Date: 9/22/2003 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
That's a tough one, my mother is an immigrant, and technically so am I because I was born in the Phillippines, I think that they should attempt to come into the US legally, it IS hard, but it is also better to be legal...  |
Date: 9/22/2003 1:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Well, if one of your parents is a citizen, you're automatically a cizizen, even if you're born somewhere else.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 1:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 29532
No way. I think they should get even tougher yet by making ALL Immagrants know and READ, WRITE AND SPEAK English BEFORE entering our country.  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 1:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Too bad America doesn't have an official language. Until that happens, there aren't really any legal grounds to want that... |
Date: 9/22/2003 1:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Hmmmm..you know..I really think that laws should be tougher on illegal aliens and more lenient on those attempting to become citizens through the proper channels. LOL..Pink Bunny I have to say this about your comment. HOW do you expect people from other countries to master a language that WE cant even master half the time ourselves and it is OUR Mother tongue???  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 1:33:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Speak for yourself. I talk good english alot! |
Date: 9/22/2003 1:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
They wouldn't be here working if there wasn't work for them. I say close the borders, station troops there if need be and put a workable immigration system in place. Bring them in legal, get them in the system paying taxes and social security. As in the late 1800's require a period of legal alien status followed by proof of a command of the language and knowledge of government. Illegal aliens should be detained fingerprinted and deported, after a 6 month grace period they can re-enter legally. No American should be threatened by imigrants who come here looking for a better life. Thet's bring them in through the front door, not under the fence.  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 1:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
What about a guest-worker program? Where they come over as guest-workers for 6 months before going back home, then they have to wait a year to do it again. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 1:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
Yes but I had to have naturalization papers |
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Date: 9/22/2003 1:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
LMAO!!! Errrr..yea..ummm, keep telling yourself that dude..all you have to convince is yourself..heehee |
Date: 9/22/2003 2:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
Tough question. My thoughts on the matter are that there should be a guest worker program so we don't have "illegal" aliens. That way the rights duties and privlages of guest workers would be defined. Many people manage to become citizens through the legal channels so I don't really think that is what needs to be changed.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 2:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 48809
Well, unfortunately we can all disagree with how the government takes care of the illegal alien
affair and continues to discriminate against those of us who were born here and have always supported the United States... but if you think that they plan to listen to anything we have to say about how they handle this problem ... then we are all just whistling "Dixie".... because it's not going to happen!  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 2:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
I'd love to hear some examples, Posey. |
Date: 9/22/2003 3:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 56910
More and more people are speaking spanish and are fluent in it. we don;t have an official language, and spanish is more and more wide spread that i wouldn't be surprised if it became our official language.  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 3:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Now, I wouldn't go quite that far... |
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Date: 9/22/2003 3:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 53713
How is it that we are being "threatened" by immigrants bcar? I would prefer that people who want to immigrate to america come legaly but I can understand why they come here illegaly.Who would want to wait years sometimes even a decade to become a "legal" citizen. ~crescentmoon~ |
Date: 9/22/2003 4:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
I agree with Bcar's comment.  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 4:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
A decade would be the "fast track" projections now are about 20 years total. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 5:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Read my comments more carefully before commenting on them cresentmoon. Save yourself some embarassment. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 5:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
You wait for years because it is the right thing to do, so you don't have to swab out toilets because you can't get a legal job... |
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Date: 9/22/2003 5:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Exactly Keth, as a resident alien you have protection from being exploited. There are many good jobs out there, with benifits, and legitimate companies are not going to hire undocumented workers. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 5:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 48809
Examples of what? |
Date: 9/22/2003 9:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
That's a tough one because there are some honest hardworking folks who want to become citizens of the US and make a better life for themselves..which historically and traditionally has been the great pull of immigrants (legal or otherwise) to come here. We proclaim ourselves to be the home of the free and the land of milk and honey, but yet we turn our backs on those who enter illegally and want to ship them back out. Understandable in these times of potential terrorism and the threats and risks lying therein..but still a sad state of affairs when very few (if any) of us can claim to be "true" Americans in the basic sense of the word..most of us have lineage in our families from a diversity of lands..where would we all be had just one of our descendants been turned away?? There was once no legal or illegal..people came from far and wide to the "New World".  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 9:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
Just to clarify..I'm up in the air about this..my sense of fairness states one thing but at the same time I know that these legalities came about for in most cases very good reasons..if only times were as simple as they once were. Of course..who's to say they were better..a good portion of our ancestors came over here and just took the land from the Native Americans and cruelly mistreated the very ones who WERE here first..it's a difficult topic. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
sorry..I meant ancestors in that first post..not descendants..very very tired!! |
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Date: 9/23/2003 6:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Exactly what I'm talking about Posey, people who whine about "Illegals coming here and stealing our jobs". These are normally the people without the drive, ambition or motivation to go out ans seek those jobs. The same people who whine about "discrimination" and " being held down" it's all hogwash, how is it that an illegal alien can sneak in the country and be working within days, while an American citizen claims they can't find a job. It's about motivation and taking responsibility. These people have a right to come here and work, but they Must be documented, and in the system and paying taxes. |
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Date: 9/23/2003 9:35:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Examples of discrimination, Posey. |
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Date: 9/24/2003 2:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 53713
I re-read your comment bcar and I want to apologize.I should have read it more slowly but I was so hyped up about this subject. ~crescentmoon~ |
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Date: 9/24/2003 3:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 48809
Neptune, this is one example that you asked for...but of course there are more.There is a couple that I know who have lived in California for 40/45 years. About 5 years ago they decided to move to another state and were away until just recently . When they moved back to California and applied for their drivers licenses they were told that they must prove their citizenship and had to send to the two different states where they were born to each get a copy of their birth certificate, which cost them money , of course. I believe their licenses were expensive also as she told me that they incurred a lot of expense by having to produce these certificates along with their licenses too. They were understandably upset over this and when they asked the lady who was taking care of them if the "illegals" had to provide their birth certificates too ... she said "NO!" How fair is that that they are and have been legal residents all these years and yet they are the ones who have to PROVE their citizenship! Oh yes, soon the illegals will get free college educations , but they are the only ones who will. The state of California is raising the fees on the other students to make up for the extra cost! Did anyone ask the students who are no doubt struggling to pay for theit OWN educations if they were willing to contribute to the free education of illegal people? Hardly! This is called discrimination in my book!
Go to www.save our license.com this is an interesting site.
Bcar, I cannot say anything about who stole who's jobs.. I have no information on this and so I cannot rightfully comment on it! |
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Date: 9/25/2003 10:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Every state requires proof of identification to get a drivers license. When I moved to Ga. 12 years ago in addition to my previous license I had to provide a birth cetificate. EVERYONE should have a copy of their birth certificate and/ or a passport, a definate proof of their identity. I'd say your friends are more victims of poor planning than discrimination. |
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Date: 9/25/2003 11:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 48809
Bcar , You say that every state requires proof of identification ?...lol. you must mean for all of us except the illegals. lol. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 6:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Maybe California is different, and I wouldn't doubt that. recent events prove that we'd be better off kicking California out of the United States and building a big fence around it. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 8:14:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
I hope you guys like starving, then, because California is the biggest producer of food in the world... |
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Date: 9/26/2003 12:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 48809
We may not even have to worry about California before too much longer if things like this keep on... it looks to me like the "illegals" will soon reclaim it for their own! lol. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 12:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
I wish people would stop disrespecting California. Everyone focuses on its faults (no pun intended) rather than its positive contribution to America and the world.
I'll emphasise California's enormous agricultural industry (28,980,000 acres). Our top five exports are dairy products, greenhouse/nursury(flowers), grapes, lettuce, and cattle. So, chances are, if you're in America and your eating anything with milk or milk products, grapes or wine,lettuce, or beef (it's what's for dinner!) then, my friend, your meal most likely came from California. All told, Californian produce, beef, and dairy account for 12% of the US GDP, and that's not counting our computer, entertainment, or shipping industries. The California GSP in 2001 was $229,468,000,000 or about 10% of the USA's GDP. And the total value of the economy is $1.3 trillion, nearly 13% of the USA's $10.2 trillion economy, and the fith largest in the world. California is home to the most ecologically diverse region in the US, and among the most beautiful places in the world. From Yosemite National Park, to Death Valley National Monument, it is a state of extremes and awesome beauty. I guess all this California bashing is nothing but envy on the part of states that couldn't make it as independant countries... |
Date: 12/21/2003 9:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Citizenship in this great country should be a privilege that is treasured, not a right that is dispensed in an effort to curry support from a significant segment of voters. It seems to me that some politicians are willing to confer these privileges on illegal immigrants, not because the immigrants need them or because Californians can pay for the added expenses, but because certain polls will be favorable. This is detrimental to all affected parties. Good post!  |
