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Things hidden, What is Jesus talking about?

  Author:  160  Category:(Debate) Created:(1/30/2004 3:26:00 AM)
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Matthew 11:25.. At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes. 26 Yes, O Father, because to do thus came to be the way approved by you. 27 All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all YOU who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh YOU. 29 Take my yoke upon YOU and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and YOU will find refreshment for YOUR souls. 30 For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.”

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Date: 1/30/2004 3:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 52554    jesus is a confused man;.;CCC
Date: 1/30/2004 3:47:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Jesus wasn't confused, it is us that need help.  
Date: 1/30/2004 3:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 33925    What I get from this is if you open your heart and ASK then things will be revealed to you. You have to ask for guidance and help in order to receive it.  
Date: 1/30/2004 5:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 42792    And you are debating what???  
Date: 1/30/2004 5:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 32806    Hidden from the wise but children know it. Innocence? :)  
Date: 1/30/2004 5:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 36704    Jesus's message was clear and easy to understand, his yoke is light. In the new covenent the only things that matter are that you believe in him, and that you love your neighbor and treat people with respect.  
Date: 1/30/2004 5:56:00 AM  From Authorid: 20497    it seems that the innocent at heart are the ones who have eyes to see truths that others may be too *clouded* with problems to see or understand.  
Date: 1/30/2004 6:04:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    The religious leaders in Jesus' day added to the burden of the people. They argued the fine points of the law. When Jesus died he fullfilled the law. We are under a new commandment, to love our God with our whole heart and mind and strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves.  
Date: 1/30/2004 6:08:00 AM  From Authorid: 42792    That only proves that religion is a tool of convenience.  
Date: 1/30/2004 6:39:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Religion has been accused of worse than that but isn't it worth the effort to look into the scriptures to find out what it is that Jesus really wants us to know.  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 44960    From Matthew 11:28 thru 30, the words "YOU" and "YOURS" are in capital letters, why is this? Looks to me like USM has become someones personal pulpit.  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:21:00 AM  From Authorid: 10915    ^^^^ emphasis on the urgency of the message and to reach the hearts of those who are responsive?  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 12835    Well, I oughta be getting this. I'm no wise or intellectual one, but I sure am a babe....  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 12835    Ms. Priss. that's the beauty of USM. It is many things to many people. Every one on their own journey, without judgement. I love the diversity of the souls on USM.....  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:33:00 AM  From Authorid: 10915    Thanks for your thoughtful comments St. Pete. Which more people had your mindset.  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:33:00 AM  From Authorid: 10915    Meant wish. lol  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:53:00 AM  From Authorid: 12835    Note to self. Send Girlie a dollar.....I like her....  
Date: 1/30/2004 8:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 46091    The secret of life is in you since birth... answering questions with science take you further from the truth. That's what get... but I am not a Christian... though do greatly admire Jesus from a historical perspective.  
Date: 1/30/2004 8:11:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Peter!  
Date: 1/30/2004 8:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 10915    LOL!  
Date: 1/30/2004 8:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 54963    I think it sounds like he is saying . . The wise know all and therefore are used to that so they maybe stop opening their minds to new possibilities. But children beleive in magick and are able to see it in almost anything, and they are willing to open their hearts to many things with love and innocence.  
Date: 1/30/2004 8:57:00 AM  From Authorid: 54963    Oh. And I like what St. Pete said about liking the diversity of souls on USM. Now that is an open mind and heart my friend.  
Date: 1/30/2004 9:14:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    You hit the nail on the head, the wise do not open their hearts to the simlicity of matters, but the young embrace it. Thats why Jesus said that we should become as babes in order to get the sence of things. Thanks for your input.  
Date: 1/30/2004 10:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 12835    Sending a dollar to Violet too....  
Date: 1/30/2004 11:03:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    The thing is that we were all babes in Christ when we first came to Him and He tells us that by the comforter, the Holy Spirit of God that He will take of His and shew it unto us. We don't have to stay in a stalemate of learning as God is willing to show us all things, He tells us to study to shew ourself approved, rightly dividing the truth from error. The thing is God expects us to be as children or babes reguardless of how much we learn spiritually, to come to Him as little children and the reason he wants us to come to Him as little children is because little children are so trusting, and not doubting. If we trust in God in this manner, he will as babes give us those hidden things to share with mankind, as if he only revealed these things to babes that stayed babes, that what is the need for the prophet or ministers, teachers? When ever we THINK we know more than God, then we have gone to far, we are no longer babes that are learning. I know that I learn more everyday, as there is always something New in Gods word for us to gleam.  
Date: 1/30/2004 11:14:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Debbie, this is just an observation so please don't take offense. Jehovah wants us to make advancements as you stated but doesn't that also apply to the language that the bible is written in? You are using a version of the bible that uses words that were used hundreds of years ago and almost make no sence anymore. (shew) That sounds a little like baby talk if you think about it. Since there are no original manuscripts left, or none that any of us have access to, why wouldn't you use a version of the holy scriptures that make sence by using todays language, there are plenty of them out there I am sure.  
Date: 1/30/2004 2:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 27534    To find salvation in Christ is so easy that the intellectuals want to make it complex. It is like a mystery because it involves a matter of the heart and not the head.  
Date: 1/30/2004 2:47:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Thats my feeling as well. It is simple so simple that they reject it.  
Date: 1/30/2004 3:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 10915    I agree Wise. That is why God always go for the humble and meekable because the are teachable, where are the proud and intellectual already assume in their mind that they know more than God. So anything you try to say to them usually fall on deaf ears.  
Date: 1/30/2004 3:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 10915    Typos everyone? lol  
Date: 1/30/2004 7:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 62086    It means that we are to approach the word of God as a child, being innocent & humble. Sometimes intellects think they know so much, they miss the true meaning of God's word when read. The true wise person knows that in reality, they know nothing.
Date: 1/30/2004 10:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    LOL......Glad I returned St. Pete's Halo (the one I bought off of Ebay)  
Date: 1/30/2004 10:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 12133    Maybe he is saying that adults "KNOW" so much, but children are more receptive to what he has to say, without pre-conceived ideas.  
Date: 1/30/2004 10:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    The potential for slaughter and devastation always exists. But human intelligence, decency and compassion can prevent it from erupting. To me, that's a high and noble goal.  
Date: 1/31/2004 12:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    I'm sorry pammyjo, but there are manuscripts out there. tell me what do you do with the dead sea scrolls? they were written 1,000 or so years ago, or more YET so many things that are written in the king james version of the bible are written WORD FOR WORD, line up line, percept upon percept just as those scrolls that were found in the cave just in 1945, YET the bible, KJV was translated way before 1945. So yes, the bible has been taken care of so much that even the scrolls written before king james bible, are in agreement with it, as if written by the same hand. and whom can that hand be, could it be , OHHHHHHHHh GOD???  
Date: 1/31/2004 12:08:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    However pammy, I'm use to you telling me it makes no sense when in fact it does, but you cant understand it. BUT thats ok. God will lead you also into all truths  
Date: 1/31/2004 1:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 3125    Though I do not care for the version you posted this from at all, Jesus is saying that the world, because of their worldly wisdom and philosophies,etc refuse to hear Him. He is saying that those with a willing mind, those who are teachable, will seek Him and hear Him.  
Date: 1/31/2004 5:54:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Debbie and Barb, this is just for your information only but the other day we had a KJV of the scriptures and atthe front of the bible in the first few pages was the notation that the personal name of God was taken out of that version because they knew if they left it in, it would not sell. If you would like me to I will get the complete information on that particular versionor date that it was published. But out of curiosity does your say this?  
Date: 1/31/2004 9:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    no mine does not say that.  
Date: 2/1/2004 5:43:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    And to your comment Debbie, It isn't that I'm unable to understand it because I do understand it, But I reject it as truth. That's the difference.  
Date: 2/1/2004 5:51:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Hi, it's Pam's Granddaughter. Why do you think we are to be like little children? Because children are willing to learn. They realize that they don't know everything, but they humble themselves in order to get the sence of what is said. Children don't understand the complexities of the scriptures, and that is why he said,"the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes. "...Ysatis...  
Date: 2/1/2004 7:03:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Barb, when you say that Jesus was talking about the world and it's philosophies I have to agree with you, but as with everything else in life, there are stages that we develop. So while what you said is right as to the general world it goes even deeper than that. And a person keeps making advancements until he reaches his goals, in this case spiritual goals. The truth is what we should all be seeking, because our lives depend on it pure and simple. A few years back there was a movie called THEM, (I hope my memory serves me right). It was about common people that while unknowingly were being controlled by alien beings. A certain man found a pair of special glasses and when he put them on he was amazed at what was really there, Where billboards said one thing to the naked eye it said something entirely different in reality, Cops, restaurant workers, politicians, etc... that looked like normal people were in fact aliens. The movie was stupid but the point that it made left an impact on me. People don't know that they are blinded until they put those special glasses on. The scriptures say that Satan keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. And there is a veil over the eyes of the unbelievers. They cannot see no matter how they struggle until their heart conditions change and they humble themselves like the babes that Jesus spoke about. From what I have learned of the scriptures there are no gray areas, no mysteries, no vague and unsolved questions, it all makes sence. Thats why Jesus said that these things were hidden from the wise and intellectual ones. They sound like they know what they are talking about, it sounds good, like the churches in Christendom look on the outside beautiful and grand! but the inside is like dead mens bones. I would imagine this is why Jesus was disqusted with the religious leaders of his day. They would stand on the street corners and make themselves out to be something they were not. He told them blatantly that they were from their Ftaher the devil. They made traditions that were a burden to the common people, thats why the scriptures say to quit being fashioned after this system of things, to make your minds over to do the will of God. It takes so much work to find the hidden treasures in the scriptures but my God, they are so well worth the effort.  
Date: 2/1/2004 7:06:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Debbie, I wanted to ask you a question before I have to leave. I am not afraid to pick up any literature that Christendom produces but it seems to me that you refuse to read any of the publications that the Society publishes. I am wondering why, do you not have enough faith in your god to protect you from false teachings? What are you afraid of?  
Date: 2/1/2004 9:51:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    Pammy I have read lots of them, and when compared, I find them wanting, lacking and down right wrong.  
Date: 2/1/2004 9:53:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    Oh and by the way, in this one you did give chapter and verse, but in many of your posts, you just have some numbers and not all of the numbers are in order, so could you please do as you have done in this post, give chapter and verse and when it changes to another chapter or verse instead of added them all together as if its ONE long chapter and verse, give us the chapters and verse as it will help in the long run.  
Date: 2/1/2004 12:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    PamyJo, We are to put aside all evil, and be inwardly converted and free self of a desire to serve self. We are to love God with our entire being, to adore and praise Him in all things. Our souls should cry out, My God, How Great thou are!! We are to seek His truth, and cry out to Him for wisdom and understanding of His Word. We are to seek Him as if our life depends upon Him, because it does. God gives His way to anyone who seeks His way. He will lead those who seek Him and only Him. We are to understand that His way is life and truth and without it, there is no hope, no true happiness and peace. Without God, there is nothing worthwhile.  
Date: 2/1/2004 12:03:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    good enough.  
Date: 2/1/2004 8:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 40089    It's not ( hidden ) if you have eyes to see and ears to hear . God Bless  
Date: 2/1/2004 9:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Steelbird, it is not hidden, again human compassion, human decency, and human compassion cover just about every religion and the message of Jesus Christ. It's pretty simple, when one follows the inner truth. How right you are!  
Date: 4/25/2008 12:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 44960    Comment #50!! Just Couldn't Resist!! :) *Spirit*  
Date: 4/25/2008 12:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    I miss St.Pete. A LOT!  
Date: 4/25/2008 1:08:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    What prompted the two of you to show up after 4+ years?  
Date: 4/25/2008 1:08:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    What prompted the two of you to show up after 4+ years?  
Date: 4/25/2008 1:10:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    sorry I stuttered.  
Date: 4/25/2008 1:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    Well, my Sis, Miss Priss grabbed the 50th Comment which popped this to the top of the page (rec'ntly replied to), and I was reading the comments and saw Pete's name and realized how much I miss him. So, how are you doing PamyJo?  

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