Date: 9/22/2003 7:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 6915
I vouch for that one. I've posted my share of poetry...and replied to little. The poems to me are boring. If one in particular catches my attention, I read. But i dont usually wander to that section.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 7:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Hey at least you are honest about it Shimmer Kiss...LOL!  |
Date: 9/22/2003 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
Woo-hoo! Go debate section! lol  |
Date: 9/22/2003 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
I also post and reply the most in discussions and debate. Your conclusion seems pretty viable to me. They want everyone to read and respond to their stuff but they themselves don't even reply.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 7:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I don't have an answer for that but you pose a good question.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 7:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 3688
I think many times poems are too intensely personal for another person to reply to in a fitting manner.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 7:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 15675
I read what I read lol no particular stuff and i dont always reply but usually I do if I have a thought on it (like this :D!) lol! I think its a sad state of affairs though like reviews, fiction, and poetry dont get many replies but most of it is quality stuff so it should!  |
Date: 9/22/2003 7:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 53909
I've posted my poems on here but I don't have too many. Every now and then I reply to poems on here. I love reading poetry but only ones that interest me or get my attention or whatever. I try to reply to them.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 8:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 33286
personally I think it is cliquish, certain people have their followings... that and the fact that some people are not good poets...(I am sorry, harsh reality time) and I personally have problems commenting on bad poetry (believe me, I feel I have written my share of bad poetry as well.)... it can also be hard to comment on something so heartfelt that you can't see past the content of the poem to the poetry itself.... I sometimes think that poetry should have two sections, one for people that just want placating comments and another for people that want honest critique... I would also like to see a rule (tough to enforce I know) where you would have to leave comments on at least two poems for every one that you post... but even that won't solve the problem...  |
Date: 9/22/2003 8:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 56840
Yeah, Hack is absolutely correct. Many poets don't take the time ro read other people's work though they may post what they will of their own stuff. And, mind you, a lot of those people may not be good poets, though they expect others to reply to their poems. If both the number of people commenting increased and also the awareness that not everyone is GOING to comment, hmm, maybe something could happen. I do think the poetry section should somehow be divided up into two or three categories, seeing as how there are poets here that really want to know how they can make their poetry better, and also the poetry people simply want others to read..  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 8:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 56840
Personally, I love reading GOOD poetry on this site. We have some amazing poets. I may even go so far as to say I have a favorite poet or two here. That does not mean that I am limiting my viewing of poetry to certain people. I read and reply to as much poetry as I can, regardless of who it is by. But there is the simple thing that Hack brought up, that some people aren't good poets, their area of expertise is simply in a different area.. I am not pointing at people, I am pointing at a poem's quiality. Some poetry I don't really want to read.. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 8:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 33286
my worry about the seperation though is that one side will end up with all more comments then the other side would get upset. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 8:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
AO, keep me posted on how that goes and where you end up with it. They sound like some realy good ideas! |
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Date: 9/22/2003 8:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
or REALLY good ones too..LMBO! |
Date: 9/22/2003 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
A person who is truly into poetics is probably spending alot of time fine tuning their craft or just simply writing it down. Their is not the level of writing and execution needed in posting a debate as their is poems or even short stories. That is what the USM readers club is all about.  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 33286
another thing is interests, some people like dark poetry and some like nature poems, others still only like stuff that rhymes, you can't blame them for sticking to what they like. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 33286
yeah Kurt, but a lot of people don't like joining groups, myself included, I think any solution would have to come on the front page... or somehow make the group more noticable. |
Date: 9/22/2003 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
Well I could wright a poem & know what I mean! LOL! But if you or another 10 person's read it, each could percieve a different meaning! LOL! Sometimes I can't reply cuz I am not sure what to say! LOL! But you do have a very good valid point!  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 9:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. It would just seem to me that those posting poetry are the ones that are interested in it, therefore they are going to make up the majority of the repliers also. When wondering where all the replies are, one needs to look towards their "peers" (of poetry) so to speak. |
Date: 9/22/2003 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
well i do write a lot (not much lately), but i really don't like to read people's poetry unless they ask me to. i don't think poets should have to only reply to poetry. i like discussions the most, and that's where i reply usually.  |
Date: 9/22/2003 9:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 35160
i write my poems to help get my built up emotions out, it makes me feel better. if some1 reads it and reply's gr8. if not oh well, life goes on. i read as much of the poetry section as i can. i dont respond to all i read cause sometimes i dont know what to say. ;)  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 9:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
oh, and i don't complain about not getting many replies on my poems. it's just not something a lot of people reply on, and that's fine with me. |
Date: 9/22/2003 9:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
Hmm... I think every poet on here should be grateful for the handful of comments they DO get. I'd rather have two comments left on one of my poems that actually are from people that can understand and relate to my poem instead of a ton of people just saying, "Good job; keep it up." Those comments suck. What's the big deal about getting a lot of comments in the first place??? I've never understood that. Sometimes a lot of my poetry gets viewed about 70 times (which I consider above average) but gets replied to very little. I think to myself, "Wow, is the poem really that bad... or does that mean that it's really too GOOD to think of something to say in a comment?" Whichever... I am thankful to get readers regularly. People will always complain about something! I wouldn't say that there are some horrible poets here... but that I can't relate to everything a person goes through. Is it bad to read a poem and not comment to it? Or any post for that matter... I admit, I read poetry more than I write it... so I guess I'm not the type of poet you're speaking to.  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 9:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
Plus, I have my own personal favorites... it's not my fault that I choose to read someone's poetry and not anothers... I've got my own taste. It's different with poetry than it is a debate post. You're putting yourself into that post and maybe that allows people to get a little more defensive if it does not get read or commented to... |
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Date: 9/22/2003 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Well, for the record... I just read some of Mustang-Renne's poems and they're incredibly moving. I'm not a huge poetry fan in general, since not much "moves" me anymore but her poems are excellent. There are many great poets on USM and I feel they do go unappreciated quite often. It's really not anyone's fault though, since USM has such a vast selection of materials to choose from and isn't strictly a poetry site. I guess that's why we all have to write for ourselves first and everyone else second. |
Date: 9/22/2003 9:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
A lot, not all, but a lot of the poetry written at this site is boring. I usually don't write poetry, but when I did it must have been either good or attention catching, because it always got more responses then the rest of the poetry.  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
oh and by the way. I do believe that the serious poets are posting to get an audience becuase a poem that isn't read is just a bunch of symbols with no meaning. Also the serious poet is looking for ideas on how to structure the poem what to keep, what to get rid of and what evokes emotion the most or simply wether the poem is speaking to people at all. |
Date: 9/22/2003 9:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 30051
I say we ship all the whiners to an island where the can boo-hoo to eachother all day:)  |
Date: 9/22/2003 10:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Well really...who's doing the complaining?? I hear people complaining now and then about the Poetry Section being overlooked...but is it really? I don't think so...thing with poetry is that it ISN'T discussion...as people have pointed out. Poetry can be an intensely personal thing...and sometimes reading it, feeling it is enough...maybe thats all some poets would like...rather than gauge any 'reply count'. I know that what I post in Poetry I do so NOT to seek replies, not to seek anything but release through writing that poem...writing it IS the experience for me...maybe thats the same for other people who write poetry, I dunno, like I said it can be a very personal thing. Really - there are many people who write poetry, so many paying attention to the actual 'Complaint - Poet' ratio is a better way of doing it. I know I often see posts in other sections complaining about lck of replies...so I don't think its any one 'group' that is more susceptible to complaining. Peace,  |
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Date: 9/22/2003 10:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
LOL@CoRyAnN's comment. :) |
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Date: 9/22/2003 11:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 33286
hiya Smitty, cool to see you bro. what you are saying is true man, but there are some people that are actually trying to get better at the craft, and it is a craft, one in which talent can only take you so far, I know for me for instance, I had to go to other sites to get some constructive criticism, and when I look back at some of my old stuff on here I sure wish I could edit it. lol...and while I do write for release, I also write for the audience, for without the audience you may as well just think the words. |
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Date: 9/22/2003 11:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Good point Timbo. |
Date: 9/23/2003 3:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 36901
I agree with Dreamer Poet. I have posted my share of poetry and haven't gotten many replies, but the replies I have gotten are very heartfelt and I appreciate them. Sometimes, it's hard to reply to poetry. "Nice poem" or "good poem" just doesn't seem to cut it. Most poems are very emotional and it's hard to know what to say. Well, at least it's hard for me.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 5:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 42945
I'm not much good at writing anything, but, when and if I do happen to write a poem, its exactly how I feel at the time of posting it and to me, just being able to write down my feelings at that time is such a relief....everyone has their own way of writing poetry and lots of times different interpretations arise from the reading of them....thats part and parcel of writing poetry in the first place..and I dont worry about how many replies I get to anything I post...not just poetry....hugs  |
Date: 9/23/2003 5:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 53900
I agree with Agent Smith...I think most of the time the poem itself is the reward and it is a release. I am not very good with poetry but I do occasionally write to get some emotions out and have only shared two poems during teh entire time I have been on this site and I have read many poems and just been like WOW that was incredibly intense. If I read something like that especially if I can relate to the subject matter I will message the person through the profile to let them know I read their poem and what I thought about it...I to have my favorite poets on this site some of them are extremely talented.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 5:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 38433
I've got to be in a poetry writing/reading mood, and when I am I'll post a poem and reply to a dozen or so. This doesn't happen too often though.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 7:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 62222
Because poetry is left to interpretation, you aren't going to reach every person through your lines. Some pepople, have a following because they have consistently delivered good verse over and over again. And yeah, there are some people who need work, in fact WE ALL need wok....never underestimate the power of editing. I have studied poetry as an art form. Rhyme, scheme, meter, form, tone, diction...all of it. I still prefer free verse but I also edit my poems a few times before they get posted. I love poetry and I read alot of it here, somtimes I don't comment because I don't have anything to say. Somtimes what people posted was too much of an open wound for me to feel like I could say something and not feel clumsy. I agree with Bethann, I would rather have 2 comments about the poem than 1000 comments saying "good poem". If all I can say is "good poem" I don't post the comment. Poetry isn't the Debate section. Everyone has an opinion but not everyone has an opinion about poetry. I do think it would be cool to do a workshop type thing where poets who admire other poets could ask them for help, but that is something that the poets here would have to organize and take care of....There is a Reader's Club set up by Tech and Insatiable that allows people to post a link to their work and get other people to read it and I know we are always taking members there.<RegretfulHalo>  |
Date: 9/23/2003 8:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 59418
yep. i read poetry sometimes...but i have to be in a poetic mood lol.  |
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Date: 9/23/2003 8:39:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I think some people may have misunderstood that I was not in any way comparing the debate or discussion section to the poetry section. I was merely stating that I myself enjoy the debate and discussion sections, therefore this is where I post and reply. Because I find this to be true of myself it seems natural to me to assume that since poetry gets the most posts per day and has the most posts over any other section, that the people posting in the category aren't replying to the poetry of others. |
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Date: 9/23/2003 9:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 33286
another thing that bothers me is when people post other poets work, there should be a section just for poems that have been published... I mean if I wanted to read song lyrics I would look them up, and if I want to read Poe I would grab a book... but that is just me. |
Date: 9/23/2003 1:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 34775
I've written poetry on USM for years now, and it bothers me when people complain about their poetry not getting read. Or not getting comments. Ideally, poets should READ more poetry. If you are a dedicated poet or writer, the best way to get better at your craft is to expose yourself to more of it. If you don't care, well, then don't read. I myself write because I like to, and I am proud of what I do write. I don't need replies to make writing worthwhile to me.  |
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Date: 9/23/2003 1:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 56840
AMEN to what Anabel said! I think she hit the bulls-eye of this discussion. :) |
