Date: 4/5/2004 1:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
This was also the same year the first computer video game(spacewar)was invented. Between breast implants, and video games, I think we have found where society went horribly wrong.  |
Date: 4/5/2004 1:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 62249
What about the scum of the earth, big corporations? - MC Bacon  |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Nah, those were around before 1962, which is when fundies say it all fell apart. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Big corporations were around in the 1950's when America was the land of milk and honney, when all American's live in a utopian society where there were no drugs, abuse, murder, or any of the other things that the removal of school sanctioned prayer invented, or in this case, breast implants and video games invented. |
Date: 4/5/2004 1:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
I think you're crazy and have got to be kidding:p  |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Hey, if not making kids pray in school can cause all of that stuff, why couldn't these things? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Sorry, can't delete in debates. It's ok, I have done that plenty of times. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
Sounds to me you are trying to blame ANYTHING else that happened around that time just because you might not believe in God/Higher Power/religion. Why is it so impossible to believe that maybe removing God from school institutions COULD have very well caused a decline in the daily instillment of morals? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Nobody removed God from anything. All the law said was that the school couldn't tell the kids when to pray. Perriod. Plain and simple. Now, how can this POSSIBLY be the cause of all of these problems? And how does it hold any more water than my explenation? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
Okay since I guess you are serious, just how do you think the moral decline is connected to breast implants? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Foir this to be true, you have to believe a number of things. One; Christian chidren are incapable or remaining moral humans without the school telling them when to pray. Two: Non-christians are by deffinition immoral people, and were kept in line strictly by teachers telling them to pray. Three: That all prayer came to an immediate hal when schools could no longer tell kids when and how to pray. And four: The schools sanction of prayer was removed, and children were no longer allowed, nor capable of praying to themselves. Now does this sound true? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
It was no more related to breast implants than it was to school prayer. That is the point. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
WOW! Excuse the spelling there. Went a little too fast. Hehehe. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
Please, you can't even TALK about God in schools these days. The reason why I personally feel we were better off WITH prayer in school is because you are on a daily basis being instilled with good morals and a good message. Some of these kids don't have that at home, they could at least get as much good as they could at school. Just what is so wrong and terrible about instilling good values and morals on a daily basis? What harm did it do? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Really, there is a god gestapo at schools? You get kicked out for saying God? Never heard of that. And you believe it is the schools job to instill morals in our children? What if the teacher is a satanist, you want them instilling their values and moral upon your children? What harm would it do? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Morality requires religion? Like I said, to believe that you have to believe that morality cannot exist without religion. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
At my High School there was even a Christian Athletes club. Since it was not sanctioned by the school, and sponsored by teachers on their own time,no problem. |
Date: 4/5/2004 1:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 57579
Personally, I'm glad they took prayer out of school because I've never had a religion and I see it from a different point of view than those with it. I feel like religion is being pushed on me when I'm at school and they talk about god. People feel sorry for being religionless. They have no reason to.  |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
Yes, apparently there is a gestapo in schools and in daycares, too. Do you have any children in school? I do, that's how I know. I don't know how the state you live in operates, but here in Illinois, that's how it goes. I've heard some students in high school and college are allowed to pray on school grounds, but in their own time (lunch or before school starts I guess). |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
And no, I don't believe it's the school's job to instill morals, it should start at home, but why should it stop there? Why should it not be extended at school, too? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Legally kids are allowed to pray on school grounds whenever they like. Any school that says otherwise is commiting a crime. And yes, I have children in public schools, and have yet to see that happen. Now, would you mid responding to my previous statements. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Like I said, doy you believe moral REQUIRE religion, and do you want a satanist instilling THEIR values in YOUR children? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 1:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Man, I gotta slow down, the typos are getting out of hand. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
If my kid's teacher was a Satanist, Muslim, what-have-you and instilled GOOD morals & values, why would I have a problem with it? I wouldn't. I never said morality couldn't exist without religion. Not everyone who isn't religious/Christian is evil or immoral and not everyone who is religious/Christian good and moral. I AM saying I see nothing wrong with instilling the good values and lessons you will find and learn in the Bible, do you? |
Date: 4/5/2004 2:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 62632
"...And have been known to distract young men away from what is important." No offence, but since when have men NOT been distracted by breats? =s -CW-
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 62632
breasts^ :P |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
But what do you determine as "good" morals. Who decides which ones are good and which are bad? The teacher? Their values may include ritual animal scrifice and mutilation as an acceptable behavior? Or would it be right for a teacher to attempt to instill the moral lesson that homosexuals are wicked, and unnatural, when that is not what I have taught my kids? And the moral lessons you will find in the Bible, like"thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" or maybe that you should not worship any God other than that of the Christian faith, does that sound like something a budhist parent wants a teacher instilling in their child? Are these the moral lessons that you speak of. And if morality and religion CAN be seperated, why can morality not be instilled without school sanctioned prayer? Why would removing school sanctioned prayer cause a decline in society? |
Date: 4/5/2004 2:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 27583
i believe that with age even the breast implants will fall down.  |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
I believe all what the Bible teaches and prohibits, and the reasoning behind it. What is "good" is what should be apparent to most, that doesn't harm nor worsen, but improves and heals. And that about not allowing witches to live, stoning, all that, that is no longer applicable. Jesus has redeemed all of us from our sins, but that's a whole other issue. |
Date: 4/5/2004 2:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
I think that blaming a piece of silicone is the greatest lack of an intrinsic focus of control that I've heard yet. Translation: Your beliefs are just as irresponsible as those of fat kids who sue McDonald's.  |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Oh, ok, so you son't just want morrality in the classroom, you want Christianity. As long as what they teach is what is in the bible, regardless of those who are of other faiths? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Jay, so it makes more sense to say that because teachers dont tell kids when to pray, all of these problems were created? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
Did I say that? Don't lump my words with someone else's to construct a counter for your argument. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Jay, that is the entire topic of the debate. I am not lumping you with anything. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
The reason why I am bringing up Christianity, is because the school prayers/religion that was taken out of the school systems was Christianity, was it not??? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
(See jay, I wasn't serious that that could possibly be the cause for the so-called downfall. Ummm... that was kind of the point, that it was foolish to believe implants could cause such a thing.) |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Um, no. School sanctioned prayer was removed. |
Date: 4/5/2004 2:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Not Christianity.
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
But it was CHRISTIAN prayer, CHRISTIAN teachings from the CHRISTIAN Bible that was taught and removed. |
Date: 4/5/2004 2:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
People are the downfall of America, the world. Especially people who are closed minded and cannot open their minds to accept the ideas of others.  |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
So other religions are now in charge of the schools, and practice freely, and childrenare instructed to practice these OTHER faiths, while Christianity is the one singular religion that was shut out of the school entierly by this legislation? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Or was it that Christianity is now on the same level with all of the other religions? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
Yes, Christianity is on the same level of all others. No religion is greater then the next. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
So it is ok to tout CHristianity in the classroom, and instill the values of that faith in the children of a classroom regardless of if the children in the room are of another faith or not, right Chi-Girl? |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
I think their point is, ALL religion was basically kicked out of school-sanctioned time, Christianity happened to be the majority of that getting evicted. |
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Date: 4/5/2004 2:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Yes it did Jay, but people seem to act as if this is somehow unfair, and that christianity deserved it's higher regard, and without such, our nation has fallen into chaos. I am just trying to get to the root of this logic, if there is one. |
Date: 4/5/2004 2:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 29387
The only thing that breast implants caused was an "uprising" in society, if you what I'm saying.  |
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Date: 4/5/2004 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
The root of the downfall of this man-made society, is man himself. |
Date: 4/5/2004 5:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 13283
Dow is evil for inventing breast implants . I am glad they went bankrupt . Many women got sick from them and eventually got a huge cash settlement . I laugh at people who think that prayer in school is wrong . They are the same people wondering why society has gone downhill . All they need to do is look in the mirror . Razzy aka  |
Date: 4/5/2004 5:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
The continued assault on morals, the lack of responsibility, the media and entertainment industry, social welfare, disappearing work ethic, government entitlements and victim mentality. All these things have eroded or quality of life and personal values. I'm sure outlawing school prayer And fake breasts are partially to blame. The real culprit is looking at us in the mirror.  |
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Date: 4/6/2004 12:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 62483
If you want your kids to pray in school, send them to catholic school! Not a regular public school with kids of all religious backrounds. Religious people look for any opportunity to sneak up on you and impose their beliefs onto people who don't want them-including children. They also jump at blaming people of other beliefs for all the worlds problems. |
Date: 4/6/2004 7:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 59163
i blame mirrors. and still bodies of water.  |
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Date: 4/6/2004 7:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 61897
I never said that, I DID say, there is nothing wrong with teaching and instilling good values and morals in the school. |
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Date: 4/6/2004 10:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Everything you say Chi, will be used against you. |
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Date: 4/6/2004 10:57:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Chi, no, you never said that, but it was implied. You keep saying good values, and you keep relating them to your faith. You still refuse to comment on the so called "good values" that your faith embraces, that would work in direct contrast to families of other faiths and beliefs. You just say good values, but never elaborate on what those values are that you want taught to ALL children in the classroom, or why you feel that the removal of prayer from the classroom would have any adverse effect. |
Date: 4/6/2004 11:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
My thoughts on religion are as follows - the majority of religions believe in an afterlife, and that non-believers of their specific religion will be sent to hell/hades/etc. Since it is theoretically impossible to believe in all religions at the same time, we are all going to end up in hell/hades/etc. Ergo, we are all doomed, fake breasts or not.  |
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Date: 4/6/2004 11:45:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Yeah BCAR, it is called being wrong. |
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Date: 4/6/2004 11:45:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
And if she can prove what she says, then I will gladly admit it. |
Date: 4/6/2004 11:46:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
That is what happens in a debate. Get it?
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Date: 4/6/2004 11:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
LOL! |
Date: 4/6/2004 2:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 62146
I think plastic surgury should only be used when you really need it. I read an artical in a magazine about a girl who had a nose job but she had no other choice her nose had some dissorder and would always bleed so the nose job corected it. But I have heard stuff like they just get plastic surgeury and breast inplants when they are abbsolutly fine no medical probblems or anything they just do it for image. if a girl has only one break or none cause she lost them due to breast cancer or somthing she might get implants to get them back that what alot of people do. I don't think people should turn to implants and plastic surgury to make them selves feel better cause happyness come from with not from image. keep in mind some people are born without jaws and stuff so they probbly want plastic surgury to get them back. if a girl has both breasts and just want to become another pamala anderson clone I do not praise it. but althoug with body image and stuff breast implants and plastic surgury causes probblems. I don't think it cause drug STD's and stuff nither dose the removel of sanctioned pray in schools. breat implants and relgion or lack of relgion dose not cause these probblems. low self estam anger hate. los grade lead to low grades these probblems lead to the other you could start of taking drugs that could lead to low grades and visa versa. and simply teenagers looking thril brings these things in socity.  |
Date: 4/6/2004 3:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
personally, I think that breast implants are the cause of the rising up of America. but I'm gonna get myself into trouble here :) Seriously, if you're gonna swallow this argument, or any argument like it, first you gotta buy the presupposition-- that America is in a downfall. I don't. Yeah, they've predicting doom and gloom for hundreds of years now-- "the end is coming! this newfangled...whatever...automobile, knee-high skirt, rock and roll music...is leading to the moral decay of our society." And, whatdaya know, life goes on despite the change. Yes, things are different then they used to be, because change is always happenning. That's life. I don't see that our society is in crisis-- we're more populated than we used to be, but we've still got some room to grow (if you ask me, that will be the first crisis-- a depletion of resources due to overpopulation and overconsumption), and the world's a little more high tech, but, I actually think that we're actually in the midst of a RELIGIOUS REVIVAL, if anything. Has anyone else noticed such a trend?  |
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Date: 4/6/2004 5:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
I have noticed it too Molly, and you are right. The end has been predicted to happen any time now ever since man concieved of the end coming at all. The apostles thought it would come in their lifetime. As did their children, and it continues today in a vast array of culters. THe fact is people thought the Charleston would be the end. Crazy kids and their Benny Goodman. The fact is things have changed, and here we are. A depletion of resources is a threat, but the truth is that populations have actually slowed, and even lessened in the industrialised world. Overpopulation is an issue of the third world, and one not to be ignored. |
Date: 4/7/2004 9:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
I see both breast implants and the removal of prayer from public schools as one and the same, i.e., anti-God. For someone who actually grew up in the era we are speaking about, I was not told to "pray" at a specific time, but we were given a minute of reflection. I don't care what it was called, the point is people are going to do what they are going to do regardless of being told to pray or reflect or pick their nose. For the life of me, I dont understand why some people HAVE TO BE TOLD what to do every single minute of their day, by a school, by a government, by a "star". Which leads me to breast implants: To make it possible to in effect say, "Gosh, God, I don't like the way you made me, I'm going to make myself something else," is an attitude, perhaps borne of breast implants, that has permeated our society (which I have witnessed firsthand having, once again, been raised during this era we are speaking about) that gives rise to ME, ME, ME, vs. a united bond of commonality (meaning, we're all just people -- Period). God Bless.  |
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Date: 4/7/2004 10:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
That was probobly the best yet! Hehehe... you all do understand I was not serious about the implants, right? And Deb, arent you the one that argued with me when I said that altering your appearance was showing dissaproval with Gods creation? " is an attitude, perhaps borne of breast implants, that has permeated our society" Sweety, I hate to tell you, it has been going on since loooooong befor the sixties. Now, for the real topic. Are you saying that taking away the schools right to tell kids when and how to pray was a detrament to our society? But once again, you give no logical explination for how this may create the issues that are commonly blamed on a lack of prayer. You have A:School sanctioned prayer removed and C: Bad things happen in society, but you are missin B: The connection between the two. |
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Date: 4/7/2004 11:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Selective reading again, Phydeaux. Why don't you go look up what that previous discussion was? What I said previously was that I ADMITTED to coloring my hair and shaving my legs occasionally. I never argued that it was all right to mess with God's Creation, I said I have no problem ADMITTING that I have and do on occasion. It is never all right, in my book, not to ADMIT to THE TRUTH. And the TRUTH in this issue is that God Has Already Preordained for the "A" to lead to the "C". At this point in time, all I can say is, "Hasten it on, God!" (Oh, and BTW, is there anything I can do to help;) God Bless. |
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Date: 4/7/2004 11:20:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
So your answer is because God said so. Ok, run right up to the sebnate with that one. The fact is, even if it was ordained by God, we should still be able to see B, right between A, and C. But I guess there is no logic in that huh? |
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Date: 4/7/2004 12:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Uh, honey, I DO SEE "B". Perhaps you don't see it because you're hiding it in the senate;) God Bless. |
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Date: 4/7/2004 12:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Alot of people see things, that does not mean they are there. |
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Date: 4/7/2004 1:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
And the converse it true, too, isn't it? A lot of people don't see what is right in front of them. God Bless. |
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Date: 4/7/2004 1:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
What, an invisible deity? Forgive me if I am blind to the invisible/intangible, but now you are getting into discussion of philosophy/theology/faith, which I am afraid is not the topic of this debate. |
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Date: 4/7/2004 4:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Or many their big breasts get in the way;) There, that was on topic. God Bless. |
Date: 4/9/2004 12:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 26452
Wow, this was a very interesting debate(after reading all the comments lol) My mother told me once that Freedom OF Religion also means Freedom FROM it too. If you wanna pray good for you, but forcing someone to pray is wrong. I think religion should be out of schools, it just tends to cause trouble, theres way too many beliefs to make EVERYONE happy. But I also think that society its self is the reason its falling.  |
Date: 4/12/2004 7:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 61941
What has cause the destruction of all pre-stated things, can be summed up in one word, Laziness. Americans has become lazy, only willing to benefit themselves, with disregard to everyone. They rely soley on material possesions and technology to make it through the day. As a whole they lack discipline. If you think, I'm wrong then say so, if not good, cause I know I'm right.  |
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Date: 4/12/2004 7:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 61941
(ADD ON) Everbody so ready to point the finger at everyone else. Americans need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. And the morals, discipline, and respect has nothing to do with the schools, that is for the parents to do at home. |
