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The Founding Fathers Were not Christians

  Author:  27950  Category:(Discussion) Created:(7/28/2003 7:21:00 PM)
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"The Christian right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States as part of its campaign to force its religion on others. They try to depict the founding fathers as pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity.

This is patently untrue. The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments.

Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestos encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the war of Independence: I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." From: The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)

George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray
John Adams, the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievments" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." From: The Character of John Adams by Peter Shaw, pp. 17 (1976, North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, NC) Quoting a letter by JA to Charles Cushing Oct 19, 1756, and John Adams, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by James Peabody, p. 403 (1973, Newsweek, New York NY) Quoting letter by JA to Jefferson April 19, 1817, and in reference to the treaty, Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 311 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June, 1814.

Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote: The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained." From: Thomas Jefferson, an Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 453 (1974, W.W) Norton and Co. Inc. New York, NY) Quoting a letter by TJ to Alexander Smyth Jan 17, 1825, and Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 246 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to John Adams, July 5, 1814.

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." -- Thomas Jefferson (letter to J. Adams April 11,1823)

James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." From: The Madisons by Virginia Moore, P. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill Co. New York, NY) quoting a letter by JM to William Bradford April 1, 1774, and James Madison, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Joseph Gardner, p. 93, (1974, Newsweek, New York, NY) Quoting Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by JM, June 1785.

Ethan Allen, whose capture of Fort Ticonderoga while commanding the Green Mountain Boys helped inspire Congress and the country to pursue the War of Independence, said, "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." In the same book, Allen noted that he was generally "denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian." When Allen married Fanny Buchanan, he stopped his own wedding ceremony when the judge asked him if he promised "to live with Fanny Buchanan agreeable to the laws of God." Allen refused to answer until the judge agreed that the God referred to was the God of Nature, and the laws those "written in the great book of nature." From: Religion of the American Enlightenment by G. Adolph Koch, p. 40 (1968, Thomas Crowell Co., New York, NY.) quoting preface and p. 352 of Reason, the Only Oracle of Man and A Sense of History compiled by American Heritage Press Inc., p. 103 (1985, American Heritage Press, Inc., New York, NY.)

Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said: As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian. From: Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Thomas Fleming, p. 404, (1972, Newsweek, New York, NY) quoting letter by BF to Exra Stiles March 9, 1790.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently on all U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy Hysteria.

The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers

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Date: 7/28/2003 7:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 4614    http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm265585.html  
Date: 7/28/2003 9:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    man how many times does this need to be talked about today!  
Date: 7/28/2003 9:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    Oh please, Not ANOTHER "bag on Christians post again"!  
Date: 7/28/2003 10:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 13897    this is intersting. i'd like to know your sources.  
Date: 7/29/2003 5:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    Why did Washington make a provision that each army unit should have a CHRISTIAN chaplin then?  
Date: 7/29/2003 5:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    John Adams was a Unitarian: Jesus is benevolence personified, an example for all men… The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equity, and love; it is the religion of the head and the heart (Letter to F.A. Van Der Kemp, December 27, 1816).
  
Date: 7/29/2003 5:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    the FULL quote from Adams states:Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
  
Date: 7/29/2003 5:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    http://www.gospelcom.net/watkins/foundingfathers.htm  
Date: 7/29/2003 5:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Kethria, there you go again! Those quotes were totally out of context; and if you would print the entire quote, the entire TEXT of what was said; it would clearly not be the same interpretation. Sheesh, when does it ever end....*sigh*  
Date: 7/29/2003 6:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    I think we need some more posts on this topic. Fact, Chistianity is and has been the majority religion in the U.S. The founding fathers personal religion is really irrelevant. The very vocal group of non/anti Christians here on USM are going to beat this dead horse till it drops. The pro-Christians here would do well to let it drop also and let the forementioned group scream itself out. Of course this isn't going to happen so have at it.  
Date: 7/29/2003 6:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    BCAR, Get a clue! There are NO "anti-Christian's" on this site. Just Pro-Truth seekers, get it?  
Date: 7/29/2003 6:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    "pro-Truth Seekers" LMOA! Take ourselves too seriously do we? As for "getting it" believe me I "Get It".  
Date: 7/29/2003 6:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    Besides I thought you already had the "truth" all figured out?  
Date: 7/29/2003 6:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    BCAR, YOU don't get it. It is the Christian's who "have it all figured out". Me; I'm still seeking; still learning; still GROWING, and I'm going to keep on speaking out against those who continually misrepresent and distort the facts.  
Date: 7/29/2003 8:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 10915    LOL@BCAR! I know exactly what you mean.  
Date: 7/29/2003 9:30:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27950    You choose, answer me this, why is it that when a Christian posts the same thing that has been debated here many many times your posts are full of glee and applause...and a non Christian post gets oh god not another post on this or another bag on Christians post.....
And next time if you have nothing to say that is relevant to the topic please do not waste text space.
Thanks
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Date: 7/29/2003 9:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 54987    I agree with BCAR when he said the founding father's personal religion is irrelevant.... however, they deliberately made it secular so that everyone would have the right to follow whatever religion they chose... or have the right to choose none. All religions are personal belief systems and belongs to each individual person. Their intent was that no one religion should be forced upon any citizen. Of course that was violated when children were taken from their Native American famlies and religion forced on them. We all know what it's like from looking at the middle east countries. There, religion is the law and it sets up fanatical fundamentalist groups that produce terrorist... NO THANK YOU.  
Date: 7/29/2003 10:22:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27950    Magenta, underneath the compilations are the sources of reference.
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Date: 7/29/2003 10:39:00 AM  From Authorid: 34487    I'm sorry I just called it as I see it but seriously, although I definitely disagree with your post overall, you are entitled to your opinion. As for my posts, yes I wrote a few of opposite view to this because Christians should be heard too. It's called EQUAL rights.  
Date: 7/29/2003 10:50:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27950    This post is not my personal opinion, this post was taken from tomes containing history. If you feel that strongly concerning the wrongs in this post, please submit them to the subjects of reference, all are listed.
You stated equal rights, as you and yours would like your truths to be told, the same goes for the rest.
To be taken seriously does not warrant the need to make comments such as yours, in fact when you comment the way you did, it only discredits you and what you have to say.
*****KL*****
  
Date: 7/29/2003 2:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    Okay KL but you never make any questionable comments right? I could give a prime example right now but I won't. Personally, I don't know why you are being so defensive here.  
Date: 7/29/2003 3:14:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27950    You choose, you started this, keep that in mind.
As for questionable comments, yep I probably have. Whats the point here? This was what happened here. If you feel the need to bring up something on me, I really don't care.
*****KL*****
  
Date: 7/29/2003 3:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    Okay, that's nice. I think there's nothing more to say here. Have a great night.  
Date: 7/29/2003 10:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 13897    oh i totally missed that. thanks! =)  

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