Date: 11/22/2003 12:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 59418
thats horrible :S  |
Date: 11/22/2003 1:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 60052
I can't justify it under any condition, not even under the conditions of rape or birth defects. There is no difference to me. As soon as those two cells join, I consider that life has begun. There is always the option for adoption to give that child a chance at life. If it is killed, the child has no options.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 1:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 53507
But what if its a 10 or 11 year old that gets raped and pregnant?  |
Date: 11/22/2003 1:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
Thats the most horrible thing I've ever heard. . . Kinda makes ya think...They charging that Peterson dude with murder to an UNBORN child. . So they consider that murder...But an abortion isnt considered murder? Hmm. .  |
Date: 11/22/2003 1:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
Mizzmintz, what would be the difference in putting that child through something as horrible as a partial birth abortion or just having her deliver a LIVE baby????? UGH.... If someone knows that their daughter has been raped and is pregnant, they shouldnt wait until the baby is 7 months in the womb before getting the abortion.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 1:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Yeah, Social Slacker, if the FATHER kills an unborn baby, its murder, if a mother does it, its "pro-choice"  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 1:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
Just doesn't make sense. . |
Date: 11/22/2003 2:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Crash, you simply do not know what you are talking about. Oh, you THINK you do; as do many many people, who do not, nor will not, check out the FACTS. You are NOT a medical doctor; not an obstretician/surgeon, and do not have access to ALL the myriad of medical abnormaladies and freaks of nature, things that DO happen in REALITY. Please, please, everyone, you must not think like, or set your mindset on a healthy, normal baby, when thinking of partial birth abortion! That IS precisely what the knee-jerk, EMOTION thinking, ignorant pro-lifer's do, with their graphic images and false information, and propaganda which has HUGE chunks of FACTS omitted! From reading this propaganda, or listening to these people, one gets the FALSE impression that partial birth abortions are done ALL THE TIME, everywhere, and for ANY ole dang reason at all! This is simply
NOT SO! It is rare, in comparison, and ONLY as a last call; last resort, and ONLY when there is extenuating diagnostic circumstances and extremely poor prognosis. This involves MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than you can imagine. Here, go to THIS site, and check out just ONE situation where it would be much more humane to have a partial birth abortion, than to let the baby be born and then only to die a slow, excruciatingly painful death within hours or days AFTER birth. This is JUST ONE example. Please, won't you take a look, and THEN please THINK about what you would do in this situation. ???
http://asylumeclectica.com/malady/archives/harlequin.htm
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Date: 11/22/2003 2:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
I'm not referring to cases where an abortion is a matter of life and death, I am mainly referring to abortions that are done as a form of birth control. If it is a medical neccesity, then I could understand. I can also understand if someone was raped. However, not ALL abortion cases are due to medical problems, or rape, they are simply done because the mother decides she doesn't want the baby. And by that matter, are YOU a medical doctor, or an OB/GYN? |
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Date: 11/22/2003 2:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
And as far as abortion as a means to keep a child from dying a slow, painful death, my son, before he was born, was diagnosed with spina bifida. A potentially fatal disease, or if the child lives, they will be in pain for their entire life. My ex and I were seriously contemplating her getting an abortion FOR MEDICAL REASONS. Fortunately, the doctor turned out to be an idiot, and my son didn't have it. |
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Date: 11/22/2003 2:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Sorry, Crash, but you SPECIFICALLY mention partial birth abortion in this post! |
Date: 11/22/2003 2:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
Yuck! I'm thinking though may be reality that site thinker provided might not have been g-rated...*Cringes*  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 2:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
But, how many pregnancies occur, where they discover "new evidence" that warrants an abortion, at 7 months or so? Most abnormalities are discovered well before this time. There are exceptions, but they should be very few, wouldn't you think? |
Date: 11/22/2003 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 3688
Crash....I just wanted to say I'm really glad your son turned out alright, though I have to disagree with someone with spina bifida being in pain all the time :)  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
True, I do specifically mention partial-birth abortions. And I still feel that most of them are NOT medically necessary, they are just someone getting rid of unwanted kids. Medically necessary? Fine, I don't have a problem with that. |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Dreamer, like I said, the doctor who told us all of that, was an idiot, so I tend to dismiss 99% of what we were told. At the time, we were scared, and looking at our options. |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 3688
lol i know all about idiot doctors...anyone remember my kidney infection that turned out to be appendicitis? Reason I brought up the spina bifida was I was wondering whether it was the idiot doctor or you who thought that :) |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
It was what we were told, Dreamer. something like 1 in 10,000 chance he didn't have it. Went to a specialist, and he said it was like .001 over the limit, or something like that, and it was more like a 1 in 10,000 chance he MIGHT have it. |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 3688
sorry...i meant the pain thing :) I don't understand doctor's at all...Freaking you guys out like that. |
Date: 11/22/2003 3:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 24319
I know someone who had a partial birth abortion. SHE said it was the most horrible thing that she has ever done and now carries around the guilt, and she says she will till the day she dies. Was there a medical problem? Nope. Was she raped? Nope. Was she extreamly young? Nope. She was 20, old enough to care for a child. Her family didn't want her to have the baby. They pressured her into getting one. I am pro-Do whatever the hell you want as long as it doesn't affect me. BUT, I don't care how often partial birth abortions are done, it's a morally wrong thing to do. EVEN if she was raped, there is no reason she couldn't abort months earlier.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 3:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
I went to the link you sent. I never even heard of this. This is terrible!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
Carrie I really agree with that statement. I personally could never have any kind of abortion unless something was terribly wrong. I sure wouldn't wait till the baby was that old. This is so sick! I can't believe some people are this selfish! |
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Date: 11/22/2003 3:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
I went to the link also. Aside from people a terrible disease no one should have, WHAT does this have to do with partial birth abortions? Is this disease only detectable in the last tri-mester? Is a partial birth the ONLY means of terminating that pregnancy? |
Date: 11/22/2003 5:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
You need to decide whether or not you want the baby right after you find out you're pregnant.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 5:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 28071
I've never used the rating system before, but Id mark this one bad (((lol))). Dave/Fearfactor  |
Date: 11/22/2003 5:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 14780
This post is really graphic....  |
Date: 11/22/2003 6:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 29262
**Falls down and starts crying** I cannot believe people do this. I am trying to talk my uncles g/f outta doing that. Thanks for giving me more of a reason to stop her. I think this is terrible and whoever does this needs to die a slow painful death like their baby. If they do not want their child or gets raped and pregnant at a very young age, They could give the baby up for adoption. I wanted them to make this illegal b4 I read this but I didn't know the gruesome details. **shudders** I am so glad I know no ignorant people who would do this cept my uncles g/f. **hits her over the head**  |
Date: 11/22/2003 9:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 53427
I watched a show on tv about abortion recently. It showed real pictures of aborted babies and it was heartbreaking. I really wish that abortion was not legal, except maybe in extreme cases.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 10:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Crash I agree with you. Plus to those that say what if its a 11 or 12 year old that gets pregnant due to rape, well now days its basically mandatory that doctors ask if they want the morning after pill. That way if they might have got pregnant and of course its too early to tell, they dont have to go through the trama of waiting until thier six or seven weeks along to find out. Abortion is awful and if they are not going to charge a woman for murder when aborting a perfectly HEALTHY and alive baby, then they have no reason to charge any male in this world that kills someone that is pregnant, ,with two murders, only the murder of the person they killed. I mean they cant have it both ways. Either the baby in the womb is a baby, alive but just hasnt taken a breath out of the womb, WHICH doesnt make it any LESS alive, or its not a living healthy baby with feelings. I mean dear lord doctors that have did test say that babies dream while in the womb, they suck their thumbs, they hiccup. So if they hiccup they must be taking something into thier body? NOt air but fluid? Anyway my opinion the second that sperm hits the egg and it divides we have LIFE. Abortion is wrong.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 53558
Oh my God, that is really horrible, Crash. Great big hugs. Take care.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 10:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I have pictures of my grandsons at eighteen weeks, I can't imagine this. With every pregnancy there is a mother who must be accountable for her unborn child. Only she can determine the outcome and only she can decide. Anyone who waits this long to decide, why? If it was rape, there are alternatives, for birth control, never.  |
Date: 11/22/2003 11:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
See this is where people get all confused. Those people that were obtaining abortions THAT late for no other reason BUT that they just didn't want their kid, were obtaining them ILLEGALLY. Each state has been given the right to set it's own standards for when "I don't want my kid" people are allowed to obtain an abortion FOR that reason. After that point in time there has to be medical necessity. In other words the situation has to be at a point where the doctor recommends termination of the pregnancy for whatever he and the parents may feel is cause for termination medically. Women being treated for high risk pregnancies will naturally be monitored more severely from the onset of their pregnancies. Situations that require termination will most likely be caught early on. However that doesn't discount the women that aren't considered high risk that suddenly become high risk. Now I have had two children, neither one were high risk. I had ONE ultrasound at 16 weeks for each of them. Insurance companies only cover one and will only cover more than that if the doctor recommends more. You are looking at an array of medical situations where the process should be legal. It shouldn't be legal at all whatsoever for anyone to just decide so far along in a pregnancy that they just don't want their babies. Now that it has been made completely illegal and you combine that with the Born Alive Act and for no uncertain reason can a woman obtain an abortion AT ALL WHATSOEVER after the limit set by each individual state. In Ny it is 21 weeks. Regardless of whatever medical problem they or the baby has they have absolutely no choice but to carry the baby to term. The only way that they can terminate a pregnancy is to deliver the child. Once the child is born if there are any signs of life which go down to a pulsating umbilical cord or muscle movement, the hospital MUST do everything in it's power to sustain that life according to the born alive act. There is NO abortion happening now. What comes next? Child abuse charges? For those that just decide they don't want to have their kids and the doctors performing them? SURE! I am all for that! Banning it all together? NOPE! No way, it's just not acceptable.  |
Date: 11/23/2003 12:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 21867
Bottomline is the wrong or right of it is between them and God...  |
Date: 11/23/2003 2:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 18406
Ok yes I am completely against partial birth abortion (Except in special medical situations), but to say yes to making abortion illegal all together is not cool. Imagine this: you're a young girl in love with your boyfriend of 2 years...we'll say that your 18. You're boyfriend asks you to marry him and a week later, you're pregnant. He leaves you with nothing, takes off and his parents won't tell you where he is, and in fact tells you "You can't talk to him anymore- he doesn't want you in his life". So here you are a college freshmen with an engagement ring that means nothing with a baby in your tummy. You have no job, your parents are strict catholics who would kill you if you came home pregnant. So what would you do? I think people need to be more compassionate to woman and let them make their own choices. If abortion becomes illegal, we'll probably have a lot of kids neglected or abused, or over crowded orphanages- not a fun life. I think what goes through the mothers head is that they can't give them a good life and I don't think a lot of them are mature enough emotionally to handle giving the baby up for adoption. I think we need to keep their options open.  |
Date: 11/23/2003 2:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
God plays no part in whether Abortion is right or wrong  |
Date: 11/23/2003 8:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 160
To be certain our system is terribly flawed and backwards. But abortion is murder in every sence of the word and there are always consequences.  |
Date: 11/23/2003 9:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
these scenarios dont phase me for some reason, call me heartless, the kids eyes arent open yet so i dont know how you can use the word "see", but i get your point  |
Date: 11/23/2003 9:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 47218
third trimester abortions are very rarely performed. Most are done in the first trimester (before 12 weeks). As a pro-choicer, I don't support women just arbitrarily opting to have this procedure done-- if a woman carried a baby that close to term, then she ought to take it all the way. But I am angry that they have passed legislation against this procedure with absolutely no contingincies-- anyone who knows medicine can tell you that there are always extenuating circumstances. And I see the ulterior motive here. The procedure is rarely performed. Why is it such a pressing issue? aha-- because pro-lifers know that it is a step towards banning abortion outright. They knew there wouldn't be much resistance in passing this law, especially with a congress full of republicans. How many people are really going to protest such a law? Your opponents can put a nice spin on it and make you look like a freakin barbarian: "so-and-so supports babies having their brains sucked out." And the upshot-- you say that a woman doesn't have a right to make a decision in this situation, why not every situation? As for the Laci Peterson case-- of course it's not a far step legally from declaring someone else's termination of pregancy murder to passing the same verdict on a women's termination of her own pregnancy, and that's the whole point. Again, there's an ulterior motive.  |
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Date: 11/23/2003 12:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
...then theres no problem then, is there RodTodd... |
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Date: 11/23/2003 1:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 160
If people are to show compassion, to whom do they show it? To the young girl who got herself into that situation or to the inocent child that she conceived and is going to suffer death because of her lack of judgement and maturity? And the consequences of her actions should never have abortion as an option. There are other choices that she can make that do not involve abortion. |
Date: 11/23/2003 3:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 54111
FB I agree with I can see if a baby is harming the person physically, that someone will have to abort it. I am speaking about people who kill their baby because they made a mistake. Just because you can't see the baby does not make it real. I try to be careful but if someone was trying to kill my baby I would try for the life of me to save it. Even though I am the man. I will raise it find a mother for it. It sickens me personally. Basically people need to wear protection before they get into these situations. And if you do, deal with it, raise the kid. We talk about Osama bin laden murdering people, How many people in this country kill their own flesh and blood before it sees the light of day.  |
Date: 11/23/2003 5:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Abortion must remain legal & safe. Women will not stop having them. However-I believe "partial-birth abortion" is murder. Pure & simple.  |
Date: 11/23/2003 6:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 15998
I keep seeing people bashing the "what is an 11 or 12 year old was raped?" What if she was drugged and had absolutly no memory of it and only found out several months later? Sometimes when people start having their periods they skip a month here and there, so she may not notice for a while. Is it still wrong then for a rape victim to get one? And those senerios you described are completely different. You can't have a partial abortion birth just because you don't want the baby. Also, babies that are just born don't have feelings of peacefulness etc. They learn them over time in stages. You make it seem like the baby is laying there all happy and excited to be alive.  |
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Date: 11/23/2003 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Thank You Molly, I believe I have said the same thing on several other posts concerning these laws being passed. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 12:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Abortions do happen. I'm glad some people here don't make the laws, perhaps they need to deal with it. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Well, I'm glad some people here aren't having kids. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Well, Scooter, unless the 11 year old is sexually active, she would probably have at least a general idea that she's been raped. Also, someone going THAT long, without knowing they are pregnant is almost impossible. Granted, it has happened, but its very rare. Also, when you can PROVE the baby isn't lying there happy and content, then let me say they are, you can't prove any different. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 15998
Rare, yes, but it could happen. Any child development book would tell you about babies developing emotions, so there must be some proof somewhere. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Ok, I can go along with that. But since a baby can't verbally communicate, I'd like to know the authors logic in making this conclusion. It's like "experts" saying a dog is color blind, but my dog would go pick up any color ball that I said. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 15998
Actually, here are some websites that mention what I am talking about :
http://www.pbrookes.com/store/books/klass-3963/excerpt.htm
http://babiestoday.com/resources/articles/littlefeelings.htm
http://www.coolschool.k12.or.us/courses/050500/lessons/assignments/05/index.html
http://www.stutzfamily.com/mrstutz/APPsych/motivation/outline.htm
I thought they might be helpful :)
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Date: 11/24/2003 6:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 15998
Maybe there are different shades of grey etc for each color? Lol I don't know. By the way, I don't agree with partial-birth abortion. I think it is sad, but I know I can't rule it out, because I'm sure that sometime, somewhere there will be a case where I will ISH agree that it is "okay" to do. |
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Date: 11/24/2003 7:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
YEP bigdaddi, I think abortion is wrong. I know that some circumstances people talk about such as rape of little girls, it may have to be done. I don't condone it but then thats not my choice in the matter. Your right people that kill thier child just because they didnt have the good sense to use protection, or after they get pregnant find out the man doesnt want to marry them, to get an abortion for *convinence* is worse than anything I think and there are too many of those types of abortion going on. Some say, well if the mother doesnt want it that it will be abuse if she is FORCED to have it. Well I say to that, no one FORCED her to have sex to get pregnant, no one forced her to NOT use protection. I've often heard also that protection doesn't always work. Well if one doesnt want a baby, and they KNOW protection doesnt work, then they need to get fixed. IF women didnt have the abortion laws in order to get abortions then many people say, they would just go to a back wood butcher, but I say to that, that is THEIR CHOICE. I personal dont think that abortion should be legal at all.
SCOOTER::::: BABIES CAN FEEL PAIN isnt that enough? |
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Date: 11/24/2003 8:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Well said, FB!! *applause* |
Date: 11/26/2003 8:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 57723
I've done a report on abortion. My friend might be pregnant, but it wasn't her choice cause accidents do happen now and then if she goes for an abortion if she really is im with her all the way no matter what im with her  |
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Date: 11/26/2003 10:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 15998
FIRSTBORN I NEVER said I agree with it completely. I don't like it at all, but I'm not going to say people can't do because you never know what could happen. You make me sound like a vicious baby killing machine... |
Date: 11/26/2003 11:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
FB - studies have shown plants can feel pain to. That doesnt stop us from picking and chopping them down, does it? I think abortion is the same. Even in Ireland, when it was made illegal, women ferried across to england to get abortions.  |
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Date: 11/26/2003 11:50:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Corn feels pain when you pick it, so therefore, its ok to shove a metal rod in a kids brain and kill it? Somehow that doesn't compare in my brain. |
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Date: 11/26/2003 12:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
I believe that the point of his argument was in rebuttal to FB's argument that something that a procedure that causes pain to another being should be allowed. By the same argument, if it can be demonstrated that plants and animals feel pain (as it apparently has been) then we should stop consuming them, which would leave us in a pretty sore spot. Anyhow, if pain is really an issue here, why not use anesthesia on the fetus? |
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Date: 11/26/2003 12:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
of course, I'm a little skeptical about that bit about plants and pain. How can something without a neurological system experience pain? |
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Date: 11/27/2003 10:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
Yup to Mollycat's 1st comment, and to the 2nd my mom did biochemistry at uni, had botanist friends who were doing experiments about plants - apparently the hormone frequency or something (dont quote me on that) changes when the plant is exposed to what we would describe as physical pain. But that's kinda off topic... |
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Date: 11/28/2003 7:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Thanks crash, sorry, but I've been gone for a few days. Scooter I'm NOT saying that, but your last comment simply had NO compassion for the children in question being murdered. THEY feel Pain just like you. Would you sit still for someone to come up to you and say, I'm fixing to shove this rod in your head and suck your brain out? I think not.
firestorm, LOL, ALL THINGS apparently feel pain, or so some studies might show, but of how many of these things have a soul and spirit? Mollycat, I'm sorry but that is a cold answer, so by drugging them NOT to feel pain, its then OK to kill them and send the spriit back to God?? That is just sick. |
Date: 11/29/2003 7:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 51456
i am speechless, this is awful and that women is an awful personia m almsot crying as i think about it now.. she must want to kill herself, she should. is this real or si someone seriosly cruel?  |
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Date: 11/29/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
I'm sorry Firstborn, but you said "babies can feel pain, isn't that enough?" I'm just pointing out that that argument can easily be gotten around. |
Date: 12/8/2003 12:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
No offense, but it's the woman's choice. If she wants to get an abortion, let her - it's her own business and she's the one who will have to deal with it. But if you disagree with it, just don't do it. I know that if I was raped, had a deformed baby in me, or if my life was in danger, I would sure as heck get an abortion, but that's just me.  |
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Date: 12/8/2003 3:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
I feel that if you were raped, had a deformed baby, or your life was in danger, those are reasonable excuses for having an abortion. Its mainly the one who do it just because they choose to get rid of it, for no other reason than they don't want it. And MAINLY those that do it as a partial-birth. |
Date: 12/8/2003 10:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Do you remember what it was like in your mother's womb? I doubt it. I don't condone abortion as a means of birth control but I certainly don't agree that a woman who has been raped deserves to suffer that memory every time she looks at her child...the child she has grown to hate because of the circumstances surrounding its creation. I also don't agree with trading off the life of the mother for the life of the unborn in cases where the mother may die if she chooses to attempt to give birth. The child is not born, has very little in the way of experiences, hasn't become part of the world. It's a personal decision. Go ahead and scream murder all you like and if you're ever in that position you can make your own decision. And if you're ever in that position, post pics. You'd look funny pregnant.  |
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Date: 12/9/2003 12:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
^^^^^ If you read, I said that I could understand getting an abortion due to rape. |
Date: 12/15/2003 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 58078
Wow this is deep but noone can say unless they are in that situation...depending on the reason for abortion etc.  |
Date: 12/15/2003 2:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
I cannot believe that you would post this when you know that young children come to this site. I don't care what your choice is in the war on abortion but to subject young children to this type of post is irresponsible. I thought this was a G rated site open to all, with your graffic story and biased opinion you could be letting a lot of young children in for a shock. Maybe their parents don't want them to read this stuff and because they have gone on USM and found it to be a g rated site they were not expecting this junk.  |
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Date: 12/15/2003 3:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Yeah, reality sucks, doesn't it? Its ok to do this to a baby, as long as people don't have to hear about it.
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Date: 12/16/2003 7:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
it is not a baby, it is a feotus and for you to inflict your views on others in this manner is not right. I thought better of you. :o) |
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Date: 12/16/2003 11:27:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Its a post, Magoo. I have just as much right to post my views here, as everyone else. That's why its in the "debate" section. And as always, if people don't want to read it, they can click that little "X" i the top right corner. |
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Date: 12/16/2003 12:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
You know, its funny. People keep saying things like "Its not a baby, its a fetus. But if it was THEIR baby, that they wanted, and they lost it, then they would be upset at the loss of their baby. I have yet to hear anyone who had a miscarriage, at ANY point of their pregnancy, tell someone "I lost my fetus!" Its always "I lost my BABY" So does the difference between a "fetus" and a "baby" to a non-medical person, depend on whether or not the baby is wanted? |
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Date: 12/16/2003 12:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
Most women I know that have had a miscarriage have said just that "I had a miscarriage." I know you are entitled to your post and opinion the same as everyone but seriously, you must realise how graffic this is and do you honestly think that after that first little sentence that a child will click off of it? I find it not very G rated. Strange that it has lasted so long. |
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Date: 12/16/2003 12:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
Oh well, not your call. |
Date: 12/16/2003 4:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 998
This post has been posted before on this site. It does borderline on being too gruesome and graphic for even me, let alone young readers. I believe that we left this post up many months ago when it was first posted because it shows the destructive nature that the simple word 'abortion' is. With very young girls having babies these days, maybe they should see that these lives are not disposable humans. Also, the young men might do good to know what responsibility they have when entering into a relationship with a girl. Sometimes shock value has it's place. I know seeing a cancer riddled lung being dissected in 7th grade stopped me from wanting to ever start smoking. That was very graphic too, but it's point hit home. If you have an opinion on this post, I only ask that you submit it, but try understand that there are many flip sides to abortion. This is only one of them.  |
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Date: 12/23/2003 6:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
http://www.geocities.com/bkaerchr/babyshand.html This is a pic, and story that I got off another post. It shows a 21 week old fetus. Still at a time in the pregnancy that an abortion can be performed..now tell me at this part of the pregnancy, that its not alive..or able to feel pain. |
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Date: 12/23/2003 6:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 12133
The post I got that from, was Wooden Nickel's "Today was Daddy's Day" post. |
