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Could this be a problem in the middle east?

  Author:  160  Category:(Debate) Created:(1/30/2004 11:38:00 AM)
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16 Now Sar´ai, A´bram’s wife, had borne him no children; but she had an Egyptian maidservant and her name was Ha´gar. 2 Hence Sar´ai said to A´bram: “Please now! Jehovah has shut me off from bearing children. Please, have relations with my maidservant. Perhaps I may get children from her.” So A´bram listened to the voice of Sar´ai. 3 Then Sar´ai, A´bram’s wife, took Ha´gar, her Egyptian maidservant, at the end of ten years of A´bram’s dwelling in the land of Ca´naan, and gave her to A´bram her husband as his wife. 4 Accordingly he had relations with Ha´gar, and she became pregnant. When she became aware that she was pregnant, then her mistress began to be despised in her eyes.

5 At this Sar´ai said to A´bram: “The violence done me be upon you. I myself gave my maidservant over to your bosom, and she became aware that she was pregnant, and I began to be despised in her eyes. May Jehovah judge between me and you.” 6 So A´bram said to Sar´ai: “Look! Your maidservant is at your disposal. Do to her what is good in your eyes.” Then Sar´ai began to humiliate her so that she ran away from her.

7 Later Jehovah’s angel found her at a fountain of waters in the wilderness, at the fountain on the way to Shur. 8 And he began to say: “Ha´gar, maidservant of Sar´ai, just where have you come from and where are you going?” To this she said: “Why, from Sar´ai my mistress I am running away.” 9 And Jehovah’s angel went on to say to her: “Return to your mistress and humble yourself under her hand.” 10 Then Jehovah’s angel said to her: “I shall greatly multiply your seed, so that it will not be numbered for multitude.” 11 Further Jehovah’s angel added to her: “Here you are pregnant, and you shall give birth to a son and must call his name Ish´ma·el;

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Date: 1/30/2004 1:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 27534    Yep...that is considered the beginning.  
Date: 1/30/2004 2:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 62060    What's the debate here?  
Date: 1/30/2004 6:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    No! Islam and Judaism are closely related, more closely in fact than Chrisitianity. They circumsize their male children and they don't eat pork and they pray only to God, not lesser deities. Abraham committed adultery, but then this all happened before the arrival 800 years later of the 10 commandments. Ishmael's progeny, Mohammed (hundreds of years later) got the Koran from Allah and hence the inception of Islam.  
Date: 1/30/2004 6:32:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 160    Right but don't they believe they are the rightful heirs to Abraham.  
Date: 1/30/2004 8:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    Yes, and in a way they would be correct because Abraham fathered Ishmael. Christianity being an offshoot of Judaism, as you know, also claim Abraham as their own. As to adultery, in those days men could take more than one wife and often did. I got this information from a Jewish friend of mine as I'm not really learned on these matters.  
Date: 1/30/2004 10:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    No, the problem in the Middle East (and elsewhere) is intolerance. More specifically, intolerance & hate the some people mask behind a religious commandment(s), as some intrepret sacred text(s).  
Date: 1/30/2004 10:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Many scholars have observed that millions of Muslims are resentful because their once glorious culture stagnated and is brushed off as third-rate by Westerners.

Perhaps the worst affront to the Islamic world occurred after World War II, when Western powers gave Jews a homeland in part of Muslim Palestine. Hate and killing over Israel have
ensued ever since.
  
Date: 1/30/2004 10:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    that is true Brenda. I know for myself, for YEARS, I supported Jewish Israel, citing military reasons. But I also quoted (and felt in my heart) religious reasons. Maybe that is part of the religious intolerance I was alluding to.  
Date: 2/1/2004 3:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    Intolerance/hate is not the problem, its only a symptom. the real problem is poverty, and the exploitation of these countries that causes it.  

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