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A point in space?

  Author:  53314  Category:(Debate) Created:(11/19/2003 3:49:00 PM)
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I got to thinking about something, and I came across something very strange. In terms of a geometric matrix, if you have a point, is it a sphere or a cube? In theory it can't be a sphere because a sphere would not completely fill up the space, however if they were cubes, they would A) Be able to be measured and B) The matrix would have to be expanding in terms of a cube by each of the 8 vertices. And sense space is a matrix, would that mean that, if you paused space and time, that you could actually measure the universe? Does this mean that the universe has to be an expanding cube?

I think I may just be rambling on, but who knows?

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Date: 11/19/2003 3:54:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53314    If it were a sphere, would that explain dark matter?  
Date: 11/19/2003 3:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 58268    whoa, you people confuse me with these weird matrix things, hmmm...well, i think that the universe HAS to end somewhere, so i suppose you could measure it, but we wouldnt even get close if we actually could.  
Date: 11/19/2003 3:59:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53314    Scientists can shown that the universe is actually expanding...and therefore never ending, It's not too confusing?  
Date: 11/19/2003 4:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    Rowley nice to see you back after so long. And you come back with something I find hard to understand... so what's new? Could you measure it in terms of pi? I am in favor of the spherical universe because there cannot be space to fill as we would have to assume that there was something outside of all that is, the universe. But then what about dark matter? I understood dark matter to be the anti matter which accompanies all matter like a twin. We all ramble.  
Date: 11/19/2003 4:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 60052    Whoa! This is too much for my small brain to handle! But I must put in my two cents worth...a sphere makes more sense than a cube...why? Just because I can get my mind around that easier. :)  
Date: 11/19/2003 4:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 10344    If you say the universe is infinite and growing....where is the point where it ends that it grows from?  
Date: 11/19/2003 4:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 1225    And what does it expand into? What does it occupy when it expands?  
Date: 11/19/2003 4:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 53284    A point is infinitely small. It does not have a shape. It is a point.  
Date: 11/19/2003 4:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    we're going over this in science and the universe is actually expanding from a central explosion(big bang theory) its not necessarily spherical or cube-like  
Date: 11/19/2003 6:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 32806    what shape would a quantum universe give as a "point" however infinitely small it was? LOL  
Date: 11/19/2003 7:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 19875    Could be a cone shape....  
Date: 11/19/2003 7:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 62226    yah, a point has as many points within it as are outside it and if you were small enough to mesure the points in the point they would seem the same size as the point they were in + mabey the reason everything is expanding is because the space is not compleatly filled causing small points expand to fill the space between big points andthe big points expand to fill the space between bigger points causing the small points to keep expanding
Date: 11/19/2003 8:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 62226    ______oops sorry________!
Date: 11/19/2003 8:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 62226    yah, a point has as many points within it as are outside it and if you were small enough to mesure the points in the point they would seem the same size as the point they were in + mabey the reason everything is expanding is because the space is not compleatly filled causing small points expand to fill the space between big points andthe big points expand to fill the space between bigger points causing the small points to keep expanding. dark matter could just be points too small to detect from our size ,but its all relitive. I guess its just a ~matter~ of opinion,i'am not shure if I beleive what i just wrote,I tend to think its a little more fluid than a bunch of points flying around. VERY THOUGHT PROVOKING POST THANKS!
Date: 11/20/2003 11:17:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53314    You see, If the big bang happened, then the universe would start expanding from a central point, This also would infer that there is an asymptote around the whole of the universe. A point is infinitely small Wild bob, but It has to have a 3 Dimensional shape to Be the center of the universe simply because it would have to be able to expand in every direction. Inless, at one point in time, the universe was actually 2D. And to prove that a point has to be 3D, Imagine a line, graphed in a matrix. A line is made up of points, and that line would have to be 3D since it's graphed in a Matrix. Since it was a 3D LINE, would it be a prism or a cylinder?  
Date: 11/20/2003 12:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 51173    A cone might make sense in an ossolating universe model (passing from 3d to 2d, then back to 3d), but most scientists have long since abandoned that model. Interesting debate!  
Date: 11/20/2003 4:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 28989    I'm with Neptune on this one: What can the Universe expand into? Nothingness? Does nothingness even exist? Or not-exist? Nice point about the point, though. The matrix is an arbitrary, man-made idea, so we always tend to think of space in terms of a cube, meaning that everything in it tends to be "cubic." But a point can't have a shape at all, or else it would be a plane or a three-dimensional object. Points are supposed to be one-dimensional. Therefore they can't really exist. We tend to think of points as small dots, but dots have a shape, therefore cannot really be a point. The point is a completely abstract, man-made concept. In other words, I don't know what the heck I just said....  
Date: 11/20/2003 7:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 5886    I read very recently that the universe is supposeively shaped more like a soccer ball.  

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