Date: 1/29/2004 10:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 62506
The Neph'i'lim of the pre Flood era is a fovorite topic of mine. Could it be that this is where Hercules came from,PamyJo? your friend..woodshed
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Date: 1/29/2004 10:27:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
I love it when you talk dirty!  |
Date: 1/29/2004 11:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
I believe it is indeed possible, especially when the World was "Young" if you will, that great Spiritual Beings, like Angels, did indeed have relationships with Human Woman, and produce offspring. I also believe that Giants did indeed walk the Earth. There are actually Occult traditions today that teach/practice relations with "Higher Beings". I believe this is one Biblical story that is indeed true.  |
Date: 1/29/2004 11:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 62085
not only is it true, but it is still going on today. One example is the case of Robert Wadlow, tallest man in our time 8ft ++. He is buried with a pyramid headstone, Masonic symbols on it, The Freemasons knew what he was. Satan ordered his rebel angels to interbreed with mankind, in hope of spoiling the seed/lineage of man, this would prevent Messiah from being born. Noah's family was the only family whose bloodline was still pure. Noah was chosen for the ark, not because he was the holiest man alive, it was his bloodline/lineage that was pure. The new feel-good carnival type churches whose goal is raising $$, instead of saving souls will never explain this, wouldnt want to offend anyone's purse or wallet, i suppose..  |
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Date: 1/29/2004 11:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 62085
Good post, yes the class of angels called the "Watchers" did take notice of women, and were attracted. The watcher class are the order that is able to assume human form, btw. The wearing of a shroud/veil by women 1st started because of this. They covered their faces for fear of the angels... that passage refers to this, they didnt want to draw attn. to theirselves.. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 12:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Nightmare Rulez-that is an interseting theory. (ie: Satan having his followers breed with human females in order to attempt to prevent the Christ Child from being concieved), however, that is not what the Bible says. Nor, does the Bible stipulate that relations between Humans & Angels are forbidden. The Bible says that "the sons of the [true] God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives ", which would imply to me, that the Angels were in fact ATTRACTED to the Women, and since they took them for "Wives" (as opposed to concubines, or raping them), then indeed there was more than a Satanic plot involved. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 12:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Also, Watchers are an Occult teaching. They are not mentioned in the Bible.The only Angels mentioned in the Bible are the Cherubim, the Seraphim, and Archangels. |
Date: 1/29/2004 12:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
I suppose this would be the 900 Foot tall giants as recorded in the Book of Enoch which was part of the bible up until about the year 1000AD. Perhaps the 900 foot tall giants mentioned in that book is why the Christian church in Rome removed that book from the bible and ordered all copies destroyed. Its great that a copy of the book of Enoch survived. For those who arent aware, the Biblical version of Noah and the Ark story are very loosely based on a far older version of the flood story and the far older version of the great flood and the humans who survived it was preserved on clay tablets which lay buried under the rubble of the library at Nineveh and were not discovered until the year 1845. That original story is far different and much more detailed than the Biblical version. Bye for now. Enki  |
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Date: 1/29/2004 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I think one of the biggest problems with Biblical teaching(s), is the fact that people take what is written in the Bible, and either apply it to what THEY believe (ie: use the Bible to validate a pre-disposed idea), or people add on too Biblical teachings, thereby either loosing it's original meaning, or corrupting the Word which some people truly believe was provided by God, to Man. How, a Satanic plot to corrupt the Birth of the Christ Child from these few passages, is an example of arguments about doctrine are started, not just among Christians, but non-Christians & Christians. Now, Nightmare Rules, I am not picking on you, but can you provide anything in the Bible which specifically states that realtions between humans & Angels are forbidden, AND, that only Noah's family remained "pure"? |
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Date: 1/29/2004 12:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
the Bible itself warns "These Words Shall not be added unto, nor taken away". As ENKI has pointed out, I don't believe a single copy of a "pure" Bible (God's Word) could possibly exist. Man has certainly "taken away from" & "added unto", what had been presented at one time as "The Word of God". |
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Date: 1/29/2004 12:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
but to answer the original question, yes, Humans & Angels did marry & have families, I believe. |
Date: 1/29/2004 1:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Hey!! Who's sweet-talking my girl????  |
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Date: 1/29/2004 2:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
They produced giants, men of old and fame, They were bullies, hence the name fellers. Wickedness spread throughout and Jehovah felt regret that he had ever made man. This is what led up to the flood of Noahs day, when the waters came the angels that forsook their dwelling places in heaven abandon their human forms. The children they produced were all destroyed. These angels can no longer take on flesh and blood bodies for themselves. (Fortunatly for us) They are demons. |
Date: 1/29/2004 2:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 28989
With so many versions of the Bible around, it gets very confusing. That's why I always think of Christ's central teaching--to love God and love thy neighbor as thyself. As PamyJo pointed out on another post in the Religion section, Christ said that on those two commandments hang all the others and the prophets. As LSG pointed out, it doesn't get us very far arguing about all the fine points and personal interpretations (and which, if any, Bible is the "true" one), because the big picture is lost. The Pharisees (legalists) argued about all the fine points of the Law and got nowhere. I also agree with Enki that the stories of the Bible were often handed down through generations before they were committed to paper (for instance, the flood story started as a Sumerian account of a river flood that later became a sea flood and then a world flood as the story was passed on). But somehow this transformed into the story of Noah, with its lesson about God being displeased with evil and disobedience but still loving us enough to promise never to destroy the Earth again. Whether the Flood and the ark story really happened or not is beside the point; it's the spiritual teaching that matters. It's probably the same with the angels and giants. You find angel and giant-like beings in all of the major religions and "mythologies" of the ancient world, and they may all have been based on real beings--or not!  |
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Date: 1/29/2004 2:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
But PamyJo-I thought Angels could still take human form. Does the Bible warn us to be kind to strangers, lest Angels catch us unaware? |
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Date: 1/29/2004 2:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Also, I don't think there is anywhere in the Bible where it is taught that Angels cannot take flesh bodies anymore. I think that is a "teaching". as opposed to Biblical Doctrine. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 2:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Yes, Canoe, that is true....:):):) |
Date: 1/29/2004 2:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I don't believe the sons of God is being referred to angels of God, nor angels of Satan in these passages. God calls His followers, "His children", "His sons and daughters." It was/is God's law that His children be not unequally yoked with those who are not of Him. God said to His people in Deut 7: 2-4 "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods." In Ezra 9:1-2 it says, "The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass. God taught in the O.T. and the N.T. that His people are not to be unequally yoked with sinners. (2 Cor 6:14) The men of God were called "the sons of God", "the children of God". Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Phil 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world.  |
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Date: 1/29/2004 2:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
thank you Barb! That is another way to look at this too. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 2:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
There were giants in the earth at that time according to the Scriptures. Deut 2:20 That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; ( aka Zuzims). Deut 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants. Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out. Amos 2:9: Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks. These two passages gives us an idea as to the heights of the giants. Numbers 13: 33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. Deut 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man. (According to my figure, which I could be wrong, the bed of Og would have measured about thirteen feet if his bed was made a little larger than he was. The height of Og is estimated to have been about eleven or twelve feet.) |
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Date: 1/29/2004 2:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I do not believe these passages are referring to angels of God, nor of Satan. I believe they are referring to God's people who married evil women(daughters of evil men) and brought about more wickedness, which lead to God destroying the world by water. The people,including His own, disregarded God's commands and caused God to grieve that He even made mankind.
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Date: 1/29/2004 5:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
thank you Barb. Now-that makes sense. If we follow the theory that the first promise of s personal Savior (Jesus) was made to Eve when she was told that Her seed would "Crush the Serpent's Head", it would follow that Satan would do whatever he needed to tempt, or otherwise corrupt Man(kind). Then again, Man has always had a problem giving into his base nature. I sometimes wondered why God was so admant about the Faithful & non-believers being unevenly yoked. (After all, wouldn't it be a good thing, in theory, for a believer to be with a non-believer, where the believer's influence could bring someone else into a personal relationship with God?) But now I realize, after thinking things through, it seems easier for people to "Fall away", then to embrace, the Christian God. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 5:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Also, it did not take many generations from Adam & Eve to Noah, for man to become so corrupt that God felt the need to destroy His creation. Also, wasn't it Noah's son Ham, who became the Grandfather of Cush, who in turn was the Father of Nimrod? (I might have my facts mixed-up. In fact I probably do, it's been a while since I read the Old Testament). That means that within a few Generations after Noah, Mankind headed on a self-destructive path again. If the Bible account is correct. There are many Traditions & Religions that share a flood-myth/story. But we also know, that behind every great myth, is a grain of truth. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I found an awesome link <http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/2003/Spring/Giants/#GiantsInMythAndHistory> that covers a lot of ground on the topic of Giants, including the Biblical account. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 5:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Some of the information from the link I provided includes "DIVINE INTERVENTION:
Giants are the result of interbreeding between humans and fallen angels, with the intent of creating a "master race". This master race, some believe, was intended to rule over the earth and over homo sapiens, eventually supplanting homo sapiens entirely.
Though the first two solutions are reasonable — and may also be part of the equation — by far the most commonly reported origin of the giants of old was that they were born of divine parentage. As we saw in Part II of our Atlantis series, many of the ancient texts of mankind tell of a time when divine beings came down to earth and, tempted by the beauty of human women, took wives from among them and sired offspring that grew to be gigantic in stature. As Larkin & Teale explain in their classic popular work on the subject, Giants,
Giants varied in size, but were certainly beyond classification by human standards both in terms of size and power. For example, the Book of Enoch relates that angels sent by God to guard the earth were seduced by the beauty of terrestrial women who subsequently gave birth to demoniacal sons 3,000 cubits [approx. 4,500 feet] high. Later, ancient historians tell us, Og, the King of Bashan, who lived three thousand years, escaped the Flood by wading only knee-deep beside the Ark. He was able to roast a freshly caught fish by holding it up to the sun. Upon his death, one of his bones was used as a bridge to span a river. Attempting to destroy an Israelite camp, mighty Og ripped up a mountain six miles long at its base and bore it on his head on the trek towards the camp. Fortunately Moses, a comparative sprat merely ten cubits tall, jumped high into the air to strike Og on his forty-five foot high ankle with a ten-cubit long axe, thus felling and ultimately slaying his foe.1
Although the Jewish legendary material regarding the huge size of Og and Moses are clearly midrashic in nature, the Bible makes no bones about the existence of giants in the ancient world, both in the antediluvian world and afterwards. As Moses said in Genesis 6:4, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also afterwards". Giants have plagued Earth since the very earliest times, and the earliest known records of giants in the Earth come from the land of the Bible: the ancient Near East"<-----I do not have a problem believing in Giants. I don't believe in 600-ft Giants. (Just too far fetched for me). But I know a young man right now in his early 30's who is 7-ft tall.
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Date: 1/29/2004 5:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Cathy, I have two sons who are 6 ft and two who are over. One is 6' 3'' and the other is 6' 5''. Two of my youngest son's friends stand almost 7 ft. Ya know..I have never done a serious study as to where the giants of the Bible came from. This is a very interesting subject, and hopefully I will get a chance to look deeper into it soon. Thanx for the link. I will check it out. :) |
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Date: 1/29/2004 7:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Those giants are no longer a race of people, they were all destroyed in the flood. Any one that is above average in height is a result of genetic codes and DNA. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I agree PamyJo. :) |
Date: 1/29/2004 7:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I've read the book of enki, ENKI, and it doesnt line up with the rest of the bible, there fore I don't believe that it was written by man under the unction of the Holy spirit like the rest of the bible. And we have been through this before as to the height of the giants, I proved you wrong then and your wrong now. Yes pammy jo, your right they are no longer here, and yes they were demons as well as giants.  |
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Date: 1/29/2004 7:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I've read the book of enki, ENKI, and it doesnt line up with the rest of the bible, there fore I don't believe that it was written by man under the unction of the Holy spirit like the rest of the bible. And we have been through this before as to the height of the giants, I proved you wrong then and your wrong now. Yes pammy jo, your right they are no longer here, and yes they were demons as well as giants. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 7:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
ACtually pammyjo, if you notice there are many things we DO agree on. The diety of Jesus isnt one of them, but so many other things we do. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 9:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
smiling @ Barb. There is promise my own son will be well over 6-ft too. Sounds like you have some handsome, big guys! :) You should be proud! Back to the subject at hand, it just happens, tonight George Noory (from Coast-To-Coast) is talking about THIS VERY SUBJECT! (I really think there are no coincidences in life! LOL). Anyway, this man is a Christian, and has studied the book of Revelations for over 50 years. He believes the reason Fallen Angels (which he says are actually different than demons), started the whole human/alien/fallen Angel hybreds for this reason: We already know that 1/3 of the Angels (according to the Bible fell. That means that they will always be 2/3 short the army of Heaven. Satan can use the human-hybred spirits, even after their physical bodies die, to fill out his army. Now-I am going to find the link for this guy, because he does not sound like a nut. He really makes sense. BRB |
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Date: 1/29/2004 9:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
here it is! <http://www.khouse.org/> the mans name is Chuck Miser, and he explains the whole Giants/Aliens/humans/Fallen Angels thing really well. Like I said, he doesn't sound like a nut. |
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Date: 1/29/2004 9:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Here's the recap:"Recap
UFOs & the Bible
The whole UFO area makes no sense "unless you put it into a biblical context," said author Dr. Chuck Missler (khouse.org), Wednesday's main guest. His studies have led him to conclude that UFOs are "hyperdimensional" in origin and that the aliens are actually "fallen angels" that have the ability to materialize in deceiving forms.
"You and I are being propelled into a time that the Bible says more about than any time in history," Missler continued. He said that reports of alien abduction and their genetic experimentations were part of a larger plan of deception by evil forces that seek to "contaminate the human race and thwart the plan of God."
It will come down to a "cosmic war" and Missler contends we will all be pawns in it. In the "final battle," he said the world at large will knowingly take up arms against God, because they will be deceived by the coming world leader. Missler said at this point "it's a waste of time" to guess who that leader is, though he believes he is alive now. "
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Date: 1/29/2004 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
That's a great site you shared Spirit Child. I've read alot of Chucks publications and don't see him as a nut either. I've been meaning to take in one of his shows (live talks) see'n how His camp is only about 20 minutes from my home. Just haven't done it yet...but yea, Koinonia House is a great site!! |
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Date: 1/30/2004 10:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
SpiritChild, that was great info you shared with us, thanks. |
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Date: 1/30/2004 9:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Dan & Deb-I am glad you enjoyed it. Dan-as I mentioned, I heard Dr. Chuck Missler talking with George Noory on my favorate radio show (Coast To Coast AM-It used to be my friend Art Bell's Radio show). I was so impressed listening to Dr. Chuck Missler. He also followed-up his statements with good facts & additional sources. I, also, would not mind seeing this man speak live. If he comes to Florida, I probably will. :):):) |
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Date: 1/30/2004 10:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 28989
I've been reading a lot about aliens recently, and I've also come to the conclusion that they're not aliens at all, but are more like spirits. They just act so strange, not at all like "intelligent beings," and both they and their "ships" change forms, disappear instantly, etc.. Some of them have been described as "giants" also, though most of them are described as short. I wonder if they had been mistaken as angels or faeries in the past. I also wonder if some of the biblical visions, like Ezekiel's wheel, are related to UFO's. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 12:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Spirit child, I use to listen to him daily on his radio program , if you do get the chance, do go, and please tell me all about it when you do. The man is good. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 6:10:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Debbie, how is listening to a man's ideas any different than having a companion book to the bible? Also Cathy, What you said and although unknowingly agrees with what the bible says about the end of this sytem of things. These are fallen angels (Demons) and they are here to mislead us. And the culmination will be the final battle (Armeggedon) and the side that people take in this matter will determine whether they survive it or not. But remember that Satan is still the god of this sytem of things so we would need to step back and take a good long look at what we are doing. And since it says that he keeps transforming himself into an angel of light how would a person know for certain which God he is serving and taking sides with? Jesus said by their fruits you will know them? Look at the fruits that religion produces, each one. If they produce rotten fruit they are from the devil. He said that his sheep would be well fed spiritually and there would be love amongst themselves which is the main quality to look for. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 6:11:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Oh I just figured out why, it is when you agree with the person that makes it ok. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 9:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Pammy there is nothing wrong with a companion book, as long as the companion book isnt leading one away from the truths of the Bible, when ever one has a companion book and it IS NOT lineing up with the bible, or they listen to a preacher and what he is saying doesnt LINE up with what God says, then seek ye first the KINGDOM of God. Because what we need to do, is be able discern what is truth and keep the truth and what is error and throw it out. There are many preachers that I like to listen to, books I like to read on the subject of our lord, or prayer ect, but as I said IF what I'm seeing, hearing doesnt line up, then I don't allow that seed to grow within me. No pammy NOT agree with ME, but agree with God. Yes pammy we will know them by their fruits. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 9:46:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Then there is confusion because I have never picked up any publictaion that the Society publishes that does not do exactly that, lead one to the truth. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 10:16:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Excuse me for about 10 minutes, I know a hard wall I need to go and bang my head on. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 2:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Pammy, I've already banged my head on that hard wall, it doesnt do any good, believe me. LOL |
Date: 1/31/2004 4:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour  |
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Date: 1/31/2004 4:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Good, then when I'm done I'll celebrate with a bowl of Bryers ice Cream. |
Date: 1/31/2004 4:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
If they were all destroyed in the flood then why do they still exist in Numbers 13:33 We saw the Nephilim there. We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same?  |
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Date: 1/31/2004 5:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
They were destroyed in the flood. Noah, his wife and three sons and their wives were the only human survivors. |
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Date: 1/31/2004 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
In Num. 13:33 this name is given to a Canaanitish tribe, a race of large stature, "the sons of Anak." The Revised Version, in these passages, simply transliterates the original, and reads "Nephilim."
(2.) Heb. rephaim, a race of giants (Deut. 3:11) who lived on the east of Jordan, from whom Og was descended. They were probably the original inhabitants of the land before the immigration of the Canaanites. They were conquered by Chedorlaomer (Gen. 14:5), and their territories were promised as a possession to Abraham (15:20). The Anakim, Zuzim, and Emim were branches of this stock. |
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Date: 2/1/2004 10:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 62085
no spirit child, there are 7 orders of angels,There is a great deal revealed in the Bible about angels. They can appear in human form,they spoke as men, took men by the hand, even ate men's food, are capable of direct physical combat, some are the principal forces behind the world powers.
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Date: 2/1/2004 10:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 62085
Also, in Jude, it mentions them:
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 6,7.
Scripture warns against meddling with the spirit world. The punishment which overtook the angels that sinned was to emphasize the serious nature of apostasy: beings of a higher order than ours have been hurled down into a dark place of confinement where they have remained for thousands of years.
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Date: 2/1/2004 10:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Unfortunatly, the demons are here on earth with us still, they have not been locked up as of yet, this is to happen soon, when Jesus throws Satans and his horde of demons into the pit. The evidence is overwhelming that they are presently among us. |
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Date: 2/1/2004 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 62085
fallen angels and demons are different. demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim. Fallen angels are chained right now, but are released during the latter part of tribulation |
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Date: 2/1/2004 1:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 62085
Authorid: 28989 -canoe, bam**, you are correct. ufo's are not material, the wheel inside of a wheel are what you see, it is a hologram. However the U.S. has some at Deluce, N.M. they have a U.S. flag on them. Rods , UFO's etc., are spiritual beings |
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Date: 2/2/2004 4:09:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
Base....I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that what I have learned makes complete sense. The longer that I am on USM the more I understand just how many interpretations there are to the same verse. You are focusing on numbers and missing the main point. Someone else will get half the pint and totally not understand the significance of the numbers. All that I can tell you is that I know for a certainty that I have found truth because Jesus said that what we should look for in his followers is love. Among other things of course but love is the identifying mark. And that there are no splinter groups of JW's as there are with other religions. Doctrines divide them, look at the catholic church and homosexuality. It has split them right down the middle. So as to your question concerning numbers in the bible and some meaning to them, all that I can tell you is that the bible is not a written codes that you would need special insight to decipher. It was written so that we might have hope that the lives that we live, to be born, to live only to die is not all there is to life. And as an instruction manual to help us to put our lives in order while we wait for Jehovah to take out this wicked system of things. |
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Date: 2/2/2004 4:11:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 160
half the pint? I don't even know what I meant with that. |
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Date: 2/2/2004 9:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
PamyJo-I actually have been reading about the connection between alien encounters and historical visits by demons and otherworldly beings. There is no question in my ind there are inhuman creatures, that are intelligent, and definately do NOT have Humans best interests at heart. I have encountered such beings in cemeteries during investigations, and I have been present when such beings are driven from a home. I have approached this from the angle of "What Would Be The Demon(s) Reason For Imitating, Or Simulating Alien Abduction Activity?". After all, if Demons are imitating Aliens, there would have to be a reason for them to put so much energy into it right? Also, if we follow the Judeo-Christian mindset of what Demons are, naturally they would have a motive. All I can figure so far is this: IF (remember we are talking about senerios here) Demons are the Biblical Demons & IF they are really doing this, it would be so that when the announcement is finally made, ("We have Alien Contact"! "We are communicating with Aliens", than people would be so excited & overwhelemed by "Aliens", you know, Gods from the Skies kind of thing, that we (Humans) would be accepting of ANY message they share. Now, this is all speculation. And, it does smack of "conspiracy theory". But, A mind is like an umbrella, it only functions when open. So it would be unfair of me, if I want to know the "Truth", to close my mind to any possibility. Do I believe everything I am told/read/hear? Nope....BUT, behind all stories, and theories, they is a grain of truth, I think. Sorry to sound so long-winded :D Point is: if the "Sky-Brothers pop-in & make CNN Live, I am not going to trust them, nor will I distrust them. They could be enlightened beings, Or, they could be Demons. Till I know, I will not trust them. Make sense? |
Date: 2/3/2004 9:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Here's my take: Fallen angels (Lucifer and minions) came to earth, interacted with "humanoids" (and other beings!), begat all sorts of what we now call "mythical" creatures, and were, for the most part, destroyed by God. "For the most part" allows for something of that interaction to have remained, and to me, I believe that the intellect ("mind" of "Satan" or "Satan's spirit") to have survived, which would not necessitate these beings having "abnormal" physical characteristics. (I read the geneology of Noah's daughters-in-law in a post by RangeRider many moons ago in which one of said daughters-in-law was shown to be a descendent of a fallen angel.) So, if in the DNA structure of the remaining people on earth (those in Noah's Arc) there still contained a portion of "Satan's spirit", then in the scheme of geneology, it would be posssible for that DNA structure to not only remain, but to eventually permeate a good majority of us humans. Now, in Noah, I believe God saved the human being that "came about" according to God's spiritual transgression, i.e., a human being whose bloodline is unscathed by "Satan's spirit" and that that bloodline continued through to Jesus' human mother. So in the world today, I believe it is possible that there are three spiritual configurations that a person can have: That of one's spirit (mind, intellect) soley of God, which I actually think is fairly rare; that of one's spririt (mind, intellect) soley of "Satan", which I actually think is fairly rare, also; and that in which one's spirit (mind, intellect) has a combination of both God and "Satan's spirit" (mind, intellect) in a ratio which then determines that person's leanings, which, according to the life experiences they have, can lean either way -- THIS is what I believe the majority of us humans possess. So then our spirits (consciences, that which makes our decisions) are contaminated, while our souls (consciousness, all that we have awareness about), remains unadulterated Gifts of God. What I believe aliens are, are people from the future who have been successful in saving their spirit (Power One or Slappy White's posts are replete with the whole "artificial inttelligence" theories which give me an explatation of how this could all come about), and these "future people" (aliens) have come back to this time in search of their souls (their connection to God) which they gave up in search of their own brand of "everlasting life". Should, as LSG (sorry, old habits die hard) has postulated, these aliens pop-in on CNN and tell of "life everlasting" in the form of retaining your mind (spirit) in the form of an alien, just remember, THE SPIRIT AND THE SOUL are NOT the same thing! These aliens may indeed "save your spirit" but it goes down at the expense of your SOUL'S SALVATION! As far as "demons" go, I believe those, as well as "visible angels" and ghosts, are the spirits of those people who have died and are awaiting Judgement Day. The manifestation of their spirit characteristics should give an indication of what God thinks of them in our "present" time, i.e., prior to Judgement Day. JMHO. God Bless.  |
