of them aren't good deals at all.
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Date: 7/13/2003 11:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 52746
Unless we add up the costs of any type of rescue or clean up operation say, following a natural disaster or motorway smash, it's pretty hard to say if they wasted resources or not by rescuing this fellow. Having said that, if we were to do that, it might lead to an attitude: "this situation is cheaper to clear up so lets deploy our resources there," and by doing so, they'd neglect others even if their need is greater.  |
Date: 7/13/2003 11:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 53558
Hi there Frankie, it is niece to see you back. It is a lot of money and I agree with you all the way. Great big hugs. Take care.  |
Date: 7/13/2003 11:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Sam, I mean, what if someone was really in trouble but they never asked, no begged, for it to happen? What if their house caved in on them or there were terrorists or something? Would they be there to help them? NO! They're busy out there trying to save some senseless fool who saw fit to dangle off of a mountain. That's all that I'm saying here. I think he should either have to pay for it or be locked up for public endangerment and wasting resources. It's that simple.
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Date: 7/13/2003 11:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks, Aromatics. You're a sweetie and we love you here. My bride says, 'hi'. Take care, my dear friend. |
Date: 7/14/2003 7:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 54570
someone like that should have left an inteineray of where he was gonna be. But if they found him alive and all its a good thing.  |
Date: 7/14/2003 11:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 62181
When I first read this, I was like "No way! He shouldn't have to pay anything back!" Then I started to think...(hahaHAHA funny how that work, huh? lol) Anyway, as I was thinking, I thought "You know, if I were minding my own business, and was in a terrible accident at home that was not my fault, I would have to pay for the ambulance and hospital bills." So now I agree with you why would someone who wasn't doing anything risky or dangerous have to pay through the nose and someone who was - not. It doesn't make sense a life is a life and someone has to pay.... :) ok hope that made sense gotta run off to class. BYE! Peace  |
Date: 7/14/2003 11:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 30051
So what about the people who try to commit suicide? Should we let them die? It's there own fault right? No,I think not. I agree with Gail.  |
