Date: 11/20/2003 8:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 28336
i say he is as quilty as they come...he's a very sick person and i hope he rots for what he has done to these innocent children..i was molested as a child..there is no excuse or a hot enough place for them to rot..  |
Date: 11/20/2003 8:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
BlueMoon-I am sorry to here that. *sigh* children are so special. How can anyone try to steal the innocent spark in a child's heart? I think MJ should be in a cell with a 300-pounder, who will teach him a bit about being a victim.  |
Date: 11/20/2003 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 53054
Seriously he is famous, but why do the media always and this is ALWAYS try to show how these people are....People are Molested everyday, and the criminals get no publicity like this....i dont even care if its bad publicity! really he is a person, who will be judged, but only becuase he is famous....Why cant people ever stop talking about things like this...really yes he is famous, nad maybe he did something wrong....the media portray people as they want and that is why i dont like hte media broadcasting people like this becuase it always cahnges! People must have more to talk about! Seriosuly even if he has molested a child, he shouldnt have the media all over him, there are many others like him...I personally do not care about these famous people who get all the support from the media whether good or bad...it annoys me and frankly i dont care...and i dont believe either way, but there are a lot of unanswered questions....For example WHY WOULD THE BOYS PARENTS LET THERE BOY STAY IN THE SAME HOUSE AS MICHAEL? Really what were these parents thinking....they would have heard all the stories....Do parents just drop there kids of at anyones house now, without giving it a second thought.....are people really getting to that now! It annoys me so much!  |
Date: 11/20/2003 8:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
Sorry I think it's just a money making scam! The more I think about it the more it makes less sense! yhea A multi millionare is going to do this! I don't think so! People will sue for anything just to get money!  |
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Date: 11/20/2003 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
And by the way! the media can portray any one in any light! that's why I never want to be famous! |
Date: 11/20/2003 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
^ I don't think the media can ever portray Michael Jackson as being sane though.  |
Date: 11/20/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 49689
I agree with Leppy and Moon Girl..So I'll stand by innocent until proven guilty!  |
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Date: 11/20/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
Alien you are right! But does that make him guilty? |
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Date: 11/20/2003 8:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
MoonGirl-pedophiles can be muli-millionares, or paupers. It makes no difference. I cannot believe that a parent would attempt to make $$$ by claiming MJ abused their son. I simply cannot believe that a parent would harm a child by claiming abuse simply for $$$. MJ ADMITS sleeping with children! He is old enough to be their father! NO GROWN MAN SLEEPS WITH SOMONE ELSE'S CHILD! Sorry, for shouting, by I can believe MJ is a pedophile, before I can believe parents would claim abuse to make $$$, Parents are funny about their sons. As horrible as "rape" is, and same=sex "rape" carries even more of a stigma. |
Date: 11/20/2003 8:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 855
I think.... MONEY is the reason  |
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Date: 11/20/2003 8:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Leppy-you are correct. I never would have allowed MY children, either my son, OR daughters, to spend the night at MJ's house. BTW-the boy described certain anatomical features exclusive to MJ's private area(s). How would the children have know this????? |
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Date: 11/20/2003 8:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
you know-MJ has always been a talented performer. He is an incredible singer. BUT, he is a criminal. And, he should rot in jail. |
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Date: 11/20/2003 9:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
I do not belive he is guilty! Not the way the press & other peeps are making it out to be! |
Date: 11/20/2003 9:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I think, actually believe anything is possible. With the millions of runaways there must be thousands who could be bought with fewer dollars than was paid from the last scandal. 15 or 20 million can and could have bought a lot, perhaps it was paid to bring some peace. Honestly, I don't know, but I truely feel for his children, I really do. I cannot imagine growing up in their environment. I don't believe he has a concept of reality so there will be a question in my mind until all the evidence is in. But never should a child be victimized for any reason, and why would any parent allow a sleepover? The parents have something to answer to as well. We protect our children as best we can from harm of others, that is what we do as parents and grandparents, no amount of money could ever be enough to sell my child or prostitute them and if these charges are true, then the parents need to be held accountble as well. Common sense says so!  |
Date: 11/20/2003 9:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
ditto shadow ghost, i agree  |
Date: 11/20/2003 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Okay, where does the information that you set forth in the post come from? For example where did you get the info that bedrooms open up into his room? I can go through the information you gave here and break it down into what a prosecutor could say to contradict everything. If ya really want me too....:D  |
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Date: 11/20/2003 9:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
That would be a defense attorney not the prosecutor but you know what I meant...LOL |
Date: 11/20/2003 9:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 62066
It all went downhil when he turned white...
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Date: 11/20/2003 9:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 36901
I'm not sure what to think, but you bring up some good points. The more I hear, the more I start to thing GUILTY!  |
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Date: 11/20/2003 9:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
LOL mad mc! |
Date: 11/20/2003 9:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 20956
this may sound niave but i honestly think he didnt do it. i think that mj has no grasp on reality and no concept of what is socially exceptable and what is not. to him, it is innocent but obviously people (i expect parents) have taken advantage of this and found a way to financial gain. On a slightly diffent tangent, on thing that popped into my head the second i heard this on the news was with all the negative stuff about mj in the past in relation to this issue, what parent in their right mind would allow their child to stay overnight at neverland anyway??? the answer ..... $$$$$  |
Date: 11/20/2003 9:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 62422
coupable! guilty...cyndi...  |
Date: 11/20/2003 10:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
...as wacko as the man is, and oh yeah he's as nutty as a Waldorf Salad, make no bones about that...and as wierd as his acivities with kids can be...I honestly think he's just a fruitloop, but NOT a pedophile. I think he probably has some rather inappropriate relationships with kids...but not actual sexual abuse...  |
Date: 11/20/2003 10:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 57653
I agree! I think he did it...and has probably done it many times! As to this being a money making scheme...the family wasn't even the ones to go to the authorities with this information. The child in question brought up the incidents during therapy and his therapist had to report it to the authorities......  |
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Date: 11/20/2003 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Let's just put it this way. His behavior may be inappropriate to some people. Most of us wouldn't do the things that he has done with kids. However the backlash in return doesn't make sense. He has one allegation from a child that the authorities investigate, they discontinue investigation when the star witnesses parents didn't want to put him through the agony of a trial, but took a few cool million to make up for it. I mean give me a break. I understand the victim not being able to stand up in court but does money really make up for it? Paying for counseling and medical, completely understandable, but the amount the kids received was completely out of line. Which leads to another question. Kids started coming out about the Catholic church covering up the nasty little deeds of the priest and immediately you had DRONES of kids, now adults, coming forward. Michael Jackson is KNOWN to be surrounded by kids. TONS of them! Why weren't there more to come forward? Is it possible after ALL these years of spending his adult life playing around like a 5 year old kid that THIS was his first victim. It's outrageous to think it is even possible. Could it be? I suppose so, but there weren't even any "liars" or frauds. Now 10 years later more accusations? Something just isn't even right here. As far as Latoya is concerned, notice only the losers of the family EVER talk about the abuse? Janet and Michael the two successful children never use their abuse story to gain publicity. I wouldn't even blink at what she had to say, she loves the camera. |
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Date: 11/20/2003 10:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 53054
oh i have been doing a little research on this...i think that it is in no way related to the colour of him Mad MC....seriously that creates a whole new debate....I have heard i think....that MJ helped this boy whom had cancer, by providing his family with a house and a car....and money to help with his treatment....the parents now dont have the same contact with Michael because there son is better......why would the child be going to a theripist at such a young age? ok i know some do go....another thing is that $$$ is a key factor here...it is in every case famous....i always believe that $ makes all the difference, expecially in both circumstances....(michael has money, the family are not getting any, they want the money)...another thing is that michael might be doing this and if he is....then he has no idea that what he is doing is wrong in his mind he believes he is right! I dont know whether all the things i have but in here are correct or not, becuase everything spoken within the media is biased and sooo i dunno....but i think that the family is taking advantage of Michael through there son! as terrible as that sounds! |
Date: 11/20/2003 10:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
His good deeds outweigh the questionable ones. But of course, you never hear about the good things he does for humanity. People dwell to much on negativity and are too quick to accuse, with nothing but speculation to back it up.  |
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Date: 11/20/2003 10:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Lil Leppy, the color thing was a joke..LOL. It would seriously be something you would see on David Letterman...LOL |
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Date: 11/20/2003 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 53054
Im just a little too serious today! hehehehe! |
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Date: 11/20/2003 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 53054
LOLZ ok...i didnt know that sorry lolz! *hugz* |
Date: 11/20/2003 11:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Yep...Good points ShadowGhost. I agree.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 12:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 51049
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?? Guilty or not, right now my problem is that they are automatically making him look guilty before they prove it, and that is not right.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 2:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 30747
I don't know what to think about all this. My intuition is telling me he is not as guilty as he is made out to be. Believe me, nothing makes me see red more than child molestatiom and abuse and I've seen every piece of information they have out there, but there is something I can't put my finger on that makes me feel very uneasy about all this, like maybe he is being rail roaded. I saw a video of the prosecutor who has been investigating MJ since the first alligation and he is as nutty as MJ himself. The man has a vendetta that I believe is motivated by politics and notoriety. MJ is definitely guilty of poor judgement but sexual misconduct? I'm not so sure. I need more proof.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 3:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
i don't really want to get into this debate because.. well.. really i think what we are thinking won't make a difference in this.. but i did want to say one thing to AZ.. actually, Janet did use her abuse for some publicity. I get the magazine Twist monthy, and they had a three page article on her abuse from her father and how she survived it.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 5:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 24856
Clearly the blame belongs to the parents that EVER allowed their children to stay with him. Gheesh, are we a society that looks to others before blaming ourselves. I am not excusing MJ behavior, but any parent that would let their children stay with him are the "freaks".  |
Date: 11/21/2003 6:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 40145
this is getting old... sorry :(  |
Date: 11/21/2003 7:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 32806
The previous case was dropped because MJ paid the family 13-40 mill dollars in an out of court settlement.
Who pays compensation for a crime they claim they didn't commit? That fact alone tells me he is guilty of inappropiate behaviour with children.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 7:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
Where's the ball? Get your eyes back on the ball! What legislation is going through congress while we're all focussed on MJ? Want a few million? Let your child sleep over at Neverland.  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 7:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 10722
The fact that they also accepeted the money instead of taking it further, and wanted to see justice so no other parent could've gone through the same experience, could also be construed as them wanting his money all along. |
Date: 11/21/2003 8:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 25390
You can have all the money in the world and still be sick in the head.  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 9:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 49689
Sagi..Anybody capable of doing so pays a few million to keep their name out of the limelight..From retailers all the way to celebrities..Maybe if you were in their shoes you would understand why..Because it's not good for public relations..Guilty or Innocent! |
Date: 11/21/2003 9:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
Until the facts have been presented and the case tried, I shall reserve judgment as to his guilt. But I do think he's a freak, I've seen enough to draw that conclusion...  |
Date: 11/21/2003 12:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 62060
Just think, this is a man who, on hearing the police had a warrant for his arrest started 'negotiations' through his lawyer. This is a man who preened before his mug shot was taken. This is a man who, when questioned about his surgery, said, 'OK, I'll admit, I've had one tiny bit on my nose, but thats all'. A 45 year old who wants to be Peter Pan. Plus all the things LSG wrote. The only thing that surprises me is why wasnt he locked away/hospitalised sooner?  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 12:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 62060
And another thing, if he was 'innocent' the first time why did he pay of $$$ to the alleged victim? |
Date: 11/21/2003 12:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 15998
Honestly, I do think he needs be punished for it if it is true, and punished severely at that, but I do not think it is fair of us the sit here and say things like "oh even if he was treatly poorly it doesn't give him the right to do what he did! he's a sick freak!" I'm not saying his life excuses what he has done, because nothing like that can be excused, I just, I don't know. I don't think it is fair of us to say things like that when we really don't know what he went through/what he is thinking. He probably doesn't even realize what he is doing is wrong (he is literally sick). That's part of the reason that sometimes kid w/ alcoholic, abusive parents grow up to be the same way. That's all they know, they think it is normal, or that it is supposed to be that way. I think this is a horrible situation, but I do feel bad for him. If it is true, I honestly think he does not realize that what he is doing is wrong. That's probably why he's so odd.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 7:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 26227
MJ is innocent just like OJ !  |
Date: 11/21/2003 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
"He admits sleeping in the same bed with his young friends, he calls it a "beautiful thing"." that doesnt automatically make him a pedofile, sorry your wrong. "The man has NO concept of reality. He is a freak. He paid to alter his appearence to the point he bares NO resemblence to his former self. He is not an accident, or burn victim. He PAID to look like he does. He is self-mutlilating (like "cutting"), and no one has stopped him." that makes no sense at all, he can afford it, how does this make him guilty. I think he is guilty but those 2 things would never hold up against me  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 7:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
EMI, my point in that was they didn't use it to get their name in black and white. They didn't go on every talk show from the west to the east coast, write books and advertise their LIFE from their childhood. Latoya was looking for the limelight attention. It's obviously that there are siblings in the family that don't see the point or the need to drag their past family matters into the limelight and make it a focal point like some of them do. That is the point that I was trying to make. There is a difference between a candid interview and tearing up the streets and shouting about it at the top of your lungs..THAT is latoya...LOL |
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Date: 11/21/2003 8:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
okay let's look at the nose and the skin thing. Everyone calls him a freak because he paid to have these things done. Okay well what about the nose? First of all the nose made him look like his father and who cares the man had a nose job. It has also been rumored to have been done to narrow the nasal passages to override the deepening of his voice. Remember when he was child they tried passing him off as being 2 or 3 years younger than he was because he was more commercial? When he went through puberty and his voice began to deepen they also pressured him about singing higher. The skin situation...have you ever seen one that looses the pigment in their skin. My Uncle is white and he has lost the pigment in his skin on legs and arms and he has huge white patches. Even though he is white it stands out like a neon sign because the rest of his skin at least has a peachy tone to it. So imagine now that you are a black man and a very dark one at that, and your skin is doing the same thing. Now if you look, you can see that he lightened over time and didn't just one day turn so light from being so dark. As the skin pigment was lost in places, he blended the rest of his skin in to match it. If you had the money and this happened would you walk around looking like a ying yang and be comfortable with a bunch of cameras following you everywhere you went? How much of what we really know that is TRUTH about this man? |
Date: 11/22/2003 8:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 4144
i don't know either way. i wasn't there. but i do know i would never let my kid go to la la land and sleep over. if all this is true, i think the parents should be charged with neglect or something. even though i don't have an opinion of his guilt or innocence, i d remember the last time this happened and he paid the kid's family off. so if he did or didn't do it the time before, there was still enough on the news to make you not to ever want your kid alone with him.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 8:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 53689
First of all, I am very curious as to where you got your information from. Secondly, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty...I'm quite sure that if it was you being accused you would hope people were a lot more willing to hear your side before passing judgement. As far as my opinion goes, as a person who was molested for many years as a child, I believe that he may be innocent. The first child who accused him...the parents accepted money as retribution. I firmly believe that if their child had really been molested, they would have stopped at nothing to see him behind bars. They wouldn't have even bothered to take out a civil suit. Secondly, shortly after the first accusations, other families began accusing him...all of which were proven to be false. 20/20 even did a feature on it, in which they discovered a man who was coaching these children on how to act when accusing MJ. I may be wrong...For the sake of the children, I hope I'm not wrong. But the story seems really fishy to me.  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 1:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
lol.. the only problem i have with the surgeries he got on his face is that he is ugly as heck now.. i'm waiting for his face to cave in.. or has it done that already? lol |
Date: 11/22/2003 2:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
I think he is totally guilty. I told my friends one night while watching on TV that he was going to open Neverland for like expensive tickets for a weekend. WHatever it was. I said watch there will be a scandal. If he didn't do it the first time. He should have learned a lesson and not let children to his house again. I mean HELLO! I think he is so ignorant to even be around little boys after what happened. If he did it I hope they nail him. Covering his children's faces and hanging them over ledges. Get this man away from children!! JACKO THE WHACKO. Not being racist, but it is interesting how many white people wanna nail him and how many black people say leave him alone. Micheal Leave little boys be! Sleep with your wife!!! nasty!  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 2:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
Ok so he is rich people. Great yee hawww lets leave him alone because he is rich. Go ahead and play on that it is a scam thing. If Micheal had any brains after 93 if would have been clear away from little boys. You know? He wouldn't hang his baby over a ledge and wave him with a white cloth on his face. Micheal must like the sick attention. I thought he should have been arrested for child abuse when he did that to his son. I was skeptical the first time about it being a money scam. His behavoir since makes me convinced he is a sicko! |
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Date: 11/22/2003 2:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
And I saw his arrest picture on MTV That is insane!!! He was an attractive black man at one time. What the heck is that????????? He looks soo scary I don't think I could be in the same room wit him. He looks like an over processed nightmare doll that will haunt you. |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
And I saw his arrest picture on MTV That is insane!!! He was an attractive black man at one time. What the heck is that????????? He looks soo scary I don't think I could be in the same room wit him. He looks like an over processed nightmare doll that will haunt you. |
Date: 11/22/2003 8:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Wow. Look at the "witch hunt" (judging someone guilty of something based on appearances) I stumbled on to . . . God bless.  |
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Date: 11/23/2003 1:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 53054
Hey this guy Michael Jackson...with Gavin....he had cancer, and then he was better...(in remission)! Michael helped his family! and then they back lash, becuase michael has nothin else to do with this boy! I dont understand this one bit...as more and more news comes out i get even more suspicious! *hugz* |
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Date: 11/23/2003 9:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
they did lash back after he started distancing himself, maybe they were afraid of no money |
Date: 11/23/2003 10:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 55967
Although I am not a really true MJ fan (although I admire his creativity and work)I presume him innnocent only because of the paradigm of this country. He is in fact innocent until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by a jury that he is guilty. Maybe his is, but I'm not going to bite that until the trial. Also, I would say that in your post, only number 8 and part of number 5 make me think he really is. The rest are simply stretches to connect the pedophile allusion with his life. Sure, he is out there, but the other statements don't point convincingly to pedophile tendencies. Number 8, yes, the behavior toward his children he has certainly can extend to treating other children as objects for his own satisfaction. In number 5, the things you sited are new to me, and very interesting. If true that the real pedophile sees the child as a part of a real relationship, and you see MJ as he treats his friends, then yes, I have to agree there is a connection. However, what you have arrived at at the end of number 5, that MJ has not appeared apologetic and is contemptible toward law enforcement, is not a part of any strong evidence toward him being such. In all, I simply say that the courts and the evidence all of us may not know will decide the outcome.  |
Date: 11/23/2003 1:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 53541
i agree with all those reasons...i dont really like MJ i think he sould be put in jail just because his looks..lol...thanks for the read!~*~UD~*~  |
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Date: 11/24/2003 1:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 34814
Yeah a Witch Hunt he seems to attract to himself. His looks don't make him guilty. His hanging with little boys after the first 93 molesting case makes him a moran. Sorry! |
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Date: 11/24/2003 10:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
LOL@Love Kitten.....Blessed Be Sister, you caught that too? *wink**wink*. MJ brought this upon himself. His arrogence by continuing to behave in a manner in which he does, shows he really is not quite in touch with the real world. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I don't care for his music or him particularily, but I do have some doubts. I read the Drudge report, the deposition given by the child. Seems to me like the child and the mother craved the gifts and attention. If there was abuse, I hope he gets what is coming to him, if these are lies, then the mother, possibly both parents need to answer for what they allowed to happened. This child was very possibly used by MJ but the parent, probably the mother, needs to be charged as well. When are parents ever going to accept responsibility? Want some money? Bring your kid over to spend the night... I don't think so, who in their right mind would be so gullible. If he is a pedofile, with so much to lose why would he waste his career when he can "buy" whatever he chooses. And lets face it, he can buy most whatever he desires. I still hold the parents accountable. If this happened, it happened because the mother or the parents let it happen. They need to be charged as well. No thirteen year old is going to spend the night anywhere unless Mom says so. I don't buy it, at least not the media version. Smells bad and I think the parents SHOULD bear responsibility and account for themselves. I'm quite sure that if the charges filed did indeed happen, the parents knew about the prior alleged charges. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would never let their child sleep in bed with an adult male and think "nothing was wrong with that", give me a break! This mother needs forty whacks of "wake up" and smell the coffee. Again if it happened, it happened because of her greed and because she let it happen. If it happened, you bet, it was wrong, nasty and he should go to prison, so should Mom though. But she won't, maybe she will write a book. |
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Date: 11/25/2003 9:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
Right on Shadow Ghost! |
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Date: 11/25/2003 11:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
"Reality" is what people live. If this is the way he lives, whether anyone else does or not -- or likes it or not, that is "his" reality. "Appearances" aren't just the way someone physically looks. One previous CHARGE, not conviction, is the appearance this author sees as a the basis for declaring someone a "criminal" and as someone who should be rotting in jail. Oh, lord, yes, let's go back to old Salem and have people persecuted for "appearances". God Bless. |
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Date: 11/25/2003 11:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 15998
I agree with Deb. And like I said, he probably doesn't even realize what he is doing is wrong, if he is doing it at all. |
Date: 11/25/2003 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
I reserve judgement, as should all who don't know the specifics of the case, nor the vidence presented by the District Attorney. He is innocent, I say with confidence, UNTIL proven guilty. What you have here is circumstancial evidence and logical fallicies, neither of which would stand up in court.  |
Date: 11/26/2003 3:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 61188
Well said Tarheel girl!! I was wondering what happened to everyone having a right to a fair trial, and if people still are innocent until proven guilty!!  |
