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Date: 10/1/2003 5:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Oh my, you better put your hard hat on...LOL. Religion has gotten a bad rap. lack of religion and a belief in God has killed 100 times more people. Not that bad things haven't been done under the "cover" of religion, because they have. But it wasn't Gods will....it was mans.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 5:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i believe in survival of the fittest through death by natural causes or just not being superior to the things that harm them i.e. the rabbit that doesnt turn white during winter gets eaten, i dont believe humans can effect what evolution really is but like christianity it can be twisted for someones agenda  |
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Date: 10/1/2003 5:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
I agree with you King. Besides if only religious people KILL, then why are there so many converts to Jesus while in Prison? This means they were religiouse, lol lol Jestr: Yes your right it can be twisted to fit someones agenda, just as the catholics used it to fit their agenda that killed so many innocent people.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 5:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
that is how Hitler had the troops train. I know some former NAZI's and their testimonies. The Troops were not first train on military, the first thing they learned is evolution. Those like the Jews were not really people.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 6:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 61977
Put your high boots on Deb. I really do not agree with this post or the opinion of the person who wrote it. I believe that Hitler was a sick man. I have read a book on Hitler as well as many people invilved with the holocost and I am sorry Deb but I am not feeling you on this post at all. HUGS & KISSES,  |
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Date: 10/1/2003 6:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
drkptrs, wow, you know there are still some people today that said it never happened? How ignorant can some people be. All they have to do is view the footage as well as written accounts. LOL MRS mommie neely that is because I didn't write it, I found the information and thought it would make an interesting debate. I do believe that evolution, the survival of the fittest is what Hitler based his belief system on. We do know that he was trying to make a superior race. Some claimed that he was Christian, yet didn't beleive in the bible as being the word of God or of God himself? I personally believe that all men were created equal, apparently hitler did not. HUGS back to you my friend. |
Date: 10/1/2003 6:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Hitler was also a vegetarian, and an animal lover,...so that means what?  |
Date: 10/1/2003 6:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
Hitler was also a Christian, believe it or not. He was Roman-Catholic, was baptized in Austria, served as alter boy in his youth. In his day, hatred of Jews was the norm. In great measure it was sponsored by the two major religions of Germany, Catholicism and Lutheranism. He greatly admired Martin Luther who openly hated the Jews. Luther condemned the Catholic Church for its pretensions and corruption, but he supported the centuries of papal pogroms against the Jews. Luther said, "The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows seven times higher than ordinary thieves," and "We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them." "Ungodly wretches" he calls the Jews in his widely read Table Talk. Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord’s work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech. He also told General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." So if you are going to place the blame on evolution, just as much, if not more, must be put on religion.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Then why in Mein Kamp did Hitler say "White Aryans are the special creations of God, the highest image of the Lord, put here specifically to rule over the subhuman races: Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." ""Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord, finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created."  |
Date: 10/1/2003 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
Very interesting replies. I'm not sure what I think though.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 6:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Firstborn, you really need to start posting this kind of scraping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel stuff in the HUMOR section. All you are demonstrating here with this tripe, is that the Creationists will stop at NOTHING to win converts; and by ANY means necessary to hold on to their god belief. ANYONE, and I really do mean: ANYONE...who can equate evolution with an anti-semitic nutcase.....really is not someone that I care to trust on anything. It is NON-SENSE; and an OUTRIGHT: FALSEHOOD. YOU toss out the word: "misinformed", yet it is most evident in your posts like this just who is the misinformed , and that is: YOU.  |
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Date: 10/1/2003 6:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
I personally don't think evolution or Christianity are to blame for Hitler. I don't think he was as religious as he claimed to be in Mein Kamp but used it more as a political platform and evolution was not really a part of it anymore than Christianity. Darwin's theories of evolution were about natural selection not man himself exterminating a race. Chamberlain and Gobineau talked of the Aryan race and Hitler's ideas are more traced back to what they believed as a form of socialism which was around before Darwin's theory. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 6:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
I agree with you Base, I was just saying that if you are going to blame evolution, then you have to blame religion.... |
Date: 10/1/2003 6:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 32806
Go there Thinker, totally with ya there. Creationists seem to be getting real desperate to turn stuff like this out. One man twisting anothers theories to support their mad claims is sad, but in no way takes anything away from the theory of evolution. Genetics as it stands today contradicts everything about Hitlers perverted view on the human race.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 7:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Excellent post FB, I agree. Thanks for posting this.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
Humans will use anything to kill other humans. Evolution, religion, atheism, nationalism, food, whatever.  |
Date: 10/1/2003 7:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
FB what have you got against the catholic religion. Isn't it christian too?  |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Some selections from "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler: "The German people have no idea of the extent to which they have to be gulled in order to be led." "The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one." "All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it." "Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise." From Benito Mussolini contributing to the "London Sunday Express," December 8, 1935: "The masses have little time to think. And how incredible is the willingness of modern man to believe."  |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
A thought transfixed me: for the first time in my life I saw the truth as it is set into song by so many poets, proclaimed as the final wisdom by so many thinkers. The truth--that love is the ultimate and the highest goal to which man can aspire. Then I grasped the meaning of the greatest secret that human poetry and human thought and belief have to impart: The salvation of man is through love and in love. I understood how a man who has nothing left in this world may still know bliss, be it only for a brief moment, in the contemplation of his beloved. In a position of utter desolation, when a man cannot express himself in positive action, when his only achievement may consist in enduring his sufferings in the right way--an honorable way--in such a position man can, through loving contemplation of the image he carries of his beloved, achieve fulfillment. For the first time in my life, I was able to understand the words, "The angels are lost in perpetual contemplation of an infinite glory." In front of me a man stumbled and those following him fell on top of him. The guard rushed over and used his whip on them all. Thus my thoughts were interrupted for a few minutes. But soon my soul found its way back from the prisoners existence to another world, and I resumed talk with my loved one: I asked her questions, and she answered; she questioned me in return, and I answered... My mind still clung to the image of my wife. A thought crossed my mind: I didn't even know if she were still alive, and I had no means of finding out (during all my prison life there was no outgoing or incoming mail); but at that moment it ceased to matter. There was no need to know; nothing could touch the strength of my love, and the thoughts of my beloved. Had I known then that my wife was dead, I think that I still would have given myself, undisturbed by that knowledge, to the contemplation of that image, and that my mental conversation with her would have been just as vivid and just as satisfying. "Set me like a seal upon thy heart, love is as strong as death." Viktor Frankl Man's Search for Meaning Reading this book was mesmerizing, for I could not imagine surviving those death camps, and yet some did. The comparison here cannot equate to the true evil. It cannot. Evilness comes in many names, the halocaust has only one name, The Purest form of EVIL, where man was able to take the lives of men, women and children in the most horrible of ways. Nothing can and nothing should be compared to that. And how could it possibly be? |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Another thought, James Boswell, 1777, a great thinker, at least in my opinion, "That amiable religion which 'proclaims peace on earth,' hath not as yet made war to cease. The furious passions of men, modified as they are by moral instruction, still operate with much force; and by a perpetual fallacy, even the conscientious in each contending nation think they may join in war, because they each believe they are repelling an aggressor. Were the mild and humane doctrine of those Christians, who are called Quakers, which Mr Jenyns has lately embellished with his elegant pen, to prevail, human felicity would gain more than we can well conceive. But perhaps it is necessary that mankind in this state of existence, the purpose of which is so mysterious, should ever suffer the woes of war. |
Date: 10/1/2003 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Having read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, I cannot agree with this post. Hitler first learned how to sway the people while still in Austria. He learned what it was to say what the people want to hear, and also how to play on their deepest fears and desires. Mein Kempf is full of propaganda, which Hitler hoped would lead others to follow his thoughts. In fact, the book was a flop, with very few sales until Hitler rose to power. If one reads exerpts from the most dramatic speexhes he gave, he does indeed talk of the Germanic people as being a superior people. When it comes to the countries he conquered, or attempted to conquer, it was because he wanted more space for the Germanic people. He also had great disdain for different groups of people, because growing up, he saw people in those groups advance and move up in the world, while he ws ignored. He did not blame himself for his shortcomings, but blamed others for being different. Hitler and members of the heirarchy did not necessarily believe Jews, gypsys, and others to be inferior, but knew they must make it appear so, in order to draw the support of the masses. The Nazi propaganda machine was one of the greatest propaganda instruments ever created. From 1933 to 1938, it swayed almost an entire country to support not a mad man, but a genius who knew what the people wanted to hear. Hitler's downfall was in thinking that he, and teh few closest to him, knew more than those who were in the upper echelons of the military. With time though, even many of his closest and staunchest supporters turned on him, knowing they had helped a man rise to power that cared only for his own delusional dreams, and that he would see a country and it's people destroyed in order to fulfill that dream.  |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
whoever said that Hitler was a Christain, answer this question. Hitler hated the Jews. Well Jesus was a Jew. If Hitler hated Christains so much to have all of them killed for being Jews, then why would Hitler follow a religion started by a Jew. Why would Hitler bow down and pray to a Jew. Can someone answer that question for me. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Pyro that says it all roman catholic, I'll bet if the years were different he would have been part of the inquistion. Oh and just because someone calls themself by the name of a religouse group sure doesnt make them ONE. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
I don't know base why did he say it? Apparently one can tell by his actions that he certainly WASN"T acting in accordance with the will of the almighty God as the Jews are His chosen people. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Does it matter so much why he would bow and pray as much as it matters that his orders were carried through do exterminate human beings? Men, women and children. The man and what he believed in matters little, what he took from the world will never be answered, how can one put to words the taking of innocent lives, the torture and torment, how can we find any shred of humanity in his role in history. My insides have always quavered and become sick at the very thought of Hitler's Inhumaness against fellow man. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
The creationists can huff and puff and pontificate and posture and accuse and denounce and change the subject, they can re-write, revise, point fingers and lay blame and make all manner of noise, (as they've always done) but they cannot provide the answers to our objections. If they could, there wouldn't be nearly as many atheists as there are. There would not be so many different sects & denominations; religions and disagreements, squabbles and hypocrites, and so many wars,,, This is because they have no answers to these basic questions. Just like THIS post, there are only claims and wild-hair tales with NO basis of truthfulness of facts. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
ShadowGhost thanks hon. TWO Spirits, thanks for that info and your opinion. drkptrs lots of people say he was one, for myself, I cant see how he could be one or where that notion comes from. He may have talked about God or the Lord, but from what he says and what he does,or did, he sure couldnt be talking about God the creator or the Lord Jesus. Lord satan sounds more like it. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Hitler did have a fascination for religion, and especially for religous artifacts of any sect. He had teams who were constantly in search of such artifacts, because he felt such artifacts could bring him power that would make himself, and the Reich, invincible. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 9:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
As others have mentioned, you need only refer to Hitler's statements in Mein Kampf and in his speeches to document that he USED Christian doctrine to fortify his racism. We cannot help it if Hitler did this, but he DID do this. He said to his co-horts "Give me the believers; we NEED the believers". If you (like many others) wish to paint Hitler as an atheist, go right ahead. If you want to blame and or equate evolution and Darwin for his anti-semitic lunacy, go right ahead...You only degrade any case that Christianity promotes honesty in its followers, because to the notion that Hitler disbelieved in the Christian faith cannot be shown. It is no different than the Muslim's saying "They weren't really Muslim's" about the terrorists who BELIEVED they were doing God's will by flying planes into the WTC. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 9:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Two Spirits but it makes me wonder what it was religion or spiritualizm? as many that seek the later, think that artifacts can bring them power. Thinker he may have said it, others may have thought it but anyone that knows the bible and its word, Knows he didn't get it from there. OH and the people that flew into the towers, certainly were not going by the God I knows directions. The son of Sam said God spoke to him too , does that mean He did? I think not. Same goes for jim jones, and that waco from waco, you Know you could drink a cup of gas but that doesnt mean people are going to think your a car thinker. Think about it. |
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Date: 10/1/2003 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
I just wanted to say that there are some excellent replies here. ShadowGhost, I found your replies to be very interesting. And others as well, some great insights here that others have shared. "The Purest form of EVIL, where man was able to take the lives of men, women and children in the most horrible of ways" sums it up beautifully ugly.... |
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Date: 10/1/2003 10:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Yep King it does and brenda has some good comments. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 3:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
FB, in a way, nazism in pre-WWII Germany was a religion unto itself. Some of Hitler's followers, and it has been said that Hitler himself, dabbled with the occult. Hitler did indeed use the church to help further his ends, until such time as the church was no longer needed. Hitler had dreams of restoring Germany to it's pre-WWI grandeur, with the military/royalty heirarchy near the top, and him leading them. Early on in his exploits, especially right after WWI, he was cultivated by members of the military heirarcy who saw him as a tool to be used to help them. When the Beer Hall Putsch happened, he could have very well been returned to his native Austria, ending any possibility of a rise to power. Some saw in him though a charisma that people followed, so he was only sentenced to prison, and treated very kindly while there. It was during that time that Mein Kempf was written. There has been much written concerning the reasons for the final solution, but most of it was speculation. As far as historians know, there is only one set of records concerning the meeting where the final solution was decided upon, and those were the personal notes of one of the person's present at those meetings. One thing I might add, one of the earliest concentration camps built in Germany, before the war, had funding assistance from American backers, including the American Oil Company (AMOCO). The reason for that backing was that Germany was attempting to become self sulficient, and were exploring synthetic rubber technology that AMOCO desired. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 4:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people"--- -- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933, quoted from the Freedom From Religion Foundation quiz, "What Do You Know About The Separation of State and Church?" |
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Date: 10/2/2003 5:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
Thinker, Explain this, Why would he pray to a Jew, why would he follow a religion that was founded by a Jew, if he hated Jews so much. That does not make any sense. That is why I don't believe that Hitler would want anything to do with Christianity. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 5:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 16849
Well Firstborn, I don't know if you are a Christian either... all I have is your word saying that you are. I have just as much reason to believe that Hitler was a Christian. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 6:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
Derek, He USED......USED Christianity. Understand? U S E D it and the very anti-semitic Bible scriptures; USED the fear and control factors/methods, brainwashing, that is a huge part of organized religion. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 6:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
I can't understand why anyone would say that Hitler was a Christian. To say that Hitler was a Christian, is like saying that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpen are members of the Ku Klax Klan. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 7:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
Thinker, where do you get your quotes from |
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Date: 10/2/2003 8:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
Interesting that no one would even bother to try to answer my question, maybe they can't. Why would Hitler follow the path of a Jew if he hated Jews. No one could answer that question. Maybe it is because he wouldn't, and you know it. |
Date: 10/2/2003 8:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
And Hitler declared himself to be a devout catholic, what is your point? You don't honestly want to make the point that the theory of evolution is inherantly bad because a bad person believed it to be true? Ethnic clensing is not a new concept and you know it. So now we demonise that which we do not believe in, why don't we discuss the blood that has been spilled in the name of God? Oh, because demonising those you opose is childish, that's why. What possible point could you have with this debate?  |
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Date: 10/2/2003 8:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
Hitler also believed the sky was blue! |
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Date: 10/2/2003 8:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
This debate denotes a lack of inteligence and pure bias too Firstborn. Why must you demonise somthing just because you don't believe in it? |
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Date: 10/2/2003 9:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
Hitler hunted down not just the Jews, but also Christians, as well. Bible Believers, Hitler even wanted the Bible Banned. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 9:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
And this has to do with evolution somehow being bad in what way Derek? |
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Date: 10/2/2003 1:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Did I say that beleiving in Evolution makes one a bad person. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 2:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Pyro, christian is a follwer of Jesus, as Jesus was the Christ. Jews were and are Gods chosen people. If hitler were a chrisitan under conviction and belief of Jesus, of Gods word, ,then he sure would not have killed the Jews, KNOWING they are Gods chosen people, that they are the people that GOD first brought HIS message to. I will not go into it, but roman catholic follows many different doctrins that are clearly against the teaching of the bible. In the beginning the catholic church was against Jesus the Christ and His followers, because they hated the fact that the people were converting and they would lose power over the people. So they of course incorperated Jesus into their doctrin, but did it in such a way, that they are still going against God in so many things. As I said before IF hitler called himself Christian thats good and fine. LSG has her ministers degree and the bible talks of ministers, but does that mean she is christian minister? NO it doesn't.OH and pyro, this whole message isnt just for you, its for others also as I did answer all of this once before, but it got deleted because of a comment in there to thinkers nasty little comment, which I see also got deleted. ANYONE can USE Christiainity, just as anyone can use anything, satanism, buddism or anything else to accomplish or to trick people into believeing they are something that they are not. Thinker, perhaps some people in religion USE fear and control, but apparently you never knew Jesus, or God or HIS word or you would know just how lame that sounds when you say, its a huge part of organized religion. NOT saying it doesnt happen, NOT saying man men/women of the cloth dont do that, but that IS NOT what God is about, is NOT what Jesus is about. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 2:33:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Two spirits, very good info and I thank you for that. I find history very interesting. I asked before in the one that was deleted. Why do you think it took america as long as it did to come to the aid of the Jewish people when they knew for a long time what was happening? |
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Date: 10/2/2003 2:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
PHYDEUX. LOL demonise it? I have nothing against the theory of evolution other than it really doesnt hold water. By my reply above saying Lord satan perhaps, doesn't mean I'm demonizing it. If you knew what I believe, and that is what God tells us and what I've seen for myself, satan comes to kill , steal and destroy. Clearly hilter did the same thing. |
Date: 10/2/2003 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
How many parole boards consist of Christians? What is the biggest symbol of redemption in the Western world? THAT'S why so many prisoners "find" Jesus. Praise the lawd, I am saved. I'm ready to be a member of society again. Jesus told me I'm ready. So I killed 30 people. I'm sorry for it and Jesus has forgiven me so why can't you?  |
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Date: 10/2/2003 2:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Evolution is a shoddy theory with a few bright points. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 3:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Why gallytuck, how can you even think that all the prisons in this whole united states is made up of Christians? That is a lame statement. Just ask anyone that says Christains nor this nation based on Christianity is a majority. So show me some statics on how many parole chairpersons are chrisitan? MY point was that IF ONLY chrisitans are murders, then WHY are so many only just now finding Jesus in the prisons? Oh gosh, this must mean that they were unbelievers that murdered, ect ect. Not christians as catherine would presume. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 4:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
FB, the information I have read as to why we did not do anything sooner about the concentration camps is information that many do not care to hear or believe. First, although America did know about the concentration camps, there was only speculation concerning death camps for some time. Even once it was known that their were death camps, the magniutude of those camps were still unknown. It was known though that the camps required a large number of troops to maintain, and so did the transportation sytem required to move those people. Most of that manpower came from the SS, which were the most hardcore of Germany's troops. Had the Allies bombed the camps, and the Germans not rebuilt them, it would have freed up a lot of troops that could be used elsewhere. If you read up on the SS of Nazi Germany, you will find that many of them swore strict allegiance to Hitler, and that they would fight to the death for the Reich. In fact, any who were suspected of cowardice in battle, were publically hanged for other members of the SS to see. It is sad that so many died in the camps. The camps though did help to shorten the length of the war in Europe. Some have said that had the Allies bombed the camps, it is possible that those who escaped would have taken up arms and fought back. This is doubtful, since many refused to fight in the first place, even when they suspected what their fate may be. In the future, history may well view the Allies as guilty as the Germans for not taking action to destroy the camps. The problem there is that it is hard to second guess the actions of people long dead. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 6:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
FB I asked you why you were against catholics... it was in your post and you said that to answer that would be a whole new post. Strange, both that reply you gave and the reference in the post itself has been deleted. Only my qustion remains like a ghost in the works. Maybe its because there are catholics on this site and you didn't want to offend them... which is nice. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 6:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
two spirits, thanks for the info, I think all in all it was a very sad period of time and yes I guess its hard to second guess those long dead or what they were thinking or how fast they knew the informaition. I thank you for taking the time to type all this out for me. I appreciate it. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 6:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Koolade, I thought I did explain a little about that. You will have to forgive me but I don't remember which post it was on that you asked and which post was deleted? I have nothing against catholic people in the slightest, they don't apparently know the history of their roman catholic background. I do have lots against the higher ups that keep decieving their people in so many ways. And have since the days of Jesus. |
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Date: 10/2/2003 6:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
BUT its not just catholic, but anyone that would knowingly decieve people in the religiouse sect. |
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Date: 10/7/2003 7:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
Then why make a post discussing the corolation between one of the most hated men in history, and evolution, right after the debate I posted on evolution (a subject you know terribly little about, yet claim that you know it doesn't hold water.) I don't buy it FB. Play righteous all you like but demonisation of a subject is your style. |
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Date: 10/7/2003 8:29:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Why not make a post, other people reply. |
Date: 10/7/2003 8:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
If Darwinism justified and encouraged the Nazi, then its only fair to say Christianity justified and encouraged Slavery, Witch hunts, intolerance to Gays, non-believers, non-Christian religions, and so on.  |
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Date: 10/7/2003 9:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
I think not Rod, slavery was going in Egypt way before Christ was born, ,by Pagans. |
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Date: 10/8/2003 2:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Actually the slavery of blacks was justified because many believe their skin colour was the mark which God put on Cain. |
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Date: 10/8/2003 7:37:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Yes I've heard that too, from the Mormon church and as I've said Rod, you seem to confuse religion with God and His word. Two different things. |
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Date: 10/8/2003 11:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
This post is about linking evolution with the acts of Nazis, not everyone who believes in evolution believes that, just the sick unbalanced ones. I linked the Bible with horrible acts but I didn't say everyone does it. I haven't confused anything, I've just done the same as you but different sources. |
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Date: 10/8/2003 8:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
So now your using catherines tactic huh rod, saying I'm unbalanced. What ever. |
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Date: 10/8/2003 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
HERE IS AN "UNBALANCED CHRISTIAN" FOR YOU.....IN HIS OWN WORDS: QUOTE: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth, was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have for their wages only wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited"--- -- Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922, and published in My New Order. |
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Date: 10/8/2003 10:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
That speech alone shows that he did NOT understand the bible as He read it, the roman catholics were against christ so why shouldn't hitler mix up what was going on. He was no more a christian than you are thinker. |
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Date: 10/9/2003 1:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
"So now your using catherines tactic huh rod, saying I'm unbalanced. What ever." - If you believe the Nazis had the right to kill the Jews then yes! |
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Date: 10/9/2003 7:13:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Rod, try reading the whole post, try reading comments, try paying attention. WHERE in this big OLD world did you EVER get the IDEA that I believe the Nazis had the right to murder, mame and torture over eight million JEWS???? Have YOU in fact lost your marbles??? |
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Date: 10/9/2003 7:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Firstborn this is part of my post "not everyone who believes in evolution believes that, just the sick unbalanced ones." You reply with "So now your using catherines tactic huh rod, saying I'm unbalanced. What ever." - what is your reply meant to mean? if i call the Nazis the "sick, unbalanced ones", why are you classing yourself with them? |
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Date: 10/9/2003 8:41:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Once again rod, read the post as I'm not. Drink your coffee, wake up, read. understand. |
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Date: 10/9/2003 9:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
You need to read your own replies |
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Date: 10/9/2003 9:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
"From Authorid: 16671 So now your using catherines tactic huh rod, saying I'm unbalanced. What ever" - Did you not write that? Now you're trying to tell me you didn't, thats some JOKE. |
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Date: 10/9/2003 10:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Rod are you sober? OFF DRUGS?? I never said I didn't say that. I was responding to you reply above that , the ONE where you THINK I'm classing my self with the Nazis. God read the past six replies then maybe you will understand. I'm not going there again. IF your confused I'm sorry. BUT there is NO reason to be so confused. |
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Date: 10/9/2003 10:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 62118
Yes. uh huh Firstborn, you responded to WHEN I CALLED THE NAZIS UNBALANCED, claiming I called you unbalanced, unless you are a Nazi you're talking nonsense. |
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Date: 10/9/2003 11:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Ok rod apparently I read that the wrong way. BUT still where do you get that I'm classifying myself with them? In this post you will see that the POINT I tried to get across is that hilter believed in a twisted version of darwinism, evolution, survival of the fittest and kill the others. The man was sick in the head and a murder. I'm sorry I misunderstood your statement. |
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Date: 10/10/2003 6:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
Hitler was a catholic christian. He believed that the aryan race was the new chosen people of God. He wouldn't go for evolution. He would never believe that his precious aryan race would have come from apes! |
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Date: 10/10/2003 7:02:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
The evolutionary and anti-Christian beliefs of the Nazi regime are documented in The Holocaust and evolution, and Was Hitler a Christian? shows what Hitler really thought of Christianity. That is, when Hitler wasn’t trying to curry favour with the evolutionized liberal clergy .More recently, the Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion is publishing recently rediscovered extensive documents by one senior member of the US prosecution team at the Nuremberg Trials, General William Donovan, showing that the Nazis planned to exterminate Christianity. Similarly, many ardently atheistic evolutionists, like Stear’s hero, Ian Plimer, Australian Humanist of the Year (1995), pretend not to be anti-Christian, or even claim to be “practising Christians”, when trying to recruit compromising churchians to the anti-creationist cause. We should also remember that atrocities committed by professing Christians were completely contrary to the teachings of Christ, while the atrocities of 20th century Nazi and Communists were totally consistent with evolutionary teaching. |
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Date: 10/10/2003 8:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
When you claimed I called you unbalanced when I infact called the Nazis unbalanced, it gave the impression you shared their beliefs, and by me attacking the Nazis I was attacking you. |
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Date: 10/10/2003 8:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
BTW Firstborn, when you use the word pagan, how are you defining that? Old school, just whoever is worships another God is a Pagan? |
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Date: 10/10/2003 8:42:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
well rod seems to be just a mis understanding. Phydeux, No I don't think every one that does not believe in the God that i do is pagan. I'm laughing my read end off here, dont the two of you have anything better to do then follow me from post to post and argue with me??? Hey thats ok, and yes I know this is my post, but it seems like this goes on in every post, oh well makes life interesting. Got to go to work now, be back later tonight. |
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Date: 10/10/2003 8:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
Then how are you deffining a pagan here. You made the comment, I just want to understand you. And I might ask you the same question, you always seem to show up in all of my posts. I thought this was the debate section, so I pose my argument (besides, I am not on here enough to say I have nothing better to do.) |
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Date: 10/10/2003 6:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Show me the comment as I dont feel like going through them all. If I don't answer to night its because I went to play pool. |
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