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Caucasian Club at Freedom High?

  Author:  1225  Category:(Debate) Created:(9/20/2003 11:20:00 AM)
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I came accross this article in the San Francisco Chronicle this morning. I was going to post it is the "In The News" section, but I thought that it would make a good debate topic:

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Club for Caucasians stirs up Oakley(CA) High school student surprised her idea turned into 'big deal'

Jose Antonio Vargas, Chronicle Staff Writer Saturday, September 20, 2003 ---

When freshman Lisa McClelland first proposed a Caucasian Club at Freedom High School in Oakley, she had no inkling of the stir she would cause in the quiet little town on the eastern fringe of Contra Costa County.

Three weeks after she began circulating a petition, signed on sheets of binder paper by classmates and town residents, Lisa's campaign has drawn national media attention that has led to a mixed community reaction. Some critics seem more focused on the name than on the activities of the club.

"This wasn't supposed to be a big deal," the 15-year-old said the other day.

To Lisa, the logic is simple: If there is a Black Student Union for African Americans, a Latinos Unidos for Latin Americans and an ALOHA Club for Asian Americans, then why can't there be a Caucasian Club at her school?

The Caucasian Club, as she envisions it, would be a place where students could talk about racial dynamics and how one's ethnic background -- hers being a mix of Scottish, German, American Indian, Latino and Irish -- affects people today, how her "whiteness," as she and others like her perceive it, affects those who aren't white.

The racial injustices and prejudices of the past, she said, "belong in the past."

But to some parents and students, a club with such a name is too divisive. They say it will do nothing more than reopen old wounds and perhaps create new ones.

Oakley is an predominantly white area already on alert. In 2001, someone fashioned a hangman's noose from a shoelace and left it hanging on the office doorknob of Jesse Gossett, an African American staff member and basketball coach at Freedom High. Last year, at nearby Liberty High School in Brentwood, someone left a noose hanging from a redwood tree on campus.

NAACP 'VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED' The East County chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has already weighed in, saying it is "vehemently opposed" to the name of the club.

"It's not culturally sensitive to the community we're addressing, especially in light of what had happened there before," said Darnell Turner, the chapter's vice president. "The club, in name, seems like a backdoor approach to separation. From a historical perspective, this will bring up fears."

The possibility of a Caucasian Club -- with a tentative membership of 20 people, most of them Lisa's friends -- was the talk of the campus this week, eclipsing discussion of Friday's homecoming football game against San Ramon Valley High School or this weekend's community Almond Festival.

Phones at her school and at her home have been ringing off the hook. CNN called Lisa at 6 a.m. Thursday; Fox News called the night before. The local newspapers have written it up.

"It's overwhelming," Lisa's mother, Debi Neely, said as she stood in the kitchen of her Oakley home. Neely said she heard her daughter's name and the proposed club mentioned on several radio stations as she drove to work on Thursday.

She expressed pride in her daughter. "If it takes one 15-year-old to make a point, to say that just because you're using the word 'Caucasian' doesn't mean you're being racist, then so be it."

DIDN'T FIT IN OTHER GROUPS Lisa, according to her mother, grew up embracing diversity, but she came home from the start of school upset that she didn't fit in the Black Student Union, Latinos Unidos or the ALOHA Club. There was the Power of Unity Club, an umbrella group that oversees all the school's cultural groups, but Lisa didn't want to join that, either. The only club Lisa signed up for, Neely said, was the Gay-Straight Alliance.

It was about three weeks ago that Lisa took the initiative.

Other students at Freedom High had previously tried to start a Caucasian Club but were told they couldn't, Lisa said. So, in anticipation of "some opposition," she began circulating a petition to get support before approaching school Principal Eric Valto, who has final approval on campus clubs.

About 300 students and adults have signed her petition; not all of them, Lisa was quick to note, are white.

And, as local newspapers and broadcast media picked up the story, the reaction has been more positive than negative, Lisa and her mother said. Some people, Lisa said, have suggested changing the name to avoid controversy.

"To some, having a Caucasian Club makes sense," one parent said on Thursday.

"I mean, why not? But couldn't she call it a White Heritage Club? That sounds more politically correct." One of many postings at Freedom High's Web site suggested calling it the "Euro-American Student Union."

WILL STICK WITH THE NAME But Lisa, who said she cares little about census demographics or the historical perspective of the NAACP's Turner, plans to stick with the name.

The club will take trips to museums.

Members will discuss history.

Everyone will be welcome.

Larischa Dorton, 16, and Kelly Andrews, 14, members of Freedom High's Black Student Union, heard about Lisa from BET (Black Entertainment Television) Wednesday night and see nothing wrong with her idea.

If there is a black club, then there should be white club, said Dorton, a junior, who said she's in the Art Club, the Leadership Club and the Gay- Straight Alliance.

"It's not this serious," added Andrews, a freshman. "It's either we all have our clubs, or we have no clubs at all."

Some Freedom High students weren't so supportive.

"This is so dumb," said senior David Borges, who called the whole situation "embarrassing."

'A LOT OF DRAMA' "It's just gonna start a lot of drama -- a lot of unnecessary drama," said Borges, 16, who is Portuguese and Italian and calls himself white. He is a member of the ALOHA Club; since he's had Asian neighbors all his life, he said he sees nothing wrong with joining the group.

"What is white culture? What are we proud of?" asked senior Clint Simons, 17, who said not many people would want to join a Caucasian Club. "What will people do? Dance the electric slide?"

Both laughed.

Gossett, the 50-year-old coach who found a noose hanging on his office door,

said he sympathizes with Lisa. "She's a freshman. This is a new environment for her, and every student here, every single one of them, wants to belong.

"This is not about race. This is about belonging," he said. Gossett showed pictures of the school's Black Student Union, its members from all races; at one point, he said, there were more white students in the club than there were black.

"To these kids, and perhaps to Lisa, race is not that big of a deal," Gossett said, adding he was the first to integrate Camden Fairview High School in his native Arkansas in 1967. "It's a bigger deal for us adults, who have experienced more, who have seen more."

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Date: 9/20/2003 11:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 52866    I think it's stupid...we're sposed to be going for UNITY, not SEPARATION.  
Date: 9/20/2003 12:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    She had a point when she brought up the clubs aimed for other races, but make a 'caucasian club' and you receive major backlash for it. It's so typical..  
Date: 9/20/2003 12:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 2030    I think It's all fair and good if there are other ethnic or cultural clubs. Being proud of who you are does not make one racist.  
Date: 9/20/2003 12:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 61999    I'm going to be foolish, and answer BEFORE I read any posts, heheh. (*wavies to Jestr, as I begin* "I'm back.")See, I can FEEL the distaste for the club because I am Black. I can feel it start. But then I think: This kid, she's right, you know? And I already like her because she went and joined the Gay-Straight Alliance Group -- something I'd do because I love gay men. When I was in HS, I used to go to the Latino meetings all the time. They'd look at me but I didn't care -- I like you and you can't make me stop liking you AND your culture, cabronecito. So, so long as she's inviting those that want to talk about "white" people -- I mean, whatever they're going to talk about, I dont know because EVERYTHING in this country leans towards whites so I'd like to know what, exactly -- then let it be. Good luck in getting people to accept it though, because in non-white's eyes, there are many things that aren't good when it comes to whites administrating their "White Pride" (Go ahead, come get me; I said it, lol). IMO, I don't care. I'm in NY; I'm engaged to a non-American, and I'm leaving this place in 6 years. ~~The Mighty DreamGyrl~~  
Date: 9/20/2003 1:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 24732    Well I was in German club in high school, that was sort of like a Caucasian club, because there were only white people in that class. But instead of having any kind of race/"belonging" based clubs, maybe the clubs should actually focus on doing something. There are other worth while clubs where you actually do something like art club, FFA, or theater clubs...  
Date: 9/20/2003 1:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    To not allow a caucasion club but allow other clubs would be discrimination based on race and last time I checked that was supposedly illegal in this country.  
Date: 9/20/2003 1:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 56910    German clubs rock. Anyway I think that if these black, latino, and asian clubs are allowed at the school why not one dubbed "caucasion club". It doesn't mean the people who join are racist. And if its open for all races and ethnicities then why not?  
Date: 9/20/2003 2:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 51463    I think it's stupid to be discriminating against one club and allowing all the other clubs based on culture - but then again I also happen to think having the ethnic background clubs are kinda dumb in their own right and were going to stir up trouble no matter what they did. I'll stick to the Latin Club =-bootz-=  
Date: 9/20/2003 2:49:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 1225    What surprised me was the reaction from the NAACP representative. I knew a caseworker for the NAACP a while ago and he helped me out of a tight situation in his official capacity. Being very, very white (and blond, no less) I was surprised when he did so. But he pointed out that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People needs to help ALL colors if they are to proclaim themselves dedicated to equal rights for everyone. Here's to Ron from NAACP!  
Date: 9/20/2003 4:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 56410    *sigh* We're not allowed to have clubs unrelated to academics. The most 'out-there' group we've got is Anime club. And thats Art + Japanese. I believe its FAIR for her to have her 'White Club' if everyone else has their club.. I don't believe its fair that people oppose it. I'd boycott the other clubs if I were her.  
Date: 9/20/2003 4:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 35160    i dont see what the big deal is, there are clubs for other races so why not a white 1. i say ppl need to grow up and leave that girl alone.  
Date: 9/20/2003 4:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    The senior who commented (Clint Simons) reeks of ignorance. That was a foolish thing of him to say.  
Date: 9/20/2003 4:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    I see nothing wrong with it.  
Date: 9/20/2003 7:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 17204    Look, there are clubs for other races and cultures so it's only fair for there to be one for her too. Its only EQUAL!  
Date: 9/20/2003 8:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    this is so racist  
Date: 9/21/2003 2:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 13119    I think she is a very brave girl. She is taking on the prejudices of a whole nation, she is taking on a subject that needs to be addressed.  
Date: 9/21/2003 6:27:00 AM  From Authorid: 28363    It's okay to be racist or race united as long as you are not a white devil ;p  
Date: 9/21/2003 10:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 49150    It should be fair for all ethnic groups to have their own clubs. If one race is excluded they ALL should be. Why is the white race of today still paying for what was done a hundred years ago. Some one give me one good reason why one race should be excluded from having a club when all other races can.  
Date: 9/21/2003 10:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 54987    I agree with the author. If there are groups based on skin color then it is wrong. I do, however, think it is ok for people to have clubs for nationalities... like German, Italian, English, etc. But they should be open to others, for e.g. those who are learning the language, or to get some cultural education. If I was a foreign language speaker from another country, I'd want to talk to my own kind. But skin color! No!  
Date: 9/21/2003 6:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 29806    I wouldn't worry about anything called the caucasian club unless they started donning white hoods and burning crosses in front of the other clubs' doorways. -ID-  
Date: 9/21/2003 8:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    It doesn't sound like she's trying to be racist or promote racism. There are as she said, other groups and Unions for other races and cultures, so she's entitled.  
Date: 9/21/2003 9:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    There is nothing wrong with anyone starting a private club and making a "_________ Only" stipulation as to membership. There are clubs for gays, clubs for Tall people, Short people; Quilters; Numismatics; collectors clubs, awareness clubs; etc., and whatever interest you can think up, clubs. There should never be any objection to any PRIVATE, NON-tax funded, non-govermental supported or subsidized clubs. If club is a private organization, it is allowed to discriminate all it wants. It receives no help from the government -- including the schools -- and the government has no say as to how it runs its program. No one has a right to tell them how to lead their private organization.

But, for example, if you have a club like the Boy Scouts who have access to public funding, and access to the schools for recruiting purposes. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want the right to discriminate, yet they want us to support them.

It doesn't work that way. If we support them, they need to abide by certain guidelines that befit a PUBLIC institution, one being NO discrimination. If they want to be able to discriminate, then we cannot -- and ought not -- support them one iota. The thing with this "Caucasian" Club is the way it is perceived by those who see it in the same kind of light as the "White only" "Aryan only" KKK or skinhead type of light; which it is not. I would have chosen a different name because of that stereotypical viewpoint of so many. I'd never start an "atheist only" club; for that would create such an outcry and it would just further seperate and alienate people. I'd call it a intellectual freethinkers society or some-or-other like that. :)


  
Date: 9/21/2003 9:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    I'd like to add that I do not believe that there should be an all-out recruitment for this club ON SCHOOL PREMISES.  
Date: 9/22/2003 10:36:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 1225    I agree with you that private clubs which pay their own way should have the prerogative of exclusion. But is that really the practice of America? Look at the Boy Scouts? If ever there was a government subsidized program, the BSA is one. Yet they are allowed to discriminate based on their principles of "morality". What are your thoughts on that?  
Date: 9/22/2003 11:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    I DID address that somewhat about the BSA>>>>>"But, for example, if you have a club like the Boy Scouts who have access to public funding, and access to the schools for recruiting purposes. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want the right to discriminate, yet they want us to support them. It doesn't work that way. If we support them, they need to abide by certain guidelines that befit a PUBLIC institution, one being NO discrimination. If they want to be able to discriminate, then we cannot -- and ought not -- support them one iota." >>>>> the most disturbing aspect is the BSA's denial of membership to boys...who do NOT acknowledge the existence of GOD. This sends a very clear and FALSE message that anyone can't be moral, honest, and a good leader, IF he doesn't have a god belief. The ACLU has argued that the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because membership is limited to boys who pledge a "duty to God", even if its primary purpose is not religious. Most importantly, it is using a school to discriminate against students based on religion.

The Boy Scouts routinely pitch their programs to students in public schools across the nation.



To add insult to injury, the armed forces recruiters in many states hawk their brand of bigotry with discrimination against gays and lesbians.

  
Date: 9/22/2003 11:46:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 1225    Well, that ought to teach me to read the whole darned post next time, eh?  

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