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Date: 8/23/2003 3:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
Definately should not be around children. If I knew that an employee had once molested - I would never take or let my child there. I understand that people can change - but that is just sickening.  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 3:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
I personally think that molestors should be castrated. |
Date: 8/23/2003 3:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
NEVER, EVER, EVER  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 4:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
A child molester should NEVER be around children. And, not to be graphic, but castration does NOT work on pedophiles...NO. Anyone who is aroused by children should NEVER be near children, EVER. |
Date: 8/23/2003 4:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
SO MOTE IT BE to that! I'm pretty confident these stories are true, but hey this is a debate n unless I have video taped proof (lol) then not everyone will believe me. This does make me hesitant to ever go in a CEC again (specially when I have kids...)  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 4:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
I wouldn't go back. I'd right a letter to the head honcho and tell them what I think! |
Date: 8/23/2003 4:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 44321
NO!!!!  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 4:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Too True, Queen Kaja....think about it, that is one place where parents expect their children to be safe. How many parents let down their guard & let the kids walk around? Go to the bathroom alone? Buy tokens alone? See my point.. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 4:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 44321
When we do go to fun places nobody goes to the restroom or anywhere else alone,even at my sons adhd clinic they have signs up saying no children can be in the bathroom alone,I take him in the ladies room,as much as he hates it I am not about to chance that some pervert is in there waiting for some kid to wander in alone. |
Date: 8/23/2003 4:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
Never  |
Date: 8/23/2003 4:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Even if you were to edit the title of this by replacing "...work around children" with "...live" I'd still say no. They do not deserve to continue breathing, let alone working. Peace,  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 4:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
to true and good for u Medusa. As I said we used to go to Chuck E Cheese and Showbiz a lot when I was kid (ever since I was about 6 months old from what I'm told.) When we were younger we lived in Des Moines (a big city, we also lived in other big cities) so mom always kept an eye on us. When we got to be about 8ish then we could run off on our own (but CEC was empty half the time then) or at least go to the restroom on our own. LSG ur right, parents expect it to be safe. So things like this are highly unnerving... |
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Date: 8/23/2003 4:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
*agrees* thats to true...and lord only knows how often that happens :/... I do know some people who grew up in homes with a sexually abusive step father (yet their mother didn't listen :/...) Thats just NOT NOT NOT right! |
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Date: 8/23/2003 4:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 44321
Even when we lived in small town Iowa nobody went anywhere alone when we were out. |
Date: 8/23/2003 4:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 57830
NEVER! its just not right  |
Date: 8/23/2003 5:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 11341
NEVER!  |
Date: 8/23/2003 6:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 29532
ABSOLUTEY NOT! NEVER EVER EVER EVER I put on in jail! I saw the pictures he took of a FULLY nude 15 year old, and I called the cops on him. NOW he is in jail, probibly someone's chick. (I HOPE HE IS!) That sick bastage, along with all others need to go to prison, like that one did. (Thanks once again to me for calling the FBI) Also, someone in MY life when he was about 13 or so was molested as well by an older man. Come to find out, he was not the only one, there were 30 others. He is STILL in prison and will be forever. As will Mr. Smith. If ANY of you want proof that What I am saying is true, search for it, it's around everywhere. I did an interview with a website director who reports this stuff. My name is in almost every article written about Gary Smith from Chicago ILL, or somewhere in Atlanta, GA. Although, there are a few papers that did not use my name because the FBI asked them not to seeing as he was not captured yet, and I was in fear for my life if he found out. He's gone now, and I could NOT be prouder of that.  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 6:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 29532
OH, and up here, in WI, If you are a registered sex offender, lemmie give you some rules they cannot brake. ( I know a guy who is one) 1. You may NOT change your apperance in any way, or you have to get a new picture ID for you sex offender card. 2. you may NOT be out of your room more than 6 hours a day. 3. You leave your radius while on your bracelet, you will be immidiately put back in prison. 4. If your bracelet goes off falsely, you must call your P.O. IMMEDIATELY! 5. You may not have ANY porn at all, no mags, no movies, no STRIP CLUBS! 6. You may not go to any school, park, or family center or place with children. 7. You may not live withing an 8 mile radius of ANY school or park, or public place populated by children. 8. You may not be near any child, even relative minor, unless supervised by an adult at ALL times. 9. You MUST Notify ALL families WITH or WITHOUT children within a 10 mile radius of your placement as a sex offender. NOW< those are just a few, there are OVER 50 demands and that is a wonderful thing. Sex offenders here in WI, get really harsh punishment. And I love it. |
Date: 8/23/2003 6:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
Nope - It's as simple as this. If you tell a dog not to eat cookies but you keep on puting cookies in front of it's face - it's going to keep on eating cookies. Solution? Take away the cookies.  |
Date: 8/23/2003 7:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Pink Bunny u are an angel! I just wish these people would report it. Most of them say it happened years ago (and most aren't with the company any more) but apparently no one thought to call the police in. Lol I think we need to send Pink Bunny in on em  ... |
Date: 8/23/2003 7:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 53013
NEVER! I don't believe these sickos can ever change! They should have a place just for sick minded people like this, they should never be allowed back in to society!  |
Date: 8/23/2003 7:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Gee, ,I'm really sorry, and I dont like child molesters any more than anyone else. YES some have been rehabilibated, some have not, but THEY NEED to make a living just like anyone else. IF they dont have any skills what does ONE expect for them to do. I figure in the working place, especially if its public, the parents should be with the children to take care of them. What you want they should starve to death?? I dont like them either, but they do have to EAT and pay bills too.  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
think about it, that would be like saying, well I dont want that athesist working there, ,as they may corrupt my child with their lack of God. OR I dont want that christian working there as they may tell my child about Jesus. OR I sure dont want that Iraq person working there, as my GOD, they have people that bomb things. NO, I dont like them, but they need to work. I dont like people that got out of the pen *prison* for murder and are out on parole, but guess what THEY work and live among us |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Firstborn I guess I must say on that (I'd say my thought on them starving to death but it'd soundvery cruel ) ur right parents should watch their kids, but should molesters (lord I cant spell that word lol) or people who have done that be able to work at places like CEC or any other kid targeted place? I mean maybe if it was per se` some fancy restraunt waitering or cleaning toliets at a gas station, but do they really need to be where their are so many kids? |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
hmm no offense but I see a bit of a difference between and athiest/Christian who preaches their beliefs (or even doesnt) or an Iraqi vs. a person who has harmed children... |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I hate to see it, but if they have no skills where they going to go? At least one good thing about a public place there isnt much they can do. I would rather see them working there, than say a janitor in a school, where they might have access to a bathroom where kids might be without supervision. I understand your concerns and those of others here. Dont think I dont. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Not really hon. As many that dont beleive think were a threat to them as well as we dont want their view discussed with our kids. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
I get ya, but wouldn't they have the same access to kids in a bathroom at CEC as much as a school or at very least almost as much? Sure parents take the younger kids in there but not all parents are good supervisors and they may just let their 8 year old go potty on his/her own...? Just a thought. But it is better then havin them in a school though to me its almost as bad. |
Date: 8/23/2003 8:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
No  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Although I do see what you mean as many parents dont watch the kids close, but what does one do with them? Like I said, some are rehabilitated, some are not and we dont know which ones are which, they cant just starve or not pay bills. It is something to think about. I see your point really I do. |
Date: 8/23/2003 8:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
I know I know  I see urs too. See what u mentioned is the prob, its hard to know which ones were successfully rehabilitated and which ones arent. So per se` CEC could hire a man who was formerly a child molester and he could be just fine, never do anything wrong. But then again he could also try and do very umm UN G rated things to a child (or ask the child to, so forth) so its like what do we do ya know? Also to be fair I dont know if these men were hired with a history or not. But these men did their acts, they werent rehabilitated from what I know, and they were sent to a new CEC location. Is that a good thing to do? Not in my opinion |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
If they were not, then no, they need to find a job that isnt around children. I do think that we should be able to know their record from the get go. This is a good and thoughtfull post hon. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
thanxs . Yeah I have no clue what their records word, but I mean if they were JUST transferred to another store I just cant justify that (lol I dont think anyone can ) |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Ok, hon, I've put in my two cents and now I'm out of here. Its just a shame that men and women for that fact can even think of doing anything like this to kids. I find it disgusting. Good night |
Date: 8/23/2003 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I do not believe child molesters can be rehabilitated and many have admitted to that fact. I neither care if they starve or can't pay their bills. IF they destroy one child, that is one too many. I have no consideration or sense of responsibility for a child abuser, or anyone who violates someone in any way. Let them find work in a closed office but surely not around children. To compare sexually abusing a child with exposure of religion or non religion is asinine. I fight harder against abuse, particulary child abuse, and domestic violence as well as work place harrassment. Keep them away from our children, and if that means they don't work or eat, too bad! We have soup kitchens for the needy. Anyone who cannot or will not abide by morals and laws deserve to be held to a higher level of scrutiny. If one rapes or molests a child, I don't believe he or she should ever work with or around children. I would never be willing to take that chance with my child or grandchild.  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:50:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Night Firstborn. I'm with ya shadow ghost |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Shadow ghost, you know I think the world of you. However, it can be the same. If you dont think so, just look at some of the post here. Two spirts on one post today, called us his enemy and God knows we know what thinker feels. I remember a woman that had feelings for anyone in life, what happened to her? |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I'm sorry shadow ghost, but I've seen such a change in you that I'm really worried about it. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
No one should ever tell compromise a child, in any way, whether it is "taking it upon themselves" to "educate" another child in religion or lack of, that is also child abuse. No one but a parent ever has that right. To try and take away another family's belief system is just as wrong as striking an innocent child in anger. No one has the right to TALK to another child about personal issues unless you suspect child abuse. Simple, very simple. Don't touch a child, don't discuss your beliefs with a child, leave them alone unless you suspect abuse, and only then report it to proper authorities. Never overstep a parent, never involve yourself with a child in such a way that you become potentially a threat to that child simply because you do not respect the parent's right to raise a child in their own culture or belief. As for the ones who seek out children to abuse, let them hang or starve, it makes no difference to me. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I agree with you about the kids, do not upsert a childs parents, however I do think that anyone over the age of 13 that asks questions should be told the answers. But as far as starving to death or what ever I don't agree with you. Guess I'm stupid but I still believe in humanity towards humanity. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Deb, nothing has changed, I am and always will be myself, I care very deeply about others, all others. I'm sorry that you feel that if we disagree that I am no longer someone who cares. I do, and that is why I speak up on only certain issues. Rights of others, the right to think, believe, or be different. Hurt another and you lose those rights, above all else, I believe in human compassion, having respect for others, I keep my beliefs very close to me, they are not the same as yours or Two Spirit, or Thinker, they are my own. I rarely step into these boundaries because of the strife and hopelessness I see here. Most often, IF I do write it will be with a passion, something will compell me to speak up. Almost always it is the issues of human rights and the strong feeling I have that all should have their own beliefs or lack of. Doesn't mean they have no compassion, and certainly unless you know that individual and what they do in life, REALLY do, any judgement would best be kept to oneself. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
But enough said from me, I'm going to go to bed, well actually I'm not. I'm downloading some music and enjoying the company of my husband. So I've lied. BUT I'm going to bed soon. LOL, perhaps not to sleep, but to bed. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 9:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I'm glad you still have compassion, I just cant for the life of me figure out why you have no compassion for people that might be hungry? Or need to pay bills. But I'm sure you have your reasons for this. I did not mean to upset you in anyway, as you my friend have always been there for me. I love you reguardless of our difference of opinion on this post. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 9:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Because, quite simply, I ALWAYS put myself in another's shoes. IF ANYONE hurts my child, my grandchild, I have no compassion, I have no regard for that person's well being. He or she made choices to HURT another body. HURT or ABUSE doesn't stand in my book. I"ve seen the consequences, I've seen the bodies, the mess left behind because of someone with no compassion for another HUMAN person cannot or is not able to control his or her own desire or selfish need to over power another, AGAIN, Starving is just punishment, when I reflect on the havoc done to the minds and bodies of innocents. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 9:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
well, I havent been in those shoes, so I guess I can not relate. None the less, its time for me to log off from usm. I wish you the best as always. |
Date: 8/23/2003 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
A child molester is lower than an animal. Polly Klaas's molestor; Danielle Runyion's molestor and killer, come to mind. They're not human, they're pure evil; sadistic feinds, who do not deserve to live among society, much less have anyone who has "compassion" on them by giving a hoot whether they eat or pay their bills. You can call me anything you wish; but MY love; MY compassion and consideration will always give priority to the human and the humane. Pedophiles are neither.  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 9:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I have been in those shoes, I've wrapped my arms around the mother and sister of a murdered chilc and knew that NOTHING I could say would comfort, knew no words to express. The loss is overwhelming. Murder or rape or violation's of another person's body deserve no special consideration to the violator. In our society, many of us are fed up with the "rights" of the wrongdoers. I can't understand the worry over a murderer, a pedofile, a rapist. Many get a second chance at acquring skills in prison while they appeal and appeal and beg for mercy. Some of us just don't quite care. We support the rights and integrity of the victims. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
oh dont get me wrong, I have never had to deal with a child molester as far as MY kids go, but I was raped when I was only 12 years old. I'm sorry but I cant see being awful to people that have messed up as far as child molestation goes, YES they are slime in my eyes, but THEY are also people. AND contrary to popular belief, some CAN and have been rehabilitated. We cant just pick and choose which ones, ,as WE dont know who has and who has not been. I guess that I care about people too much. Of course some on here dont think that I do, but then that is their own personal opinions. Now good night. If anyone has anything futher to say to me, then I guess I will see it in the morning. |
Date: 8/23/2003 10:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
arrrgg! i just lost my whole reply because i get kicked off if i take too long to reply! i am so torqued right now!  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
the long and short of it was i think the whole starving argument is bunk and so is the rehabilitation. regardless of whether anyone thinks a molestor has been rehabilitated, there is no way to prove it and i find it abhorrent that anyone would think of putting the needs of a molestor before the safety of a child. there are plenty of jobs to be had. maybe not the most attractive or best paying, but if one truely wishes to work they will find a way to do it. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
the notion of starving in this country seems ridiculous to me. so many are concerned and speak out for humanity and so many do reach that hand out to help. i have a pretty small circle of friends and family, but in my small circle there is a church that will provise an apartment and pantry, (and no you are not obligated to pay it back or even to attend the church) contributers to ronald mcdonald house which not only distributes food to needy families, but christmas, and they provide food, shelter, transportation, entertainment, and emotional support to families with children in the hospital, two peopple that work in shelters, an aunt and uncle that pick up and distribute bread and other grocery products throughout the city several times a week not to mention feeding large groups at their church. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Each of us has a different capacity for tolerance and understanding, I have none for anyone who harms children, none. Each and every child should be loved, should be safe, and their very innocence and dependance on us as caregivers and as adults demand that we take this so seriously. One of my greatest concerns ae children of mothers with live in boy friends. I have seen more violence, more abuse, more sexual abuse in these situations than any others. I work primarily in Endocrinolgy but I also work with a Peds Doc whom I consider a wonderful friend and a treasure when it comes to caring about the rights of children. She has no absolutely no qualms at all about testifying in child abuse cases and believes very strongly that people who commit crimes against children should always be "made aware of to the public". We both highly endorse and advocate the protection of children. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
right donheny IF THEY are skilled. I was talking to the hubby about this and HE agrees with ya'll. I cant understand how people can be so cruel about the lively hood of man. It really bothers me. goodnight |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
two people that gather truckloads of clothing and medical supplies to ship to africa every year, and so much more. that is within only the small group of people i know. i'd give anyone food or clothing myself, but i won't give money or allow a stranger to work at my house because the safety of my child comes first and i's see that as risky. my whole point being there is plenty of help and support out there without putting children at additional unecessary risk. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
To view existence as, "Well, we're all going to meet again in heaven someday, so who cares what happens here on earth?" is quite awful. Heaven may be a comforting notion, but it contributes to the hell on earth because of the callous indifference to human suffering it generates. This view of life on earth as a fairly unimportant way station, almost a footnote, to real life, paradise after death, is the cornerstone of most major religions. And it demeans human worth and dignity. I maintain that we may not, must not shrug our shoulders at human suffering. Any person or any child. I am sick to death of bleeding hearts for the perpetrators or killers of children. Whether they eat today or tomorrow is not the issue. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
i don't see it as cruel at all firstborn. isn't anybody in this country gonna starve less they are to lazy or too sick to work. it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to learn to pick crops or sweep a floor and there are plenty of jobs like that. as a matter of fact my dad works for a landscaper, learn as you go. he had no experience. and not only that, where we lived before, the canyon was full of illegals every morning and people came and picked them up for odd jobs every single day. i think it is infinitly more cruel to subject an innocent child that can't protect themselves to the advances of an adult and to be honest i can't even believe you would not only put a child at risk that way but out and out accuse those of us that disagree with you as being inhumane. i do my part to reach out to people and so do most people i know so you and take that idea and peddle it somewhere else. sounds like liberal hogwash to me and i'm not having it. you are quite welcome to your opinions but don't expect those of us that choose children first to applaud your idea protecting children okay? |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
here is an example of how this hogwash works. my girls were abused by their alchoholic mother. said mother tried to kill the oldest child several times and tried to make the youngest smother the oldest with a pillow. said children plus their brothers were removed from mother's care. poor alcoholic mom needs rehab and another chance. the kids went in out, in out in out in out from foster care to mom's house because said kids belong with mom and mom needs another chance one more time, one more time, one more time, because she is sick, because she is rehabilitatable, because she is their mother. meantime, the children have lived in a car, picked roaches out of the peanut butter, eaten coffee creamer for food, the oldest has been beaten some more by mom, the two oldest have been raped in fostercare, one has suffered undue abuse at the hands of the fostercare parents, another is doped up on thorazaine. well, the kids are grown, where is bio mom? pregnant with her tenth (of ten, has raised zero) drinking like there is no tomorrow for the first several months, and is now in rehab for the umpteenth time because she deserves one more chance. i have no sympathey. the last actual VIABLE CHILD was shuffled back and forth from foster hoimes and was not allowed to be adopted out until mommy got several more chances to pull it together. the child was two before she was adopted out, had not bonded with anyone, and was anti social because he foster mother used to keep her in a car seat all day facing a blank wall for inner peace. i REALLY don't care to hear anyone's crap about feeling sorry for these losers that torture kids. they always manage to find enough money for child porn or thunderbird, whatever their vice may be, so give it a rest. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Debbie-I recieve information weekly from the NJD (National Justice Department.) That is the Federal agency that collects information from the FBI, and local law enforcement. I am especially interested in crime statistics. I can tell you know, a pedophile is NEVER "cured". They can be taught to "re-direct", but chemical castration, electroshock therepy, etc, are all INEFFECTIVE on pedophiles. Because they are stimulated by children. Now, rape is a crime of power, and humiliation. It is not sexual. Pedophilia is sexual. And, as of 1997, when I took my last Criminal Psy-class, it was considered "incurable". Now, I do not care about how they will earn a living. I don't care about them at all. They will forever be a danger to children. So, I hope they get hounded to hell & back. Yes, I mean that. How about this? Remember the national story about Kevin Kitner? Down here in Florida? His victims Mom chased his butt from town-to-town & they charged HER with stalking? "He served his time"....yada..yada?? He was married & had children ("He's such a GOOD husband"..his wife).....Guess what??? They just re-arrested him for parole violations. They found 100's!!!!! of child porn pictures on his computer. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I feel, and this is the gospel according to LSG, the MOMENT they touched a child, they LOST EVERY RIGHT, ever....and no, my children were never victimized. I just feel that strongly about it.. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
oh, Doheney, that is so sad...I will light a candle for your children. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
oh and ditto and amen to shadow ghosts mention of secon chance at aquiring skills in prison. at the prison in our area i know they learn to grind the lenses of eyeglasses of medical patients becuase my mom had to wait two weeks for hers for that reason, and also, law library is computerized so there is also learned computer and typing skills. there is more too but i can't find out the details until monday. what would it cost me, a law abiding citizen, to aquire those same skills? good question i think. the benefits recieved in some prisons are more than enough rehabiblitation towards getting a decent job. it is certainly more than i got with what i could afford. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 10:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
thanks lsg, you are a sweetheart,. really, they are mostly okay, )the resilence of children is amazing!)but the oldest is pretty lost. i hope he finds a decent life for himself someday. the rest are doing fine. i am so proud of them for pulling it together and having a great life in the face of such lousy odds and a lousy past. |
Date: 8/23/2003 11:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Okay maybe while scrolling through a whole bunch of "child molestors are sick" with over 60 replies, I missed anyone ask what the age difference there was between these two co-workers. 16-21 year olds basically have the same "things" in common. The option to transfer an employee would be based on several different things. I personally worked with a man that was very perverted. He could turn anything into a sexual remark and did so at every opportunity. However he was not an equal opportunity pervert. He would never make comments in front of the younger staff, and in all honesty almost the entire store of people I spent 7 years working with were pretty much the same in the respect that perverted conversation and turning the smallest comment into something perverted was a constant..LOL. He was transferred to a bigger store and within days of his transfer he was sitting in front of the "Big Boys" with a resignation in front of him. Apparently he had made a perverted comment and two of the women that were present were not impressed. Bottom line, the "victim" in this case did not help anything. They settled for allowing the person to be transferred out and demanding anything more than that.  |
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Date: 8/23/2003 11:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Azairya from what I know the people who were harassed/molested were 16 or not very much older, and the people who were the harassers/molesters were way older, in their 30s or so. Not every story gave those details though. I guess to me it still don't matter. If a 21 year old did it to a 16 year old it still aint right... |
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Date: 8/23/2003 11:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Kaja, I disagree with a 16 and 21 year old. My husband is 6 years older than I am, however I was 18 when I met him. I have been with him for 8 years and I can't imagine considering that we are very much alike in the way that we think and carry ourselves, that if we had met two years earlier and I was only 16 and he 22, that much of what draws us to each other would be much different. That is my own personal standpoint. Regardless of the age difference IF a manager over the age of 18, *molested*, not dated an underage employee it would HAVE to be treated as a criminal matter and the state would take it over. It wouldn't be up to anyone to transfer the man anywhere. There are loopholes to this story. |
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Date: 8/23/2003 11:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
hmm I'll credit that could very well be. Thats why I put in all my *just use this as a scenario if you don't care to believe it* warnings . If a male or female employee (DM or what not) tried to approach a younger employee (male or female) like to ask them on a date or something then I see no problem with that. Now if the person says no and the other person keeps at it repeatdly lol thats a whole nother story . But if per se` this scenario did/or will happen (the one I gave in my story up there) that is still wrong, no matter the age. I mean if I was working at a CEC (or any store) and a male (or female) employee that was older OR my age pulled any of that molesting/sexual harassment (I don't think I need to go into details lol ) stuff on me, and then they were just TRANSFERRED I wouldn't find that all right. Heck I'd probably be very vocal and take it to the police but thats just me. So yes I conceed that if it was just the case of a dating relationship or what not then its fine. But if its something where its ACTUAL molesting or sexual harassment then I stand by what I said earlier lol... |
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Date: 8/24/2003 3:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 21867
Totally agree with Thinker on this one. Rehabilitating Pedophiles is easy...and cheap...you can buy their 'rehabilitation' at the local 'Guns R Us' for $10 a box of 20 shells. |
Date: 8/24/2003 4:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 62104
Without even bothering to read this....NEVER, EVER! There will always be that temptation.  |
Date: 8/24/2003 5:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 59418
I think that is rough, really really wrong. They should be fired and arrested.  |
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Date: 8/24/2003 11:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
If it were a case of actual molestation from a pedophile then I don't believe that they should be working in a setting where there is a constant stream of children running around. I loathe CEC as it because the place is always MOBBED and it is very hard to keep track of your children when they go inside tubes and bubbles and there are 40 other kids running around the place too. |
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Date: 8/24/2003 11:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 59876
our cec is laid out stupid with tables crowding all the play aread and the big theater area is in back and practicallt empty. one nice thing though is that each parent is checked in with their child(ren) and you can only leave with the children you brought with you and children are not allowed by the door alone at all. |
Date: 8/24/2003 12:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
As per the title of the post... NO of course not, no way should one such as that, have the opportunity to offend again by working around children. Since they do have to work, they should be only be working in a job that has NOTHING to do with children or anywhere in the viscinity of them, and yes there are those jobs out there... here there are plenty of field worker positions, planting seedlings in the forests etc.... I don't know bout everwhere (Only lived in 6 states around the continental US and HI)... but if one looks hard enough they can find something away from children, anywhere. imho  |
Date: 8/25/2003 7:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
they do this with teachers also, i had a teacher who was my 8th grade science/homeroom teacher, he would call girls trixie and flirt with them and such, he used to work at the middle school in another town then that towns high school, then the highschool i would later attend, theeen my middle school then back over the another middle school, who knows where he is at now, they also do it with priests to, its quite sick, these people deserve to be locked up  |
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Date: 8/25/2003 7:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
also, i called the cops numerous times on the priest and they just said i was a punk kid that hated his teacher, then a couple years later(this year actually) i went out with a girl whos father molested her, didnt find out till like 2 weeks before i moved, i waddled into his room to get her some aspirin and i seen her pictures spread across his dresser, nude ones at that, thats sick, your own freaking daughter, hes in a federal prison right now tho |
Date: 8/25/2003 9:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 30051
I do NOT think they can be helped. I'm with Agent Smith..Take them out back and shoot em! They have no reason to be alive. Let alone have people worry if they are hungry. I don't think they should even have an option of living.  |
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Date: 8/25/2003 5:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
well there are those who are falsely accused |
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Date: 8/25/2003 10:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Since the desire is to take pedophiles out back and shoot em, we might as well start picking off the kids that they abused too. Afterall we know it is the ABUSED that have the tendancy to become the ABUSER... |
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Date: 8/26/2003 11:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
true |
Date: 8/26/2003 2:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
actually the stats for the abused becoming abusers are down. knowledge is power, spread the word  |
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Date: 8/26/2003 7:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 53013
Az, I have to disagree with you statement about the abused becoming the abuser. I was abused as a child and there is NO way I would ever touch a child. |
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Date: 8/30/2003 12:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Gentel, you are female. There is a difference in the statistics for females. It's a very high number and I am too lazy to look it up, but most pedophiles have been sexually abused than not. In other words MOST pedophiles were sexually abused themselves as children. |
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