Date: 9/23/2003 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
Absolutely not, no need to explain.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 7:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 38601
i think so...but that's just me.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 7:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
if thats the case we should sue boyscouts, youth for christ, relgious schools, NAACP  |
Date: 9/23/2003 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
THAT is so funny; considering they have no problem with taxpayers funding private religious schools and organizations. "Together, we will reclaim America's schools, before ignorance and apathy claim more young lives".=
-- George W. Bush, Inauguration Address, January 20, 2001, preparing us for his already-announced plans to unveil an education plan on Tuesday that will feature taxpayer-funded vouchers for religious schools, in his Inauguration Address, January 20, 2001, quoted from Americans United press release titled, "President Bush Announces Religious Agenda on Inauguration Day"
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Date: 9/23/2003 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 14464
I think it should be ok to fund it. All it is is a school that just so happens to have gays/lesbians going to it.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
It has been funded for years without complaint. Seperation of church and state is not a valid arguement, and will be dismissed as cause. Segregation may be cause for suit, but if vouchers are allowed for religous schools, then it will be hard argueing the segregation issue.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 9:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
I don't think it should. While there are pros and cons for the idea let it be said that this is just making the problem of division between homosexuals and hetereosexuals worse. I thought segration in schools went out the window went out in the 60's. Do you want to go back to those days. And besides which, it would have to be a senior school because kids can't truly now where their sexuality is until they are a bit older. But besides that, what's wrong with normal schools!  |
Date: 9/23/2003 9:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Well, if funding is going to be allowed for religious schools than this should be allowed also.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 10:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
I don't think tax payers should have to fund any sort of private organization/school/church.  |
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Date: 9/23/2003 10:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 14464
kurtvedder, where do you get that kids don't know there sexuality? I've known gay people who have been gay most of their lives. i can see you saying that about elementary kids cuz they dont' even know anything about that yet they are barely discovering themselves in that way. But trust me people know what sexuality they are when they are in there teens. |
Date: 9/23/2003 10:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
We can't choose what our tax money goes to. I'm sure the Romans used their money on dumb stuff, still Jesus said give to Caesar what is Caesars.  |
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Date: 9/23/2003 10:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
aahhh but what I am saying is that how is a 14 year old kid supposed to understand the full intensity of the word homosexual and what it is to be one. Most of the homosexuals who say that they have been gay all of their life come to that realisation when they are older and they can look back. They are not mentally mature enough to make that decision in their mid teens! |
Date: 9/23/2003 10:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Public schools serve as a huge mixing place for all types
of children, whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Indians, wealthy, poor, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Baha'is,
Buddhists, Hindus, irreligious, fundamentalists, gays, handicapped, the whole human spectrum. When youngsters deal
with each other personally every day, they learn to respect varied classmates as individuals, and not react just to group
labels. I do not support vouchers for any "special interest". Simple enough, as a parent and grandparent, and a taxpayer, I support public schools 100%. Parents and grandparents need to be involved with the the child, and any school.
But if each special interest is allowed to run its own separate schools on government money, American society might be fragmented into cliques suspicious of each other. Jehovah's Witnesses might start their own tax-supported
schools. Or Klansmen. Or Polish descendants. Or Wicca witches. Or armed militia members. And every religious, racial
and ethnic group. Dividing children into separate "groups" will never bring about any understanding or acceptance. I don't support any "special interest" to be funded by my tax dollars.  |
Date: 9/23/2003 11:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 61977
ALL schools it being religious, race, gender or what have you should be supported by the government provided that is what the people want and vote for. HUGS  |
Date: 9/23/2003 11:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 28125
I don't like the idea of our tax dollars going to fund a project like this...how many other corrupt things are using our tax dollars...I just don't like it...that's what I think...  |
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Date: 9/23/2003 11:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 28125
Resilent One has a very good point... |
Date: 9/23/2003 11:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
AMEN GEORGE  |
Date: 9/24/2003 4:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
No it should be a private school, as should any school that caters to a specific group!  |
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Date: 9/24/2003 4:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
To clear up one point, this is not a new project or school, but one that has been in place for years. The reason it came to the forefront is that it is expanding. It is part of the public school system, but is also recieving private funding assistant. |
Date: 9/24/2003 6:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Tax payers should not be funding ANY type of private institution. If it is a public school following the approved ciriculum and open for ANY student in it's district then it's a different story. I do have a problem with tax dollars funding ANY type of private school religious or otherwise. and I also would challenge the tax exempt status of an organization (religious, racial, sexual oriented) regardless of their so called charitable efforts. These organizations should be taxed on the money they take in.  |
Date: 9/24/2003 9:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
Agree's with ShadowGhost and BCAR. Two Spirit, just because they have been doing it for years, does not make it right. Specials interests do not need funding by tax dollars.....  |
Date: 9/24/2003 4:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 62367
I read a recent article on Harvy Milk High School in NYC. They accept all sexualy orientation. In order to be accepted in this school you have to prove that you are in danger of dropping out because of harrassent. It seems that personal saftey is an issue that created the need for this school. This is very sad. As long as the school accepts everyone with saftey issues, I think it should be funded. If anyone wants the source of my information, please e-mail me.  |
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Date: 9/24/2003 4:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 62367
I read a recent article on Harvy Milk High School in NYC. They accept all sexualy orientation. In order to be accepted in this school you have to prove that you are in danger of dropping out because of harrassent. It seems that personal saftey is an issue that created the need for this school. This is very sad. As long as the school accepts everyone with saftey issues, I think it should be funded. If anyone wants the source of my information, please e-mail me. |
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Date: 9/24/2003 5:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Peridotcat, it would seem you have read some of the same sources I have. Unfortunately, most here have not, and only go by what is posted. St. Pete, by your last statement, maybe they should stop funding for the physically handicapped to attend public school. That is a special program. Maybe they should also do away with special education prgrams for children that are slow, or have various learning problems. While they are at it, they could do away with the magnet school programs for gifted students. That must cost a lot of money to fund and keep operating. If this school keeps kids from dropping out, and insures a solid education, then it is a sucessful program. Not to knock anyone here, but as dumb as our workforce has become, anything that will insure the education of the next generation needs to be backed. |
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Date: 9/24/2003 7:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
The Roman gov't of Jesus day was more corrupt than many gov'ts. Some of the leaders even thought they were God! Yet Jesus said, "give to Caesar what is Caesars." I know that doesn't mesh well with our freedom loving, independent western world view, but it does mesh pretty well with what Jesus said. Amazing, Jesus didn't think like Westerners...hmmmm...*ponders* |
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Date: 9/24/2003 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Private schools can choose to admit only the brightest or obedient of students, but public schools must take the
learning-impaired and unruly, with diminished budgets.
Public schools foster democracy because children must study alongside youngsters from varied
backgrounds. But vouchers and special interests could divide America into cliques, letting parents send their children only to
schools fitting their social group. And while the system is bled dry,trying to appease and support each one, where is the money coming from to fund these "special interests"? I agree with Bcar's comment 100%. |
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Date: 9/25/2003 7:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
Two Spirits, being physically handicapped has nothing to do with sexual preference. Public funding has to do with opportunity for everyone. Gay and Lesbian does not diminish learning capabilities as far as I can tell, so they should be afforded the same opportunity as every other child, not special treatment. I don't see funding for schools based on "heterosexual" classification....but if there were, you can bet that Gays and Lesbians would be screaming descrimination, and rightfully so. However, again I don't believe sexual preference has anything to do with education.... |
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Date: 9/25/2003 8:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
ResilientOne, I'm not following your reply???? |
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Date: 9/25/2003 5:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
st.pete, youre saying that public funding of christian schools is ok then? cause in fairbanks theres a public school that is christian |
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Date: 9/25/2003 6:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
St. Pete, it is obvious that you know little about homosexuality or it's effects, especially on teens of school age. I will not bother to try and educate you, since few here are willing to listen to facts anymore anyway. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 7:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
Nope Jestr, I'm not. Christian schools should be privately funded.
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Date: 9/26/2003 7:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
Two Spirits, are you saying I have to be black to understand Bigotry or segregation ? It's obvious that you think you are more educated than the rest of us, so please do tell. Give us the psychological results of tests given to homosexual students forced to go to public schools and the ill effects that it is having on them. Show us uneducated people how it is the school system and not possibley other issues in their lives that should lead me to believe that they deserve a private education funded by me. Please educate me as I AM willing to listen. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 7:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
St. Pete, your sarcasm shows your lack of knowledge, as does your choice of words previously concerning "sexual preference". People fear that which they do not understand, and most people do not understand homosexuality, or the effects it has on the people who are homosexual, especially the effects that are perpetuated by society. The research and information is out there, if one is willing to get away from the family.com sites and look for it. If one is not willing to do some research in order to educate themselves, then they should not expect others to do it for them. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 8:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
Two Spirits, last time I looked this was the debate section. Don't ask me to do your work for you. Don't go into a debate and send us off to do your research. If we are uninformed, then inform us with facts. Last time I checked, being either heterosexual or gay had everything to do with sexual preference. There was no sarcasm in my responses. I've asked you for proof to back up your belief that Gay and Lesbian students deserve private schools funded by tax dollars and you have yet to show reason. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 3:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
st well for christians to say you souldn't pay taxes to the gov't because you don't like what it's doing, would contradict Jesus. Because Jesus never said to not pay taxes to the corrupt roman govt of his time. So, if he said to pay taxes to a corrupt gov't of his time, it would follow that the same applies today. |
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Date: 9/26/2003 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
St. Pete, it is not a private school, but a public school. If you bothered to get your facts straight you would know that. It is said ignorance is bliss, and if one looks at your profile, it states you live in "bliss". |
Date: 9/28/2003 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 52140
I don't think that gay/lesbian school should be allowed. It doesn't prepare those kids for the real world and when they graduate, they might have some messed up view of the world. They will go from being around people just like them to people who are very different, even people who will oppose them and call them obscene names. Its sad that it will happen, but I think its irresponsible of NYC.  |
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Date: 9/28/2003 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 52140
BTW, how are they going to start an elementary school for gay children? 'Take a test to determine your sexuality'? Dont think so. |
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Date: 9/29/2003 8:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
LOL. Two Spirits, since you resulted in tossing personal attacks, your true self has been exposed. |
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Date: 9/29/2003 5:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
St. Pete, that was no personal attack, only the truth. In this day and time, there is no reason for anyone to remain ignorant to facts. There are many ways for one to educate themselves and learn the truth. If you choose to remain ognorant to the facts, then you are the only one to blame. I don't need anyone to do my reserch for me. I have quite and extensive library available to me on matters concerning the LGBT, as well as numerous files which I have downloaded from the web. I also do not care to try and educate those who do not care first to edcate themselves. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 7:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
Two Spirits, everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant ? LOL This was a debate for hells sake. Provide facts, give details, give reasons and opinions. But don't toss out insults like "we are ignorant" because we don't agree with you. It only makes you look bad...By the way, I don't think you are ignorant, we just happen to disagree on something...... |
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