Date: 11/21/2003 1:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
Personally, I do not beleive in killing innocent people. Though I know some of these people are not innocent and their only intent is to kill. But I think when it comes to war people really don't think about wether or not its right. They just get so caught up in everything and go with it.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 1:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 58611
But doesnt is say in the bible to obey the laws of the land as well?  |
Date: 11/21/2003 1:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 62060
Like it says above, i think in times of conflict religious rule almost disappear. Suicide bombings by muslims is an example of this - islamic law forbids suicide, yet these people are thought of as martyrs (sp?) who will go straight to heaven. As for your case, i dont know.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 1:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 43948
Ah, who cares about the Christians. I have no tolerance for any kind of violence or murder. (Though I am fascinated with serial killers) But as an individual, I walk away from the fight. If my enemy fell at my feet and begged for mercy, I would not be the one to kick them in the face. People don't seem to realize that destructive behavior only leads to more destruction... and in the end the only one who is being destroyed is themselves. What should be our last resort strangely reverses itself to be our first.  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 1:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
AQUA ROSE: Good point, however, I am unaware of any law on the books that instruct us to go to war or to kill. |
Date: 11/21/2003 1:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I asked our preacher this when I was young. His answer was a better interpertation of the commandment was "Thou shalt not murder". If your government forces you to fight in a war you are killing, but you are not murdering.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 2:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
Scall, are you serious about there being no laws on the books in reguards to war or did I misunderstand? The constitution gives this power directly to the president and the congress. Your question might also pertain to the Police. What gives them the right to kill a criminal? Would God be against that to? How can a policeman be a christian knowing they might have to take someones life in the line of duty. I don't know what the answer is, but it is an interesting question.  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 3:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
WILD BOB: Thanks for the preacher perspective. It’s funny to me that preachers who tell us to read and interpret the bible as a child (i.e., plainly) go to great lengths to dissect and twist the language when they need justify their own personal perspectives. Though I understand the difference between murder (unlawful killing) vs. killing (to put to death) by modern definition, I still look at them as one in the same: “to deprive of life.” I think that if God had meant “murder” we would have a commandment that would say: “Thou shalt not murder.” I think God meant all killing in the commandments, but man has turned a blind eye to the true commandment to justify his human ends. Thanks for the response. Scall |
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Date: 11/21/2003 3:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
KELLY: Yes, I think you misunderstood, but then again I was rather loose with my response. What I meant was that we have no “directive” laws on the books that instruct us to go to war or to kill. Like “you must pay taxes”. The president has the power to choose to take us to war and by law the soldiers must obey their orders, but there is no law that directs us to go to war or to kill if “x” happens. I believe that even in a police situation, the discretion is left to the individual officer whether or not to pull the trigger. There is no law that says if “x” happens, the officer MUST pull the trigger. |
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Date: 11/21/2003 3:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
AQUA ROSE: If God makes a law – then man makes a contradictory law on the same subject – who should prevail? |
Date: 11/21/2003 3:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 62146
Well if someone is going to kill you or if you have to kill for food then it is wright the way I see it if one of you is going to kill so it is you or them then it is alright. What I am saying is if it is for the purpose of life then kill but if it is for the use of fun or something then don't.  |
Date: 11/21/2003 3:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 45948
I don't normally get into debates and I don't support murder by any means, but if what you are saying is true, then what about this scenerio. Say you are being held at gunpoint and you have a chance to escape but only by killing the person who is holding you against your will. If you kill them to save your own life, then God will not forgive you?  |
Date: 11/21/2003 4:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 52155
Jimmy Badguy breaks into your house and decides to rape your wife. You come home and find this going on. You gonna sit back, wait til he is done, and invite him for tea? Or you gonna grab a baseball bat and play Barry Bonds on the back of his head? Just curious....  |
Date: 11/21/2003 4:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
Maybe a 12 gauge slug would do better for that situation. ;)  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 4:33:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
COSMIC FREAK: I understand your perspective of “kill or be killed – self defense” justification. Personally, though, I think that philosophy could be manipulated or distorted too easily. Say I was a delusional paranoid who thinks my neighbor is plotting to kill me – so in self defense, I kill him first. Or were you only referring to justified killing if an actual physical attack on your person happens? And if that is the case, then what if the person was only attacking you to beat you up and rob you but had no thoughts of killing you. You erringly assume the worst and think the person is trying to kill you and you kill them instead? I believe in this instance the killing is still wrong, because you don’t know if the attacker was trying to kill you or not. So by using the “kill or be killed” philosophy a person could choose to kill for the wrong reasons out of ignorance and still end up owning the responsibility on judgment day. |
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Date: 11/21/2003 4:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
ANGEL EYEZ: In this scenario, you are assuming the person who is holding you hostage at gunpoint is actually going to kill you (whether or not that be the case) and you are assuming that the only way out is through killing the other person, when in fact, many different possibilities could present themselves as alternatives – like a raid by the SWAT team, an inattentive hostage taker who lets his guard down and falls asleep or a myriad other things that could happen if a person opens their mind to all the possibilities other than “I have to kill this person to get out of here.” Scall |
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Date: 11/21/2003 4:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
EDDO: Okay – I walk in on some guy raping my daughter (I’m a woman). I know I don’t have to kill him in order to stop the crime. I can take the same baseball bat and strike him as hard as I can in the back – to stop the immediate action. When he gets off of her and comes at me I can strike him in the knee caps, the groin, his arms or just keep swinging until the cops get there just to keep him down – but I don’t have to hit him in the head or kill him in the process of seeking justice – that’s what courts are for. |
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Date: 11/21/2003 4:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
PUNK RAWK: re: "People don't seem to realize that destructive behavior only leads to more destruction... and in the end the only one who is being destroyed is themselves". This is so true - I couldn't agree more. Thanks for your input. Scall |
Date: 11/21/2003 6:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 16705
that's a hard one to answer. wish i could say more. Hamb918  |
Date: 11/21/2003 6:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
I dislike all wars and I feel for all the innocent people that are killed or their family members or neighbours are killed, but when you look at the situations of the present and past wars, our governments put us in the position of kill or be killed, I dont know how this will ever be overcome but I sure as heck would not like any member of my family to be over there in Iraq at present...I cant really answer your question hun, the thought of killings and wars and the such, chill me to the bone...good post...hugs  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 6:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
Thanks Zema -- me too. I saw an interview at the start of the Iraq war of some southern state congressman (can't remember who) who said he was putting forth a bill for the draft again (because we are in for a long war [not just Iraq - but one country after another] Bush said could be as long as 10 years). Already I've heard so many servicemen talk about the bad conditions and lack of support from the government for their needs, medical and otherwise, and saying they won't re-enlist. Look at the suicide rate alone in Iraq?!? I think it may well come down to a draft in the next 5 years if this continues as was initially speculated. I have a 16 year old daughter who I do not want to see go off to war. She is such a gentle flower -- I just couldn't bear it. Scall |
Date: 11/21/2003 7:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 27558
Well being my confusing background on religion, I've been so many religions in such a little time I am not even quite sure what the Commandmants are anymore, but in my opinion, I would only kill if it was 1000% necessary, which is very rare and probably even then I wouldn't kill. This whole Iraq its kind of just there to me anymore. Sorry I can't help you on this one. With Great Respection to USMers,  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 7:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 52155
Ok. Jimmy Badguy goes free on a judicial technicality. Sues you for attacking him, wins bookoo bucks. Decides to come back and finish the job on your daughter. Again you walk in. Same story from you? I don't think so. Unlikely as it may be, it makes an interesting point. When caught in distress, seeing someone we love dearly getting seriously hurt, how far would we go to stop it? At that point, your thoughts are not going to be with the court system or judgement day- your only purpose will be stopping this sicko from further harming your daughter. Not that I am justifying murder or killing, butwhen faced with a situation like that, I don't know how I would react, and thinking rational about it would not be tops on my list. |
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Date: 11/21/2003 8:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
EDDO: you nailed it right on the head. YOU don't know how you would react. And you shared with us, how you would react. HOWEVER, and thank GOD! all humans are not created alike. I would ALWAYS seek my alternatives, and thank GOD, everyday, that he gave me a creative and expansive mind that helps me quickly think of other alternatives. Scall |
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Date: 11/21/2003 8:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 52155
So while your daughter is getting raped, you are gonna be looking at different ways that you can handle the situation so as to not harm the sicko that is raping her??? |
Date: 11/21/2003 8:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Scall, you don't know what you would do either, so how can you be just as sure is Eddo is about what he would do, that you wouldn't end up doing the same?  |
Date: 11/21/2003 10:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I don't think so, if if you really believe in the Christian concept, but then again there is that, eye for an eye verse. When it gets up close and personal, I agree with Eddo. I'm not going to be sitting back rationalizing while some scumbag rapes and then murders my daughter. Common sense tells me that only one may survive. It won't be the rapist, not in my house. I've already lost a friend to rape and murder, I couldn't have prevented it, but God could have and did not. The only lesson learned from every one who loved her was that we better be aware that evil people exist and if we don't want to be their victim then we better fight back. I have no worries about my soul, those who are killed while committing violent acts are the ones who bear that worry. As for war, we given no choice. Again defending life against evil is written about time after time in the Bible. No where is there any word on evil intent being acceptable to God. I believe it is about intent and justification. Why and what for, common sense alone tells us that actions done because of intent are or are not justifiable.  |
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Date: 11/21/2003 10:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
EDDO: Yes - because that's just the way my brain works -- I naturally think of all the alternatives - it is no great effort. |
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Date: 11/21/2003 10:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
For me it's not a matter of suspending my actions for a moment of rationalization before I act. I DO know how I would respond to physical attack because I was raised in an environment where innocent children were abused physically and every day and sometimes I HAD to react out of survival. It's not a matter of my rationalization dictating what my actions will be so much as it is as a matter of my conditioning from first hand experience which tells me how I would react to physical attack. How many times have you been physically attacked? Scall |
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Date: 11/21/2003 11:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
None, but I know how much I love my family and the lengths I would go to, just to save their lives against a lowlife scumbag. I would gladly give my own. Or take theirs. But I would die defending myself or own. No question, and no doubts. |
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Date: 11/21/2003 11:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Yikes< I meant that I would defend my own, I WOULD defend to the death anyone who threatened my children or grandchildren. I have no illusions or doubts. If someone evil would try to take the life of anyone in my family, IT WILL be that one who loses their life. Justly so. Don't become a preditor, don't become a killer, do not become a threat. How simple is THAT? If I'm forced to kill JUST to save myself or my family, I would. No qualms, no worries. The one who infringes on my life and liberty needs to worry about justice and judgement day. I don't because I do not delibertly bring harm to others. I think that is very simple. Intent and justification are very different. Defending oneself is not breaking any law or commandment of God. |
Date: 11/22/2003 12:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 21867
...well, you keep on looking for alternatives while your daughter is getting raped...me, I'm gonna be looking for something heavy and blunt with which to cave the fools skull in with...  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 12:37:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
And Agent Smith can lead the American Viglante Squad. We don't need a judicial system when we have people like him around! Scall |
Date: 11/22/2003 8:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 4144
i wouldn't say there is never a reason to kill. let somebody mess with my kid and i'll show you a reason. and i think my soul would be just fine on judgement day. as far as the war goes, i don't have a clue.  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 12:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Some minor points to make mention of: 1)I'm not American or from America...I'm a New Zealander and reside in NZ. 2)Is the Justice System going to be stopping the guy from raping my daughter?? Are the Court Baliffs going to be there perhaps?? Maybe the Judge is hiding in the closet or something?? No. My point is, as you have made earlier, dependent on me WALKING IN on someone raping my daughter...lets say that again so the point is not missed...WALKING IN ON SOMEONE RAPING MY DAUGHTER...so, the situation is different is it not Scall?? The Justice System does NOTHING in that instance to save my daughter at that time, does it Scall. No. Hence I would take immediate and direct action. If you want to stuff around accessing the 'Justice System' by calling the Police while your daughter is getting raped in front of you...then I think you may need to assess the situation a little more. Peace, |
Date: 11/22/2003 3:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
HAHA Yesh I have thought about this ok. It's ok to kill if your God is the only one.  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
Yes we have to defend ourselves. Leave God out of it LOL |
Date: 11/22/2003 4:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
i like to think if someone was severely hurting my child, that i would do whatever i had to do in order to make that stop. if i had a gun, i wouldn't be wasting any time aiming for obscure body parts to "wing" the offender, as most likely that person would be bigger and stronger than me and i would see it as stupid to leave it open to chance like that. i walk in on my child being raped, get the gun say, and wing the guy in the knee. guy jumps me, beats the crap out of me, and we both get raped. i don't think so.  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 4:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
god didn't say be stupid |
Date: 11/22/2003 4:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
I have been told, that due to differences in translation, the commandment can also read "Thou shall not premeditate murder" in which case, wars would not be violating the commandments. Also, in the Bible, God directed his people into battle, thereby allowing wars, but not murders.  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 4:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
If *I* were to walk in, and someone was raping someone in my family..I KNOW what I would do, and the punk would be 6 foot under. I have to go to prison for it? So be it, but I WILL protect my family, at ALL costs. |
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Date: 11/22/2003 11:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
...dang straight Crash...I've seen how our Justice System works...and have very little faith in it at all... |
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Date: 11/23/2003 3:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
AGENT SMITH: Allow me to correct and clarify. 1) I apologize I did not read your profile and I was discussing my own justice system, so I flipantly named the society "American Vigilante Squad" - correction: AGENT SMITH can then lead the New Zealand Vigilante Squad". 2) someone above posed a hypothetic situation where I walk in on my wife getting raped, since I'm a woman, I changed it to be my daughter and if you read my response from 11/21 to EDDO, I don't even mention calling the police until after I have subdued the animal through a violent but non-fatal attack. I am not opposed to violence to stop an violent crime against someone I love -- so no - if you take the time to read everything, you can see that I would not sit passively by and do nothing, nor would I rely entirely upon the police if I am surprised by a situation such as we were hypothetically discussing. Scall |
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Date: 11/23/2003 4:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
DOHENY: We were talking about a hypothetical situation where only a baseball bat is present. I don't own a gun -- so in any event your solution would prove pointless. Also, this discussion was about the commandment "thou shalt not kill" not the non-existent commandment: "thou shalt not be stupid." |
Date: 11/23/2003 5:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Scall, I can tell you from experience that when the chips are on the line, you do not stop and think about anything. You react, either out of training, or out of an inner sense that tells you what to do then and there. For me, it is mostly out of training. If you read your Bible, it tells you that there is a time for all things, and that includes a time to kill. Not everyone can do it, and until put in the position of having to do, you will never know if you can or not. It is not easy to look over the barrel of a weapon and know you are about to end someone's life. It can be even harder to look them in the eyes and know that either you will die, or they will die. When any event happens that has an effect on you, such as someone you know or love being raped or hurt, there are several things that happen that will dictate how you will react. Adrenaline kicks in, your mind becomes focused on the event, and you immediately begin to think of the quickest and easiest way to do as much bodily harm to the attacker as possible. How do I know? Because I have been there. As for whether it is right or not kill, the verse "Thou shalt not kill" is interpreted as meaning "Thou shalt not commit murder". As to whether or not those who kill during combat will go to heaven or hell, I believe it is all according to whether the battle they fought was a just one or not. Besides, I feel the Lord has a special place for the warriors, since he sure made enough of us.  |
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Date: 11/23/2003 9:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
TwoSpirit is correct, mostly...when the you-know-what hits the fan very little conscious logical reasoning comes into play...one tends to react from ones own experience, training/conditioning. Me, I was brought up surrounded by violence, beaten more times than I can remember...and I mean fully beaten into unconsciousness from an early age, been in more fights than I care to count, spoke with my fists and feet before my mouth...winner was the one left standing, was a member of a gang from mid-teens and seen and done some hardcore crap before I found my way out of that cycle, that scene. I found God, I found education, I found myself...I now engage my brain before my fists in the greater majority of cases...however, there will always be times when 'instinct' kicks in and you react without thinking. If someone was hurting a loved one, that would be one of those times. Its not for any vigilante type mentality...its just instinct to a great extent. Does that make it any more right? Probably not...but it makes it reality. Peace, |
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Date: 11/23/2003 10:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Your post, the last line reads, "I do not believe in killing, for any purpose", have you had spmeone you know or love murdered? I have lived through this and I couldn't have stopped or prevented what happened. But if someone broke into my home, I do have a steel baseball bat beside my bed, and I would use in in a heartbeat. Never, will I watch while someone hurts my family, never. I would help anyone who needs help, but someone whose intent is to harm me or mine is asking for trouble. I have both barrels loaded and carry mace. I have a gun permit and I refuse to be a victim. I refuse! What happened to my friend was horrendous, I have my eyes wide open and know that some have no regard for the lives of others. So be it. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 7:39:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
Like Agent Smith, I was beaten severely on a daily basis -- not just by mom and dad but by my two sibs as well. I learned how to fight and spent better than 18 years trying to find my way out of the fear and anger cycle. I DO KNOW how I would react because my instinct is honed. People I know say I have the fastest reflexes of anyone they know. I also said I would not sit by and watch. Do I NEED to kill in an attack -- no - do I need to fight -- yes. That is what I would do -- this post was in no way a post to TELL you all what to do. I didn't think this would come down to a "everybody try to convince Scall to kill" discussion. I was truly puzzled by the contradiction of the commandment and it's command to Christian soldiers. But since the only answer that seems to actually be relevant to my question, is that the bible does actually "mean" kill - it really "means" murder -- then I just have to ask, why didn't the omniscient one just SAY "thou shalt not commit murder" -- if he meant only murder?? This is what I don't understand. You can say something got messed up in the translation but then I have a problem with that too -- because how do you then trust anything in the book??? Confusedly yours, Scall |
Date: 11/24/2003 8:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
In war you do your duty, when defending yourself you do whatever you have to. If it involves killing so be it. As sweet as the thought is of putting some burgler permanently out of commision, it hardley justifies the act. But if that same burgler has a weapon.... well then the only way to make sure you're safe is to put them out of action as quckly and surely as possible. Myself I have no particular problem with killing to defend myself or my family. God can deal with that in his own time and with his own wisdom.  |
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Date: 11/24/2003 8:24:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
Another example of thinking of all the alternatives under pressure (that has nothing at all to do with killing but everything about an immediate dangerous siutation): my daughter accidentally caught a blanket she had wrapped around her on fire by walking too close to a candle. When we realized what was happening she dropped the blanket to the floor and ran from it. Inside of less than 3 seconds, I had 3 alternatives spring to mind of how to handle the situation: 1) run to the kitchen and get some, 2) run to the kitchen and get the fire extinguisher or 3) grab the little dish towel that was sitting nearby and try to smother it. I chose 3 because I didn't want to waste more time or turn my back on the flame for even a second. I was able to distinguish the flame in seconds and it didn't get out of control by wasting time running around (while the fire gets bigger) -- point is: I still had time to think of all the alternatives before I reacted. It doesn't take a great deal of time to assess a situation and know what to do. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 8:25:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
BCAR: Thanks for your perspective. |
Date: 11/24/2003 1:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
Yet another blow struck at the Christian façade of "holier than thou" junk.  |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
You ask why the commandment did not say do not murder. The answer is simple. Ancient Hebrew was a language a lot simpler than what we have now. Even Greek and Latin are more complex than ancient Hebrew. When discussing a topic in ancient languages, one must often look at the context in which a word is used to understand it's full meaning. There are numerous times in the Bible when it speaks of killing as a duty to follow the law, or as a soldier. If one looks at the most base of laws, and then looks at the commandments, they see basic common sense laws, that anyone should know. Killing an enemy to protect one's self, or to protect family or country was deemed then as appropriate, and is deemed so today. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Well, just for the record, soldiers are NOT trained to kill, if they have a choice, they are trained to wound. Badly wound, but wound non-the-less. Their logic? If you kill someone, you tick off his friends. If you wound him, they will try to help him, and it generally takes 2 people to carry one person. So, by military logic, if you critically wound an enemy soldier, 3 people are out of action, not just one. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
I don't understand how you construe this as a "blow to the Christian facade", Neptune. I am a Christian, and do not see myself as "Holier-than-thou" by any means. To each his own, people will have to answer for their own decisions when they die. A person's religion is NOT my concern. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 7:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Crash, as a former weapons and range instructer, I can tell you that troops are taught one thing on the weapons range, and that is to kill. They are taught to shoot for teh center of mass, and that is the chest. If someone is wounded, yes, it does take 2 to 3 of his own people to care for him, unless they kill him themselves to end his cries, but if you win the battle, then under the rules of war, the shoe is on the other foot and you must care for him and tend his wounds. Also, a wounded man may return to fight you another day. A dead man does not. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Two Spirit, as a former Infantry Combat Veteran, with 101st Airborne Division, I can reply. "Yes, we were taught to fire at center mass, for several reasons. 1. For reasons mentioned above. 2. Because it is a larger target then trying to teach head shots. BUT, we were told to try to injure, and they probably did hope for a fatal injury, just not one that killed right away. I mean, if the injured takes 2 more out of combat, to carry him to the medics, and then dies a few hours later, that would take care of all of it. Lowers the # of enemy soldiers, and temporarily removes 2 more from combat. |
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Date: 11/25/2003 4:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
The shoot to wound idea is a concept that is often touched on, mainly for it's psychological impact. It was not something we discussed when instructing weapons classes, but something that was taught in other classes. Our job was to teach people to become proficient with their various weapons so that if they had to use them, that they could do so and and do it good enough to insure killing shots. Those same classes where shoot to wound was mentioned also often stated that if deadly force were authorized, especially in security type situations, it was best if possible to wound with enough effect to incapacitate the individual. Most of our weapons and range instructers though were veterans, and we believed in the shoot to kill theory, and preferably the one shot, one kill theory. It is the same theory the enemy uses. |
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Date: 11/25/2003 10:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 12133
Personally, I would shoot to kill also. A wounded man can still fight. |
Date: 11/25/2003 10:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Gee all my comments have been deleted, guess free speach about about murdering babies isn't tolerated??  |
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Date: 11/26/2003 6:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
I guess it depends on what side of the free speech side you are on Firstborn. And since this is Debate only a USM Admin can delete comments. Nope no bias here. |
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Date: 11/26/2003 7:06:00 AM ( Lin-Admin )
FB,I have just checked this Entire Post and the Only comment I am seeing from you is the Last one you left Hon "Date: 11/25/2003 10:33:00 PM From Authorid: 16671 Gee all my comments have been deleted, guess free speach about about murdering babies isn't tolerated??" :(...NO Comments At All were deleted :(...Maybe you responded to another Post like this one but I assure you did not leave any other comments here...If you check the comment count you will see for yourself, Nothing has been deleted...Sorry for jumping on your Post Author :(...Have a Great Day Everyone... Much Love In Spirit, |
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Date: 11/26/2003 7:38:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
FIRST BORN: I haven't deleted (nor do I ever delete) messages. If you posted something here - I can't say what could have happened - but it wasn't me deleting anything. I am a firm believer in free speech (for ALL). |
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Date: 11/26/2003 7:40:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62410
No problem LIN-ADMIN: I'm curios too why she thinks I or you deleted her comments - FIRSTBORN, why don't you repost - we'd love to hear what you have to say. |
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Date: 11/28/2003 7:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Totally my BAD, I think I got the wrong post. Hey ya have to forgive me, I'm old and slow of mind this week. Sorry ya'll. |
