Date: 10/25/2003 8:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
I'd like to see some answers to this, i've wondered the same things. I've been shot down by some very religion people before and its down right rude and hurtful. Just because i don't believe in the same as you am i not still a human being to be treated with respect?  |
Date: 10/25/2003 8:22:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Sparks, thanks for replying. i am glad you see my point. i do not know why some feel they are right to judge and be hurtful while promoting their cause to others  |
Date: 10/25/2003 8:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Apparently YOU do JUDGE people by their life styles, as your still being a waa waa baby because you got deleted in my post. ANd why did you get deleted??? Because you were not even commenting on the post but coming against me. In your reply to rusure when she called you down about it, YOU said, ITS not the post, its FB herself, so you didn't come against the post, you came against me because YOU don't like me. Honey there is no love lost here, but please tell it like it is, and the truth of it is YOU do JUDGE solely on the basis that you don't like someone. I still for the life of me cant figure out what I've ever done to you, as I don't even know you. But hey we have the right NOT to like someone, but here on usm we DONT or were not suppose to have the right to, ""Vulgarities, name calling, insults and comments unrelated to stories willbe deleted first. No exceptions!" And yes, you were imature. Now I have to go to work.If you cant handle a combative christian stay out of their post.  |
Date: 10/25/2003 8:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 3648
Well my feeling is no one has a right to judge another person. No one's beliefs are better then the next person's beliefs. We all are in this together so might as well make the best of it. Who knows maybe all our paths will end up at the same place in the end...just a thought. I don't think what I believe makes me special and all powerful, and all knowing. I don't go around knocking others down cause they choose to believe differently then I do. That is just plain wrong to begin with. But no matter where ya go there will be people who enjoy doing so. Go figure....cause it shouldn't matter. Oh well just my thoughts here..  |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:35:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Rusure IMed me FB and told me not to judge her by the actions of some christians. rusure has sense...and kindness. you are just supporting my arguement:) knew it would take little time for me to see you:) good to see that i will not have to do much supporting evidence in thsi debate. you made my arguement valid:) *huGz* |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:36:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
yes, I judge. I judge a person by their actions, not lifestyles. FB...so yea:) never said i didnt judge:) |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:37:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
GEG:) that is so very a nice thought. i always thought we would eventually end up somewhere together...we are here together after all:) |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 62240
hmmm well i think christians are just fine. its just like everything else, some just are not bright enough or wise enough to grasp everything that they think they or want to believe in. its easier to point fingers and tell people they are wrong and that you are right then to show anyone why they are. whoever is right or wrong on these kinds of things...who knows. but i seriously doubt if heaven has better seats reserved for peeps based on how well they can mouth off about theirs or anyone elses religious beliefs. they should just be happy with themselves. |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:41:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
badmojo. thanks for replying. you speak wise words:P |
Date: 10/25/2003 10:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 1225
Who is to say what is right and what is wrong? Who can declare what is moral and what is debauched? Who among us can show with authority what is true, and what is false?  |
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Date: 10/25/2003 10:39:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Neptune, I cant say i am ever right in regards to beliefs and nor should others. My whole thing is it is JUST a belief and to say someone else is going to some bad place because they do not mesh with your own belief system is wrong. thanks for replying |
Date: 10/25/2003 12:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
You will get no "debate" from me. Because I agree with you 100%. I admire your courage & willingness to tackle this subject head on. I do not wish to single out RuSure (Hi Barb! :) But, she once said "Teach by example". She does just that. There is a lovely, lovey Christian lady, who is so kind, I feel something inside me jump, when we speak, Her true love of her fellow man (and woman), is SO powerful, be it divine reflection, or her own nature, I love her. She is my sister, no matter what our beliefs. Look to Angels like Songbird, who shares her lovely faith, without damnation of others. White Dove, PamyJo, there are so many! I feel like they get shouted-down. I hope this post lasts. I imagine the few of whom you speak are already burning up their keyboards, playing the wounded parties. Peace & Love......  |
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Date: 10/25/2003 12:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I also rated this post, Even those who wish to remain out of the "crosshairs", please rate it & message the author. Thank you. Maybe USM can become what it had once been, |
Date: 10/25/2003 12:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 13974
I have to say, I agree with you all the way on tis one.  |
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Date: 10/25/2003 12:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 13974
This site is a great example for us to look at. There are so many here that I have a great deal of respect for (even though many of you wouldn't know it from my public comments.) And there are others, but I think you said it well. |
Date: 10/25/2003 2:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 11097
I've read your post and a few of the comments here... and I don't know the whole story as to why your feeling the way you do, but I thought some of the things you said were interesting. Nobody should ever judge, no matter what your beliefs are.... because that only leaves space for hurt, hated, and seperation. Sometimes we each may say things we later regret, or said in anger.... and nobody is perfect....and perhaps whatever happen... can be mended with friendship xox  |
Date: 10/25/2003 6:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
Is there no such thing as a combative Athiest/muslim/jew? Are YOU not being combative with this post? What makes YOU so special?  |
Date: 10/25/2003 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Well, I can say I've seen these SAME attributes in MANY self-proclaimed Atheists, wiccans or what evers on this site too. It's not an exclusive epidemic of Christians, as you make it sound. As for "this person" you're referring to in particular and I think I know who that is, I haven't seen name calling. If someone called you immature it was a classification of your words not of you, therefore no one called you a name. I'm sorry but you're on one side of the fence here and it's very obvious. The objectivity needed in life, just isn't being described here. As for a this "pack of people" you speak of, with the insinuation of Christians being that pack... I find to be amusing too. There is an EVEN larger pack of non-believers that continues to attack Christians on this site for absolutely NO reason at times. I've personally had this done to me on many posts where I didn't make any reference to my Christianity or God and it had nothing to do with that post but a non-believer used that information against me. It was obviously some ignorant attempt to prove some irrational point that was very insulting and rude. It goes both ways here, there are people that act all of the ways you described in this post and many of them AREN'T Christians. EVERYONE, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack there of, acts irrationally and rudely at times.  |
Date: 10/25/2003 7:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Amen YouChoose...Oops, did my reply make me part of some "pack"???  |
Date: 10/25/2003 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 62367
We all pass judgment on others. It's a very human thing to do. An initial judgment does not have to be a final one though. That's where getting to know others their ideas comes into it. Respect can be learned. The more you learn about other's ideas/beliefs, the more the person becomes real and less easy to judge harshly. The eclectic mix of people and ideas is what makes this site a good one.  |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
LSG:) thanks for replying and seeing what i am saying. yes...it seems that some think because they agree with another in any post, I am assuming them part of the pack. King, I thought you thought more of me then to attack someone as a group. I have seen a person or two, use christian friends names and insinuate that they have agreed with them in thie rcomments to others simply because they are fellow christians. I have those same people that were linked without their knowledge say that they have not said things or didnt want to be linked in that way. i have heard other chrisitans (IMO, wonderful examples) complain that they are being given a bad name by some of the trash that one or two talk. I have seen these same chrisitans that preach and preach who will go to hell go to another site and cuss up a storm and berate and argue. is that the kind of christian you are? I thought not, but maybe I was wrong. I also think that anyone calling someone's comments immature is calling that person immature...as i do not copy and paste my commments from out of a book or the web. I did read this others full post. I saw her COMMENTS though and that is what I chose to reply to. |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
OH! BTW...where this person called me names..it was deleted with my comments:) so we dont always have the full information and maybe shouldnt assume from one sided info that something is amiss with just the ONE person. I think my reputation by the whole of USM population is a good one. I have been here for three years and think I have gotten to know peeps fairly well by reading their words...after all they are a reflection of ourselves are they not? |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
I think I responded to all comments, except to say thank you for replying. some of course will still take the " see, we are yet being attacted again" stance...but I have not seen any of what i mentioned in my post myself. I am meerly responding to what *I* witness. I belong to no group that anyone knows of. how do you know that I am not one of "YOU"???? how do you know who the heck I am if I do not bring it into any of my posts and declare it for everyone to see time and time again? this is simply because I do not want anyone to close doors on me based on my beliefs or think I will close doors on them. I love my fellow man for who he is, not what he is. my debate still stands. choose, i have always thought you intelligent with most of the posts I have seen...I do respect what you have to say and thank you for responding. Phy:) thanks for responding. i always dont put my best foot forward as well...obviously to some and sometimes to most:) KELLY! LOL..I am special...so are you:) we ALL are:) |
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Date: 10/25/2003 8:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
also choose. if I were to see someone (no matter what their belief) being attacked by anyone unfairly...ak most, i stick my big mouth in there to stand up for them. it is what I do. I do not follow one person around and stalk them and berate them. i have just personally witness some horrid attacks on others by some of the same persons. i am kinda sick of it. we can say this is a g-rated site...but allow personal attacks and calls of hell fire and brimstone. scary shicaca for kids dont ya think???? |
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Date: 10/25/2003 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
yes, I see it, and I am so proud that you are speaking up and making clear what we all suspected. That a few, have shouted down the majority, in the name of a shared faith. And, oh yes, I have been on other sites were the "Good Christian" becomes the trash-talk bulling Christian. (Especially to OTHER Christians.) |
Date: 10/25/2003 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
No one has the right to judge. Both sides do it all the time, one side is not innocent while the other is guilty. If people would learn to leave their grudge matches out of debates/discussions maybe the posts could actually be about the subject at hand. I have no idea how pointing out what a few people do as you did in this post does anything other than perpetuate the animosity.  |
Date: 10/25/2003 9:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Hi CBlossom, while I will openly admit to *cringing* sometimes when I read some quite 'aggressive' replies from some Christians on this site...I would like to take some issue with this: "I cant believe the pack mentality of a few of the christians of this site. They travel in packs, spewing their hateful and hurtful words and then using christianity as some form of allowance to their behavior." Now, I agree that some do seem to 'move in groups'...but then that is no different to many other groups here at USM. I have seen a number of different 'Tag Teams' or 'Factions' who claim allegiance to ideals such as Christianity, Wicca, Lesbian/Gay/Bi/Transgender, Atheism...I could name you various 'teams' from each 'faction' that I have seen over the near 3 years here at USM constantly go on the attack for their belief. Constantly, as you put it, "spewing their hateful and hurtful words" throughout many many posts. If there ARE 'factions' who are aggressive (and I believe there are), then perhaps its a case of 'safety in numbers'...move in groups, coz their 'opposition' is certainly out for blood as well. But then that is my perception...as your belief/viewpoint on SOME Christians is your perception. Though ya know, sometimes I wonder which is worse...those who openly attack, or those who make out they are all nice and innocent and then flame/jab/stab/twist with a "What? Me? Never!" look on their face...Peace,  |
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Date: 10/25/2003 9:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
The whole point of my initial comment was to simply point out that the issue of your post, applies to EVERY group on USM. I meant no offense to you and if it came across that way, I apologize. I believe you would stand up for anyone, regardless of their religion, if being attacked for no reason other than stating their opinion. I do the same since I don't have a prejudice against anyone because of their religion or lack there of. On another issue you mentioned, I'll admit to agreeing with other Christians on posts. I state it openly when I agree, rather then rewrite the same point or opinion over again, there's no ulterior motive there. I've agreed with Atheists, Wiccans and many others on different views and don't side with someone simply because they're Christian. The same can be said about Atheists or any other group, since they commonly share views in a certain area, they often agree with one another and state that. One issue that I do notice, is how some people pick and choose what posts they reply to, solely upon who wrote. That's one area where I see a lot of prejudice around here and it's down right rediculous. If I'm interested in a particular subject, I just reply...I find out who wrote it afterward. |
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Date: 10/26/2003 8:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Many people copy and paste things for debate or discussion on this site. I asked to have your comment deleted and in the end I asked to have my post deleted. Anyone that actually read the post knows that I wasn't gay bashing, I was information bashing actually. As there are many that say that homosexual is not in the bible. I posted Bible scriputre that showed it was in the bible, and many say the gay gene is fact, I posted information showing that the gay gene is not fact. I've never said that gays will go to hell, and I have people in my life that are gays and that is between them and God. I will however continue to post about mis-information that is given out, rather by my own words or cut and paste from a site that can state it better than I can. And for the record yes I called you imature,I save offensive remarks, so when posts like this are made against me, that people CAN SEE the whole side of it. as this is what you said. Date: 10/16/2003 2:06:00 PM From Authorid: 20296 hmmm, makes me
wonder why it is anyones right to judge or debate another's life or
choices. make decisions whether they are right or wrong. this is simply
a copy and pasted arguement or two that FB posted. she is not capable of
posting in her own words and therefor, to me the debate is invalid. Date: 10/16/2003 6:11:00 PM From
Authorid: 20296 I will admit that this post is not bashing...as it is
not FB's own words. she uses them as weapons. the post states a
arguement..it is the reason behind the post, the person behind the post
and her record of baskhing anothers belief system or lifestyle. I guess
I am taking offense to the author, not the arguement."
Now cb I really find it ironic that you would say that no one has the right to debate anothers life or choice, when in fact this post debates MY life and My choices in that life, You are judging what things and decisions I have made in life, by referring to the other side, I've never denied that I can cuss, but I dont do it often, I've never said If I want a beer that I wont drink one. I've made a post on here a long time ago all about that. And the reason I did is because I believe in being HONEST about who I'm and what I'm about. But here you are *Judging* IF I'm right or wrong. You said no one has the right to debate another persons life, yet here you are debating mine. Do you find this true? If not why not? |
Date: 10/26/2003 8:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 48809
Since we are all human beings it is only natural that we will disagree with each other at times. We are all unique in our religious beliefs because even those of us who go to the same church will not always agree on every single issue. We are all at varying degrees of spiritual growth and must realize that what one of us believes will not necessarily be accepted by others, because we must sometimes "grow" into certain beliefs. I think most of us have had that experience and as long as we continue progressing what we believe is not so important as long as we demonstrate kindness and tolerance to one another and realize that we are all right where we are supposed to be at this moment in time. Most of us are steadfast in our beliefs and we may indeed be upset when someone disagrees with us.... if they approach us in a belligerant manner. Perhaps we should all learn to be more accepting to the beliefs of others and what does it matter anyway... what someone else believes and how will that affect us personally?  |
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Date: 10/26/2003 9:01:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
just so anyone knows. I have not backed down on this debate. i will be back later..after coffee. I have my reasons for posting this....and not using other groups (this time) I will also come back and reply to all that have responded. dont wanna be rude:P |
Date: 10/26/2003 9:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. God Bless.  |
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Date: 10/26/2003 5:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Deb its good to see you back, where ya been?? |
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Date: 10/26/2003 7:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Base. Thanks for replying. actually you make a good point. I am not solving any problems as I do not have much control over what is allowed to be posted and such. I posted this for a reason though. but, I do concede that I might have thought of a better way to handle this...or maybe not. I think bringing it out into the open (and I never pointed fingers...those who are obvious, were not until they pointed themselves out)is one way to address this. if you have another solution, please share. i honestly would just like the judgement to stop. |
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Date: 10/26/2003 7:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Agent. hi:) I think that some of the members of these packs do not even realize that they are being actually named and called out in posts. they are just brought up without their knowledge or consent. it is as some just assume that because some of us are friends we always agree with each other. I am not going to think because I am friends with any member here and we might share the same religion or maybe even took the same side in a debate or two, I can then continue to post and paste comments in their place. I havent seen so much "agression" from any other facton...yes, I take that back. i have, especially religion. isnt there a religious section here? cant we post all the damnation and hellfire predictions in there...or hey! prediction?? "I prideict Cblossom is evil and immature and going to hell" I mean i have been told that too many times by one peep....my problem is how many kids have been told the same thing? but I see your point as well:) I am glad to have some intelligent arguements to consider. and I do conssider them |
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Date: 10/26/2003 7:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
You chose...i did read that post first..in that other debate. I responded to the authors comments. I read....wasnt convinced, looked at the comments and responded to the author. that is debate to me. the continuing fact or feeling exchange or/and arguement. maybe I am wrong. but the author makes it personal and then I should ignore comment or supporting "evidence" to their arguement? but, I understand and thanks |
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Date: 10/26/2003 7:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
POSEY! thanks. I think that is a beautiful reply. I wish..I really do. |
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Date: 10/26/2003 7:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
DEB. thanks for replying and yes, we ALL need to learn that. I am not innocent of it...I cant say i have never cast stones. I have:( and not proud of it. however...those stones do not have little notes attacted saying the other person will be damned to some firey pit for eternity |
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Date: 10/26/2003 7:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Thank you for the reply CBlossom...thats something I cringe over too, when I hear someone has been told "You're going to hell", as if the person saying it to them was spitefully pleased about it. Yep, I've had people say that to me before too. And I like the point you make about friends...there are two here on USM I have a great deal of respect for. One helped me find my path...the other helped a loved one in their time of need...for that BOTH of them will ALWAYS have my respect, yet I disagree with some things they say...does mean my respect for them is lessened. Peace, |
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Date: 10/26/2003 7:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
*doesn't mean* sorry for the typo... |
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Date: 10/26/2003 8:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
agent:) thanks for responding to my responce. I guess I didnt eloquently state my arguement here..or maybe my own comments tainted it as they sometimes do. I feel very passionate about this, so much that i tend to go off on a tangent and not stick with my logical stance or whatever. and yes, I agree..whether we are right or not is another debate, but...friends are not just clones to oneself. how does anyone grow??? I like my friends to challenge me to be a better person, to see DIFFERNT points of view...but I also TRY not to be selective who I "allow" to escape my judgement or hells wrath. meaning...either all my friends that do not agree with my beliefs go to hell with my enemies or noone goes:P |
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Date: 10/26/2003 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Have you ever tried just talking one on one in private messages with these people instead of bringing it out into the open? Usually people can come to some sort of agreement and even find some type of mutual respect for one another when they hash out their differences. |
Date: 10/26/2003 8:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Well, it seems to just be an age old problem. I mean, according to the Bible, even Jesus himself had difficulties with it (i.e. the Pharisees). I don't think it is a problem that will go away. People are people and it takes all kinds. What is unfortunate is that it really is the minority that seem to be combative, judgemental, and at times even criminal (as in hate crimes). It gives the majority of truly faithful and loving Christians a bad name, since those who are this way are usually the loudest. Therefore, it is up to each person individually to decide whether or not they are willing to lend an ear to them and participate in the cycle...or just turn a deaf ear to the minority and focus more on the majority who practice compassion and love, which are, in my opinion, the "true" followers of Christ. Certainly, it is difficult to ignore at times, but not impossible.  |
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Date: 10/26/2003 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I feel Base makes a good suggestion there. Sometimes that's the best way to handle a disagreement. Of course, there's a chance it may not work in some cases but it's worth a try. As for this issue of people condemning others to Hell and so forth, I haven't seen anyone use those words toward anyone but perhaps it was truly done to them? I don't agree with any condemnation of any person and I can see where if this truly happened to someone, why they'd be upset. |
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Date: 10/26/2003 10:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
actually yes base, we have. it became more of a problem. but this is not just a personaly thing obviously as I see some feel the same way as me. i can just ignore damnations to hellfires, i am an adult. I also know that i am not stupid or immature bacause someone says so..but there are kids on this site that may feel badly being told some of the things that (again SOME) "godly and "good" peeps are telling them based on a lifestyle or belief that differs from theirs. I do not see why my POST is personal to any ONE person and if it became personal it is because someone else chose to make it personal. it did define a group of people, especially by the title...but I was adressing something *I* see here. but, yea...wish that could have worked. talking it out in private. so simple, yet so hard |
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Date: 10/26/2003 10:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Lady Nyx:) beautiful words. better said then I obviously did:) I do choose not to think ALL christians are like that. but ya know how many others I have seen turn from even considering that faith because of that small faction? we have a lady at work that does the same thing I am speaking of here...calling everyone on their own shortcomings while not being perfect herself. yet god forbid ya point out she is human too |
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Date: 10/26/2003 10:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
you choose. I should have could have and will forever more copy and paste what is said by some. maybe then you will see. I KNOW I am not the only one noticing this. I read in a post where someones sister committed suicide and some came on and said that person was damned. why????? why would anyone say that to someone, even asking. they are in grief and mourning and I didnt much take issue in someone playing god as much as I took offense in HOW the stated these opinions. sometimes....people are just mean. am i?? yes, I am human. I hope that i never turn that bad...I hope my reputation or my memory is not based on how many I turned to gods in fear but how many I showed love to and compassion and perhaps led by example of good attributes. I am tired. making little sense:P thanks for replying |
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Date: 10/26/2003 10:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I agree with you, that's a terrible thing for someone to say to another; especially when they're depressed or ill enough to contemplate suicide. Yes, we Christians act very un-Christianly at times...we are human and bound to fail. I know I've made comments now and then that I wish I could take back...regardless of how deserved or justified I felt they were. I don't go around condemning people but realize that some Christians may choose that unproductive method or approach. It's not only cruel but it's hypocritical. I also feel that sometimes...things are taken the wrong way on both sides. Sometimes a person may be quoting scripture but it received as condemnation. That's where over-sensitivity comes into play. Blatant judgments and condemnation are totally wrong though, no argument from me on that. |
Date: 10/26/2003 11:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 28946
Hi Cblossom. I am a Christian because I believe in Jesus Christ and accept Him as my savior. I make lots of mistakes everyday and I try hard not to judge others beliefs on religion because I believe that there are many different roads with different names that lead to God and Heaven. He is the ultimate judge and it isn't for me to cast stones at others. It would be great for everyone to just try to look at the good things in each other and be accepting. I don't mean to
not let lawbreakers go unpunished, you know. I'm still trying to figure out my own drivel and skeletons in my own closet and can't be worrying what's in someone else's closet. I figure that ewhat we do in life will somehow, someday be balanced out by God. If I'm not making much sense it's because I seldom do. lol. There are so many good comments in here and I like Posey's comment.  |
Date: 10/27/2003 6:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 20497
Lady Nyx took the words out of my mouth!!! I agree with her totally. I have been badgered by a Christian and it literally scared me right out of my church. I don't want to be like her but I have learned that I cannot look at individual Christians, they are not what makes me who I am. I have to look to myself and know that I am presenting myself in a way that God would want me to. I just do the best I can but do make mistakes daily!!! That's where grace steps in....
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Date: 10/27/2003 11:29:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Choose:) I understand all you are saying and I think you think alone:) I tried to state in my very first sentence that this is not to be taken as I am judging ALL people or christians. but if we are to assume it is us, may we not have some guil;t about some of what we have said in the past. I know I do sometimes. I look and think..geeze...i could have been nicer about that. |
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Date: 10/27/2003 11:30:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Penny:) beautifully said and bweasie the same:) thanks for replying:) |
Date: 10/27/2003 2:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 54111
How about Combative People? This post is aim toward christians which in my opinion are not the only people you are describing in your post. But that is my opinion. Maybe I am one of the "pack" but I believe sin is sin. No as a christian I don't say it to offend nobody I say it because its God's word. Find one person without sin according to God's word. Go back to Deb's statement.
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Date: 10/27/2003 4:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
my whole point is that when one casts stones of judgement while claiming to be a christian, are they not dismissing or forgetting the words of their own doctrain (sp) I mean...yes, everyone judges, but they do not always stand pointing fingers and then claim they are good christians in the same breath. it is like an ..hmm..english skills becoming a problem but it that not an oxymoron?? |
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Date: 10/27/2003 5:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I dont consider given facts about what is in the bible as pointing fingers and that post was NOT about pointing fingers. Even YOU yourself said Authorid: 20296 I will admit that this post is not bashing...as it is not FB's own words. she uses them as weapons" Once again that post was used for information and not bashing or pointing fingers. You have a problem with ME period. I sent you a messgage you would not even answer that. If anyone is being combative here it is you. Giving FACTS is not judging. Plus the fact that God says, ""2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
re·prove http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reprove
To voice or convey disapproval of; rebuke. See Synonyms at admonish.
To find fault with.
So until you know the bible, what is Gods will, what is not Gods will, what God expects, what God does not expect,perhaps you need to see that we are following Gods will, we are being Christians according to the word of God. WE are christians, it is you doing the judging on matters you know nothing about. I don't see how you or anyone can JUDGE what you think is a good up standing christian, when you take the scriputes you want and run with them, yet leave the others to push to the side. So go ahead and judge me, thats your right according to what information you believe to be true. I however am judged by no man, only God is the judge of me. Yes, your free to THINK what you will and so be it.
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Date: 10/27/2003 5:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
that is meant to say *giving facts* |
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Date: 10/27/2003 8:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
blah blah blah FB! I do not think I am the only one picking and chosing their words or scriptures. I am also sick of seeing my copied and pasted words. why not have left the whole dang post up so others could have seen it in its ENTIRETY> I could go back to previous debates of MINE and copy and paste some crud of yours as well. you, copying and pasting is not sticking to my post as I didnt name anyone here. you came in and brought yourself into it with rusure and any other peep you can. this is a habit of yours. not only do you use jesus' words to make YOUR point, but your friends as well. you copy and paste out of context and leave out some other information. YOU are the selective peep here....not me. i do not feel that i need to bring the prior posts or statements into this. I have also have had tons of email trash mailed to me....not nice words fb...going against your own friends. umm...I remember quite an issue of yours with...ahhh! ya know what, pooh! dont wanna fight with you. no point. I do not want to bring anyone else's names into this. but I have seen tons...things I know, christian or not..i have not done. |
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Date: 10/27/2003 9:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Now you resort to lies as I don't even have your email address. You will do anything to try and make your point wont you? I'll tell ya, to argue with you over this little junk is not worth my time. If you have nothing better to do, well I DO, so have fun with your lies and grow up. |
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Date: 10/28/2003 5:09:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
FB..nope YOU dont. others do. but that is so not worth argueing about....that is not the debate, whether or not YOU email gossip all around...although some of the emails seemed combative. i wasnt intending on naming any christians in this post. i did not want to call out and cast stones..at least not publically. you came in, called yourself out and proceded to call me names. I am going to not reply to you anymore in here. fruitless. and I DONT lie! promise |
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Date: 10/28/2003 8:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
CBlossom, hon, the whole point of acknowledging God is in acknolwedging the truth, and if it was your INTENT in this post (and He Knows what your intent was) to bring attention to one or a few particular people and how they act and your feelings toward their actions, then that is what is here on the table. We are all individuals, there is not one person here who is just like anyone else, and we therefore all have our own personality quirks. Some of those quirks may "turn you off" of some people, and if that be the case, then it isn't so awfully hard to "turn them off" by exiting out of their posts or not responding to their comments. God Bless. |
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Date: 10/28/2003 1:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
thanks deb:) I will try and do that. turn off those that offend. my concern is some of the others that cant just turn it off...but maybe it is not my job to save the world or usm for that matter. I shouldnt think I have that capability...just maybe I have to sit back and take care of myself and leave the rest to ...yes, god:P |
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Date: 10/28/2003 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
You say you were NOT intending on naming any christians and that it only got personal because I made it personal. CB you made a comment on my GAY post and it was **I** that told you that you were being immature. I never saw any other post where you were called immature by anyone other than me..So when you say "I do not see why my POST is personal to any ONE person and if it became personal it is because someone else chose to make it personal." You can honestly say you were not speaking of me? Seeing as I'm the only one that made the gay post, the only one that called you immature, so Why wouldn't I or anyone else believe you were referring to anyone else but me ? I think what disturbs me the most about your post is that you KNOWINGLY made it about me, anyone that seen my post, the comments, certainly knows that, YET your trying your hardest to be the innocent party in all of this. Sorry Hon, its not working.
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Date: 10/28/2003 6:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
lol come on, give people a little bit of credit, I'm sure almost everyone who read this knew one of the people you were talking about was FB even before her comment. You made a bunch of allegations in the post that were directly aimed at things she previously did. I could say this post is just a gentle way of slamming another person and a certain "group" and you're no better then they are just more subtle with your blows. I cringe at the going to hell also when I see it but if that's the worst thing a kid is subjected to in a day they're lucky. If a comment is bad enough the admins delete it, if they don't feel it's worth deleting then I respect their judgement, if you want respect from other people set the example, you get back from people what you put out. |
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Date: 10/28/2003 7:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
LOL FB! I didnt say it wasnt personal. I said I didnt make my post seem personal to anyone but those who would know who it was directed too. as I said to choose...sometimes we look at a post (I know I do) and see myself in their words, whether good or bed. you made it OBVIOUS to EVERYONE....not me. I am taking deb's advice and ignoring you now *looks the other way* |
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Date: 10/28/2003 7:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
base...the only people that would know that it is fb would have 1. known these things up there in my post to be indicative of Fb's behaviour or 2. been indicative of hmm...the previous times she called me names and the times we have fought about exactly this same kind of shicaca...(I could copy and paste tons from my prior debates and such as well...) or 3. read the comments and then decided it was ONLY fb who a combative christian. Yes, she may have been an inspiration to me..but I know some more peeps that fit this mold and they are all over, in my real life, here, ect. and as far as if a kid is told they are going to hell, your opinion as it not being damaging makes me wonder what you feel is okay for kids in general. yes, the world is getting tough, all the more reason for us to come together as a people and not judge, but teach love and compassion and understanding, acceptance...ect. christians should be the epitemy (sp) of all that. Christian=christ like??? |
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Date: 10/28/2003 7:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
actually, LMAO. this is not even a response to the gay debate. it is in response to another authors good post and yes, Fb and I were both there....but it is all about what *I* have seen here on usm...not just one instance. I have been a member for a long time and have seen some things I feel strongly against. I do not pick on one set of people. anyone who has sat and read my posts and has talked to me knows that. I also know that peeps have their bad opinions of me..just as Fb has many friends as well. i am judging posts and attitudes not personal people as I am not living 3D in your life. your words do mean a lot. the cut, the burn and when they do that to masses the trees fall and the forest is bled dry. ok..I am tired and loopy. going to bed. FIRSTBORN....lets go back to our original arraigement..i will stay out of your posts if you stay out of mine. perhaps we can ignore each other. after all this is a huge usm world..or is that a small...nevermind. |
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Date: 10/28/2003 7:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
OH! BASE:) you mad ea good point as well. i have decided I will lead by example. I thought I do that..although my example might not always be right and I wish noone to follow me to the pits of whereever I am headed...but I have decided to take your advice..ina round about way:P thanks |
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Date: 10/28/2003 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
How are you being Christ like in a post that's judging people? First you're presupposing everyone believes in hell when in fact they don't. There's a difference between someone saying the Bible says if you do this or that you're going to hell and someone saying, I hope you burn in hell. Show me an example of the latter on this site. When kids face drugs, violence, sexual abuse, verbal abuse etc. every day no I don't think someone saying that if you do this you're going to hell and they see it is that big of a deal. It's not something I would say but it's what the person believes. In the Bible it says to take the person aside and talk to them in private, I don't think humiliating someone by trying to bring what may be their faults out into the open under the guise of a "not to be taken personal" post which pretty much speaks for itself in my opinion is a very Christian thing to do. |
Date: 10/28/2003 8:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
Nobody has the right to judge anybody, whether they're blacks, Indians, Christians, Muslims, Jews, gay, straight, etc. Everyone is equal and nobody is better than anybody else. Oh, and another thing, I doubt there is a hell. I guess I'll find out when I kick the bucket.  |
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Date: 10/28/2003 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
We just need to live and let live. Judging others is a waste of time. You raised some interesting questions in this post. |
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Date: 10/28/2003 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I believe those who struggle with guilt are often the most critical of others. People in church who often criticize their fellow Christians are most likely the one's who have not yet learned to embrace God's forgiveness. They still feel guilty, so they're trying to alliviate their shame by pointing to the deficiencies of everyone else. (if you can't forgive yourself even after you God has forgiven you, can you really forgive others?). The opposite is true, in theory. The ones who have fully embraced their God's grace,who feel they have been forgiven much, return that forgiveness to other more abunantly, true? The guilty run from self-condemnation even though they are not being chased. I appreciate CBlossom's post because this issue DOES need to be addressed, and in my opinion, is long overdue. |
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Date: 10/28/2003 11:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Yes I thought that about a year ago we decided that was best. However I'm still in the dark as to why that happened or what was the root of it all, as I have slept since then and cant remember, must not have been too important. but yes it does sound like a plan. As most times your post dont interest me anyway. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 5:36:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
base..never said *I* was christ like. again, I used some examples to set an 'arguement' supporting my debate. I did not use names. I used some real examples and no, sorry to assume that FB is the ONLY example I have used is silly. she made it personal..noone would have brought up her name..and sorry, if "the show fits" kind of thing....but I again, used no names and I wasnt going to make this personal. again, i know a few christians that fit this in real life and usm. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 5:38:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Thanks for replying creepy and lsg. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 5:42:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
I just reread my post. the only example that i used that could possibly (and that would take some good detective work:P) that could be directly tied to one person would be where I talk about someone calling me immature. otherwise, i could be talking about ANYONE...so if the post sounds on a whole like ONE person...sheesh, that peep would have some serious issues, dont ya think?? and maybe they SHOULD reevaluate themselves. I know I would think twice if I fit this post..and yes, I did look at some of the comments and consider that some had some good points about my own behavior or motives. i took those into consideration as that is the purpose of debate to me. to share and perhaps learn to view the validness of BOTH sides of an issue |
Date: 10/29/2003 6:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 33925
The debate is over, but I will say..I knew it was Firstborn you were talking about immediatly..to think that people are so dumb or ignorant that we couldnt figure it out is a bit off I would think. If you dont like her, dont talk to her, stay out of her posts, steer clear of her and she should do the same..the internet is a HUGE place, you CAN get lost in the crowd easily.  |
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Date: 10/29/2003 6:23:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
Lady...she is one that I was talking about, yes. but not the ONLY one. I do not think anyone is ignorant and I leave it to people to make the connection or not. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 6:25:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
BTW..how curious that everyone knows that i was talking about her. either we are so popular and everyone reads EVERYTHING we say to one another or else someone is sharing more than we would think by posts alone. I am sorry..but EVERYONE didnt know to whom i was referring..but now they think they do |
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Date: 10/29/2003 6:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 33925
Actually I was following that post of hers about gays..I tend to be a lurker..LOL..and I am sure there are many others as well. I am not one to jump into a debate for fear of being trampled by a certain few for my beliefs, so I choose to just watch. I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe in Heaven and Hell, but some believe that I am ignorant because of my faith in God. I choose not to allow those people to upset me or insult my faith, and I choose not to put myself in a position to have to defend that faith. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 8:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
actually, this post was applicable about a lot of combative Christians, both on and off USM. My comments were directed at the subject in general, not at a particular person. BTW-I see people attacking (finegrpointing) at the author, and not the suject. This is a good post. LL being a "lurker" does not give you insight into a full picture. Unless you have Admin-tools & are given access to what is deleted, what is said in PM's, and private accounts, you only know PART of a story. Now, I agree, if you don't like someone, say off of their posts, and refrain from commenting. The best example from Christians (or any other group) is to show the BEST of the behavior. The Gay post, which people keep bringing up, was an example of some of the uglist, homophobic-behavior-wrapped-in-a-religion-shoud, I have seen in a LONG time. A LOT of people acted badly. And, not a few very, very valuable USM'ers were lost. So, to prove a point, or argue a viewpoint, real people, with real feelings, were hurt. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
a;sp, LL, with all due respect, the being jumped on for one's faith (or sexual preference) is very much a two-way door. How sad is it that reciently I was accused (or it was implied) I was a Lesbian, because I defend my friends who are homosexual? Must I be one, to defend one? Actually, if people spent a little more time in the RELIGION section, you would see that, though I am not a Christian, I not only defend the rights of those who are, but I do offer helpful suggestions & valid "Christian" links. My own three Children are Born-Again Christians. I dearly love them. I have many friends, who are also Christian. The point is, it is wrong when people act badly. It is worse when they act badly & try to cover it up with a religious justification to mask their own prejiduces. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 2:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
LSG what the heck are you rambling on about?? You are making NO sense to me whatsoever. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 4:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
then re-read my reply, LL, it is self-explanitory |
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Date: 10/29/2003 5:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
WEll lsg apparently you didnt read the whole post as it did not come against gay people as refute the gay gene. Lets not make it more than what it was. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 6:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Oh I read them BOTH LSG, Im just not sure why you felt the need to direct your replies to me since I nowhere directed mine to YOU. I was speaking to the author of this post and the author of this post only. Oh and for the record, since you say I dont have the whole story because I cant read author only...Well I guess that would include YOU as well right? After all you cant read author only, you cant read profiles and you cant read other's emails as well. So it would seem that you also only have part of the story. I KNOW Deb and I know her well, and I know where her heart is, and I know the standards she holds herself to. So I would say that my lurking was good enough on the post, since I know her heart. I also know that she is a woman of her word and does not lie to make herself look good. She does not deceive others, and she does not pretend things didnt happen that DID happen. At least when she is wrong she will SAY she is wrong. I would say that the Lord would be proud of her. Thanks. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 7:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
lADY LUCK. THE SAME COUOLD BE SAID ABOUT ME... just maybe not by you. so who is right? and this post said much more than "I do not like FB" sorry that she wanted to make it ALL about her and sorry that you are just proving my point by taking one person's side against another...bringing out a personal relationship with the supposed "accused". please...this is about more than one person. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 7:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
well, for the record, I can see deleted messages where I monitor. And, I directed some comments to you. As far as the "gay" post. FYI, I wasn't nack on USM in time to see it. However, one very dear friend, who did send me private emails, was deeply hurt. And, will not be seen back at USM, unless major changes happen. I believe USM is much, much poorer without this person, and a few others who choose to go elsewhere. So, I can say, I did not need to read the post, in order to see the results. I did see elsewhere, not on USM, where I was accused of being gay.(I am glad it is not on USM, as my 12-year old son is now a member here.) I see a big difference between arguing about a idea, and attacking (yes, attacking) people who feel differently. Now, to clarify, this comment is direted to no one person. It is one thing to have a religion, and have people question it's yeachings. To me, that is fair game. That is not "bashing". That is not attacking. That is discussing. I have three childen who are born-again Christians, Just today, my best friend, who was Catholic, became a born-again Christian & I shared teachings about the End Times & The Anti-Christ with her. Just because I don't believe as I once did, does not mean I do not know the Bible very well. Remember, I taught Sunday School. I still know the doctrine well enough to teach it to believers. If anyone wishes to debate any religion, I am comfortable enough to do it. BUT-there is a big difference between debating religion, and condeming a person, promising God's displeasure & eternal punishment, for loving someone a book, supposedly written by God, says will banish you for all time. You can debate written word, you cannot debate the human heart, That is my opinion. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 7:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
CBlossom, I am very sorry your debate was re-directed, I apologize. |
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Date: 10/29/2003 8:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
yes, actually THAT famous debate lost us a very kind a special usmer. but...again that was not the ONLY point of this debate. and no problem lsg. I understand, we ALL get off task at times, including me:) |
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Date: 10/29/2003 8:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
oh, just reread your comment. I do not think it was redirected by you:P it just happens, personal feelings and accusations always seem to get into these things. but yeah..i was upset and tried to stop that person from leaving as well. it seems that some people see ONE person in totally differerent lights. who is wrong, who is right?? I just know who is hurt at times....and it is not ONLY christians...it is people. people with hearts and souls, no genders, no religions necessary to define and make their pain more real or justifed |
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Date: 10/29/2003 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
yes, CBlossom. *sigh* & thank you for your understanding. |
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Date: 10/31/2003 3:11:00 AM ( Lin-Admin )
All comments are reviewed by the administrators and are subject to deletion at their discretion. Vulgarities,name calling,insults and *** comments unrelated to stories *** will be deleted first. No exceptions!...I Remain In Spirit, |
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Date: 10/31/2003 12:54:00 PM ( Lin-Admin )
OK and what part of "All comments are reviewed by the administrators and are subject to deletion at their discretion. Vulgarities, name calling, insults and *** comments unrelated to stories *** will be deleted first. No exceptions!" did we not Understand :|...Actually Blinking Eye Deb it's "I Remain In Spirit" but Thank You for trying :|...Have a Great Day...I Remain In Spirit, |
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Date: 10/31/2003 1:02:00 PM ( Lin-Admin )
........"comments unrelated to stories willbe deleted first"...I Remain In Spirit, |
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Date: 11/1/2003 10:40:00 PM ( Admin )
If you see others as anything but your brothers and sisters then you have judged. In doing so you will treat others with contempt and not compassion. Where will your God find the compassion to forgive you and teach you if you find it not in yourself. At this site, each of you are spirits on there way to another place. The gift we give you is the opportunity to love. What you choose to NOT love is your curse. 5 babies in a fire, a person runs in 4 times into the building and risks their life to save a baby. One the 5th time the persons says to themselves, I think I have done enough, I could try and save the last one but it's too much work. I've done enough and everyone will think highly of me anyway, for what I have done. I'm a hero and they will give me a medal. Well each of us is the 5th baby and each of us is the person saving the babies. Who is going to be the one to run back and who is going to take the medal. Your efforts should be tireless when your trying to share the gift that God has given you. When you put down that gift of love and pick up your self righteous ego you condemn yourself. |
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Date: 11/1/2003 10:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
thank you Radman-those words speaks volumes about who we are and who we may become. We need to choose our "battles" so wisely, and to really ask ourselves it this a good thing? Am I showing the best, or the worse I have within myself. Is "winning" ie: "shouting down" others so important? And showing others contempt, that is wrong. No one on USM should be talking down to anyone. Thank you again, Radman. |
Date: 11/1/2003 11:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
*faints* George, THAT is the best reply I think I've seen in a long time; and it is most appropriate. Also.....LONG overdue.  |
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Date: 11/2/2003 10:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
If we are all the fifth baby, George, I'll take your message to heart and try to see if my fifth try at saying this comes through: The "major changes" needed at this site would be a lot easier to identify if ALL COMMENTS were left up so that those people who leave comments can be "judged" by their peers (the rest of USM) on what is said rather than what one admin has decided is worthy of staying. THAT JUDGEMENTAL REIGN has driven away more people than ONE. As much as lip-service is given to specific reasons as to why things get deleted, THE TRUTH is it all comes down to admin "discretion" (aka JUDGEMENT;). God Bless. |
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Date: 11/2/2003 11:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
DEB-you could not be more wrong. First of all, this is Ginger & Georges web site. Period. They give the forum for discussion. They (George & Ginger) assign Admins at their disgression. That is their right. USM is not a democracy, it is a privately owned, privately run, discussion board. I would deeply dispute the idea of people leaving because of the Admins, as you attempt to imply. I would venture to guess far more USM'ers have left because of the harassment of members, than an individual Admin. Do you really think comments should remain, to be judged & discussed among the several thousand USM'ers who come here daily? Please, select groups of people here at USM cannot even agree on simple ideas, and you want the anarchy of expecting USM'ers to be self-policing? PLEASE! Even WITH Admins & Ginger & George, some older USM'ers who definately know better, push the limit time & time again. Arguimh with an Admin in the open forum is disrespectful Arguing with George or Ginger, is stupid. The internet is filled with chat boards. Remember, you are a guest here. Deal with the rules, or walk. That is NOT a hard concept. |
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Date: 11/2/2003 11:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
that was supposed to read "arguing with an Admin". That's what I get for watching the Bucs game & typing at the same time. ;) |
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Date: 11/2/2003 1:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Try as I might, LSG, I still can't find that word in the dictionary (i.e., disgression;). The word is "discretion" and it MEANS JUDGEMENT. I am not singling out one admin, I am saying that the admin's JUDGEMENT (and on this post it appears to be the one admin, see the purple type) who is judging who's comment can stay up here on a post that, if the actual GUIDELINES OF THIS SITE (OWNED BY GEORGE AND GINGER;) WERE FOLLOWED, wouldn't be here in the first place. So I ask you, WHAT RULES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? The ones that you, and the purple admin, and the author of this post follow??? God Bless. |
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Date: 11/2/2003 2:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I feel so bad for you DEB. You seem so unhappy. I mis-spelled a word while watching my Bucs get beaten. O.k., my bad. So glad you could point that out for me. *smile*. BTW-if you have a problem with the "Purple Admin" (aka Linda) why don't you discuss it with George or Ginger, instead of shouting & attempting to get others to support you? I mean, anyone who feels the "ppers" of USM should have a say in how things are run, must really need a cheering section. I am afraid your micro-critical comments, and rather pompus manner reveal a rather unhappy person who seems to delight in causing conflict & hides her behavior behind the veil of religion. Isn't it a bit difficult to type around the beam in your eye, while you look for the sty in mine? Or the "Purple Admins"? |
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Date: 11/2/2003 2:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Also, it looks like quite a few of your comments have been disappearing lately, could it be that YOU are out of line? As opposed to being singled-out, or vicitmized? |
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Date: 11/2/2003 6:13:00 PM ( Admin )
Life is shorts, that's why there so many sparks. :D Deb you still play chess?.. better refresh yourself if were going to play a game at Christmas.. :D |
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Date: 11/2/2003 7:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
once apon a time there was a committee. they were formed of hardworking and dedicated peeps. they had vision, they had fresh ideas....they had the4 backing of a lot of their community....but....where did they go??? I think that admin and deletions should be directed to the committee and talked about in a chat session or two??? I think inclusing the admins with that meeting and having the time to hash these issues out would make a lot of difference. but ya know what?? I am off topic. I still stand by my original post *looks up there at the story* but I am tired of fighting and dont want to be combative myself, so i am choosing to go and find my dang clous and float off to that sweet sweet place in my mind, "candyland" where nary a bad word is thought or spoken, where love abounds and everyone gets a lollypop:) *hands out lollys to everyone, even if I think they might be combative (christian or not). I tend to find that the sugar high mellows me out quite a bit:) |
Date: 11/2/2003 8:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
This is basically along the same lines of what I was trying to get across on the gay post. There isn't anyone that is innocent of the combative behavior regardless of their beliefs. To state such is a lie. No one here is saying that they are perfect. The problem lies with the audacity to use religion as a weapon of CHOICE. I stated it before and I will state it again. I don't care where it's written, who wrote it and what happened in the biblical times, we are living in a world today that is MUCH different. If I stalked up onto a post with my religious book that said all Christians are loony tunes, should I be able to do this JUST because MY religious book says so? I don't think so! It's called exerting some self control, tact and considering the feelings of the people reading your words. When ANYONE uses their religion as a way to hurt someone, you are wrong, regardless of what religious title you claim.  |
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Date: 11/2/2003 8:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
In all honesty FB, I am going to tell you what the problem with your Gay post was. I, myself read the entire post and while reading it, I thought to myself, hey this could make for a really good debate. I didn't find the information in the post itself to be hurtful and it made for a really good argument. I totally understand where you are coming from when you say that you posted it to point out that information about the gay gene on another post wasn't correct. That was all well and good. Then you had to go and throw at the bottom of it: So ya'll debate, I know what I believe in. The whole, haughty taughty, I am the righteous believer was like a knife in the side to those on this site that lead the lifestyle you were speaking about. It was the attitude and the arrogance in that statement that changed everything that post could have been about. Now you have two choices, you can come guns blazing and defend the air of attitude we caught from it, or you can really think about it, see why it was taken that way, and realize it's the main reason that people are combative towards you. |
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Date: 11/2/2003 8:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
I'll have my husband tutor me. He claims he can go five moves to checkmate 90% of the time :) God Bless. |
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Date: 11/2/2003 11:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
George I understand what your saying, but the presumption that only those of us that claim to be rightouse has ego problem, just doesnt sit too well. Especially when I see self righteouse , I'm innocent of all things comments from some on this post. My last five or six comments were not worthy of deletion, you can pull them up and look at them if you choose. But thats all good and fine. But I guess its ok when someone tells another they are stupid to argue with you and treat them as if they CANT follow a simple concept. I'm sure this will get deleted too, but at least I'm getting it off my chest, just like the rest that have answered since you commented. Some of these comments are so sugary sweet and condensending they make me want to puke.
CB as far as the committee goes, I don't even know if it is still going. |
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Date: 11/2/2003 11:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
AZ, that is bull, what I'm not allowed to say what I beleive in? I gave the informtion and I gave my opinon, I wasn't being haughty taughty as YOU would suppose, I was giving my OPINION. I never said I was the righteouse believer, I said IT IS IN THE BIBLE and THERE IS NO FACT of gay genes. That is what I KNOW as truth and believe as even the scientist said it. NOW see that is the problem, with you and others, YOU assume that all my opinions have to do with the bible, YOU assume that I'm acting holier than thou. So you can have to choice AZ, you can read a comment and think about a person saying and not a religouse person, or you can think what you want and walk from the post. You take things the WAY *YOU* see them, that doesnt mean that is the WAY I"M THINKING. What are you a mind reader? If so then heck, lets not debate anything anymore cause AZ has all the answer and KNOWS all the personalities and when they are walking in that personality. Geeze. |
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Date: 11/3/2003 6:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Fb, YOU may not think you were being haughty taughty, but obviously a lot of other people thought you were. So there blows my know it all stance right out of the water as this isn't the first time you have been told about the righteous attitude being the problem and NOT your religion. Maybe one day you will open up your eyes, read what comes out of your own mouth and see where other people find that you come off as holier than thou. You can be as much of a sinner as the next guy, but you still come off with the attitude that you have the better belief system and that is how you came off with the gay post whether you see it or not. I could really care less about the situation and offered to tell you the reason people went up one side of you and down the other on that post. And like I stated, it had nothing to do with the post itself, and in all actuality, I did find the post to be informative and I am sure that others did as well. Accept or don't accept that the post became meaningless with the last line. You should know why people reacted the way they did and whether you like it or not, THAT was the reason. |
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Date: 11/3/2003 7:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
You explained that every well AZ, but you explained it better in the personal message, so I agree, I may come off looking like that, or acting like that but they DONT know me, or they wouldnt think that. |
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Date: 11/3/2003 8:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Fb, and people won't get to know you either. You have to make the changes with the way you present yourself and not get people to see you one way and then learn that you aren't really like that. We ALL do it! I have been told by people that they are afraid to reply for fear that their opinion will be challenged by me. It took a long time to go back through and really look at why people were saying this to me AFTER they got to know the "real" me. In my opinion we could all use a little less of this "I am on one side of the fence, and you are on the other side of the fence." attitude. It's not serving any purpose. In all honesty can anyone say that they have learned "anything" besides Christians are pushy, righteous, pompous, etc, and everyone else is evil, sinful and not heaven bound? I can honestly say in the almost 3 years I have been at USM that I have not gained any knowledge about the bible and it's teaching's itself. The debate posts don't swing in that manner, it's always about one side or the other. There is one post that happened recently that actually made me smile. The post that LSG did about the OT. It was presented in a great manner and ALL the comments were blatantly presented in an educating manner. All of the debates should swing in the same manner, and I would be willing to bet that the people absorbed the information, instead of harboring on the anomisity that generally creeps in the doorway. This doesn't have to happen anymore. That is exactly what I love about debators like Lady Nyx and Karma Killer. |
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Date: 11/3/2003 9:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
What is "pprs", LSG? 'Fraid you used another term I don't understand. So sorry if attempting to communicate makes me look pompous. But, could I get an answer to this: If all of us supposed "self-righteous religious people" keep getting told that's what we are, what does that make the people so telling us? Self-righteous non-religious people? God Bless. |
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Date: 11/3/2003 10:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20296
how funny that you lumped yourself in as bellonging to this group of combative peeps deb. I mentioned no names and frankly didnt even consider you when I wrote the post. i do think some are rightous in their beliefs, that is fine. I only have a problem when some claim that there beliefs somehow effect others. what i believe is right or wrong is irrelevant to your life. I do not claim that my thoughts or beliefs will send you down to some burning pit and I do not claim that you recieve any form of punishment what-so-ever for you actions or beliefs...even when they differ from mine. i am not superior or do not think I am superior in my beliefs or opinions. I state them, but there is no wrath that will followed by those who do not follow along with me. so even though I may be a combative person at times, i do not call upon God or any other diety or force to back my words up with retribution or punishment. I do not try and save you or anyone else. I only try and live my own life as I see fit. and if some are on the wrong path (but who am I to say what is the wrong life's path) then it is not my job to judge them, berate them or scare them into my way of thinking. I am not saying anyone perticular here does this. I leave it to all of you to look at yoursellf and decide if it is you or not. I look in the mirror everyday and i sleep every night with my OWN actions weighing on my heart. I do not have to worry about your soul...just my own. but I do take into consideration what I hear others telling me I "appear" to be as I do believe that my interaction with others affects me as well as them. we are all part of something cosmic. i take into consideration, especially if more than one person sees me in a negative light. I think, heck...maybe I am appearing to be something I know in my heart not to be. maybe I should reassess and maybe look again at what i am trying to accomplish...for ME! |
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Date: 11/3/2003 11:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
DEB, the difference in Christians engaging in self-righteous, holier-than-thou finger pointing, and being combative versus the non-believer IS: the non-believer doesn't have a religion to SELL, and aren't holding themselves up to be of such a superior moral guide. In OTHER venues; in other aspects of our lives, especially of a business nature, people DO question, probe, ask questions, critique and criticise, especially if someone is trying to sell us something, a house, car, refrigerator, whatever. BUT...........oh my my, no one must criticise or poke holes in the sales pitch of the Christians, we just can't have that , now can we!? |
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Date: 11/3/2003 1:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Man-I SO have to remember to wear my glasses when I type, (I guess vanity keeps me from doing so). CBlossom, thank for the sugarpop. Let me tell you, I have enough candy from Halloween to last me until Christmas, at least. And, HooBoy, talk about a "sugar-buzz!". Az, thank you for the high compliment on my debate. I truly believe a lot of problems in Debate (and at USM in general) can be avoided by debating & discussing topics, not this "Bloods-vs-Crips" behavior. (Like a bunch of gang members fighting over a neighborhood?). I agree, when I am self-rightous, pompus, or infurating, it is because I am those things, at that moment. Not because my God(dess) says I am right, but because I believe I am right. BTW=sorry to re-direct your original post again, CBLOSSOM, (did you see how many people have read this without commenting?-Looks like people wanted to see if things will change). As for me, I am over this post. Radman, I belonged to Chess Club in High School (picture it, a Metal-Head, dressed-in-leather, Chess Champion. :P) Anyway, I don't play chess online, just in person. Anyway, I think nothing futher really needs to be said here. ~Peace~ |
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Date: 11/4/2003 8:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
So an agenda isn't a religion, and that makes it better? AND that makes your self-righteousness excuseable? ROTFLMA OFF. CBlossom, in case you didn't notice the first couple of comments I made on this post, I asked YOU, in so many words, why you felt you were better qualified to put up this type of an observance than those you INTENDED this post to be about. AND, I ASK THAT OF ALL OF YOU STILL STANDING. Once again it comes down to you feeling your JUDGEMENT is better, and simply by claiming that you are not trying to attach that to any sort of ideology is your excuse for writing this. So sorry if that just rings hollow to me . . . in my judgement. (NOTE: THAT SAYS MY JUDGEMENT, NOT GOD'S. I am pretty adept at attributing His Word to Him, and mine to myself;) God Bless. |
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Date: 11/4/2003 10:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
frankly-anything I could have said, was demonstrated beyond belief, by the very people this post may have been addressing. *smiles* DEB-atop demanding answers of the posts original author, or myself. As, I have tried to tell you before, no one owes you an answer. And, frankly, we will never find one to satisfy you anyway. Love & Light....... |
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Date: 11/4/2003 10:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
CBlossom-this was a great post, but I am "moving on". Peace & Love & Light to you! |
Date: 11/4/2003 12:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
most people are combative sometimes, some more than others. so what? what is the big deal? yep, i get mad sometimes, but usually, i get over it and at times, find it quite amusing. some of the people i've been combative with, i've actually become pretty good friends with. the resolution to the fighting brought us closer. why does it need to be so serious? for the most part, people here do not meet or know each other, and not only that, what is said here is the merest drop in the bucket of society as a whole. personally, i think it all should be taken a little less seriously. we all get mad sometimes, but maybe then it is time to take a step back.  |
